First, one small note...Only 1/3 current/last-generation consoles can do HD resolutions (and only in a few games): Xbox. The other two can, in theory, output 480p but both require a particular console revision (for Gamecube the oldest units and for PS2 the newest) to do so, and 480p isn't defined as an HDTV resolution.
I don't know where you got your info but all PS2's can do 1080i.for games, notably Gran Turismo 4. Now if it's progressive scan for DVD playback that's different, 50001 series and later. PS2's can also do VGA. Here's some output from a PS2 LInux kits/etc/X11/XGSConfg
PS2 $299 (bought in March of 2001) Memory Card: $29 (sometime in 2001 early 2002) Linux Kit: $200 (pre ordered in 2002 received in May of that year)
Responding to a Slashdot post with the kit....
Priceless
I consider the money well spent, considering how much use I got out of the PS2, even pre kit, and how much use after.
in 2001/2002 an entry level PC cost at least as much as my total, if not a few hundred more. And such an entry level PC would not have been as good a game machine as the PS2 is/was.
The only issue with my 'bargain hunt' gaming system is that I sometimes buy too many bargain games that I don't have time to play.
Yes, me too. Too many games, not enough time. I want Dragon Quest VIII but I know better than to buy it new since odds are that even if I buy it cheap I won't have the time to play through it.
You hear the call of the RNG. The Devteam wields Nethack Source Code. The Devteam hits. You feel a sense of loss and remember fun times past. Your attack misses the Devteam, but rebounds upon you. TDTTOE You have died. DYWYPI?
Oh yes, the former confederacy, where because they industrialized late, the robber barons (spiritual successors to the plantation owners) were able to write labor law to favor themselves.
It's not "Right to Work" it's "Right to fire" or "Keep them yankee unions out"
Have you tried to run free software on a video game console without making modifications that are illegal in at least one major developed country?
As a matter of fact, I have run free software on a video game console without making any modifications to that console, other than installing the hard drive, and network adapter. Admittedly it's done under a Run Time Environment, but no physical modifications were required.
3rd-person shooters/action/platform, I can do with dual-stick controllers.
oh yes, even if the game also has first person modes like SOCOM or Star Wars Battlefront.
1st-person shooters, however, suck large, hairy donkey balls on consoles.
I disagree, if they're designed for the console the sticks work fine, it's the ports that have trouble. I use a hybrid control with the PC ports analog joypad in the left hand ( I detest WASD) and mouse in the right.
I
cannot understand how anybody can manage twitch-fests with dual analog stick controls, where one controls movement and the other controls looking around, while you're trying desperately to keep your fingers on the right buttons to do umpteen things all at once in the middle of an onslaught of enemies.
It's easy, once you learn how. You're not using the face buttons often, mostly the shoulder buttons.
but ultimately the frustration of trying to use an oversensitive analog stick to do something that requires precision -- aiming -- made me quickly give up the game in frustration, just like most console shooter games. The precision of the mouse for aiming just can't be beat. And yep, I know bazillions of console fanboys will jump on me and tell me I'm wrong, how aiming with the analog stick is just as good (or better) than the mouse, etc. I just don't see it. You people must have robot implants that give you superhuman precision or something.
No serious offense intended, and I'm not really being serious but:
PC gamers are so ham fisted.
I think perhaps in part, you became used to the old style PC joysticks and making larger movements that your thumb muscles are simply not trained to do the small precise movements an analog thumbstick requires.
In other words, you need more practice.
That said, FPS"s designed for the console, say Timesplitters play better with the sticks than ported PC FPS's do.
(your friendly robotic implant enhanced console playing overlord)
As I replied to another poster, your PC plays games but the x86 architecture isn't optimized and designed for it. It's a brute force inelegant kludge. It works, just not very well.
People buy specialized hardware for various other purposes so why not games.
But until such time as people can get the SAME functions and values out of both consoles and PC so that both are on a more level playing field (no pun intended), comparing dollars between the two is blindy arrogant and worst and ludicrous at best!
That time is getting closer. I've been of the firm opinion for some time now that most peoples computing needs could be met by a "souped up" game console. That's what the Commodore 64 and Amiga's essentially were
Imagine, say, a Playstation 3 "Live" Linux distro.(SCE actually had a test "Live" disc for the PS2)or perhaps more likely LInux installed on the HD.
And you know what, if people didn't game on PC's it would probably make Microsfot/Dell/Gateway happy, due to reduced support costs from all those people who call them with: "I just bought this game and it doesn't work" issues. They've said that a goodly portion of their support costs are game related.
Unfortunately, saying anything not 100% positive towards consoles has a tendency to bring out the venom in a lot of Slashdotters, which is why I normally drift away from console/PC transition stories.
I'll try to keep the venom to a minimum.
However, in my opinion (which I know will be taken totally the wrong way by console fan-boys) a console is just a console. Yes, I know, that's what it's meant to be. But my PC is far, far more than just a gaming machine, which is why I prefer to dump my geek cash into that.
Yes a console is just a console, most of the time. There are exceptions, like the Playstation 2 Linux kit, which I have. So my console is more than just a gaming machine.:-)
I see it this way, a computer can play games, yes, but it's base architecture not specifically designed and optimized to do so. It does so with kludgy brute force, which works...mostly. My PS2 is a far better gaming device than my computer is.. The experience for me, is just so much better on the console.
Either you're talking out of an orifice that isn't meant to engage in speech, or you have a really low level of tolerance. I He's not talking out of his ass. I've experienced enough annoyances to turn me off of gaming on a PC I want it to just work, without hassles, and with good user experience.
Mazes and Monsters was based on your story? Hmm Rona Jaffe's book was inspired by William Dear's book so that means you're James Dallas Egbert back from the dead.
SOCOM II RPG Maker 3 Resident Evil: Outbreak (both games in the series) ESPN NFL 2K5 ESPN NHL 2K5
But yes, NTSC U/C and EU territories got stiffed on the HD. I own several games that had HD support in the original Japanese releases which was removed for the US releases. And we didn't get the BBN either. SCEA was just to cautious
Say instead that he is a "Church Republican" or "Dixiecrat" to separate him from the run of the mill "Wallet Republican' or "Country Club Republican" or "Plutocrat"
Socio-culturally (and politically these days) the Rocky Mountain states are part of the south due to immigration patterns after the Civil War. That would include Utah but their theocratic tendencies make it a little worse.
Goddess save me from Libertarian Randite entrepreneurs who can't admit they're really plutocrats in love with their own wallets.
I'm against public funding of education entirely,
And where did you go to school at? You've got yours so who cares about anyone else as long as there's more money in your wallet?
In 1980, the household tax burden was under 30% of total income to government at every level. In 2005, the household tax burden is over 50% of total income to goverment at every level.
You know why? Because the share of taxes paid by business went down, thanks to selfish Me First Libertarians and Country Club Republicans
These are subjects that should come from family-paid higher education or the home, not from teachers.
So every family is supposed to have their own teacher? Wouldn't it be smarter for a bunch of families and say people interested in having an educated society to pool together their resources and have a bunch of teachers in one place, say a school? We could call the pooled resources...taxes.
Oh good, create a permanent upper class. As if it isn't bad enough already. Put your idea in place and only wealthy kids will learn music, foreign languages, advanced math, and only wealthy kids will go to college.
By the way, parents are funding the "rest" it's called taxes.
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Maybe Sony's opinion is that:
"IDE, we don't need no steenking IDE. Vi and GCC are all the IDE we need."
There's plenty of info out there on Cell:
http://www.research.ibm.com/cell/
IBM's running Linux on the thing already
Lan on consoles? Mostly FPS's and some other stuff. GT4 for example. It's a bit more common now.
I don't know where you got your info but all PS2's can do 1080i.for games, notably Gran Turismo 4. Now if it's progressive scan for DVD playback that's different, 50001 series and later. PS2's can also do VGA. Here's some output from a PS2 LInux kits
Also as far as I know, all Gamecubes can do 720p
Diablo is real time, not turn based so can't be a rip off. It has some roguelike ancestry, but games like Gauntlet are also in it's pedigree.
PS2 $299 (bought in March of 2001)
Memory Card: $29 (sometime in 2001 early 2002)
Linux Kit: $200 (pre ordered in 2002 received in May of that year)
Responding to a Slashdot post with the kit....
Priceless
I consider the money well spent, considering how much use I got out of the PS2, even pre kit, and how much use after.
in 2001/2002 an entry level PC cost at least as much as my total, if not a few hundred more. And such an entry level PC would not have been as good a game machine as the PS2 is/was.
Yes, me too. Too many games, not enough time. I want Dragon Quest VIII but I know better than to buy it new since odds are that even if I buy it cheap I won't have the time to play through it.
Are you sure?
You hear the call of the RNG.
The Devteam wields Nethack Source Code.
The Devteam hits.
You feel a sense of loss and remember fun times past.
Your attack misses the Devteam, but rebounds upon you.
TDTTOE
You have died.
DYWYPI?
Oh yes, the former confederacy, where because they industrialized late, the robber barons (spiritual successors to the plantation owners) were able to write labor law to favor themselves.
It's not "Right to Work" it's "Right to fire" or "Keep them yankee unions out"
As a matter of fact, I have run free software on a video game console without making any modifications to that console, other than installing the hard drive, and network adapter. Admittedly it's done under a Run Time Environment, but no physical modifications were required.
I'm use a console to read Slashdot., you insensitive clod :-)
Truly.
oh yes, even if the game also has first person modes like SOCOM or Star Wars Battlefront.
I disagree, if they're designed for the console the sticks work fine, it's the ports that have trouble. I use a hybrid control with the PC ports analog joypad in the left hand ( I detest WASD) and mouse in the right.
I
It's easy, once you learn how. You're not using the face buttons often, mostly the shoulder buttons.
As I replied to another poster, your PC plays games but the x86 architecture isn't optimized and designed for it. It's a brute force inelegant kludge. It works, just not very well.
People buy specialized hardware for various other purposes so why not games.
That time is getting closer. I've been of the firm opinion for some time now that most peoples computing needs could be met by a "souped up" game console. That's what the Commodore 64 and Amiga's essentially were
Imagine, say, a Playstation 3 "Live" Linux distro.(SCE actually had a test "Live" disc for the PS2)or perhaps more likely LInux installed on the HD.
And you know what, if people didn't game on PC's it would probably make Microsfot/Dell/Gateway happy, due to reduced support costs from all those people who call them with: "I just bought this game and it doesn't work" issues. They've said that a goodly portion of their support costs are game related.
I'll try to keep the venom to a minimum.
Yes a console is just a console, most of the time. There are exceptions, like the Playstation 2 Linux kit, which I have. So my console is more than just a gaming machine.
I see it this way, a computer can play games, yes, but it's base architecture not specifically designed and optimized to do so. It does so with kludgy brute force, which works...mostly. My PS2 is a far better gaming device than my computer is.. The experience for me, is just so much better on the console.
Mazes and Monsters was based on your story? Hmm Rona Jaffe's book was inspired by William Dear's book so that means you're James Dallas Egbert back from the dead.
Nice try.
Yes, I like it, can't play FFXI or run Linux on my PS2's without it
I don't know anything about backups or game cloning.
There's a few more besides FFXI:
SOCOM II
RPG Maker 3
Resident Evil: Outbreak (both games in the series)
ESPN NFL 2K5
ESPN NHL 2K5
But yes, NTSC U/C and EU territories got stiffed on the HD. I own several games that had HD support in the original Japanese releases which was removed for the US releases. And we didn't get the BBN either. SCEA was just to cautious
And we're STILL fighting the Civil War, just without guns.
Say instead that he is a "Church Republican" or "Dixiecrat" to separate him from the run of the mill "Wallet Republican' or "Country Club Republican" or "Plutocrat"
Socio-culturally (and politically these days) the Rocky Mountain states are part of the south due to immigration patterns after the Civil War. That would include Utah but their theocratic tendencies make it a little worse.
Oh good, create a permanent upper class. As if it isn't bad enough already. Put your idea in place and only wealthy kids will learn music, foreign languages, advanced math, and only wealthy kids will go to college.
By the way, parents are funding the "rest" it's called taxes.
No, it isn't in one very specific way. It doesn't have a expansion bay for the HD.
Me too, I have 3, all with HD's installed.