Can you search for the discussion? Again, it's just that I've never personally seen such a zealot.
It wouldn't tell you much, even if you were to find it. The problem wasn't the people in the discussion, the last one I remember was quite interesting, arguments from both sides with people who actually seemed to have thought about UI design.
The zealots were in the moderations, the comments bounce up and down. It's quite funny sometimes. Check out my original comment, currently at +1 (which is -1 really, due to karma bonus). However, it's had at least 5 or 6 +1's, and the corresponding -1's to bring it down. Yes, my comment was part cheeky, but even in the previous discussions I speak of the modding was just as silly. As you can only see moderations to your own comments, finding the threads would be pointless.
The only reason you can still see my first comment was the "let the down modding commence" gag. Otherwise, it would be at -1 now.:-)
In the post titled, "PHB - leave us alone!", AccUser points out another thing. It can be reslly frustrating to do something really spectacular and have management ignore it, while simultaneously misrepresenting and over-praising accomplishments that the IT staff knows are technologically crap.
Tell me about it. In the place where I am now, a bunch of devs pulled out the stops to get a release together. Lots of burning the candle at both ends, stress, email arguments etc. Then, some silly little blonde in marketing spends 4 hours in photoshop updating the product logo.
Who gets the full page article on their work in the company news letter? Go on, have a guess...
Where? From what I can tell the "zealot" you describe is a rather popular strawman. I don't think I have ever seen a discussion where someone claims the one-button mouse superior.
I've had this argument myself at least twice on slashdot, and my karma took a big hit from stepping away from the Apple Party Line. Strange point of view to have nowadays, given the 1984 commercial they did...;-)
The argument against was that menus can do everything a right-click can do. My argument was "yeah, but the context menu is smaller and each of the options is directly relevant". Plus, right-click drag & drop is essential on Windows in order to get the correct operation i.e. copy or move. I reckon a lot of people do not understand the power of the right-click!
How does making two buttons look like one, make this more intuitive?
Because the Apple fan-boys have been arguing that one button is best for many years, so they have to continue to pretend that one button is somehow better. Even though they have basically caved in on this issue and realised that extra UI hardware might actually make the UI better to use.
, if I write the word "like", what does that mean to you? I mean, if you were to define it in the context I used it? Because, to me, it means "an example is".
Ok, it was an example. A wrong example and you were called on it. What's the problem? Yeah, agreed, the banter here can be a bit cesspool-like, however if you post something incorrect, someone will inevitably point that out. One of the best things on the net if you ask me. You just gotta understand that most of the folk around here aren't caapable of doing that in a polite manner! Apologies for the way I put it myself, it's hard to rise above the prevailing attitude here;-)
From one post I wrote, you seem to have determined how much I know about this topic, hmm?
Yup, welcome to the web. You are still wrong IMHO, empires tend to fall gradually, through a period of decay. Can't think of any examples of your scenario, however there are undoubtedly some, I'm not claiming an all-encompassing knowledge of history myself!:-)
You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians, no east, no west, no Communists, no Third Worlds. There is only one holistic system of systems. One vast and immane, interwoven, interactive, multi-variant, multi-national dominion of dollars; Petrol-dollars, electro-dollars, Yens, Pounds, Rubles and sheckles. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the stucture of the world today. That is the atomic, and sub-atomic, and galactic structure of things today
Interesting perspective, thanks for posting it. Didn't realise he was behind "Network", loved that movie.
They all use exactly the same doctrines with some minor changes in names only. Reason and logic are beyond them. They all want authority and privileges above and beyond the rest of us.
Sigh. They want us to stop messing with their countries. Honestly, that's all. Sure, they want fundamentalist governments in those countries, but as far as I'm concerned, that's their business. Yes, a very small minority want to enforce their moral values on the whole world, but all sides have an equal measure of those arseholes. What makes the USA worse in this regard is that those with those beliefs are the ones in power and generally the public backs their crusade. On the other hand, radical islamists are in the minority. The whole Al Qaida thing is a western invention. For one, we were the ones who gave them that name in the media and they adopted it. They see the media facination with the fear profits as a tool, and they are perfectly happy to play along with it. However, the fact is that Bin Laden is not some far-reaching power house. In the videos showing him with his supposed army, they are either a group he is helping funding (just like western politics), or they were mercinaries hired for the day, specifically for that video! I seriously recommend you check out the documentary I mentioned in my grandparent post, from your post I think you'll like it. You can get it on archive.org, grab the 3Gb mpeg2 if you have the bandwidth. It very much argues the case for your main point:
There is no good guy. The whole sordid affair is evil incarnate.
Absolutely agree. The only good ones are those who keep out of this "war". Fighting it only fuels the fire on both sides.
What, somehow I can read his words, but he has the right for me not to be able to respond back with my words? Interesting sense of fairness you have their. A one-sided world where corps can prounounce things with no rebuttal.
WTF? I'd agree, ONLY IF you'd been spammed to your own address. No one forced you to read anything. You have NO right to a rebuttal. And your email will not be read, as will any of the other 1,000 emails they have received in the last couple of hours. Ctrl-A + delete I'm afraid.
A one-sided world where corps can prounounce things with no rebuttal.
You can "rebutt" all you want, but noone has to listen. It's ALWAYS been this way. Freedom of speach only really applies to those who have a printing press or a TV station. So, you'll bitch on a webboard and send an irate message, but the fact is that anyone who actually matters does not care for your opinion. How many Cisco GSR routers have you bought this month? Shoot the messenger all you want, but that's the way it is.
Regarding your dyslexia/dunno where you got that from, I blame that on your lack of connecting the dots of my metaphor with reality.
You put words in my mouth that I did not say, then made a wild jump to a bad analogy!! Never once did I say "just following orders", or anything along those lines.
And no, it's not the same as shoveling bodies. That's why it's called a metaphor. Because you are comparing something with something else that is NOT THE SAME, but of similar concept.
Bullshit. Sure, it might technically be a metaphor under the definition of the language, but it doesn't allow you to make crazy statements without being torn apart. A rebuttal even. You were comparing a PR disclosure to the third biggest genocide of all time! Get a grip, I mean seriously! "Just following orders" IS a valid excuse when you were told to say X in a press release. It is not a valid excuse when you know that what you are doing is a crime against humanity!
Just because something is a similie or a metaphor, it doesn't mean it's an apt comparison. (damn, I've used debian too much, that came out as apt-comparison first time there!). I could say skiing is like raping someone. That's a similie, and it's completely bogus. Just like yours.
He's going to have to change his email because of SLASHDOT? Children that have the attention span of a fast-cut hip-hop video?
Spreaking of children, sounds like you are one. Either that, or you walk around here with a blindfold on. Try browsing at -1. Those folks love shit like this.
He/she will almost certainally have to change their email if it gets subscribed to all manner of filth lists, showing images of things no one would ever think of without some degenerative disorder. It's a WORK address. Have you ever WORKED? Other than asking "paper or plastic" down at the shop?
People at that level REQUIRE communication to function. Fuck, that's what Cisco claim to do as a company; enable communication. Changing an email means changing business cards, a multitude of directory information, getting in touch with old contacts etc. THEN you STILL have to check the old address, as it's business we are talking about here. A missed mail is a missed opertunity. Posting someones email on a forum without their concent is a dumb as writing "for a good time, call..." on a bathroom stall. Except, imagine a bathroom full of trolls...
I read what you are saying as "following orders is okay even when it's bad for humanity". In your case, we should only attack Hitler.
Oh, do shut up. There's a light-years difference about not disclosing information due to corporate wishes, verses shovelling the bodies into a furness in a death camp. I prove Godwin right myself now and again, however you really are pushing it with that analogy. By that logic, I should burn in hell because I "hide" bugs from my customers every single day.
Plus, you need to have your eyes tested, or possibly dyslexia tests. "following orders is okay...", dunno where you got that from! All I said was that posting PERSONAL INFORMATION is uncool. Did you miss the numerous threads on privacy around here? Are we so leet that we are above these rules? Please, gimmie a break. The personal details of some paperpusher in a corperation are as private as my own details. Just because you feel justified you are right or have "gods blessing", it doesn't mean jack. All the Hitlers in the world have been down that road. There, I just called you a hitler. Score Godwin!
Yes it is. The only way to fight corporations that hurt the public is to strike back.
Fine, post details of an office and the main switchboard. This person will now likely have to change their email address and telephone number if they actually want to continue being productive. So, not only is posting personal details completely rude and uncalled for, it's also a bit fucking pointless.
Grow up. By all means "fight the power", but the poor sap who's number was posted is not "teh power". If you want to "make a difference", why not do something useful instead?
cast the number of the beast on our souls, and when we are dead, wish to yet still put us all in a place in which we are not..
I'm sure the fundie Christians are all for that. Anything that accelerates their assention to heaven is fine & dandy in their book! I wonder if you are allowed in if you are one of those who triggered the global appocolypse? Someone ought to point that out to them.
As for tagging foreigners, meh. Nothing new there. You always start with the easy target. You should do some reading into what happens to forgeign nationals who just happen to be from a place you are currently at war with. They'll be next...they are already taking fingerprints and retinal scans.
The best of both worlds is useful. The client-side validation is a UI enhancement, zero latency when you click submit (etc). This will also lower server load slightly, as you will be servicing less requests.
Any network server nowadays has to complete server-side validation, it just goes without saying. You can't trust anyone!! So, implement the server side and if you have the resource, add some client-side stuff. If you are one of those who doesn't regard writing HTML as "programming", throwing in a couple of javascript functions isn't going to break you into a sweat.
All I know, is that it seems to take a MAJOR issue (like a giant war) to really cause a superpower to fall.
What war brought down the Soviet Union? The Roman Empire?
Grandparent has no concept of history, parent has it right on. Empires do not fall due to war, they rot from the inside. Yes, I do believe that the US empire will fall, and quite soon (10-25 years). The politics and legal functions are rotten to the core. Just sayin'...
Mind you, you'd be a fool to think that the Chinease government would be any better. Perhaps the 21st century will be "survival of the corruptest"?
Don't be so sure. The gubment doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about the Constitution these days.
Actually, it will the Constitution keeping him in. I'm not American myself, but what I understand is that the constitution has the election date set in stone and NOTHING can change it. All it would take would be a 9-11 type event, a little marshal law, and bingo, four more years. You can't legally elect another one, so you are stuck. All that could happen is that Bush would be forced to step down, but the "danger" to the country would be his cue for sticking around some more.
I would actually argue that America is becoming weaker because of foreign influence eroding our perfect Anglo Saxon/Christian culture. The culture of old lives on only in the "Red States" and the remaining WASP population in the "Blue States" is severely contaminated by foreign, liberal ideology. It's basically the same thing that has happened in Europe to make our fatherlands of old become crippled with left-wing ideology, mostly from the Muslims and the Jews.
You know, if you flip the labels you'd sound just like an Islamic Exremeist. They also believe that foreign liberal influences are destroying their culture.
Somehow, I think the South Park "Earth is a Reality TV show" bit had it right on...
But just like the Cold War against the Soviets, we must prevail somehow.
Once the fear-currency from terrorism has run out, they'll switch the hate somewhere. Keeps you masses under control with a sense of unitedness. Who knows, it could be China next!
No, your daughter is running a perfectly legal copy. There's no difference between a borrowed CD or a backup you burn from the hard drive...
It is in fact, most likely illegal software. XP has activation and all the warez copies are hacked to remove that restriction. He is breaking the EULA and almost definately the DMCA by using the modified code.
Rap is not music. It's spoken word/poetry.
Dropping a breakbeat track behind it does NOT make it music.
Em, no. Yes, it's spoken word, but if the words are tied to the beat or the melody (as any decent stuff would, nothing you'd find in the charts), then it is music. It has rythym. It has flow. Just lacks melody in the lead vocal. You can't say that Michael Franti is not a musician (Spearhead, worth checking out, inteligent stuff).
If it's just a guy spewing garbage over an old record with a breakbeat sample, then yes, I agree, NOT music. But neither is most of the stuff coming from these sources.
Out of interest, would you say Gill Scott Heron wasn't a musician? It's a touch call, I'd say he borders on it, but also veers more to the poetry side than his more modern counterparts.
No, what worries me are "gangsta" rappers taking themselves seriously.
Three words: "Goldie Looking Chain". Welsh rappers that just take the piss out of white-boy rap culture. Funny shit. I actually thought that high-pitched loop crap "so lonely" that's in the charts was one of theirs. Sounds like a piss take...
The lyrics i've read are hillarious, not to mention the songs themselves.
Are they meant to be humourous, or do they just come off that way...?;-)
Usual MS banter aside, you do realise that Google wasn't the first at any of them? I could cite you the ones I know of that did the various things first, but I can't be bothered.
This whole incident smells like a honeypot to me... even the US military is not that stupid that they would leave REAL supposedly-secret "information" on an unsecured machine
You'd be amazed. Honestly, some of the things I've seen over the years in IT companies that should no better. Other posters have mentioned that the army has no special security group; every group has to perform their own securing and they have no dedicated (i.e. skilled) staff working on it. I can fully see how this might happen...;-)
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It wouldn't tell you much, even if you were to find it. The problem wasn't the people in the discussion, the last one I remember was quite interesting, arguments from both sides with people who actually seemed to have thought about UI design.
The zealots were in the moderations, the comments bounce up and down. It's quite funny sometimes. Check out my original comment, currently at +1 (which is -1 really, due to karma bonus). However, it's had at least 5 or 6 +1's, and the corresponding -1's to bring it down. Yes, my comment was part cheeky, but even in the previous discussions I speak of the modding was just as silly. As you can only see moderations to your own comments, finding the threads would be pointless.
The only reason you can still see my first comment was the "let the down modding commence" gag. Otherwise, it would be at -1 now. :-)
Tell me about it. In the place where I am now, a bunch of devs pulled out the stops to get a release together. Lots of burning the candle at both ends, stress, email arguments etc. Then, some silly little blonde in marketing spends 4 hours in photoshop updating the product logo.
Who gets the full page article on their work in the company news letter? Go on, have a guess...
The future of bittorrent is now clear. Piracy. ARRRRR!!!
I've had this argument myself at least twice on slashdot, and my karma took a big hit from stepping away from the Apple Party Line. Strange point of view to have nowadays, given the 1984 commercial they did... ;-)
The argument against was that menus can do everything a right-click can do. My argument was "yeah, but the context menu is smaller and each of the options is directly relevant". Plus, right-click drag & drop is essential on Windows in order to get the correct operation i.e. copy or move. I reckon a lot of people do not understand the power of the right-click!
Because the Apple fan-boys have been arguing that one button is best for many years, so they have to continue to pretend that one button is somehow better. Even though they have basically caved in on this issue and realised that extra UI hardware might actually make the UI better to use.
Let the Apple zealot modding-down commence...
Ok, it was an example. A wrong example and you were called on it. What's the problem? Yeah, agreed, the banter here can be a bit cesspool-like, however if you post something incorrect, someone will inevitably point that out. One of the best things on the net if you ask me. You just gotta understand that most of the folk around here aren't caapable of doing that in a polite manner! Apologies for the way I put it myself, it's hard to rise above the prevailing attitude here ;-)
From one post I wrote, you seem to have determined how much I know about this topic, hmm?
Yup, welcome to the web. You are still wrong IMHO, empires tend to fall gradually, through a period of decay. Can't think of any examples of your scenario, however there are undoubtedly some, I'm not claiming an all-encompassing knowledge of history myself! :-)
Interesting perspective, thanks for posting it. Didn't realise he was behind "Network", loved that movie.
Sigh. They want us to stop messing with their countries. Honestly, that's all. Sure, they want fundamentalist governments in those countries, but as far as I'm concerned, that's their business. Yes, a very small minority want to enforce their moral values on the whole world, but all sides have an equal measure of those arseholes. What makes the USA worse in this regard is that those with those beliefs are the ones in power and generally the public backs their crusade. On the other hand, radical islamists are in the minority. The whole Al Qaida thing is a western invention. For one, we were the ones who gave them that name in the media and they adopted it. They see the media facination with the fear profits as a tool, and they are perfectly happy to play along with it. However, the fact is that Bin Laden is not some far-reaching power house. In the videos showing him with his supposed army, they are either a group he is helping funding (just like western politics), or they were mercinaries hired for the day, specifically for that video! I seriously recommend you check out the documentary I mentioned in my grandparent post, from your post I think you'll like it. You can get it on archive .org, grab the 3Gb mpeg2 if you have the bandwidth. It very much argues the case for your main point:
There is no good guy. The whole sordid affair is evil incarnate.
Absolutely agree. The only good ones are those who keep out of this "war". Fighting it only fuels the fire on both sides.
WTF? I'd agree, ONLY IF you'd been spammed to your own address. No one forced you to read anything. You have NO right to a rebuttal. And your email will not be read, as will any of the other 1,000 emails they have received in the last couple of hours. Ctrl-A + delete I'm afraid.
A one-sided world where corps can prounounce things with no rebuttal.
You can "rebutt" all you want, but noone has to listen. It's ALWAYS been this way. Freedom of speach only really applies to those who have a printing press or a TV station. So, you'll bitch on a webboard and send an irate message, but the fact is that anyone who actually matters does not care for your opinion. How many Cisco GSR routers have you bought this month? Shoot the messenger all you want, but that's the way it is.
Regarding your dyslexia/dunno where you got that from, I blame that on your lack of connecting the dots of my metaphor with reality.
You put words in my mouth that I did not say, then made a wild jump to a bad analogy!! Never once did I say "just following orders", or anything along those lines.
And no, it's not the same as shoveling bodies. That's why it's called a metaphor. Because you are comparing something with something else that is NOT THE SAME, but of similar concept.
Bullshit. Sure, it might technically be a metaphor under the definition of the language, but it doesn't allow you to make crazy statements without being torn apart. A rebuttal even. You were comparing a PR disclosure to the third biggest genocide of all time! Get a grip, I mean seriously! "Just following orders" IS a valid excuse when you were told to say X in a press release. It is not a valid excuse when you know that what you are doing is a crime against humanity!
Just because something is a similie or a metaphor, it doesn't mean it's an apt comparison. (damn, I've used debian too much, that came out as apt-comparison first time there!). I could say skiing is like raping someone. That's a similie, and it's completely bogus. Just like yours.
Spreaking of children, sounds like you are one. Either that, or you walk around here with a blindfold on. Try browsing at -1. Those folks love shit like this.
He/she will almost certainally have to change their email if it gets subscribed to all manner of filth lists, showing images of things no one would ever think of without some degenerative disorder. It's a WORK address. Have you ever WORKED? Other than asking "paper or plastic" down at the shop?
People at that level REQUIRE communication to function. Fuck, that's what Cisco claim to do as a company; enable communication. Changing an email means changing business cards, a multitude of directory information, getting in touch with old contacts etc. THEN you STILL have to check the old address, as it's business we are talking about here. A missed mail is a missed opertunity. Posting someones email on a forum without their concent is a dumb as writing "for a good time, call..." on a bathroom stall. Except, imagine a bathroom full of trolls...
Oh, do shut up. There's a light-years difference about not disclosing information due to corporate wishes, verses shovelling the bodies into a furness in a death camp. I prove Godwin right myself now and again, however you really are pushing it with that analogy. By that logic, I should burn in hell because I "hide" bugs from my customers every single day.
Plus, you need to have your eyes tested, or possibly dyslexia tests. "following orders is okay...", dunno where you got that from! All I said was that posting PERSONAL INFORMATION is uncool. Did you miss the numerous threads on privacy around here? Are we so leet that we are above these rules? Please, gimmie a break. The personal details of some paperpusher in a corperation are as private as my own details. Just because you feel justified you are right or have "gods blessing", it doesn't mean jack. All the Hitlers in the world have been down that road. There, I just called you a hitler. Score Godwin!
Fine, post details of an office and the main switchboard. This person will now likely have to change their email address and telephone number if they actually want to continue being productive. So, not only is posting personal details completely rude and uncalled for, it's also a bit fucking pointless.
Grow up. By all means "fight the power", but the poor sap who's number was posted is not "teh power". If you want to "make a difference", why not do something useful instead?
I'm sure the fundie Christians are all for that. Anything that accelerates their assention to heaven is fine & dandy in their book! I wonder if you are allowed in if you are one of those who triggered the global appocolypse? Someone ought to point that out to them.
As for tagging foreigners, meh. Nothing new there. You always start with the easy target. You should do some reading into what happens to forgeign nationals who just happen to be from a place you are currently at war with. They'll be next...they are already taking fingerprints and retinal scans.
Any network server nowadays has to complete server-side validation, it just goes without saying. You can't trust anyone!! So, implement the server side and if you have the resource, add some client-side stuff. If you are one of those who doesn't regard writing HTML as "programming", throwing in a couple of javascript functions isn't going to break you into a sweat.
Grandparent has no concept of history, parent has it right on. Empires do not fall due to war, they rot from the inside. Yes, I do believe that the US empire will fall, and quite soon (10-25 years). The politics and legal functions are rotten to the core. Just sayin'...
Mind you, you'd be a fool to think that the Chinease government would be any better. Perhaps the 21st century will be "survival of the corruptest"?
Actually, it will the Constitution keeping him in. I'm not American myself, but what I understand is that the constitution has the election date set in stone and NOTHING can change it. All it would take would be a 9-11 type event, a little marshal law, and bingo, four more years. You can't legally elect another one, so you are stuck. All that could happen is that Bush would be forced to step down, but the "danger" to the country would be his cue for sticking around some more.
You know, if you flip the labels you'd sound just like an Islamic Exremeist. They also believe that foreign liberal influences are destroying their culture.
Somehow, I think the South Park "Earth is a Reality TV show" bit had it right on...
But just like the Cold War against the Soviets, we must prevail somehow.
Once the fear-currency from terrorism has run out, they'll switch the hate somewhere. Keeps you masses under control with a sense of unitedness. Who knows, it could be China next!
Are you afraid to leave your computer on overnight or something? 266MB is nothing for dial-up, anything you can get in one day is fair game.
It is in fact, most likely illegal software. XP has activation and all the warez copies are hacked to remove that restriction. He is breaking the EULA and almost definately the DMCA by using the modified code.
Corporate keys are different to consumer keys. There's a system to tell what a key is for, just by looking at it.
Em, no. Yes, it's spoken word, but if the words are tied to the beat or the melody (as any decent stuff would, nothing you'd find in the charts), then it is music. It has rythym. It has flow. Just lacks melody in the lead vocal. You can't say that Michael Franti is not a musician (Spearhead, worth checking out, inteligent stuff).
If it's just a guy spewing garbage over an old record with a breakbeat sample, then yes, I agree, NOT music. But neither is most of the stuff coming from these sources.
Out of interest, would you say Gill Scott Heron wasn't a musician? It's a touch call, I'd say he borders on it, but also veers more to the poetry side than his more modern counterparts.
Three words: "Goldie Looking Chain". Welsh rappers that just take the piss out of white-boy rap culture. Funny shit. I actually thought that high-pitched loop crap "so lonely" that's in the charts was one of theirs. Sounds like a piss take...
The lyrics i've read are hillarious, not to mention the songs themselves.
Are they meant to be humourous, or do they just come off that way...? ;-)
Usual MS banter aside, you do realise that Google wasn't the first at any of them? I could cite you the ones I know of that did the various things first, but I can't be bothered.
Sounds like your average suicide then. Of course, it's easier to blame others I suppose.
You'd be amazed. Honestly, some of the things I've seen over the years in IT companies that should no better. Other posters have mentioned that the army has no special security group; every group has to perform their own securing and they have no dedicated (i.e. skilled) staff working on it. I can fully see how this might happen... ;-)