Okay, first of all the igp's in the motherboard's by themselves are awesome. But in the real world performance is always weaker with the integrated video no matter who makes them.
Even after developing a dual channel ddr memory system for there nforce mobo it still performed way below an nforce did with a separate geforce 2 mx card in the agp slot.
BUT for hardcore amd gamers the nforce has always been the best choice! When the 266 mhz fsb wars were going on nothing could beat a nforce mobo with a separate video card, namely the geforce 3.
Now it's fallen behind again due to the fact that newer mobos have memory clocks of 333 mhz but the new nforce2 should be able take the crown as the fastest amd motherboard around.
It's the distributing of CD's whether it's free or not that is illegal! That's how it is in the U.S. at least. The manufacturers of CD's may put in stuff to prevent copying but it's not illegal for backup purposes.
You know what... I'm getting tired of not so informative posts getting posted as such. The nforce which sported a Geforce2 MX core performed well below an actual geforce2 mx, in some cases running at 1/3rd the frame rate on games like Unreal Tournament and max payne.
Why? Just because these motherboards have the awesome graphics cores doesn't mean anything. They lack the dedicated high speed memory bandwidth that standalone cards have. Even with the dual channel ddr that nvidia used on there nforce the thing still performed like crap.
This is why the new nforce2 will come with a new model that doesn't include the igp.
Well if a dreamcast looks a lot better on a Monitor. A PS 2 and X-box definately should. But Sega's VGA adapter was a first party product so they had it in mind when developing the console.
Not sure if Sony or MS had it in mind but they probably look good on a monitor.
It came out one year earlier then the other guys. And in that year technology has improved greatly. To show you what difference this make here's what 5 years mean to console games (the time between ps 1 and ps 2).
PS 1 2 MB of System ram 1 MB of VRAM 33.3 mhz processor
PS 2 32 MB of system ram 16x increase 8 MB of video ram (might be four, it's smaller then it should be) 8x 300 Mhz Processor (it does a LOT more then a pentium 2 per clockcycle, this baby has more then 150 million transistors, p2's had around 40 million) 10x increase
Predictions for a system coming out one year later (notice i multiplied everything by.2 because this is a one year increase and not the full five years:
System memory 128 MB or 96 MB Calculations:.2X16X32= 102.4 MB
Video Memory 16 MB - 24 MB Calculations:.2X8X8= 12.8 MB My prediction is higher then the amount because the vram they used were priced much lower within a year.
Processor 600 MHZ (Remember this isn't a pentium but a video gaming graphics rendering beast. If the X-box chip ran at 300 mhz (runs at 750 mhz i believe - not sure) like the ps2 it's easy to imagine it lagging far behind the ps 2 in performance.
Ofcourse it'd still cost $300 now rather then $200. But if Sony didn't lower their price it's predictible that Microsoft wouldn't either. Microsoft's hardware would still be more expensive due to the hard drive.
Water cooling is not very easy... Can easily damage your circuits. Even if there is no leaks condensation can be a huge problem.
If they cand do it safely then this is an excellent product for those that can't or don't have the time to.
Also please don't spread this B.S. about $1000 dollars for the same things. It's simply not true when it comes to pc's. Usually you'll get cheap no name parts and you still won't get there.
Man... you people just don't know your console gaming history. The playstation sold by sony and the joint "add-on" for the SNES that Sony and Nintendo developed was rejected by Nintendo.
The only thing that the add-on had in common with the playstation was the fact that it had the same name.
Woohoo Mario.. yeah... kick but game alright, NOT ANYMORE:).
The only company with excellent first party titles were Sega. Virtua Fighter, Shenmue, etc. They had some kick ass games:)
He truly isn't that ridiculous. But the real question is... Would someone get life in prison for popping your hood and checking what's underneath it? I'm sure you could end up with some jail time but not nearly as much as for hacking. Same thing with the house... (But it is a little different, breaking into your computer is not really breaking something but finding an open door and going through it).
Once again, all of these things are ethically wrong in our society BUT punishments shouldn't be cruel and unusual. I don't see any reason for someone getting more then a month of jail time (maybe even less) for doing some hacking. BUT this is only when the hacker causes zero damage (not including mental shock or any of that BS) or doesn't steal anything.
I believe that is what "IBM" called it. It may have not been completely true then. But it does make sense now and it is IBM's fault we have these damn machines no matter how you look at it.
Compaq couldn't have reversed engineered IBM's BIOS unless IBM created it in the first place:).
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So it looks like a big mess, here it is:
I've extensively used OS X 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2, servers and clients. If your truly serious about business you'll realize that optimizing and customising these systems are a big pain. With non standard everything... Also it's not actually BSD, but based on it somewhat.
If your gonna use a mac YDL is better imo:). If your a normal user and want to use it as a desktop os, then it's pretty decent. I use Windows, Linux, and OS X server (client also but rarely)... all for different tasks.
Windows: I've used it for a long time and it happens to be a excellent desktop O/S. It on ibm's Open PC Architecture (and has been since the 80s) so there's a lot of cheap and powerful hardware. Downside is that it is harder to use because of the shear amount of stuff for it.
Linux (RH 7.1 with a lot of RPM upgrades): I use this as a hobby/side business for a server of mine. Runs very well, Duron 1 ghz, 1 gig of ram. Hardware/software cost is a real issue here and nothing can compare. My hobby includes a site that get's over 600,000 pageviews daily:). I'd replace Linux with windows already if it were not for the better interface + number of desktop apps of windows that i already use.
OS X Server: I run several of these for and educational institution (happens to be a rich school district). They've always been using macs and there was no way around it. I mainly run two webservers an apache (with PHP, MySQL) and a webstar (with Lasso, Filemaker). When configuring apache and bind, I had to use the terminal for everthing as Apples interface didn't include much to control apache and nothing for bind.
I've extensively used OS X 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2, servers and clients. If your truly serious about business you'll realize that optimizing and customising these systems are a big pain. With non standard everything... Also it's not actually BSD, but based on it somewhat.
If your gonna use a mac YDL is better imo:). If your a normal user and want to use it as a desktop os, then it's pretty decent. I use Windows, Linux, and OS X server (client also but rarely)... all for different tasks.
Windows: I've used it for a long time and it happens to be a excellent desktop O/S. It on ibm's Open PC Architecture (and has been since the 80s) so there's a lot of cheap and powerful hardware. Downside is that it is harder to use because of the shear amount of stuff for it.
Linux (RH 7.1 with a lot of RPM upgrades): I use this as a hobby/side business for a server of mine. Runs very well, Duron 1 ghz, 1 gig of ram. Hardware/software cost is a real issue here and nothing can compare. My hobby includes a site that get's over 600,000 pageviews daily:). I'd replace Linux with windows already if it were not for the better interface + number of desktop apps of windows that i already use.
OS X Server: I run several of these for and educational institution (happens to be a rich school district). They've always been using macs and there was no way around it. I mainly run two webservers an apache (with PHP, MySQL) and a webstar (with Lasso, Filemaker). When configuring apache and bind, I had to use the terminal for everthing as Apples interface didn't include much to control apache and nothing for bind.
At least it's not as misguided as the Greek Parliament banning all forms of electronic gaming... Action Games, Card Games, CHESS, and other forms of non gambling related games (they main concern was for casinos).
So you think he was fighting in a battle, eh? It's one thing to actually see someone fight against you and hold them but this is not that.
People easily make mistakes...
Citizens and non-citizens alike can be classified as enemy combatants. Gaetano Territo, an American citizen, was captured fighting with the enemy in Italy during World War II. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that his citizenship had no bearing on his lawful detention, which had lasted three years by the time of the court's decision.
You do realize that you mentioned the word "court." Very different from the executive branch holding someone for as long as they want without proving anything at all to the public.
To not realize this is unfortunately quite pathetic.
Hypothetical example: Say your new P4 system has it's motherboard crippled to slow down the bus speed. Why? Because MS says Windows 95 cannot keep up with 2000/XP. "I don't care", you say "I want XP to be faster... XP(2000) is better than 95 anyway, and MS isn't even making 95 anymore".
Umm... that's a pretty bad comparison... Increasing bus speed would speed up both 9x and xp. In any case most pc motherboards come with something call a "JUMPER" to let people adjust bus speeds. Don't know how it is with the Apple Monopoly.
I'm a poor unlucky server admin... Virtually all my maintenance and server administration has to be done from the terminial.
It's all good but can be tedious at times.
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Okay, first of all the igp's in the motherboard's by themselves are awesome. But in the real world performance is always weaker with the integrated video no matter who makes them.
Even after developing a dual channel ddr memory system for there nforce mobo it still performed way below an nforce did with a separate geforce 2 mx card in the agp slot.
BUT for hardcore amd gamers the nforce has always been the best choice! When the 266 mhz fsb wars were going on nothing could beat a nforce mobo with a separate video card, namely the geforce 3.
Now it's fallen behind again due to the fact that newer mobos have memory clocks of 333 mhz but the new nforce2 should be able take the crown as the fastest amd motherboard around.
It's the distributing of CD's whether it's free or not that is illegal! That's how it is in the U.S. at least. The manufacturers of CD's may put in stuff to prevent copying but it's not illegal for backup purposes.
Um... people seem to be forgetting the main reason it's not good enough for gamers... Performance.
The nforce performed several times slower then a standalone geforcemx 2 in many cases.
You know what... I'm getting tired of not so informative posts getting posted as such. The nforce which sported a Geforce2 MX core performed well below an actual geforce2 mx, in some cases running at 1/3rd the frame rate on games like Unreal Tournament and max payne.
Why? Just because these motherboards have the awesome graphics cores doesn't mean anything. They lack the dedicated high speed memory bandwidth that standalone cards have. Even with the dual channel ddr that nvidia used on there nforce the thing still performed like crap.
This is why the new nforce2 will come with a new model that doesn't include the igp.
Well, I'm not going to state the obvious and say that mod points don't always go the right way. Well directly at least...
In any case you shouldn't have looked for rackshack. They resell Geotrust certs.
Well if a dreamcast looks a lot better on a Monitor. A PS 2 and X-box definately should. But Sega's VGA adapter was a first party product so they had it in mind when developing the console. Not sure if Sony or MS had it in mind but they probably look good on a monitor.
It came out one year earlier then the other guys. And in that year technology has improved greatly. To show you what difference this make here's what 5 years mean to console games (the time between ps 1 and ps 2).
.2 because this is a one year increase and not the full five years:
.2X16X32= 102.4 MB
.2X8X8= 12.8 MB
PS 1
2 MB of System ram
1 MB of VRAM
33.3 mhz processor
PS 2
32 MB of system ram 16x increase
8 MB of video ram (might be four, it's smaller then it should be) 8x
300 Mhz Processor (it does a LOT more then a pentium 2 per clockcycle, this baby has more then 150 million transistors, p2's had around 40 million) 10x increase
Predictions for a system coming out one year later (notice i multiplied everything by
System memory 128 MB or 96 MB
Calculations:
Video Memory 16 MB - 24 MB
Calculations:
My prediction is higher then the amount because the vram they used were priced much lower within a year.
Processor 600 MHZ (Remember this isn't a pentium but a video gaming graphics rendering beast. If the X-box chip ran at 300 mhz (runs at 750 mhz i believe - not sure) like the ps2 it's easy to imagine it lagging far behind the ps 2 in performance.
Ofcourse it'd still cost $300 now rather then $200. But if Sony didn't lower their price it's predictible that Microsoft wouldn't either. Microsoft's hardware would still be more expensive due to the hard drive.
I don't think so... i thought the 2200's were 1.8 ghz. I remember the 2600's did break the 2.0 ghz barrier.
Water cooling is not very easy... Can easily damage your circuits. Even if there is no leaks condensation can be a huge problem. If they cand do it safely then this is an excellent product for those that can't or don't have the time to. Also please don't spread this B.S. about $1000 dollars for the same things. It's simply not true when it comes to pc's. Usually you'll get cheap no name parts and you still won't get there.
That's probably just a stupid cnet error. They probably meant 2 ghz. 3 ghz athlon xp (rated at 1.8 ghz) is beyond ridiculous.
Nah... I think colored hats (White/Black hats) are the things nowadays.
Just after I became 17 as well...
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Man... you people just don't know your console gaming history. The playstation sold by sony and the joint "add-on" for the SNES that Sony and Nintendo developed was rejected by Nintendo. The only thing that the add-on had in common with the playstation was the fact that it had the same name. Woohoo Mario.. yeah... kick but game alright, NOT ANYMORE :).
The only company with excellent first party titles were Sega. Virtua Fighter, Shenmue, etc. They had some kick ass games :)
He truly isn't that ridiculous. But the real question is... Would someone get life in prison for popping your hood and checking what's underneath it? I'm sure you could end up with some jail time but not nearly as much as for hacking. Same thing with the house... (But it is a little different, breaking into your computer is not really breaking something but finding an open door and going through it). Once again, all of these things are ethically wrong in our society BUT punishments shouldn't be cruel and unusual. I don't see any reason for someone getting more then a month of jail time (maybe even less) for doing some hacking. BUT this is only when the hacker causes zero damage (not including mental shock or any of that BS) or doesn't steal anything.
I believe that is what "IBM" called it. It may have not been completely true then. But it does make sense now and it is IBM's fault we have these damn machines no matter how you look at it.
:).
Compaq couldn't have reversed engineered IBM's BIOS unless IBM created it in the first place
So it looks like a big mess, here it is:
:). If your a normal user and want to use it as a desktop os, then it's pretty decent. I use Windows, Linux, and OS X server (client also but rarely)... all for different tasks.
:). I'd replace Linux with windows already if it were not for the better interface + number of desktop apps of windows that i already use.
I've extensively used OS X 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2, servers and clients. If your truly serious about business you'll realize that optimizing and customising these systems are a big pain. With non standard everything... Also it's not actually BSD, but based on it somewhat.
If your gonna use a mac YDL is better imo
Windows: I've used it for a long time and it happens to be a excellent desktop O/S. It on ibm's Open PC Architecture (and has been since the 80s) so there's a lot of cheap and powerful hardware. Downside is that it is harder to use because of the shear amount of stuff for it.
Linux (RH 7.1 with a lot of RPM upgrades): I use this as a hobby/side business for a server of mine. Runs very well, Duron 1 ghz, 1 gig of ram. Hardware/software cost is a real issue here and nothing can compare. My hobby includes a site that get's over 600,000 pageviews daily
OS X Server: I run several of these for and educational institution (happens to be a rich school district). They've always been using macs and there was no way around it. I mainly run two webservers an apache (with PHP, MySQL) and a webstar (with Lasso, Filemaker). When configuring apache and bind, I had to use the terminal for everthing as Apples interface didn't include much to control apache and nothing for bind.
I've extensively used OS X 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2, servers and clients. If your truly serious about business you'll realize that optimizing and customising these systems are a big pain. With non standard everything... Also it's not actually BSD, but based on it somewhat. If your gonna use a mac YDL is better imo :). If your a normal user and want to use it as a desktop os, then it's pretty decent. I use Windows, Linux, and OS X server (client also but rarely)... all for different tasks.
Windows: I've used it for a long time and it happens to be a excellent desktop O/S. It on ibm's Open PC Architecture (and has been since the 80s) so there's a lot of cheap and powerful hardware. Downside is that it is harder to use because of the shear amount of stuff for it.
Linux (RH 7.1 with a lot of RPM upgrades): I use this as a hobby/side business for a server of mine. Runs very well, Duron 1 ghz, 1 gig of ram. Hardware/software cost is a real issue here and nothing can compare. My hobby includes a site that get's over 600,000 pageviews daily :). I'd replace Linux with windows already if it were not for the better interface + number of desktop apps of windows that i already use.
OS X Server: I run several of these for and educational institution (happens to be a rich school district). They've always been using macs and there was no way around it. I mainly run two webservers an apache (with PHP, MySQL) and a webstar (with Lasso, Filemaker). When configuring apache and bind, I had to use the terminal for everthing as Apples interface didn't include much to control apache and nothing for bind.
At least it's not as misguided as the Greek Parliament banning all forms of electronic gaming... Action Games, Card Games, CHESS, and other forms of non gambling related games (they main concern was for casinos).
If i remember correctly... he was casted by the director directly...
So you think he was fighting in a battle, eh? It's one thing to actually see someone fight against you and hold them but this is not that. People easily make mistakes...
Well, AMD did get on the Palladium train before Intel.
Citizens and non-citizens alike can be classified as enemy combatants. Gaetano Territo, an American citizen, was captured fighting with the enemy in Italy during World War II. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that his citizenship had no bearing on his lawful detention, which had lasted three years by the time of the court's decision.
You do realize that you mentioned the word "court." Very different from the executive branch holding someone for as long as they want without proving anything at all to the public.
To not realize this is unfortunately quite pathetic.
How would aps run faster when you have the os as a unix process. Are you saying when the hardware is upgraded it will run faster?
Hypothetical example: Say your new P4 system has it's motherboard crippled to slow down the bus speed. Why? Because MS says Windows 95 cannot keep up with 2000/XP. "I don't care", you say "I want XP to be faster... XP(2000) is better than 95 anyway, and MS isn't even making 95 anymore".
Umm... that's a pretty bad comparison... Increasing bus speed would speed up both 9x and xp. In any case most pc motherboards come with something call a "JUMPER" to let people adjust bus speeds. Don't know how it is with the Apple Monopoly.
I'm a poor unlucky server admin... Virtually all my maintenance and server administration has to be done from the terminial. It's all good but can be tedious at times.