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Texas Politician Wants Violent Games Tax

Gamepolitics reports that a candidate for the Governor of Texas would pass a violent games tax if elected. From the article: "The Amarillo Globe News is reporting that Republican gubernatorial candidate Star Locke wants to scrap Texas' current property tax system. Instead, Locke would institute new taxes on abortion providers, soft drinks, and violent video games to fund the state's government. Locke, a rancher and builder from Corpus Christi, favors a 50% tax on violent games, as well as a $10,000 tax per abortion and a 10% levy on sweetened soft drinks."

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  1. So let me get this straight....... by wckdjugallo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If he was elected he would get rid of a tax he has to pay. And replace it with taxes he won't pay since they would be taxing services he obviously doesn't use? How is that fair?

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    1. Re:So let me get this straight....... by RailGunner · · Score: 3, Informative
      Star Locke doesn't have a snowball chance in hell of winning the Texas Governor position. It's going to be between the incumbent, Rick Perry, and another Republican challenger, Carole Keeton Strayhorn.

      Star Locke, Kinky Friedman, and a few others, are just dry-roasted nuts that aren't worth paying much attention too.

    2. Re:So let me get this straight....... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I won't be going to Texas any time soon I guess...

      I wonder what "violent" video game developers based out of that state, like Id, think?

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    3. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      "Star Locke, Kinky Friedman, and a few others,"

      Whoa, back the fsck up here...they have a candidate named "Kinky?"

    4. Re:So let me get this straight....... by zxnos · · Score: 1

      sound like porno names...

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    5. Re:So let me get this straight....... by beders · · Score: 3, Funny

      CK Strayhorn
      Star Locke
      Kinky Friedman
      Rick Perry

      Rick Perry needs to change his name, it's just not good enough

    6. Re:So let me get this straight....... by batlock666 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Whoa, back the fsck up here...they have a candidate named "Kinky?"

      You mean: Kinky Friedman runs for governor?

    7. Re:So let me get this straight....... by bahwi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's probably true, but Kinky's earned more money than any of the democratic contenders.

      And Carole is technically an independent in this election, and doesn't have her traditional republican backing.

    8. Re:So let me get this straight....... by cornface · · Score: 1

      It's going to be between the incumbent, Rick Perry, and another Republican challenger, Carole Keeton Strayhorn.

      Carole, it should be noted, is the mother of White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan.

      The GOP is a small incestuous world.

    9. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Id Software.

    10. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      The GOP is a small incestuous world.


      And the Democrats aren't?

      As in I want to be President just like my hubby...
      Or
      I want to be President just like my brother, uncle, etc. JFK...
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    11. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Luyseyal · · Score: 1
      Star Locke doesn't have a snowball chance in hell of winning the Texas Governor position.

      Agreed. I was going to post nearly the same language. :) I do think Kinky has a chance (I have in mind Ma & Pa Ferguson and Pappy O'Daniel), but I have to wonder if his campaign is percolating a little too sluggishly to have much chance of success. Perry's in the damn paper every day. It's hard as hell to compete with that.

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    12. Re:So let me get this straight....... by hal2814 · · Score: 1
    13. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Infernal+Device · · Score: 1

      OTOH, not having to pay taxes for services I don't use sounds pretty good. Makes me wish I could direct my tax money to projects I consider important, like space travel and universal healthcare.

      But, this guy sounds like a wacko and I'm not going to vote for him.

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    14. Re:So let me get this straight....... by cornface · · Score: 1

      And the Democrats aren't?

      I didn't say that or imply that.

    15. Re:So let me get this straight....... by millennial · · Score: 1

      Or
      I want to be President just like my daddy.
      Oh, wait... that's GWB.

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    16. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what "violent" video game developers based out of that state, like Id, think?

      Who cares? They haven't done anything relevant since Quake 2.

    17. Re:So let me get this straight....... by cyber0ne · · Score: 1

      If he was elected he would get rid of a tax he has to pay. And replace it with taxes he won't pay since they would be taxing services he obviously doesn't use? How is that fair?

      You answered your own question. Sure, his intentions are obvious. And his motivations could range anywhere from simple greed to some deep belief in his own righteousness. But, in the end, if Texas doesn't want this to happen, Texas can stop it.

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    18. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Just like the 'Libertarian' ideas from Steve Forbes and the $20,000,000 he spent for his flat tax agenda?

      Doesn't even have to be elected President of the US with all the FREE publicity and matching funds --
      a 6 month or so return on "investment" if that looney idea ever gets enough lower-middle class support.

    19. Re:So let me get this straight....... by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      I do think Kinky has a chance
      Well, Kinky is running as a joke, like Pat Paulsen running for President in 1968, 1972, 1976, 1992, and 1996.
       
      Among the serious candidates, White Republicans are voting for Perry. Texas Chicanos and Blacks are overwhelmingly Democratic and will be voting for the Democratic sacrificial lamb du jour (who may turn out to be former Houston-area Congressman Chris Bell, who was gerrymandered out of a Congress seat by Tom Delay).
       
      So no, when you think of Kinky think "snowball in Hell". IMO the only way Perry loses is if enough White Republicans and Chicano/Black Democrats defect and vote for "one tough grandma" Carole Keeton Strayhorn.
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    20. Re:So let me get this straight....... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It is only fair that video game manufacturers pay a licence for the use of violence in video games, after all extreme acts of violence are the exclusive preserve of the US military, to be used by frustrated redneck servicemen when they practice their sexually perveted acts of sadism, bondage and a hint of necrophilia (you can tell by the penalties, the last one got punished for destroying a valuable intelligence asset not for torturing someone to death).

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    21. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Luyseyal · · Score: 1
      Well, Kinky is running as a joke

      He's not. Did you not see him on 60 Minutes the other night? He's dead serious about it.

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    22. Re:So let me get this straight....... by dave1g · · Score: 1

      Kinky Will be the Governor of Texas. YEHA!! :-)

    23. Re:So let me get this straight....... by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      Well, Kinky is running as a joke
      He's not. Did you not see him on 60 Minutes the other night? He's dead serious about it.
      No, I missed him on 60 Minutes but everything I have read points to him being a joke candidate. If you read the San Antonio Express-News article linked to on his website one has to wonder how serious he really is.
       
      For instance when he says "I support gay marriage, and I support prayer in school" who can take him seriously? Gay marriage turns off the conservatives and prayer in schools is a hot button issue to liberals. Which voters is he going after by saying something like that?
       
      How about:
      ... he has outlined a bizarre plan to protect the border.
       
      "You take five Mexican generals and give them a bank account of $1 million each," he said. "Then every time a Mexican national gets caught crossing illegally, you withdraw $5,000 from the general responsible for that sector."
      What the hell is that all about? Bribing Mexican generals is against Mexican law, and the mere suggestion that illegal immigration is solely a Mexican problem is insulting to Mexico because it is a fact that those illegal immigrants are coming here because AMERICAN employers are hiring them.
       
      How about when he says: "I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks." or "I'll keep us out of war with Oklahoma." or "I'm going to de-wussify Texas if I have to do it one wuss at a time." Which voters is going after when he says things like that?
       
      Also, if he was truly serious he would have gathered the necessary voter signatures by now rather than waiting until the last sixty days before the deadline.
       
      Kinky will be on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno later tonight and I will be sure to catch him to see how serious he really is. If indeed he is being serious then there is a chance he can win (given the fact that Texas has elected bigger clowns like George Bush governor before) but I personally would not bet the ranch on Kinky being our next governor...
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    24. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Luyseyal · · Score: 1
      I'm not going to comment on whether his positions seem politically expedient or not. His whole point is "outsider", of course. Your comment about him not having "gathered the necessary voter signatures by now rather than waiting until the last sixty days before the deadline" betrays your ignorance of Texas' ridiculous election law. From Kinky's website:
      Texas election law says Friedman will also have to collect 45,540 signatures to get on the 2006 ballot. He will not be able to start gathering signatures until March 8, the day after the state party primary elections, and can only collect signatures from registered Texans who did not vote in any primary. Friedman will have until May 11 to turn the signatures in and qualify for the ballot.

      And from the Dallas Morning News:

      The campaign is on track to raise $1 million by March to collect more than 45,000 signatures, a brick wall of a hurdle for an independent to get on the ballot. The only man to do it was Sam Houston. But then, Sam didn't have the Internet: 30,000 have signed up at www.kinkyfriedman.com.

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    25. Re:So let me get this straight....... by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      Your comment about him not having "gathered the necessary voter signatures by now rather than waiting until the last sixty days before the deadline" betrays your ignorance of Texas' ridiculous election law.
      True, I did not research the relevant law, but give me a break, the last time took a Texas government course was close to 30 years ago! Besides as a yellow dog Democrat, I really don't care about what it takes an independent candidate to get on the ballot because most of them tend to be on the lunatic fringe (i.e., Libertarians, Greens, etc.).
       
      I still think that there is no way in Hell that Kinky will win. It will be the Ralph Nader effect again, where more Democrats than Republicans will vote for Kinky. Same goes for Strayhorn, more Democrats will defect than Republicans. Kinky may get more votes than the Democratic candidate (due to the sad state the Texas Democratic party currently finds itself in) but there is very little chance of him getting more votes than Perry, especially if he does not address the issues better.
       
      Sure it sounds good to say we need to pay Texas teachers more and that we need to spend more on health care in Texas, but why no details on how to pay for those proposals? Voting for a particular person for governor just because they are famous does not seem to be working for California, it would be a shame for Texas to make the same mistake.
       
      Sure it is early but judging from several recent polls source 1 and source 2 Kinky has a lot of ground to make up if the wants to be elected governor. He will have to make inroads among Black voters (85% of whom vote Democrat) and Chicano voters along the border (little known fact: if South Texas were a separate state it would have been a Blue state).
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    26. Re:So let me get this straight....... by werewolf1031 · · Score: 1

      How is a flat tax and a near-dismantling of the Internal Revenue Service a "looney idea"? I don't care about his motives, only the idea itself. Really, the only debate on that one should be the amount of the tax itself, to keep the lower-class from paying more than what they are now. Please elaborate on how this would be "looney".

      Thanks in advance.

    27. Re:So let me get this straight....... by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      For the record, I think Perry's likely to win except in a couple cases. E.g., if school financing isn't solved and Perry is linked to the corruption scandal. This is why I say I think Kinky has a chance. I don't think he has a great chance of winning at this point. Having said that, he is running a serious campaign for governor, even though his positions are definitely atypical. You know the guy who ran Jesse Ventura's campaign is running Kinky's, right? We'll see what happens. I haven't even decided who I'm voting for. It definitely won't be Perry (great hair != good leader), Strayhorn (she has a mouth with its own brain and does not play well with others), or Chris Bell (eliminating TAKS? That's just stupid).

      I'm a moderate and nearly always vote my conscience in the general election, though I'm not above voting in the Republican primary to vote down someone I don't like.

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  2. Cheap publicity stunt by faloi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's no way this sort of thing would pass. Texas is in the midst of some funding issues/scandals. And considering I live in Texas and this is the first I've heard of this guy, this is a cheap way to get some publicity for his campaign. Either that or I need to pay more attention to local politics.

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    1. Re:Cheap publicity stunt by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Let's hope he pulls it out in the primary. Up against this guy, Kinky has a sure win.

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    2. Re:Cheap publicity stunt by sanjacguy · · Score: 1

      Shoot, I live in this guy's home city (Corpus Christi) and I've never heard of this guy. The real money is on the Strayhorne vs Perry - word is Strayhorne'll run as an independent so she can go up against Perry.

  3. Texas is the new Utopia by Godeke · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Good grief, I'm as big of a video game fan as anyone, but this isn't about video games but a scary way of thinking.

    "I take the position that the Founding Fathers took: that the power to tax is the power to destroy. So our concept is that we need to tax things we don't want and you want to not tax things that you want to encourage.

    Ah, there is the epitome of sustainable government taxation: tax things you want to destroy. Sometimes I wonder what powers these politicians... it sure isn't brains. See, if you succeed in destroying the taxed items, then you have no tax base. So destruction of the taxed items clearly can't be the goal in such a tax proposal: it would deny the government the monies it needs.

    So if your goal isn't to destroy the "sin taxed" items (since under his model you only tax things you don't want) then the reality is that you want to encourage or sustain the sin taxed items to help raise funds. Ah, isn't that a great idea? Get elected by claiming that you will remove taxes from things ordinary good folk want, such as property, and shift the burden to evil gamers, loose women and sugar fiends. (Wow, has Texas really become so utopian that those were the worst they could find? My trip to the Dallas BoardGameGeek convention sure didn't make it seem that way.)

    One wonders if the people are smart enough to realize that fully funding your government via sin taxes turns you into something similar to Las Vegas, where sin is fully encouraged as long as the taxes are collected. Of course, the prior story on politicians ignoring the facts probably explains this all away anyway.
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    1. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by neoform · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a pretty strange assumption that all women who want/need abortions are "loose" as you put it.

      Ever think there might be other reasons for wanting an abortion? Does RAPE come to mind?

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    2. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Are you saying she didn't ask for it by the way she dressed?

      All trolling aside I wonder if this will pass constitutional muster. You can't outlaw abortions in a state, can one simply tax it to obscurity. At 10K it would be cheaper just to goto the next state, and I assume thats what they want.

    3. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by Anxarcule · · Score: 1

      A large tax on video games does put the government in a rather unique position. How can you pretend to clamp down on video games if you benefit from every sale of them?

      I'm sure the Republicans can find a way to spin it somehow. It all fits into the backlash theory. If the government actually fixes the "problem" of violent video games, then why would their conservative base elect them again? These issues need to stay simmering in the collective consciousness of conservatives.

    4. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by Godeke · · Score: 1

      Chill. I was making a joke based on a presumed attitude of someone who would propose such a tax structure, not my opinion of abortion (which is that it should be available to those who want it without an overly intrusive government nanny).

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    5. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by Mantaman · · Score: 1

      To go along with that idea here in the UK we are getting taxed to death on ciggies and petrol (smokes n gas for yall) by the government. Because they want us to stop using our cars and stop smokeing as these are BAD :) its already happening!!

    6. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, there is the epitome of sustainable government taxation: tax things you want to destroy.

      ...Like "personal income" and "sales"?


      Gotta agree, these guys certainly don't think very much about the consequences of the laws they create.


      But then, I have increasingly grown of the opinion that ALL involuntary taxation needs to end, immediately. Not that I expect that to happen, nor will I stop paying my yearly extortion money to the government, but culturally, we NEED to lose the mentality best summed up in the "death and taxes" cliche. "We" don't need to pay taxes. "They" need our money to use it on police and militaries so they can enforce all the other BS laws that no sane human would ever consider "good".


      I'll gladly pay for roads, for schools, for libraries, for social programs that benefit everyone (like truly universal healthcare, not of this half-assed system we have now). But when the single biggest chunk of my income goes, involuntarily, to fighting a new holy war, I have a problem with that. And for anyone who considers this rant to have gone off-topic, consider - How would you categorize the Christian Right's campaign against all things fun, free, or Islamic?

    7. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      Besides, this is 2006, I thought the idea that being "loose" is normal for men but morally wrong for women died decades ago?

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    8. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by phlegmofdiscontent · · Score: 1


      This guy sounds like a complete jackass, but it's not just conservatives who think this way. Some states have huge taxes on cigarettes (though that's a bipartisan thing, it seems) I've heard quite a few liberals clamoring for huge increases in taxes on gasoline (cuz it would only hurt SUV drivers... never mind the truck drivers who deliver goods and people who ride the bus etc) and increasing taxes on guns and other things conservatives like.

      The fact is, both sides say they want to keep property, sales, and income taxes low while jacking up the taxes on "sinful" or "wasteful" things they disagree with. Where does it end? High taxes on Bibles or Korans because they incite violence? High taxes on fatty foods because they cause fat people (spontaneous generation and all that) and then they find out peanuts cause tumors, so they gotta tax the shit out of that too.

      The maddening thing is, I find myself thinking along the same lines, though more modestly. Sure, increase the gas tax maybe 10%, but at the same time, offer more incentives for hybrid or alternative fuel vehicles. Cap out any "sin" tax at 25% of the value of the item. I wouldn't add a "fat" tax to junk food, just remove the taxes on healthy foods (if it hasn't already been done). The system can work, but there needs to be some sanity injected into it.

    9. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by schon · · Score: 1

      tax things you want to destroy. ...Like "personal income" and "sales"?

      Great point. I wonder how well he'll do if his opponent quotes him, and then alludes to the conclusion that the man is obviously a Communist.

    10. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by nasch · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'll gladly pay for roads, for schools, for libraries, for social programs that benefit everyone (like truly universal healthcare, not of this half-assed system we have now).

      The problem is the majority of people who, given the choice, would not support any of those things. Without involuntary taxation, you would not have a military, law enforcement*, fire protection, road maintenance, public education, low-income health care and other services, public parks/libraries/museums, and so on. Is that really the place where you want to live, or are you imagining somewhere that people would volutarily give their money to the government? Because be assured that that place is imaginary.

      * police, border patrol, enforcement of regulations on safety, environment, unfair business practices, etc., a court system...

    11. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by Agripa · · Score: 1

      The Supreme Court case Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Company, 259 U.S. 20 (1922) is worth reading when politicians propose this type of law. Basically, a law may not use punitive taxation for the purpose of regulation of an item or activity that would not otherwise be within the scope of regulation. For instance, if violent video games are protected speech, you may not regulate them by using punitive taxation. The same would apply to abortion or to firearms to the extent that they are protected. The power to tax is indeed the power to destroy.

      http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?c ourt=us&vol=259&invol=20
      http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/ USSC_CR_0259_0020_ZO.html

    12. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      I agree that paying needless taxes (be it a wrongful war or helping a smoker get surgury) is a bad thing, but the problem with your idea is that, while you may be willing to help pay for things like roads and schools in some more voluntary system, you're in the small minority. Most people would just take their money and not help pay for public services in the least, assuming that everyone else will pick up the bill in their stead. So, to get these people to help pay for things that they, you, and I use, you have to force it out of them, be it through sales tax, income tax, or property tax.

      And, since this is the government, you can't pick and choose who gets to pay willingly and who is forced to pay, so everyone gets screwed equally.

      Personally, I don't mind a whole lot if a politician is getting paid a bit more than he deserves, if it means that I can get someone to come and hose down my house if it catches on fire. There are, of course, much worse things being done by tax money, but I'd rather stick with the system and try to fix it than to toss away all parts of it (at least, until a better system comes along.)

      Regardless, the politician in question is just an idiot. I weap for our country's future.

    13. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by dragondm · · Score: 1

      Bull. Sh!te.

      Many people already do pay for schools. Museums have entry fees. Many rural fire departments are supported by user fees (they'll still put out a blaze if you don't pay, but you WILL be handed a nice bill afterwards. )

      Toll roads work quite well (if you don't pay, you don't drive on the road), and some are nicely designed (one of the plains states (Oklahoma?) has a nice system: You pay once to access the toll road, and you get a ticket that lets you on the road for the whole day. You can go on & off as many times as you like, and the toll boths are only at the highway entrances. Combine this with weekly/monthly/yearly toll passes and most people would hardly notice it, esp. if you nuke the gas taxes that currently fund the roads. ) Many local roads are maintained by homeowner's associations.

      And, while I would be ermm... reluctant to give money to the government voluntarily, because of the utterly irresponsible way they handle money, I sure as heck will give money to all sorts of charity organizations, and so will alot of other people. And when a charity is found spending money irresponsably, people can simply support a different one. Or start a new one.

      The only thing you *might* have a point on is the military/courts/law enforcement, but that is such a small cost compared to all the other crud the government gets into, that you could repeal the federal income tax, and every state income and sales tax and still not have to cut any military, police, or court budgets. (existing federal excise and state property taxes would cover it.)

      People *will* pay for stuff they use. And they *will* donate to charitable organizations to help out other people. The argument that these things would not be done if the government did not force money out of people is just plain bull.

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    14. Re:Texas is the new Utopia by nasch · · Score: 1
      Yes, people pay tuition for private schools. Because if they don't, their kids don't get to go there. People pay admission fees, because if they don't, they don't get to go in. People pay tolls, because if they don't, they don't get to drive on the road. Do you want all schools to be private, all spaces to charge admission, and all roads to be tolled? Maybe you do, I don't know. Or maybe you think that charitable organizations are willing and able to raise enough money to cover all the programs I mentioned. I don't think it's possible. I don't think there are enough people willing to give enough money voluntarily to cover expenses that they'll benefit from whether they pay or not. The fire department thing sounds interesting, but potentially problematic to apply to a densely populated district. What do you do when someone refuses to pay? Take them to court, I assume. Then you have to raise the fees to cover the court costs for the freeloaders, which leads to more people choosing not to pay... Besides which depending on the size of the fee, it might make sense not to pay given how unlikely a fire is in a newer home inhabited by non-smokers. So, problematic but very interesting.

      you could repeal the federal income tax, and every state income and sales tax and still not have to cut any military, police, or court budgets. (existing federal excise and state property taxes would cover it.)

      That might be true if you leave out the military. Given that "defense" gets more than all other federal spending combined, I doubt you could fund it with just the taxes you mentioned. Of course the enormous size of the defense budget is a completely separate topic.

      Whether a charitable giving system could fund everything we need is of course pure speculation. You seem to think it would work; I lean towards the opposite view. One problem is that it seems as charities get bigger, they become more likely to be corrupt or at a bare minimum spend more and more of their money on administration. A bigger problem is that there would be no guarantees. Take roads for an example. Right now the rancher knows the county is in charge of maintaining the road that goes by his ranch, and the county isn't going anywhere. Budgets go up and down, etc etc, but the bottom line is that responsibility will remain. Take away that government responsibility, and now maybe there will be a charity interested in paving the road, and maybe there won't. And if there is such a charity, maybe it can get enough donations to fund the road project, and maybe it can't. You could counter that he could start a charity if one didn't exist, but he's a rancher for a reason - he doesn't want to run a charity, he wants to run a ranch. The whole reason we form governments is to take care of matters of public interest so that we don't have to do it on our own.

  4. Remember by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 3, Funny

    The colonies declared war on England because they taxed a beverage. And it wasn't even coffee.

    1. Re:Remember by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 1

      but back then, people drink much more tea than coffee.

    2. Re:Remember by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      So in which gulf-coastal city will the cola party be held? How does Galveston sound?

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    3. Re:Remember by Allison+Geode · · Score: 1

      do it in his home town of corpus christi: the beaches are cleaner, and there's a very nice functional harbor (with real cargo ships!) to dump things off of!

      originally from corpus christi. the best thing I ever did was leave. its a stifling, retarded, closed-minded little town masquerading as a tourist resort.

    4. Re:Remember by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      All of a sudden I have a craving for tea coffee. Delicious tea coffee.

  5. tinfoil hat by davez0r · · Score: 1

    what if, instead of the tax on sweetened soft drinks, they stopped subsidizing corn farmers? the price of corn syrup would go up, so soft drink manufacturers would switch to cane sugar and increase their prices.

    government increases income (no subsidy)
    soda price goes up
    (soft drinks taste better)

    1. Re:tinfoil hat by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure corn syrup is still cheaper unsubsidized than cane sugar. I still wish cola manufactures would provide the more expensive option of cane sugar version.

      You can still purchase original cane sugar Dr. Pepper at http://www.dublindrpepper.com/

    2. Re:tinfoil hat by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      No, the US subsidizes the corn farmers so that they limit production. If there were no subsidy, the corn farmers would produce a lot more corn, resulting in LOWER corn prices (which is good in my opinion). Not allowing us to get cane sugar from one of the largest producers of cane sugar on earth (Cuba) is what's keeping sugar prices so high. In other countries a lot of soft drink makers still use cane sugar because it's dirt cheap in most parts of the world.

    3. Re:tinfoil hat by Forbman · · Score: 1

      No, tax ConAgra, Cargill and ADM instead, say, with a differential tax (figure out an inverse formula to help drive up the price that the commodity buyers pay to farmers. Of course, they will just figure out some other way to screw over farmers, so what's the point). ADM benefits (and lobbies for) the continued cane sugar tariffs, along with the anti-Castro loonies in Florida and the few remaining sugar cane growers in Florida. It is in ADM's best interests to keep the sugar tariffs high. ADM makes and sells the corn syrup, not the farmers. ADM probably sets different incentive values to the farmers. Growing high sugar hybrids this year will pay more than growing GMO'd high oil content seed corn, etc.

      USDA commodity payouts for grain don't differentiate on what kind of corn you're growing or production. You get $x/acre/crop.

      Yes, I'm proud to get my $77/yr for 3.5 acres of "wheat" and "oats" production (for when my property used to be leased out for that. now it's sheep pasture). Wow. $77/year.

    4. Re:tinfoil hat by davez0r · · Score: 1

      hey sometimes i drink coke and it tastes really good. this only happens when it comes out of a fountain or one of those bar watergun things (i want one).

      do you know what they are doing that makes it so delicious? do they put in real sugar somehow? or are they just altering the syrup/water ratio. either way, can i get in on this action?

      (i take my soda very seriously)

    5. Re:tinfoil hat by davez0r · · Score: 1

      stick it to the man by taking that $77 and using it to buy black market cuban cane sugar. i hear the smuggling process just makes it taste sweeter.

    6. Re:tinfoil hat by dimension6 · · Score: 1

      You know, I notice a better taste with glass bottles (here in the US, we only have the tiny bottles). They're more expensive, but I rarely drink soda so it's worth the occassional expenditure for me...

    7. Re:tinfoil hat by davez0r · · Score: 1

      you know, they have those crazy tiny glass bottles at the deli by where i work....

  6. Kinky Friedman by Cyphertube · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yeah, again, let's all support Kinky Friedman for Governor!

    Oh, and I'd like to see a tax for stupid tax initiatives.

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    1. Re:Kinky Friedman by flood6 · · Score: 1

      I think he's an asshat. I don't know much about her (except she signed my permit to collect taxes in Texas), but Comptroller Carole Strayhorn is also running as an Independent, she looks more likely to get my vote.

    2. Re:Kinky Friedman by bahwi · · Score: 1

      He's an asshat because why? Because he hasn't copied and pasted his resume word for word for governor? You gotta be kidding me. Carole has no info on what she supports doesn't support, has almost no use of internet technology(wow, yet another unimpressive candidate who has no clue of INTER-NET) and says, like all Republicans initially do, she wants to lower taxes. But, like all Republicans(yes, I know she's running as an independent), she'll probably raise them here and there while lowering this other one by a little and blabbing all about it.

    3. Re:Kinky Friedman by flood6 · · Score: 1
      He's an asshat because his campaign is a joke. I appreciate the fact that he's trying to break away from "politics as usual" and offer an alternative. But he'll never get enough people to vote for him with commercials about action figures and banner ads on his campaign site for his barbecue sauce. Even if someone wanted to say his campaign wasn't about winning but about making a statement...what's the statement? It's fun to run for Governor? OK, I'm convinced. Independent candidates should be taken seriously? I hope not because he's giving the opposite impression.

      You mentioned not knowing what Strayhorn's agenda (other than lowering taxes is), but I'm not too clear on Kinky's either. If I remember correctly he makes some broad statements about improving education and the like, but I'm sure similar things could be found on all the candidate's sites. And I'm not stumping for Strayhorn, she's just more likely to get my vote because her winning or at least taking a lot of votes just might help weaken this two-party debacle the US has dug itself into (and Kinky gives the impression of incompetence).

      I'm unlikely to vote for a Republican or Democrat when there is an Independent or minor-party candidate. I'm pretty much of the opinion that most politicians are crooked as hell, I think Independents are somewhat more sincere. But Kinky? I can't tell if he's serious. I'm not willing to make a symbolic vote for him when I don't agree with his clownish antics. I feel he's making it more difficult for current and future Independent and minor-party candidates to be accepted as credible.

      So pretty much, that's why he's an asshat.

  7. Tax across the board. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1


    <snarky>Well, I hope this genius also taxes other things that could hurt you...like coffee, fast food, and city buses. I'd hate to be exposed to anything that could damage me in any way.</snarky>

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    1. Re:Tax across the board. by Secrity · · Score: 1

      Why coffee? Coffee can only hurt you if the coffee is VERY hot and you are stupid enough to spill it in your lap - while driving.

    2. Re:Tax across the board. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd hate to be exposed to anything that could damage me in any way.

      You'd better avoid your own posts then. They're stupid enough to make your brain hurt.

    3. Re:Tax across the board. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless of course it's the OTHER kind of hot coffee...

  8. Damn by kevin.fowler · · Score: 1

    What a kick in the nuts to gamers this would be... not only do you have to pay 150% for video games, but cases of mountain dew to keep you up and enjoy the games cost more.

    It's a good thing that even conservatives think this dude is nuts. They must really love the Coke



    acola.

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    1. Re:Damn by ianc7 · · Score: 0

      Will Cola smuggling and Game-jacking be capital offences?

    2. Re:Damn by kevin.fowler · · Score: 1

      I can only hope. It will be like the old west all over again... only with less Clint Eastwood and Ennio Morricone music, and more black rimmed glasses and J-pop.

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  9. bullets by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's the current tax per bullet and what's his recommended one?

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    1. Re:bullets by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      Just an interesting side note, but a friend of mine gave a speech in communications class in college on just that subject. It turns out that taxes on ammunition in New Mexico goes towards buying and maintaining wild-life preserves. As a hunter, he was pleased to point out the benefit everyone gets from his hobby.

      Or a bit of trivia my brother pointed out to me: The US has a 100 year supply of guns, but only a 2 year supply of ammo.

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    2. Re:bullets by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      I've always loved New Mexico, and this just gives me one more reason why...

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  10. Wtf? by LinuxIdiot · · Score: 1

    50% tax on violent video games??? Does this mean that prices of games would effectively double to cover taxes plus profits? If they are actually trying to do this then what about smoking? What percentage is that going to be increased by since that would really rake in the cash with people smoking a pack+ per day.

    1. Re:Wtf? by raptorspike · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean. Why not get rid of cigarettes by taxing the shit out of them. But they aren't going to make a tax that they in turn might fall too

    2. Re:Wtf? by FuzzyDustBall · · Score: 1

      Heh in my state theres like 120% tax on cigs they cost about 6 bucks a pack.

    3. Re:Wtf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      50% tax on violent video games??? Does this mean that prices of games would effectively double...

      No, it means the price of violent games would increase by 50%.

    4. Re:Wtf? by TibbonZero · · Score: 1

      Have you seen cigs in NYC as compared to North Carolina? $2.50 a pack in NC vs nearly 10 a pack in NYC. That's some tax for you.

      And no it doesn't stop people from using them.

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  11. What about taxing the things we can't live without by Durrill · · Score: 3, Funny

    If he were to introduce a +1% levy on ammunition, i'm sure the state would have a hundred billion surplus by the end of the year.

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  12. Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It sounds like he wants to eliminate the taxes he pays and create "extreme" sin taxes.

    The 50% tax on violent video games would get declared unconstitutional most likely. It would be an infringement on freedom or speech (censorship on what the government "thinks" is violent) probably.

    Would they even have the state constitutional authority tax put a flat fee tax on abortions? I'm not a lawyer, but I feel something would come up that would overturn that kind of tax.

    We have something like the soft drink tax in Washington state, but it's at it's normal sales tax rate. Food items hear, most of them, and when not in a serving environment, don't get sales tax.

    There are ways to get rid property taxes. Create a luxury sales tax. Have the sales tax only affect purchases the rich can afford. Electronics over $5k for example. Vehicles over $50k. Anything classified as a yacht. Property purchases (i.e. land) exceeding $1 million.

    1. Re:Insane by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      So this guy's "extreme" sin tax solution is wrong but your "extreme" luxury tax idea is OK? Sounds to me like they're both implementations of the same idea: moving the tax burden from many people to fewer people. At least sin taxes are harder to sidestep. Luxury taxes generally don't work because the people who have the money to buy the luxury item typically also have the money to travel elsewhere to get said item.

    2. Re:Insane by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
      Create a luxury sales tax. Have the sales tax only affect purchases the rich can afford. Electronics over $5k for example. Vehicles over $50k. Anything classified as a yacht. Property purchases (i.e. land) exceeding $1 million.

      The US Congress thought that a 10% luxury tax on boats over $100,000 was a good idea back in 1991. It was (relatively) quickly repealed three years later -- but not before putting a large number of US-based custom boat builders out of business.

    3. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      I believe that would be illegal to avoid paying the tax. Sales tax tends to be done by destination, not the purchasing place. For example, I, being a Washingtonian, would be responsible for any and all sales tax on purchases I make by mail order or by Internet purchase. If I purchase a book from New York while my residence and shipping destination is in Washington state, I am responsible for paying the sales tax. Although a book is a minor purchase, you get the idea.

    4. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      How exactly did they go out of business? A 10% retail sales tax on boats shouldn't be that negative.

    5. Re:Insane by bahwi · · Score: 1

      There's a little city out here east of Dallas called Canton. They have what is called "First Monday Trade Days" (where Dallas got the name for it's very gray market tech trading midnight rush called "First Saturday"). There website is here. Because of first monday, and because they lease out that land to other conventions/shows(such as farming equipment trade shows, etc..) they don't have a city property tax. Wikipedia has more info. So there are ways without even taxing stuff traditionally.

      Of course, you get into a huge deal over whether governments should be meddling in the business of conventions, real estate, etc... but it is a thought. Run it like a business, make it profitable, and remove taxes from the people.

    6. Re:Insane by vexx0 · · Score: 0

      First Saturday sales are great.

    7. Re:Insane by nickname225 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am a lawyer (although constitutional law is not my area of specialization) - and at least the taxes on "violent" video games and abortion would most likely be found unconstitutional. The government is free to tax video games at pretty much any rate they want - but the first amendment protection of free speech is generally construed to prohibit government regulation of "Content based speech" So - a tax on JUST violent video games - or even JUST kids video games is unlikely to pass constitutional muster. Similarly - the tax on abortions is likely to be considered too great a burden on the right of abortion (as the court currently understands it - until Roberts, Scalia, Alito et al destroy it). Interestingly enough the soda tax is probably fine.

    8. Re:Insane by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I imagine that if you're buying a $100,000 boat, then it's probably an ocean going vessel, and you could probably get around it by buying the boat somewhere else. I don't think there's any laws that stop you from parking a boat from another country at a marina.

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    9. Re:Insane by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Sales tax tends to be done by destination, not the purchasing place.

      And Mexico is right across the border. You think they wouldn't want that business? They're probably dreaming of it.

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    10. Re:Insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a pretty good explanation of what happened.

      Basically, luxury taxes are dumb. They barely bring in any revenue, and cause too much economic damage.

    11. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Some people are bound to try cheating, but I would hope they would be more honest. Since there's no income tax in my state, they do have the money to pay the sales tax. Also, if the luxury tax isn't too much, perhaps 3% in addition to regular sales taxes, that's only $3k more.

      If a luxury tax doesn't work, there's always one more idea. Make property taxes progressive, and there are so many ways to do it too.

    12. Re:Insane by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's because they consider the sale to happen based on where the purchaser is at the time of purchase. I live in Georgia and go to South Carolina frequently. I pay my sales taxes to the state of South Carolina when I'm there and I buy something (ex. gas for my boat). I am in no way obligated to pay those taxes to the state of Georgia. When I buy something online I'm purchasing it FROM Georgia and I'm subject ot pay those taxes to the state of Georgia.

      Now some states get you on boat and automobile taxes when you register the vehicle. I guess you could stop people from getting around those restrictions by requiring registrations on luxury items, but there would still be ways around it. For example, you could buy a small piece of land in another state and claim that as your residence. For about $2000-$5000 you could do that in some of the more rural regions of this country. Then you could just claim that your luxury item is here temporarily and it belongs in that state on a regular basis.

    13. Re:Insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So charge at customs when you come across the border, as is normally the case for purchases overseas.

    14. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      What do you mean? Someone, like from Texas, buying an item from another state and having it shipped to Mexico? Well, that's definitely cheating the state.

    15. Re:Insane by east+coast · · Score: 1

      That would still rob Texas; boat makers would move to mexico (cutting a high number of jobs) and they could undervalue the boat by putting the power of the peso on it. In the long run the buyer would still make out.

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    16. Re:Insane by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
      How exactly did they go out of business? A 10% retail sales tax on boats shouldn't be that negative.

      They bought the boat somewhere else, or simply didn't buy one at all.

      The US had a diverse custom boat building industry. Most were small, family-run operations that built custom boats to order for people that had the money and inclination. It was a high-margin (and high-profit) business, separate from the mass market boat industry that churn out fishing and ski boats using production lines.

      The luxury tax decimated the custom-boat industry in the US. I'm not sure if it ever recovered.

    17. Re:Insane by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Food items hear

      And I thought only the walls had ears....

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    18. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      I should really be more careful. I hate making typos on something I can't edit.

    19. Re:Insane by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      I wish it was that simple. I work for a company that has to deal with sale taxes in inter-state sales, and it is a big pain. There are Origination States, that ask for a sales tax when the item originates from them, and then there are Destination states, that require a sales tax if the purchased item or service is received there. If two sales tax apply, you get to ignore the origination tax, but you have to pay the destination state's tax. Add local taxes and the shipping and handling taxability/non taxability situations, and you get a big mess that is really hard to figure out.

    20. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      We live in the digital age. We should be able to figure out a solution with computers concerning calculating sales tax. A national sales tax registry perhaps?

    21. Re:Insane by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that luxury taxes are a good idea (they generally aren't), but there does appear to me to be a big difference between the gov't being in the business of defining "luxury" and the gov't being in the business of defining "sin". If a politician wants to tax (and thus define) luxury, I think "Not smart". If a politician wants to tax (and thus define) sin, I think "Evil hypocritical asshole".

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    22. Re:Insane by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      I got a good chuckle out of it at least. :-)

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    23. Re:Insane by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      Oh my, laws no. M-O-O-N, that spells retarded.

      The answer is certainly not to give the government more control over taxes, especially now when they're making a Palpatine-esque sprint for power.

      The answer is to buy stuff from online stories that don't charge sales tax (mostly smaller stores and ebay). Problem solved.

    24. Re:Insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Food items hear

      And I thought only the walls had ears....


      Nope; the corn has ears, too.

    25. Re:Insane by charstar · · Score: 1

      true.

      I'm also a washingtonian, but hop over the river into portland to buy my stuff tax free. They don't charge me when i cross the bridge back into washington.

    26. Re:Insane by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      Create a luxury sales tax. Have the sales tax only affect purchases the rich can afford. Electronics over $5k for example.

      Our new quad-Xeon server cost more than $5k, but it helps us stay in business (employing about 50 people). You'd levy luxury taxes on my business capital.

      Vehicles over $50k.

      A dump truck will easily run you $75k+. You'd levy luxury taxes on the construction crew down the road.

      Anything classified as a yacht.

      From the American Heritage dictionary:

      Yacht: Any of various relatively small sailing or motor-driven vessels, generally with smart graceful lines, used for pleasure cruises or racing.

      You'd levy luxury taxes on the remote control sailboat my kid bought, if the government decided it had "smart graceful lines".

      Property purchases (i.e. land) exceeding $1 million.

      You'd levy luxury taxes on the farmland my next door neighbor bought.

      I hereby sentence you to handwrite "I do not understand the law of unintended consequences, but I will do my best to learn it" one hundred times, then blog about why simple solutions almost never do what we think they will.

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    27. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Is that even legal?

    28. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      I should have said purchases made for personal reasons, i.e. not by a business.

      Fine, then just make it any yacht exceeding $100k in value.

    29. Re:Insane by charstar · · Score: 1

      sure, oregon has no sales tax.

    30. Re:Insane by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      I should have said purchases made for personal reasons, i.e. not by a business.

      Fair enough. I'll purchase my next yacht through an S-corp shell - business entertainment and all that, you know. And what about people who buy a boat in lieu of a house? $100,000 doesn't buy much house these days, but that would put them into the luxury category under your plan.

      And again, I reiterate: the law of unintended consequences is the bane of simple solutions. Always. Every single time. It's a 100% guarantee that someone will ignore your intent and instead follow the letter of your regulations. This should be a familiar problem to the large number of Slashdotters that make their living writing code.

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    31. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      The intent is to make taxes progressive. There can always be one year trial runs until something is figured out that will solve the problems.

      I still stick to my idea about luxury taxes, something small as maybe a 3% addition to regular sales tax. Nonetheless, I am still speaking of state taxes.

      I think the best way to fix state taxes is to make property tax progressive. Split it into residential and non-residential property tax rates. Require a certain percentage, fixed, of the residential property tax revenue to be used for homestead exemptions. As for the non-residential property tax and whether there should be exemptions, I don't know yet.

    32. Re:Insane by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's legal for Washingtonians to cross the boarder to avoid paying Washingtonian sales tax. If I were to travel to Oregon to buy a plasma t.v. hypothetically speaking, I think I would still be subject to sales tax. It would be my liability for paying it. Sure, I could try to get away with it, but that would be dishonest.

  13. Christ, people, he's from Corpus! by timster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Corpus Christi is literally the boondocks. Plenty of Texas politicians say stupid things, but this guy doesn't even have a remote chance of being elected. Calling him a "candidate" is extremely far-fetched.

    Anybody can spout nonsense; this guy doesn't have the support of any significant number of Texans, so it's silly to use him as an example of modern Texan politics.

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    1. Re:Christ, people, he's from Corpus! by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      it's silly to use him as an example of modern Texan politics.

      You're absolutely right.

      Let's use Bush, instead.

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    2. Re:Christ, people, he's from Corpus! by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      it's silly to use him as an example of modern Texan politics.
      You're absolutely right. Let's use Bush, instead.
      Nope, Bush is not Texas' problem anymore. Thanks to the Red States he is EVERYONE'S problem now!
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  14. But that would require a free market! by FatSean · · Score: 1

    And all the conservative, mid-western corn farmers HATE a free market. It's like that hated communism. Oh wait...

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  15. It won't work (or rather it will) by hal2814 · · Score: 1

    There's many a state right now gnashing their teeth over the almost universal jump in tobacco taxes a few years ago. They claimed that they were raising those taxes to get people to quit smoking. Well it worked and now they're complaining that they're not getting as much tax revenue from cigarettes. Sin taxes don't work because they do work. If you raise the tax high enough, a lot of people will drop the "sin."

    Also, if you put a $10000 tax on abortions in the state of Texas, people WILL leave Texas to get abortions. A much smarter method would be to tax it such that it's not worth leaving the state for.

    1. Re:It won't work (or rather it will) by SoCalChris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you raise the tax high enough, a lot of people will drop the "sin."

      Actually, I doubt many people drop the sin. Instead, they will look for illegal, and cheaper alternatives. It's happened with cigarrettes, people are trying to buy them online, or from indian reservations where the taxes aren't charged.

      Also, I personally don't agree with abortions, but a $10k tax is NOT the way to get rid of them. Yeah, a lot of people will leave Texas to get them, but a lot of people will go to illegal places, and get an unsafe one, or try to give themselves one.

    2. Re:It won't work (or rather it will) by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Actually, I doubt many people drop the sin. Instead, they will look for illegal, and cheaper alternatives.

      Indeed. Anytime there is prohibition (or something is made unreasonalbe to possess by unreasonable means) there will be a black market. Taxing abortion may not make people wanting the procedure to go over the border but rather seek out "back alley" methods.

      We see the blackmarket drug trade has done. We simply need to find an easier/cheaper way to obtain what they want.

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    3. Re:It won't work (or rather it will) by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      There's many a state right now gnashing their teeth over the almost universal jump in tobacco taxes a few years ago. They claimed that they were raising those taxes to get people to quit smoking. Well it worked and now they're complaining that they're not getting as much tax revenue from cigarettes.

      Meanwhile, in Ireland, they imposed a tax a few years ago of fifteen cents on every plastic carrier bag provided by stores to their customers.

      Just about every bugger in the country immediately switched to reusing their existing bags, and / or got themselves durable shopping bags rather than counting on getting some at the store when needed.

      Result? The government in Dublin gets practically nothing in revenue from this tax. However, the Irish countryside and landfills are remarkably free from discarded plastic bags. Which was, of course, the idea in the first place...

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  16. Idiot. by grub · · Score: 1


    Locke, a rancher and builder from Corpus Christi, favors a 50% tax on violent games, as well as a $10,000 tax per abortion and a 10% levy on sweetened soft drinks.

    And these taxes would go to where... general revenue? And as for abortion laws: no uterus, no vote.

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    1. Re:Idiot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what? that's one of the stupidest things i've ever seen. what does uterus have to do with abortion? you don't abort the uterus. you don't take out someone's uterus when they have an abortion. you're retarded. seriously a baby is formed from a man and a woman not just a woman so it can't be just voted on by woman

    2. Re:Idiot. by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're a male, guaranteed. Trying to dictate what a woman can do with her body.

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    3. Re:Idiot. by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      The converse of your arguement is true, then? I suppose you'll have no issue with telling me how to use my body.

      So, how soon will it be okay for me to whip it out and start whacking on the street?

    4. Re:Idiot. by Bassman59 · · Score: 1
      "that's one of the stupidest things i've ever seen. what does uterus have to do with abortion?"

      Dude, YOU'RE the idiot.

      "No uterus, no vote" means if you don't have a uterus, you don't get to decide what the person with the uterus can do with her body.

    5. Re:Idiot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it an 'either-or' situation? The converse does not hold true.

    6. Re:Idiot. by skadus · · Score: 1

      So (assuming you're female, judging from comment) hypothetically you have sex and get pregnant. It's a product of your egg and his sperm. You don't want it, you abort it.

      Does this mean he has absolutely no say in the matter because it's your body? Even though genetically half of the thing growing inside you is his, 100% of the decision is yours?

      I'm pro-choice, but in a situation like that, if I were the father, I'd want to have at least some input, even if you had the final say on the matter.

      Granted, what I'm talking about has little to do with laws on the matter, but still.

  17. Well, given that he cites the Founding Fathers... by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... and given that he thinks it's a good idea to tax nonintoxicating beverages, I'd suggest he put a largish tax on tea.

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  18. Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by AEther141 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Quelle suprise. A republican reels out an illogical, unjust and morally oppressive proposition to tax people who don't fit into their puritanical world view. I just hope anyone calling the republicans a party in favour of low tax and fairness feels a jolt of ridiculousness from now on - they're simply religious fundamentalists trying to impose their fairy-tale morals on the rest of us, lying closer to the new islamist parties of the middle east than anyone else. From the grassroots to the very top they're a bunch of mindless, populist, reactionary and authoritarian asshats.

    1. Re:Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the grassroots to the very top they're a bunch of mindless, populist, reactionary and authoritarian asshats.

      Yeah, because the Gores and Clintons of the world dont want to ban violent video games, objectionable lyrics and legal firearm ownership. Man, how liberal, how open minded. These people want for you to exercise your freedoms to their fullest!

    2. Re:Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Go read the article about partisan thinking that was posted earlier today.

      I certainly hope this guy doesn't win the republican primary. This guy's views on taxation don't match the traditional republican views on taxation. This guy seems more like a Ralph Nader who found Jesus.

      As a fiscal conservative, and an old-school Republican, I say you can take these bottom feeding new conservatives and fire them out of a cannon so we can get back to the stuff that matters instead of evangelizing. I know a large number of other republicans, maybe even half, agree... It's just that the current guys we've got aren't bad enough to justify electing liberal democrats. It's way easier to fix the stuff guys like this do than it is to eliminate huge social programs after they've been around a while.

      What we really need are some moderates. I haven't seen one on my ballot recently though...

    3. Re:Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by thesnarky1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmm... another "typical" knee-jerk reaction, huh? Word to the wise, not all republicans support this guy. In fact, I'm finding it hard to find people that *do*. Oh, and I wonder how you can call me a religious fundamentalist when you don't know me. Nor have I ever tried to push my morals on you. So please, when you judge idiots like this, don't take them for their party, take them for their own damn self.

    4. Re:Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by Atzanteol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A republican reels out an illogical, unjust and morally oppressive proposition to tax people who don't fit into their puritanical world view.

      unlike the democrats who like taxes on smoking and other 'sins'. Or the Democrats in Massachusetts who were pushing taxes on 'unhealthy' foods (which would include sweet drinks).

      Stupiditiy exists on both sides of the aisle my friend.

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      "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"

      - Charles Darwin
    5. Re:Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by AEther141 · · Score: 0

      Funny you guys assume I'm a liberal and then accuse me of partisan thinking. I'm a Libertarian, I think both your main parties are hopeless, but the Republicans are just insane. Were I a US citizen I'd readily vote for the Democrats just to get rid of that chimp, but I'll readily admit that the Democrats will be little better and likely worse in a few areas (namely gun control and tax for the more productive). For the moment my main concerns are WWIII kicking off over Iran's nuclear programme and the blatant and vicious persecution of dark folks and weirdos on US soil. IMHO in areas where it really matters and in the immediate future the Democrats are an incalculably better bet than the Republicans, but either side would be some sort of hell for me. If I were an American I'd be getting the hell out while I still can, using my absentee ballot to vote for the lesser evil and campaigning for libertarian issues (although not the libertarian party at a national level).

    6. Re:Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by Forbman · · Score: 1

      blatant and vicious persecution of dark folks and weirdos on US soil

      To be honest, most of this persecution you speak of is not happening on US soil, unless you count the sands of Iraq as US soil.

    7. Re:Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarian is pretty liberal. Just saying.

    8. Re:Shock: Republican says "tax anyone but me". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incumbent Rick Perry has strong support. I think this guy doesn't stand a chance.

  19. Greater Effects by sc0ttyb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if this guy realizes just how many game development houses are currently based in Texas. Taxing violent games into oblivion would most likely force a lot of these developers to relocate, thus losing directly and indirectly associated jobs, future investment, and well, it's just a dick thing to do.

    I bet this'll go over really, really well. Lmaonade.

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    1. Re:Greater Effects by rabiddeity · · Score: 0

      Not just that, but how many of these game development houses consume massive amounts of caffeinated sweet beverages?

  20. A $10,000 tax on abortions and you focus on games? by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about fact that this suggestion effectively make abortion unavailable to the poor in the state of Texas?

    This proposal is a raft of bullshit intended to get votes from Christian conservatives and frightened, reactionary idiots. And no doubt, one significant purpose of this proposal is a backdoor attempt to make abortion unavailable de facto to one segment of the population.

    Pro- or anti- abortion, don't ignore the important issue - the videogame tax is a minor part of the significance of the proposal.

  21. Tax on the sale, or the creation? by iainl · · Score: 1

    Who, after those loveable Scots at RockStar North is probably the world's best known/infamous developer of violent videogames?

    Why, that would be the guys at id.

    Add them to all the other developers based in the Austin and Houston areas, and he's talking about driving a pretty reasonable amount of taxpaying out of the area. Is this even vaguely a good idea for the state economy?

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  22. Obvious political asshattery by Churla · · Score: 1

    I also live in Texas, I also have never heard of this loony. I am not sold on the Kinky Friedman movement as some are here. (Most of those people live around his stomping grounds in the more liberal areas of the state.) My personal bet is we're going to get a moderate republican in the next election via support of the bible belt, but being centrist enough to pull in some urban population support.
    Maybe we should tax politicians under the "tax things we want less of" approach. Slap a yearly ding on any funds held by any political party.

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    I'm a fiscal conservative, it's a pity we don't have a political party anymore
    1. Re:Obvious political asshattery by cornface · · Score: 1

      My personal bet is we're going to get a moderate republican in the next election via support of the bible belt, but being centrist enough to pull in some urban population support.

      We're going to get motherfucking Rick Perry again. There's no point in pretending otherwise, unless it is to make it easier to sleep without being overcome by night terrors.

  23. Re:A $10,000 tax on abortions and you focus on gam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Under O'Connor this would be considered an unconstitional hurdle for abortion. Under Alito ... well, let's just say that I'm glad this freak is so far out he makes Guv Goodhair (er -- Rick Perry) look genuinely sane.

    I think it's time for the Dems and the Kinkster to clear the decks for Carole Keeton Strayhorn, now running as an Independent. She's about as good as they can hope to get down here.

  24. Re:A $10,000 tax on abortions and you focus on gam by iainl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm _hoping_ that people are thinking like I did, which is that a $10,000 tax on abortions will mean that a few people will cross state borders once.

    People don't tend to get abortions terribly often, and $10,000 is such a ludicrous amount that he's just forcing people to go out-of-state in a piece of legislation that wouldn't last five minutes, it's so obviously an anti-abortion law by the backdoor.

    However, an extra $25 on the price of a game is going to either get paid, or just make Amazon a shedload of cash as everyone orders online - it's not exactly worth a trip to Louisiana each time you want one there.

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    "I Know You Are But What Am I?"
  25. I can't express how much this pisses me off. by Xiver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a very conservative guy, in fact I'm 33 year old software developing, video game playing, gun toting, SUV driving, soda drinking, Jesus freak with a black belt, three daughters, a wife, and a mortgage who would like nothing more than peace on earth in my lifetime. I've played 'violent' video games since there were 'violent' video games. I don't really care for the Grand Theft Auto type of video games, but I've played a couple of them and I don't think I've been warped. I can understand people's frustration with that type of game because it glorifies crime, but guess what, so do %80 of the movies that come out of Hollywood. Almost all video games could be considered violent. Look at Pacman, that weird yellow cannibal that runs around eating 'power pellets' to make him powerful enough to kill the 'ghosts'. Just because someone enjoys playing FPS's, MMORPGs, or other violent games does not mean that they are going to pick up a gun and go on a rampage for laughs. This guy is clueless.

              Property taxes in Texas are a little ridiculous, but my daughters will receive a much better public education than I did because of them. If he really wants to do something good for Texas he would be proposing that the borders be properly patrolled. Maybe he should tax illegal immigration. He certainly won't get my vote or any of the other 'conservative' people that I know.

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    1. Re:I can't express how much this pisses me off. by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      If he really wants to do something good for Texas he would be proposing that the borders be properly patrolled. Maybe he should tax illegal immigration.
      I live about 90 miles from the Mexican border and nothing good will come from increased border patrols. Right now more patrols in South Texas will mean that the area is going to become more and more of a police state.
       
      The major problems are two-fold, illegal immigration and drug trafficking. Both are basic economic problems with simple solutions. Either you decrease demand (hiring fewer illegal immigrants or using fewer illegal drugs) or you increase supply (work permits for Mexican immigrants and legalization of drugs).
       
      The U.S. refuses to decrease demand and attempts at restricting supply are futile, so the solution is obviously to come up with some system of work permits and legalizing drugs to solve both of those problems. But no, neo-conservatives want to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. I think that it is funny that conservative icon Ronald Reagan fought to tear down the Berlin Wall while the neo-cons want to build one of their own!
       
      Think about it, if you register immigrants and take their contact info and fingerprints you can monitor their activities much easier than you can now. They are here to take jobs that most Americans refuse to do and they pay rent, buy food and pay sales and income taxes while they are here. Why not make them valuable members of the system instead of marginalizing and victimizing them just because they want to work.
       
      As far as drugs, if the "War on Drugs" is any indication, the "War on Terror" is never going to end and Americans better be prepared to lose more and more of their civil liberties in the process...
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    2. Re:I can't express how much this pisses me off. by Xiver · · Score: 1

      You are so wrong it hurts. There is a system already in place for people to immigrate into the U.S. There is also a system already in place for people to come and work here. What makes you think that your imaginary system will be any different? What makes you think these people are going to pay taxes?
      Contact info? Fingerprints? My God man, you're living in a fantasy world!

      We aren't trying to keep people from crossing the U.S. / Mexico border, which includes the drug smugglers. The U.S. government is too afraid to have a border conflict. The border patrol agents have their hands tied. They have been giving instructions to let people get away. It's a joke and it needs to be corrected.

      The Berlin wall was to keep citizens from fleeing. Patrolling the U.S. Mexico border is to keep criminals out. Take your shell game somewhere else.

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  26. It's obvious to me... by killmenow · · Score: 1

    He must be ignoring the facts.

  27. Re:A $10,000 tax on abortions and you focus on gam by kidcharles · · Score: 1

    I agree that this more offensive part of his proposal is the abortion tax, but that's not really Slashdot-worthy. This does however expose how seemingly unrelated issues (video game censorship and women's rights) aren't so unrelated at all.

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  28. Hypocrite by inajamaica · · Score: 0

    "I take the position that the Founding Fathers took: that the power to tax is the power to destroy..."

    Taxing the video game publishers 50% will destroy them, or @ least some of their titles. These leaders that want to obliterate don't even make sense.

  29. Re:A $10,000 tax on abortions and you focus on gam by 706GL · · Score: 1

    One of the theories of Freakonomics
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X/ref=pd _bbs_null_1/002-8602761-4144069?v=glance&n=283155
    is that abortion has had the single largest affect on reducing crime in the US in the 1990's. Offensive, but interesting.

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  30. Texas gave us Dubya... by symbolic · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    So is this any surprise?

    1. Re:Texas gave us Dubya... by octalman · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Connecticut gave you Dubya. His poppa brought him to Texas 'cuz there was a load of money to be made in the oil fields. Where did poppa go to retire: Maine. These folks aren't Texans. Never were, aren't, never will be.
       
      I just about choked a couple of days ago when an interviewer called George W. a rancher. Yeah, right. BTW, I'm a fifth-generation Texan and our family have been ranching in Texas for well over 100 years.
       
      And, no, I'm not a Demmycrap.

    2. Re:Texas gave us Dubya... by scheming+daemons · · Score: 1
      Wrong. Connecticut gave you Dubya. His poppa brought him to Texas 'cuz there was a load of money to be made in the oil fields. Where did poppa go to retire: Maine. These folks aren't Texans. Never were, aren't, never will be.

      Yeah... well.. you were the ones that put him in office.. twice... before sicking him on the rest of the world.

      If you would've defeated him in Texas, he probably never would've run for President.

      While Connecticut is where Dubya was born... it was Texas that foisted him on the American public.

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      "I have as much authority as the pope, I just
      don't have as many people who believe it" - George Carlin

  31. Re: Kinky Texan by Reverend+Darkness · · Score: 2, Informative
    The sad part is that Kinky is a "common-sense" kinda guy, which is why he'll never get elected.

    In his words:

    "I'm for prayer in school, and for gay marriage. I'm the only candidate that is for both prayer in schools and gay marriage, and that in itself is a reason to vote for me."

    All I know is he is the only candidate actually talking about border protection right now.

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  32. Re: Kinky Texan by bahwi · · Score: 1
  33. sell game PG, free M download by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    PG-rated game, $60 + normal sales tax. = $65
    M-rated free mod: $0 + 50% violent game tax = $0
    Total cost: $65
    Taxes: $5

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  34. Taxation never makes sense..... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

    If they can, they will tax anything with little reason other then "People won't buy it as often when it's to expensive" to cover up them just using it as a money tree. Really though. Taxation is needed to keep the government running, but most taxation targets like these serve no purpose other then to further their own political wants (like abortion) and get money, even if half the country may not agree.

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    In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
  35. Re: Kinky Texan by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

    "prayer in school" is an ambiguous position. Does he mean it's ok for students to pray on their own, personal time in school or does he support school-supported coerced prayer?

  36. At least.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least he makes it easy to know I never need to vote for him. Most candidates have many issues, so you have to juggle the plusses and the minuses.

    Not this guy - he's a wackjob.

    (oh, and to the guy who said, basically, 'what kind of idiot wants to tax things he wants to destroy' - easy, our current goverment. They don't want people smoking, but tax the F out of it)

  37. The problem is in the title... by ArmedStupidity · · Score: 0

    Politican From Texas.... Those idiotic Southern politicians always propose the stupidest things. Jack Thompson, Orrin Hatch, now this guy and his useless taxes. Why do all these politicians and lawyers blame video games and the Internet for the degrading societal condition that America finds itself in, instead of our failing morals and lack of common sense?

    1. Re:The problem is in the title... by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      Those idiotic Southern politicians always propose the stupidest things. ... Orrin Hatch
      I did not know that Utah was considered part of the South!
       
      I wonder why is it that so many citizens of the U.S. have problems with geography?
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    2. Re:The problem is in the title... by octalman · · Score: 1

      The last time I checked, Utah was kinda north of Arizona -- and west of Colorado. Did somebody move it while I wasn't paying attention?
       
      Hatch was Senior Senior from Utah for many years. I think he has a place in Wyoming now.
       
      Idiotic legislation is hardly confined to the South. I don't know whether it's still on the books, but Indiana used to have a law defining pi as 3-1/7. There are tons of others, all over the world.

    3. Re:The problem is in the title... by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Socio-culturally (and politically these days) the Rocky Mountain states are part of the south due to immigration patterns after the Civil War. That would include Utah but their theocratic tendencies make it a little worse.

  38. Answer: by thesnarky1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know, I only plan on buying one bullet, and after I do he won't be asking for any new taxes.

  39. Madness by catahoula10 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "institute new taxes on abortion providers, soft drinks, and violent video games to fund the state's government."

    Sin taxes. More sin taxes.
    How did we get to a point in America where such a small number of people are allowed to decide for the larger number of people what is and is not a sin?
    Some have tried to tax assorted food items as sin. Some have already sin-taxed alcohol and tobacco. What will be next if this is allowed to continue?

    How about watching specific television programs, will that be taxed also? Will anything that is controversial to some be taxed? Maybe religion? Will going to church be considered a sin by some and get that taxed too? It boils down to wanting to curtail the behavior or the activities that they find objectionable with taxes; therby by-passing the legal processes.

    Abortion is a privacy issue as current law states.
    Video games are a right to speech as current law applies
    SoftDrinks Whats next? Will everything we eat and drink that some find questionable be taxed?

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    1. Re:Madness by TwoScoopsOfPig · · Score: 1

      The candidate is, after all, a Republican. A moron, but a Republican (For all you Republicans out there, I am very much a liberal, and am also generalizing like mad. Please excuse.), and he has the "Christian morals and decency" bit to uphold.

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    2. Re:Madness by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Say instead that he is a "Church Republican" or "Dixiecrat" to separate him from the run of the mill "Wallet Republican' or "Country Club Republican" or "Plutocrat"

  40. He found the missing "?" by Rufus88 · · Score: 1

    1) I own lots of property.
    2) I buy no video games.
    3) ?
    4) Profit!

  41. Candidate Locke.... by ShecoDu · · Score: 1

    Is he a thief or a treasure hunter?

  42. So who defines what is violent? by thaerin · · Score: 1

    Besides the pure and utter idiocy of a tax system such as this, one main concern I'd have is who decides if a game is or isn't violent? Sure, titles such as GTA, Half Life 2, or DOOM 3 would easily be targets due to the amount of blood shown, but somebody in the wrong frame of mind could extend it to include racing games or worse. After all, in most the racing games, Burn Out 3 comes to mind, you actually get points for ramming into other racers and causing massive pile-ups. I'm sure that principle could potentially be seen by some folks as violent and as such they'd slap it with a tax.

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    1. Re:So who defines what is violent? by Forbman · · Score: 1

      ...as I recall, "America's Army" is free. How exactly do you tax a free application? 50% of 0 is still $0.00.

      Is Flight Simulator a violent game when you're bored and just crashing your cessna into the Sears Tower?

    2. Re:So who defines what is violent? by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1
      Besides the pure and utter idiocy of a tax system such as this, one main concern I'd have is who decides if a game is or isn't violent?


      First off, let's define violent. My definition includes Chess, Checkers, and other simple board games as they primairly involve defeating enemy units. You will note that my definition is correct in one sense - as Chess and Checkers abstract this violence by having those units "Captured".

      A more standard definition counts the number of red pixels. This obviously excludes games such as Chess and Checkers. However, Battle Chess (where piece-capturing shows an animation) will not be available in the taxed area, since nobody in their right mind will pay $120 for a game of chess.

      Based in this alone, any person who has a basic knowledge of the first admendment will know why this is a bad law - and there are many people who play video games.

      I'm sure that principle could potentially be seen by some folks as violent and as such they'd slap it with a tax.


      Lets look at another way of thinking - Doom 3, UT2K4, and Half-Life 2 are "engine" games. That's an extra 100% tax just to develop or even play MetaBall. You could try using other engines out there (Ha! Good luck...), although this will merely slow down production of such games as you have to search for them, decide which one is best when there isn't any field-testing of the engine, etc.

  43. Too leniant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's hit them hard!! Let them produce violent video games but give the death penalty to anyone who plays it!

  44. who's on who's side by mr_typo · · Score: 1

    No worries, pepsi & coca-cola lobbyist will be out there defending the right to play violent games and for all income levels to have equal access to abortion.

  45. Showy piety correlates with simple-mindedness by ianscot · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Ah, there is the epitome of sustainable government taxation: tax things you want to destroy.

    In general, don't you find that conspicuously pious posturing and an inability to think through consequences go hand in hand?

    Seriously. This guy is probably a so-called "small government" conservative, too, but he has no problem with the idea of government regulating which video games are violent, and which aren't quite violent enough, to require his new tax.

    At least with tobacco and alcohol, which are the classic models for this, you can make the case that the tax money partly addresses problems created by the "sin" in question. Don't even get me started on the abortion side of this. That's unreal. (If you're pro-life, do you really want an idiot like this on your side? Work on Roe V. Wade, whatever, but a $10,000 tax? That's just dumb, and would be about as legal as Jim Crow poll taxes.)

    The problem's with the folks what elected this bumpkin. Note to American voters: if you're looking for a good, decent person to hold office, try finding someone who actually struggles with moral questions, rather than someone who claims they're easy to decided on for reasons of religious faith or whatever. People who think moral questions are easy are either a) of Godlike divinity; or b) on the wrong side of those questions, but wearing a nice white robe because it gets them power. And I'm fairly sure this guy isn't divine.

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    1. Re:Showy piety correlates with simple-mindedness by Spaceman40 · · Score: 1

      He's not in office yet (check the summary), and I hope he won't get elected... Reduce the faith in Texas voters even further below where it currently is.

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    2. Re:Showy piety correlates with simple-mindedness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never even heard of the guy. Most likely, he's just running his mouth to try and win some cheap fame and air time to beat out the Republican party schism (in the form of Strayhorn dropping the party to run against it as an independent) or Kinky Friedman, who is a one-man publicity storm all by himself.

    3. Re:Showy piety correlates with simple-mindedness by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      In general, don't you find that conspicuously pious posturing and an inability to think through consequences go hand in hand?

      No, I find those crazy left-wingers just as inable to think as those on the right.

      That's government.

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    4. Re:Showy piety correlates with simple-mindedness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I find those crazy left-wingers just as inable to think as those on the right.

      Wait, how do you get from "pious posturing" to "right-wing"? I see left-wingers posturing piously all the time. They might not quote the Bible as often as the right, but socialism has all the same attributes of religion - simple "solutions" to complex problems. I think we're agreeing violently here. You shouldn't be so quick to assume that a criticism of politicians is aimed at one side exclusively - there are plenty of us out here who hate the whole stupid lot!

    5. Re:Showy piety correlates with simple-mindedness by ianscot · · Score: 1
      We know where you stand, obviously, but I didn't say one party, or end of the political spectrum, was guilty of this. What I said was that people who posed as being particularly pious usually weren't thinking ahead very well.

      Applies to the left and the right. There's no shortage of posing moral crusaders on either end, is there?

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  46. Re: Kinky Texan by Reverend+Darkness · · Score: 2, Interesting
    He supports the student's right to pray in school and/or be part of an organized group for the purpose of worship and prayer.

    Currently there are movements to completely ban any and all reference to any and all religion from public schools, while others are trying to get 'intelligent design' included in the curriculum. I personally think that they are both wrong.

    Prayer and religion (or lack thereof) should be up to the student, not up to the school.

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  47. Two words: by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

    "Also ran."

    Dig hard enough and you can find a candidate for any elected office in the United States that will say anything you can imagine. It will be news when this person gets more than 2% of the vote.

  48. Balance in determination of taxed video games by Grumpy+Troll · · Score: 1
    The candidate told the Globe News he would create a 10-member panel to determine which games are violent.
    Can it be expected that he will appoint panel members with views on violence in video games differing from his? Not much balance can be hoped for if those who decide on which games are to be taxed adhere to Jack Thompson's viewpoint.
  49. Re:What about taxing the things we can't live with by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or an open-air barbeque license. They say you can't breathe the air in Texas and still claim to be a vegetarian what with all the meat particles from backyard barbequeing. There's gotta be tax revenue in that.

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  50. Rest of U.S. wants violent Texans tax by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

    starting with the president.

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    1. Re:Rest of U.S. wants violent Texans tax by Swisssushi · · Score: 1

      You know, I remember when Texas was the free thinking, free speaking, maverick state. Now it's the laughing stock of the country. I am a native Texan and miss the days when Texas was a respected and admired place to live. I blame George Bush and the gigantic increase in influence of the mega churches built on a foundation of greed and a culture centered around charismatic narrow minded leaders. Most of the native Texans I know really want government out of thier personal lives. I'm not sure where the busy body types who like these kinds of ideas and politicians come from. Maybe they're alien invaders bent on taking over Texas so when Elvis comes back from his homeworld, there will be a state full of agreeable sheeple to serve him peanut butter and bacon sandwiches. I shudder to think they're native born.

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    2. Re:Rest of U.S. wants violent Texans tax by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

      I dunno, no offense man but I lived in TX for a while in the early 80s and it was a shithole then too.

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  51. Re:Well, given that he cites the Founding Fathers. by Rac3r5 · · Score: 0

    actually tea contains caffine, so it would be considered an intoxicating beverage.. lol

  52. strayhorn by Displaced+Cajun · · Score: 1
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    Executive ability is deciding quickly and getting someone else to do the work. --John G. Pollard
  53. Make them read legislation before it's signed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  54. I see bumper stickers... by TwoScoopsOfPig · · Score: 1

    ... "I play Halo... and I vote!!"

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    #include <beer.h>
  55. Texas can ... by Bassman59 · · Score: 1

    secede from the US. Good fuckin' riddance. Maybe they can move Austin to Arizona.

    1. Re:Texas can ... by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      And we're STILL fighting the Civil War, just without guns.

  56. Re:sugar by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

    How about Congress stop putting in price supports for sugar? This is one of the most blatently corrupt practices in politics today.
    http://www.opensecrets.org/pubs/cashingin_sugar/su gar00.html
    http://www.greenscissors.org/agriculture/sugar.htm

  57. Intolerable Acts by speedy.carr · · Score: 1

    I don't know if this rings true with anybody else, but it seems to me that putting taxes on all of these things is similar to the way the British government was forcing taxes on the colonists in America in the days before the revolution. Maybe it's just my attempt to draw parallels between two groups that I didn't agree with.

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  58. Re:A $10,000 tax on abortions and you focus on gam by eaolson · · Score: 1
    How about fact that this suggestion effectively make abortion unavailable to the poor in the state of Texas?

    Gosh, I'm sure that never occured to him.

    His website is great, though. Much of the text appears to have been written by someone with no more than an 8th grade education. He particularly does not seem to understand the correct use of CAPITAL LETTERS or "quotes,"

    ISLAM is NOT a religion but a Virus

    The ATHLETIC BOARD shall set minimum Physical fitness work out programs for all TEXAS SCHOOLS with 2 hour minimum P.E. daily classes for all students.

    Fact is we need to STOP TAKING ANY MORE APPLICATIONS for immigration into the U.S. for at least the next 10 years. We need to "clean house" before we need any more immigrants.......if ever. Any new applicants inside our borders need to go home.

    At least he's a mildly entertaining nut.

  59. Why is this on Slashdot? by indytx · · Score: 1
    Enough with the sensationalism. Some rancher with wacky, reactionary ideas running for the Republican nomination in Texas is not news. There is a sitting Republican governor, Rick Perry, who will get the Republican nomination. The current Republican State Comptroller, Carol Keaton Strayhorn, is running as an independant to avoid splitting the Republican party. Kinky Friedman, the homorist-writer-musician, is also running as an independant.

    An article from a newspaper in Amarillo about a rancher from Corpus Christi is not news.

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  60. one word by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Die.

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  61. Re: Kinky Texan by Chowderbags · · Score: 1

    No one has said that students can't pray to themselves, and it would be an obvious violation of the first ammendment if they couldn't. That's not to say that they can be disruptive of class and pray loudly, nor can they bully other kids into praying. However, a kid or a group of kids who feel like getting together on their own time can't be regulated to stop prayer. Beyond that, organized Bible study groups can't be denied a right to form unless the school bans all other clubs. Read about the Feberal Equal Access Act: http://www.religioustolerance.org/equ_acce.htm . Schools can't prevent kids from forming a Christian group, a Muslim group, a Hindu group, a Wicca group, or an Atheist group, all for the same reason they couldn't prevent kids from forming a stamp or a chess club.

  62. Re:only in america... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

    Yeah, your elected officials are freaking geniuses. Tool.

  63. Re: Kinky Texan by w1ll0w · · Score: 1

    I could be wrong on this but I thought any expression of Christianity was banned from public schools. Including clothing that mentions Jesus and crosses. I could be totally wrong on this. I know there are always lawsuits going on against these expressions, and that means little except inconvenience and money to a lawyer to fight it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

  64. Re: Kinky Texan by Chowderbags · · Score: 1

    You are wrong. Unless the student is wearing clothing that is disruptive to the learning process, than there's nothing the school can do. I'd hardly see "Jesus saves" as disruptive, and I'm an atheist. Likewise, a pentacle, the Wiccan symbol, can be displayed, and it would be unconstitutional to ban it. Even if there's a distruption, it has nothing to do with the symbol, it has to do with the ignorance and intolerance of the individuals who don't like it. Would a pentagram be legal? I'd wager a guess that it is, since likewise, the symbol itself doesn't do anything, and just because some people may not like it, it doesn't mean that the school can trample on the first ammendment. Would it fly in court? Well, the south probably wouldn't see a problem with banning the pentagram, however the north would. Would the Supreme Court? Well, given the way it looks like it's going to go, it might be a sad time.

    The only people in school that are prohibited from displaying religious clothing are teachers and staff, under the basis that they are acting as reprisentatives of the state, and thus cannot diplay their faith while working. This, however, doesn't prevent them from wearing a religious necklace, so long as it's tucked into their shirt.

    This is all fairly firm case law, all based in the first ammendment.

  65. actually no by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    See, if you succeed in destroying the taxed items, then you have no tax base

    that "sin taxes" (at least those which could destroy the items they tax) are often so difficult to collect that the government doesn't earn a bit on them. they are only there to steer the popular behavour.

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    Conservatism: The fear that somewhere, somehow, someone you think is your inferior is being treated as your equal.
  66. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  67. A Republican Governor Candidate in Texas???? by grgcombs · · Score: 1

    There is no such thing as a Republican candidate for governor in Texas at the moment. The Republicans are nominating the current Governor Rick Perry to continue as the Republican spot on the ticket. Any other "Republican" candidates either aren't candidates in any upcoming election or aren't really Republican.

    The only other likely *conservative* candidate for governor is Mary Kate Ashley Rylander Strayhorn Carol Keeton Boutros Shazbot ... she's like the comptroller right now, and since she can't compete for the Republican seat against Rick Perry she's trying to get on the ballot as an independent ... notoriously difficult to do in Texas but instigated by the expected success of independent hopeful Kinky Freidman.

    Greg

  68. sounds like a good plan by LKM · · Score: 1
    1. Replace sexual education with "abstinence" and bible classes
    2. Tax abortions
    3. Profit!

    Sounds like a good plan... if you're an asshole.

  69. seriously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And as for abortion laws: no uterus, no vote.

    i've had a hysterectomy, you insensitive clod.

  70. Re:A $10,000 tax on abortions and you focus on gam by RexRhino · · Score: 1

    Sure, he is making abortion illegal by taxing it to the point where it is effectivly illegal.

    However, would you also be as upset if as some politicians have tried to do that we put a $10,000 tax on guns (and hence, pricing them into essentially being illegal)?

    That is the problem... everyone is willing to use the aparatus of the government in order to enforce their own agenda. Are you against this because it is an abuse of government power, or because the agenda is different than your? For most people, it is the latter.

  71. Re: Kinky Texan by w1ll0w · · Score: 1

    My bad, I thought it was the students that were banned as well from freedom of religion. And I did some reading and it looks like the courts held up that student run religious groups were okay. But I seem to remember that the schools wouldn't help at all. Which some people thought was a problem because other clubs like the chess club do get backing from the school. Also, I've lived in the south for a year and a half and just recently moved back to California. It's not as bad as we think. I thought it would be horrible. Texas rules. The people are nicer, housing is affordable and the cost of living is much less. There's also the education thing. It's 10 times better than here. My daughter is already getting dumber with the school systems here. There's going to be a lot of smart Texans and dumb Californians soon. It's amazing though, no state tax, only a slightly higher sales tax and higher property tax. The property tax doesn't matter much because the houses are valued less. Yet their government seems to be doing great, with a lot of money going to schools and public services. Oh well, shows how government corruption can hurt the people. The only thing California has on them is weather. I'm assuming your concern is over the supreme court nominee Judge Alito, I wouldn't be if I were you, at least he knows that the courts are supposed to interpret law and not make them. This should be good enough to evaluate evidence and make an informed decision. This stuff matters little in this day and age. It's been going down hill for 30 something years and no light at the end of the tunnel can be seen.

  72. Actual text of the act by evilmrhenry · · Score: 1

    The following is taken from Star Locke's site at:
    http://www.starovertexas.com/family_security_and_p rotection_act.html (NSFW: dead baby picture)
    Interestingly, the relevant sections do not parse. I beleve that the bolded section provides for just doubling the sales tax:
    This COMMISSION shall levy a 100% of price sales cost tax for the sale on all item listed below:

    THE FAMILY SECURITY & PROTECTION ACT

    An act promoting family security and safety by putting certain dangerous actions and dangerous products out of the reach of children thereby keeping our most precious blood--our children out of "HARMS WAY." Further this act put certain items out of the reach of government. By using a tool given to us by our founding fathers we hereby effect or families and their security. James Madison taught us, "the power to tax is the power to destroy". By utilizing this tool handed down to us by our founding fathers, we strive to promote the general welfare and protect our future security for ourselves and our posterity.

    BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE UNITED STATES:

    SECTION 1.

    [a] The FAMILY HOME SECURITY COMMISSION is established which duty it shall be to carry out and implement this ACT.

    [b] The COMMISSION shall establish the FAMILY HOME SECURITY ACCOUNT with funds coming from the EDUCATORS ACCOUNT under the authority of THE DEPOSIT AND RECYCLE ACT.

    SECTION 2.

    [a ] THE TEXAS ALCOHOLIC AND BEVERAGE COMMISSION IS HEREBY CLOSED and the enabling legislations is hereby rescinded.

    [b] The FAMILY HOME SECURITY COMMISSION shall take over all existing facilities presently owned or leased by the T.A.B.C. and shall make its own determinations as to any future facility location needs.

    [c] All TAX ON PRIVATE PROPERTY in TEXAS is hereby rescinded and repealed.

    RICK PERRY supports 3% tax increase annually
    10yrs = 30% over 30 year mortgage = 90% !!

    [d] The Annual renewal fees and/or taxes on already licensed vehicles, equipment, trailers and/or instruments of transportation of humans or goods is hereby rescinded and repealed.

    SECTION 3.

    [a] The TEXAS ATHLETIC BOARD shall be established within this commission and consist of 10 members appointed by the GOVERNOR with their terms running concurrently with the Governors term in office and who's duties it shall be to establish and operate a CODE OF EXCELLENCE for health and fitness requirements for all TEXAS SCHOOLS .

    [a] The ATHLETIC BOARD shall set minimum Physical fitness work out programs for all TEXAS SCHOOLS with 2 hour minimum P.E. daily classes for all students.

    [b] The ATHLETIC BOARD shall establish a High Protein Diet Nutrition Program that shall be instituted in all TEXAS Schools with the goal to [a] promote the physical fitness in each student. [b] to eliminate OBESITY and addictive behaviors in children and staff.

    [c] The ATHLETIC BOARD shall work with existing School Boards to implement the goals of this act.

    SECTION 4.

    [a] This COMMISSION shall levy a 100% of price sales cost tax for the sale on all item listed below:

    1 . any video game containing any form of human violence. .

    2. any machine, toy, or cd that uses or includes bodily harm of any human or human image its function or goa

  73. You forgot the third choice... by kingsmedley · · Score: 1


    People who think moral questions are easy are either a) of Godlike divinity; or b) on the wrong side of those questions, but wearing a nice white robe because it gets them power.

    There is also an option c: Steadfastly convinced that they possess Godlike divinity. IMHO, these are potentially some of the most dangerous people in the world.

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  74. Re:Well, given that he cites the Founding Fathers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brilliant. My hat's off to you, Sir or Madam, as the case may be.

  75. Re: Kinky Texan by el_chicano · · Score: 1
    Texas rules... It's amazing though, no state tax, only a slightly higher sales tax and higher property tax. The property tax doesn't matter much because the houses are valued less. Yet their government seems to be doing great, with a lot of money going to schools and public services.
    Seems that someone wasn't paying attention in school:
    Texas lawmakers also are working under the gun of a court order to fix the state's $30 billion education financing system, which was ruled unconstitutional last September.
     
    The Legislature and Republican Gov. Rick Perry failed to come up with an education plan during a special legislative session called by the governor last summer. So, last September, District Court Judge John Dietz threatened to shut down all schools if the Legislature does not act to replace the current school financing scheme by October 2005.
    ---
    Texas has struggled for years to correct inadequacies in its school financing system, which, like many states, depends heavily on local property taxes to fund education, a practice that is considered unfair to poorer communities.
     
    Any solution to Texas' school financing problem will involve a significant tax hike, which was the sticking point last summer and will prove a significant hurdle in the Republican-controlled Legislature.
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    Judge Dietz ruled that Texas's so-called "Robin Hood" school financing system, which attempts to equalize education funding by requiring wealthier districts to underwrite poorer districts, failed to generate enough money to meet state standards and was unconstitutional.
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    In the past 10 years, the state government's share of education funding has dropped from 68 percent to 38 percent, forcing local school districts to raise property taxes to compensate. Texas ranks 37th nationwide in per-capita education spending, but the state ranks dead last in the percentage of state funds spent on education.
     
    To keep up with inflation, nearly half of Texas' school districts have raised local property taxes to the maximum amount allowed under state law - $1.50 per $100 of property value. Although Texas's Constitution forbids a statewide property tax, Judge Dietz ruled that so many localities were at their maximum taxing power to support education that it was in effect a statewide property tax. The case is on appeal to the Texas Supreme Court, whose nine members all all Republican, but many say the chances are good the ruling will be upheld.
     
    Source: http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?site NodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15961
    The educational system here in Texas is seriously broken and anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously not done any research on the topic.
     
    As far as your daughter goes, if the schools are that bad in California then maybe you should consider paying extra to send her to private school...
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  76. Re: Kinky Texan by w1ll0w · · Score: 1

    I never read about this, but that is pretty bad. It seems weird that the schools are in that much trouble when the education seemed so much better there. I apologize for my ignorance. I was just going by what I have seen having had my daughter in schools in both states. We have considered private school for her, and believe me as soon as we are financially able to we will do it. I do agree with you that public schools aren't nearly as good as private ones. I've been to both and know the lack of educational value of public schools. This was 10+ years ago I could only imagine when my daughter reaches high school how it will be. In Texas they seem to care more about the 3 r's of education where as in California she gets home like doing jumping jacks and baking cookies. I am exaggerating there are some of the basics of education there but a lot of homework seems to be more for broken homes. Like doing projects together as a family. This is fine but it seems more like the agenda is more for teaching the parents how to be a family unit then educating the children.

  77. Re: Kinky Texan by Chowderbags · · Score: 1

    Being in public school, I can tell you that most classes that aren't AP generally don't do much. True, some teachers will care more than others, but most teachers don't, and thus not much is really learned. I've found that the best way to get someone to learn is to try to find something that interests them and build on that. I understand that it's impossible to please everyone, but I think that kids will learn more from being excited to learn. I can't tell you how much I've despised some of my classes before, but I can tell you that I didn't learn all that much from them. Likewise, I've had some great teachers for some classes that actually made it fun to learn, and it really does help. However, I think that the best situation is to have your kid find something they want to learn about outside of school, and then have them learn about it. The best teaching is usually that which is self done.

  78. Re:only in america... by Tom · · Score: 1

    Let's see...

    No.

    But they don't think they can catch any votes with a 12th century morale.

    Anecdote: There was this right-wing party leader in France. He was once seen watching a, let us say erotically liberal theatre piece. When confronted by journalists outside (already dreaming up headlines about his embarresment, I'm sure) and asked how he liked it, he simply replied that it was fairly good.

    In the US, you'd have Congress calling for a ban on all theaters as breeding pits of sin or something like that.

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  79. Re: Kinky Texan by iocat · · Score: 1

    How does Texas rank in testing scores? There is not necessarily a direct relationship between how much you spend, and how well you educate.

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  80. Names by octalman · · Score: 1

    The folks who have to deal with The Gov call him Good Hair Rick, I understand.

  81. Re:only in america... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1
    Example-based arguments are weak. There is much stupidity in France as well, where everyone goes on strike when asked to work more than 20 hours a weak. See, I can make idiotic generalizations too!

    Not to mention that there are well-supported far-right parties in Europe as well. Austria comes to mind.

  82. Re:only in america... by Tom · · Score: 1

    The example was not the argument, it was to support the argument. It appears you did not actually read the actual argument, which was the one with the number in it. :)

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  83. Re:only in america... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

    Then you should choose better examples and better arguments. What you allude to as your "argument" was a mindless, baseless, and incorrect ad hominem attack.

  84. Re: Kinky Texan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does Texas rank in testing scores?

    Last I heard, we were ranking near the bottom on the test scores too.