Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) has introduced the Inducing Infringment of Copyrights Act (IICA, née INDUCE Act) in the Senate. The bill would make it illegal to "intentionally induce" copyright infringement, but is worded so broadly that it would have all sorts of unintended consequences, one of which is to severely limit, cripple or kill innovation in many different fields
Fortunately I live in Utah and will be voting for someone else. Hatch "claims" to be for the people. A comment I've heard him say frequently. Then why is he in the back pocket of these special groups such as **AA? People here in Utah have been telling him to spend his time on more important issues.
After reading the article I'm pissed. Making MAME illegal? Transmitters? 3D printers?
What is the man thinking!!!
Personally I don't think Hatch is all that great of a singer. I've heard a couple of his songs. I think he could use more singing leasons myself:-)
I had a retarded CTO ask me to give them a cell number they can reach me at after hours. I basically told him I didn't have one (not for them at least). After a couple of months of asking (off and on), he finally said "I don't see how you could work here without a cell phone". At that point I reminded him (again) I'd be happy to carry a cell phone. I then asked him which phones the company provides. It dropped until he decided it was critical.
I now have a company paid for cell phone in addition to my personal phone. The attitude was pretty sad and another company has been calling me now and then to join up with them. At this rate they just might get me:-)
I looked at the product and googled around. I didn't see anything suggesting a broadcast flag was supported. Can they sell a product without it ???
Hopefully they won't allow that mockery of fair use to propegate.
If I understand this, the flag doesn't allow you to make a copy of a show. Is this the case? I've heard several people with different opinions on what the flag really does.
He has done many good things for Utah and the country over the years. Unfortunately he's been acting more like a super freak over last couple years. Patriot Act, Running for Pres (don't understand that one), and now this.
Fortunately I DO live in Utah. Next election will find me fighting to kick this bugger out. He's pushing too many dumbass ideas. One IMO is too many but then again, he's only a politician.
Thanks for the clarify. Makes more sense now that I've read your link.
The parties and numerous amici curiae have briefed many other issues, but these are the only two that matter--and we disagree with the district judge's conclusion on each. Shrinkwrap licenses are enforceable unless their terms are objectionable on grounds applicable to contracts in general (for example, if they violate a rule of positive law, or if they are un- conscionable).
The problem I have is who decides if they are unconscionable? From one judge to another you get different rulings.
Transactions in which the exchange of money precedes the communication of detailed terms are common. Con- sider the purchase of insurance. The buyer goes to an agent, who explains the essentials (amount of coverage, number of years) and remits the premium to the home office, which sends back a policy. On the district judge's understanding, the terms of the policy are irrelevant because the insured paid before receiving them.
I understand what they are saying here however the terms are generally up front before you purchase a policy. If the terms were hidden and you paid would this be considered a violation of law? I think this is the point the court isn't responding to and why EULA's are a problem.
"Although Northwest had a privacy policy for information included on the Web site, plaintiffs do not contend that they actually read the privacy policy prior to providing Northwest with their personal information," Magnuson noted. "Thus, plaintiffs' expectation of privacy was low."
So if I purchase a car and return it a couple weeks later, I can sue and win if I claim I never read the contract or understood it?
What kind of crap are they pulling. I am legally entitled to backup my games, but they put in measures to prevent me doing so. Would these companies allow me to ask for a copy? No. Could I send in a damaged copy and get another? No.
Some companies many moons ago used to provide you with a second disk clearly labeled "Backup Copy". I think it was an Atari game (Psi something) for the Commodore 64 (Yes.. I had on of those too). It's a pity they don't continue this practice (to my knowledge).
If companies don't want this sort of software floating around then they have a legal obligation to provide us with backup copies or we are allowed to make such archived copies for private use.
If we all work together as a team, we can insure that there isn't a single moment on the tour where there isn't a "Powered by Linux" sticker visible on the tour bus.
Cruel and unusual punishment for Microsoft. I like it. You have any idea how difficult it will be to remove those things from the bus. They would have to hire a guy to check the bus at every stop just to make sure it's clean. Oh and to bring a razor so he can peel them off:-)
While we still have a long way to go regarding security, I believe we're still learning how to design security into systems. People are creative. Computers are not. I believe that we're infants at this stage of computer development. Look at how far we've come in 30 years? Where will we be after 30 more?
It's still a brand new world to explore. We have alot of work ahead of us.
You labor under the delusion that you have a choice in the matter. This is irrational.
We all have a choice. We can choose to live under an oppressive Government or we can choose to do everything in our power to stop them. This is the beginning right here. Starting a dialogue.
I remember reading once that George Washington was considered a terrorist by the British Monarchy if that helps explain myself better:-)
Anyway, you are in a public place, there is no privacy.
You knew someone was going to respond to that:-)
I agree and disagree. We have no privacy in a public place however there have been many times in which public officials deny people in public places the right to make a recording of a speach (for example). So how is the line determined?
Here is another thought. If we don't respect people in general in public, when do we start disrespecting people in private places (like your home?). 1984 is getting closer and closer with each step we take. Do we really want to live in that sort of society? Do we want our children living that way?
We can see how this level of control has messed up other countries. Now they are trying to live like America (I don't intend to be inflametory with that comment btw). Communism isn't spreading. Democracy and Capitalism is.
re-reading the above I realize people may not fully get the picture I'm trying to paint. I'll be happy to clarify if needed. Be gentle:-D
DNF to be released in 2005? Wouldn't that be a shock. Personally I would be curious to see if it's any good compared to HL2 or Doom III. I may purchase it.. then again maybe not. The excitement isn't what it used to be for DNF:-)
Not sure where you were but the DoD has lots of web based systems that use special plugins to access them.
I was at Hill AirForce Base in Ogden Utah. The requirement to have the base switch over to Windows clients came as a surprise to me and many others.
Testing all of these systems using every different combination of OS and browser would be a very daunting task so making every user have the same environment just makes sense logistically.
I don't disagree with you. When I was in charge of network environments I made the same decisions. The point is I ran a linux client and was able to participate just fine for a few years in their Windows environment. Telling someone like me that I had to switch to Windows didn't sit very well. Especially since it's not allowed under the requirements as set by Congress.
Just a random military installation? I beleive Mozilla is authorized in Air Combat Command. Also, the systems are automatically patched via a script that starts every time a user logs into a workstation. So please do some research before saying "ohhh, the military does this." The military is big and always changing, and you are far from representing "the military."
Perhaps you are right. Today mozilla "may" be authorized.
FYI... Air Command came down with that comment of "One Military One Operating System". They were pushing Windows clients When I mentioned we had Apple and Linux clients they were upset and told us to "Get with the program" before hanging up. It was a sensitive point apparently.
One more note. As I recall, Congress had stated the Military could not force everyone to any specific operating system or product. It was a choice allowed to all branches. Apparently there was a scandal years ago in which someone of authority had forced people to Microsoft products shortly before retiring. Unfortunately he joined Microsoft at that point which lead to an investigation and some rules being passed. I don't have the url handy at the moment.
You're right. It's so much easier to support every possible browser/OS combination.
What support were you referring to? I don't understand what you are getting at here.
I noticed I didn't have much trouble accessing the military sites with netscape/mozilla/opera. Allowing those browsers would have ended up saving prople alot of headaches.
Unfortuneately, some businesses restrict what software the employees can install on their computer.
I understand where you are coming from. I had to fight for my netscape/mozille installation while working for a military installation as a contractor. The attitude of "One Military One Operating System" still rings through those halls. Pretty stupid attitude IMO. I would respond "One Military One Missle System". Needless to say, they didn't laugh;-)
Basically whenever a new worm or virus came out they were VERY busy. I was responsible for the Solaris and Linux servers and was quite amused. Occasionally I pointed out how calm my life was compared to their frantic patching sessions. Sure I had patching that was needed now and then. Certainly was nothing like their experiences:-)
Brown just ignores all the facts and persists in his belief. I'll bet he dismisses the widely reported claim that Mozart wrote three symphonies and performed for the King of England when he was nine on the grounds that 9-year-olds don't normally do this sort of thing.
Andy is definitely amusing. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this re-rebuttal. I pity Brown. A person who needs to take his medication as ordered by his Doctor;-)
Do we not want people to try the different options available to them and decide which is superior?
Pretty much what's going on at my work. My supervisor is the CIO and he's tired of hearing all the problems we've been having with Windows 2000/2003/XP/whatever. He turned to me last week and asked what platform I work with. Everyone was surprised when I mentioned I am using SuSE 9.0 every minute I am in my office (they were mostly managers in that meeting).
The environment is a Win2k+ network with an exchange server. Everyone uses Word and Excel. So how do I do it? SuSE with Evolution (Imap connection), OpenOffice (1.1) with Mozilla. Forget the file manager SuSE defaults to. Simply type SMB:\\\ and I get to walk the Windows shares. That's from the default installation. I didn't really have to do much.
So now I have a new project. I'm setting up several Linux systems (RedHat and SuSE) and providing support for the IT Manager (He's learning Linux very quickly these days). People are using these systems on a trial basis. An evaluation is being sent to the testers. We will have the results after a couple weeks. So far it's been VERY positive.
The point? Let Microsoft keep doing what they do best. We will do the same. As Linus said years ago "Destroying Microsoft? That will just be a by product of our work" (I know.. I didn't say that quote exactly... it was something like that)
No matter what they do, people will always come up with a simple solution around a problem such as this.
For example, a/. article some time ago along these lines had a few rather interesting solutions around these DRM problems. I liked the simplist solution. Someone plugged in the line out on their CD walkman to the line in on their computer.
Part of the problem is Sun "thinks" they are a hardware company. I've argued with them over this again and again. How many hardware companies are making money these days? Not many. Sun definitely isn't doing all that hot either.
Solaris if they open source it could do good things for Sun. I'm curious how they will handle this in the future. Like you said, I'm afraid this might be a little late also. They tried selling it and that died for some reason (anyone know why? I can't get a straight answer). I'm hearing it might have been because people were used to getting it with the hardware for free.
I like Solaris. Been using it for years. Hoping it works out.
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Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) has introduced the Inducing Infringment of Copyrights Act (IICA, née INDUCE Act) in the Senate. The bill would make it illegal to "intentionally induce" copyright infringement, but is worded so broadly that it would have all sorts of unintended consequences, one of which is to severely limit, cripple or kill innovation in many different fields
:-)
Fortunately I live in Utah and will be voting for someone else. Hatch "claims" to be for the people. A comment I've heard him say frequently. Then why is he in the back pocket of these special groups such as **AA? People here in Utah have been telling him to spend his time on more important issues.
After reading the article I'm pissed. Making MAME illegal? Transmitters? 3D printers?
What is the man thinking!!!
Personally I don't think Hatch is all that great of a singer. I've heard a couple of his songs. I think he could use more singing leasons myself
I'm still waiting for hardware to be free as Bill Gates predicted.
:-)
Then I could simply upgrade my hardware every few months or so and not spend a dime
His first was a radio powered by the low voltage produced by the human body.
:D
I would say this is prior art. Guess their patent is history
I had a retarded CTO ask me to give them a cell number they can reach me at after hours. I basically told him I didn't have one (not for them at least). After a couple of months of asking (off and on), he finally said "I don't see how you could work here without a cell phone". At that point I reminded him (again) I'd be happy to carry a cell phone. I then asked him which phones the company provides. It dropped until he decided it was critical.
:-)
I now have a company paid for cell phone in addition to my personal phone. The attitude was pretty sad and another company has been calling me now and then to join up with them. At this rate they just might get me
We know why the RIAA has been so ready to sue people for not purchasing their product. With crap like this who would want it?
Is this a good time to start speaking about a Microsoft anomaly called "The One"?
I looked at the product and googled around. I didn't see anything suggesting a broadcast flag was supported. Can they sell a product without it ???
Hopefully they won't allow that mockery of fair use to propegate.
If I understand this, the flag doesn't allow you to make a copy of a show. Is this the case? I've heard several people with different opinions on what the flag really does.
He has done many good things for Utah and the country over the years. Unfortunately he's been acting more like a super freak over last couple years. Patriot Act, Running for Pres (don't understand that one), and now this.
Fortunately I DO live in Utah. Next election will find me fighting to kick this bugger out. He's pushing too many dumbass ideas. One IMO is too many but then again, he's only a politician.
That would explain the smell in the air.
/me looks over... is that a water reclaimation plant I see?
Thanks for the clarify. Makes more sense now that I've read your link.
The parties and numerous amici curiae have briefed many other issues, but these are the only two that matter--and we disagree with the district judge's conclusion on each. Shrinkwrap licenses are enforceable unless their terms are objectionable on grounds applicable to contracts in general (for example, if they violate a rule of positive law, or if they are un- conscionable).
The problem I have is who decides if they are unconscionable? From one judge to another you get different rulings.
Transactions in which the exchange of money precedes the communication of detailed terms are common. Con- sider the purchase of insurance. The buyer goes to an agent, who explains the essentials (amount of coverage, number of years) and remits the premium to the home office, which sends back a policy. On the district judge's understanding, the terms of the policy are irrelevant because the insured paid before receiving them.
I understand what they are saying here however the terms are generally up front before you purchase a policy. If the terms were hidden and you paid would this be considered a violation of law? I think this is the point the court isn't responding to and why EULA's are a problem.
"Although Northwest had a privacy policy for information included on the Web site, plaintiffs do not contend that they actually read the privacy policy prior to providing Northwest with their personal information," Magnuson noted. "Thus, plaintiffs' expectation of privacy was low."
So if I purchase a car and return it a couple weeks later, I can sue and win if I claim I never read the contract or understood it?
What kind of lunatic is this judge anyway?
What kind of crap are they pulling. I am legally entitled to backup my games, but they put in measures to prevent me doing so. Would these companies allow me to ask for a copy? No. Could I send in a damaged copy and get another? No.
Some companies many moons ago used to provide you with a second disk clearly labeled "Backup Copy". I think it was an Atari game (Psi something) for the Commodore 64 (Yes.. I had on of those too). It's a pity they don't continue this practice (to my knowledge).
If companies don't want this sort of software floating around then they have a legal obligation to provide us with backup copies or we are allowed to make such archived copies for private use.
Hopefully this will go well for 321 Studios.
If we all work together as a team, we can insure that there isn't a single moment on the tour where there isn't a "Powered by Linux" sticker visible on the tour bus.
:-)
Cruel and unusual punishment for Microsoft. I like it. You have any idea how difficult it will be to remove those things from the bus. They would have to hire a guy to check the bus at every stop just to make sure it's clean. Oh and to bring a razor so he can peel them off
While we still have a long way to go regarding security, I believe we're still learning how to design security into systems. People are creative. Computers are not. I believe that we're infants at this stage of computer development. Look at how far we've come in 30 years? Where will we be after 30 more?
It's still a brand new world to explore. We have alot of work ahead of us.
You labor under the delusion that you have a choice in the matter. This is irrational.
:-)
We all have a choice. We can choose to live under an oppressive Government or we can choose to do everything in our power to stop them. This is the beginning right here. Starting a dialogue.
I remember reading once that George Washington was considered a terrorist by the British Monarchy if that helps explain myself better
Anyway, you are in a public place, there is no privacy.
:-)
:-D
You knew someone was going to respond to that
I agree and disagree. We have no privacy in a public place however there have been many times in which public officials deny people in public places the right to make a recording of a speach (for example). So how is the line determined?
Here is another thought. If we don't respect people in general in public, when do we start disrespecting people in private places (like your home?). 1984 is getting closer and closer with each step we take. Do we really want to live in that sort of society? Do we want our children living that way?
We can see how this level of control has messed up other countries. Now they are trying to live like America (I don't intend to be inflametory with that comment btw). Communism isn't spreading. Democracy and Capitalism is.
re-reading the above I realize people may not fully get the picture I'm trying to paint. I'll be happy to clarify if needed. Be gentle
After reading the Valve blurb on HL2 I panned down the page and was shocked to see DNF mentioned
:-)
Half way down on the right side
DNF to be released in 2005? Wouldn't that be a shock. Personally I would be curious to see if it's any good compared to HL2 or Doom III. I may purchase it.. then again maybe not. The excitement isn't what it used to be for DNF
Not sure where you were but the DoD has lots of web based systems that use special plugins to access them.
I was at Hill AirForce Base in Ogden Utah. The requirement to have the base switch over to Windows clients came as a surprise to me and many others.
Testing all of these systems using every different combination of OS and browser would be a very daunting task so making every user have the same environment just makes sense logistically.
I don't disagree with you. When I was in charge of network environments I made the same decisions. The point is I ran a linux client and was able to participate just fine for a few years in their Windows environment. Telling someone like me that I had to switch to Windows didn't sit very well. Especially since it's not allowed under the requirements as set by Congress.
Just a random military installation? I beleive Mozilla is authorized in Air Combat Command. Also, the systems are automatically patched via a script that starts every time a user logs into a workstation. So please do some research before saying "ohhh, the military does this." The military is big and always changing, and you are far from representing "the military."
Perhaps you are right. Today mozilla "may" be authorized.
FYI... Air Command came down with that comment of "One Military One Operating System". They were pushing Windows clients When I mentioned we had Apple and Linux clients they were upset and told us to "Get with the program" before hanging up. It was a sensitive point apparently.
One more note. As I recall, Congress had stated the Military could not force everyone to any specific operating system or product. It was a choice allowed to all branches. Apparently there was a scandal years ago in which someone of authority had forced people to Microsoft products shortly before retiring. Unfortunately he joined Microsoft at that point which lead to an investigation and some rules being passed. I don't have the url handy at the moment.
You're right. It's so much easier to support every possible browser/OS combination.
What support were you referring to? I don't understand what you are getting at here.
I noticed I didn't have much trouble accessing the military sites with netscape/mozilla/opera. Allowing those browsers would have ended up saving prople alot of headaches.
Unfortuneately, some businesses restrict what software the employees can install on their computer.
;-)
:-)
I understand where you are coming from. I had to fight for my netscape/mozille installation while working for a military installation as a contractor. The attitude of "One Military One Operating System" still rings through those halls. Pretty stupid attitude IMO. I would respond "One Military One Missle System". Needless to say, they didn't laugh
Basically whenever a new worm or virus came out they were VERY busy. I was responsible for the Solaris and Linux servers and was quite amused. Occasionally I pointed out how calm my life was compared to their frantic patching sessions. Sure I had patching that was needed now and then. Certainly was nothing like their experiences
Brown just ignores all the facts and persists in his belief. I'll bet he dismisses the widely reported claim that Mozart wrote three symphonies and performed for the King of England when he was nine on the grounds that 9-year-olds don't normally do this sort of thing.
;-)
Andy is definitely amusing. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this re-rebuttal. I pity Brown. A person who needs to take his medication as ordered by his Doctor
Do we not want people to try the different options available to them and decide which is superior?
Pretty much what's going on at my work. My supervisor is the CIO and he's tired of hearing all the problems we've been having with Windows 2000/2003/XP/whatever. He turned to me last week and asked what platform I work with. Everyone was surprised when I mentioned I am using SuSE 9.0 every minute I am in my office (they were mostly managers in that meeting).
The environment is a Win2k+ network with an exchange server. Everyone uses Word and Excel. So how do I do it? SuSE with Evolution (Imap connection), OpenOffice (1.1) with Mozilla. Forget the file manager SuSE defaults to. Simply type SMB:\\\ and I get to walk the Windows shares. That's from the default installation. I didn't really have to do much.
So now I have a new project. I'm setting up several Linux systems (RedHat and SuSE) and providing support for the IT Manager (He's learning Linux very quickly these days). People are using these systems on a trial basis. An evaluation is being sent to the testers. We will have the results after a couple weeks. So far it's been VERY positive.
The point? Let Microsoft keep doing what they do best. We will do the same. As Linus said years ago "Destroying Microsoft? That will just be a by product of our work" (I know.. I didn't say that quote exactly... it was something like that)
No matter what they do, people will always come up with a simple solution around a problem such as this.
/. article some time ago along these lines had a few rather interesting solutions around these DRM problems. I liked the simplist solution. Someone plugged in the line out on their CD walkman to the line in on their computer.
:-)
For example, a
No more DRM problem. Simple
Part of the problem is Sun "thinks" they are a hardware company. I've argued with them over this again and again. How many hardware companies are making money these days? Not many. Sun definitely isn't doing all that hot either.
Solaris if they open source it could do good things for Sun. I'm curious how they will handle this in the future. Like you said, I'm afraid this might be a little late also. They tried selling it and that died for some reason (anyone know why? I can't get a straight answer). I'm hearing it might have been because people were used to getting it with the hardware for free.
I like Solaris. Been using it for years. Hoping it works out.