Do you know how much a new drilling plant costs? A new off-shore rig? Probes? OPEC bureaucracy? How much did it cost in the 40's? 50's? 60's? 70's? 80's? 90's? This decade? We're talking billions and billions (of relative value).
Besides, there was an article not too many moons ago about do-it-yourself biodiesel for, what, $0.48 per gallon?
I agree to a point; the alternatives aren't that great right now (certainly much less useful than if they had been researched with proper funding from the 40's on out), but if even a small part of the research costs were diverted, a lot of things could happen. Here's a link to Exxon, who in 2002 spent $0.61 per barrel in research costs. I unfortunately don't have stats for barrel price but from the recent $40/barrel scare we can extrapolate that the cost was somewhere around $30/barrel back then. That means that the company spent around 2% in research. Here you can see the production: 2,400 thousand (2400000) barrels per day; a total of $864 million barrels per year, with a total price of a little over $25 billion, of which 2 percent would be approximately $500 million. For Exxon alone. $500 million. A year.
Geez. No-one can read an if statement correctly anymore. I thought folks here were programmers:)
IF all the time & resources had been spent to research alternatives,
THEN we would likely have nearly-as-effective if not more so vehicles with better emissions
ELSE well, here we are ENDIF
What I don't get is that they had to do a lot of rewriting to make this version, as a complete afterthought. So they do more development and yet they charge less than the original.
..from which we can infer that C++ is clearly the superior since the JVMs are written in C++. The C++ code reads bytecode *and* translates it to native code fairly swiftly while even Java itself can't be trusted to actually run Java:)
Do not use muzak. Seriously. Its powers are a myth. Prefer real music, usually stuff from the sixties and seventies is OK. Beatles, Stones, KC&SSB and so on.
> Since the dawn of sporting events, sports have been designed around the viewer, not the player. On the flip side, comptuer games are soley designed for the enjoyment of the player.
You're from the US, aren't you? Baseball and American Football (more appropriately referred to as Carrycone since it's not a ball and it's not played by feet) aren't sports regardless of what Lord Carlin says.
Good point, though the sale from manufacturer to retailer may not be considered to be the 'first sale'. I'm not absolutely sure of the legalities of this in any part of the world, but that interpretation has stuck to my head for some reason.
> If they didn't intentionaly release their code under the GPL, then they havn't give up their rights to it.
I think this is valid in other types of agreements but not here. Consider that SCO had the code right in their view all along; is it not their responsibility to ensure all the code is OK? I'm/sure/ that people so hell bent on IP law made sure there're no violations in their own source before releasing it, right?
> But the author can't claim that all your code is now GPL'd.
That's debateable -my understanding is that all the code in that project should then be under the GPL, unless the stipulation that all rights to the code expire if it violates affects it somehow.
Record exec: We decided to give your music away for free, guys. We'll still pay you $50 million, though. Beasties: Hell no, dude. We DEMAND you put some evil copy protection on the album! Record exec: Isn't that horribly unfair towards the customers, guys? Come on, have a heart. Beasties: Oh yeah? Well fuck you, fat Record Exec. We've got the right to party! *BLAWW* *BLAWW* *BLAWW* Record exec: *Aaaargh* Oooooverrr my deaaaad boddyyyyyy... custooooemmueua *AAAARGH* cstmrrrrs muuust beee pa... pah.... pahmpppered.. *groan* Beasties: *Urinate on the dead Record Exec and offer a sacrifice to Satan*
Unfortunately even CSS has problems when designing a relative-scale page, mainly because position: absolute is not rendered correctly (absolute in relation to the parent element) and the insufficiency of 'float'.
My major problems with fixed-width are that A) fonts are fixed which is really bad for some people and B) some fix the site to the top left corner rather than center of page.
Well, the ones who develop using CSS for layout are usually very standards-aware, it's the other guys who are the problem.
The resolution I develop for is 100%, but one can make good fixed-width layouts, even ones that run off the viewport horizontally, which requires real talent (or good luck). See CSS Zen Garden.
The GGGGP said it'd be bad to write a Java compiler in Java, with the implication that it'd be really ineffective. The GGGP then countered by stating the bytecode can be compiled to native code and executed that way. I recountered stating that if the Java is compiled to native code, it's not really Java anymore; the compiler is effectively written using C++. A compiler written in Java has to run on *A* VM, be it from whatever company, otherwise it's not 'really' implemented in Java*.
*It is written in the language but what's the point? It doesn't even serve as a proof of concept unless you're trying to prove that a compiler executing in native code is implementable, for which you have prior art for sixty years.
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Do you know how much a new drilling plant costs? A new off-shore rig? Probes? OPEC bureaucracy? How much did it cost in the 40's? 50's? 60's? 70's? 80's? 90's? This decade? We're talking billions and billions (of relative value).
Besides, there was an article not too many moons ago about do-it-yourself biodiesel for, what, $0.48 per gallon?
I agree to a point; the alternatives aren't that great right now (certainly much less useful than if they had been researched with proper funding from the 40's on out), but if even a small part of the research costs were diverted, a lot of things could happen. Here's a link to Exxon, who in 2002 spent $0.61 per barrel in research costs. I unfortunately don't have stats for barrel price but from the recent $40/barrel scare we can extrapolate that the cost was somewhere around $30/barrel back then. That means that the company spent around 2% in research. Here you can see the production: 2,400 thousand (2400000) barrels per day; a total of $864 million barrels per year, with a total price of a little over $25 billion, of which 2 percent would be approximately $500 million. For Exxon alone. $500 million. A year.
Geez. No-one can read an if statement correctly anymore. I thought folks here were programmers :)
IF all the time & resources had been spent to research alternatives,
THEN we would likely have nearly-as-effective if not more so vehicles with better emissions
ELSE well, here we are
ENDIF
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In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming o squid of negotiable affection. Suddenly he wakes up with a huge fucking metal rod up his tendril.
What I don't get is that they had to do a lot of rewriting to make this version, as a complete afterthought. So they do more development and yet they charge less than the original.
..from which we can infer that C++ is clearly the superior since the JVMs are written in C++. The C++ code reads bytecode *and* translates it to native code fairly swiftly while even Java itself can't be trusted to actually run Java :)
It's 'writing code'. It feels good. Like it feels good when you stop beating your head against the wall.
Mmm. *Ruby fuzzies*
Do not use muzak. Seriously. Its powers are a myth. Prefer real music, usually stuff from the sixties and seventies is OK. Beatles, Stones, KC&SSB and so on.
> Since the dawn of sporting events, sports have been designed around the viewer, not the player. On the flip side, comptuer games are soley designed for the enjoyment of the player.
You're from the US, aren't you? Baseball and American Football (more appropriately referred to as Carrycone since it's not a ball and it's not played by feet) aren't sports regardless of what Lord Carlin says.
Good point, though the sale from manufacturer to retailer may not be considered to be the 'first sale'. I'm not absolutely sure of the legalities of this in any part of the world, but that interpretation has stuck to my head for some reason.
Nope, not start menus. Most users can use the desktop icons, though.
Military is also a really good way to get killed. Like, for real. Can't respawn from that.
..he said, sipping a latte while typing on his Powerbook being chauffeured around Manhattan.
I'm not going to touch that.
Anyone read Rolling Stone? The 'one of the last known' picture really looks like most of the computer geeks I know.
> If they didn't intentionaly release their code under the GPL, then they havn't give up their rights to it.
/sure/ that people so hell bent on IP law made sure there're no violations in their own source before releasing it, right?
I think this is valid in other types of agreements but not here. Consider that SCO had the code right in their view all along; is it not their responsibility to ensure all the code is OK? I'm
> But the author can't claim that all your code is now GPL'd.
That's debateable -my understanding is that all the code in that project should then be under the GPL, unless the stipulation that all rights to the code expire if it violates affects it somehow.
The dotted lines are supposed to be interpreted as 'influenced' or 'conforms to', I always thought. The solid lines define branching and derivation.
Record exec: We decided to give your music away for free, guys. We'll still pay you $50 million, though.
Beasties: Hell no, dude. We DEMAND you put some evil copy protection on the album!
Record exec: Isn't that horribly unfair towards the customers, guys? Come on, have a heart.
Beasties: Oh yeah? Well fuck you, fat Record Exec. We've got the right to party! *BLAWW* *BLAWW* *BLAWW*
Record exec: *Aaaargh* Oooooverrr my deaaaad boddyyyyyy... custooooemmueua *AAAARGH* cstmrrrrs muuust beee pa... pah.... pahmpppered.. *groan*
Beasties: *Urinate on the dead Record Exec and offer a sacrifice to Satan*
Very very good. And you must read Hyperion. Now.
*looks up from Dan Simmons' "Ilium"*
/You/ may not, but generally the more educated/intelligent folk tend to like reading.
What do you mean people don't read anymore?
Unfortunately even CSS has problems when designing a relative-scale page, mainly because position: absolute is not rendered correctly (absolute in relation to the parent element) and the insufficiency of 'float'.
My major problems with fixed-width are that A) fonts are fixed which is really bad for some people and B) some fix the site to the top left corner rather than center of page.
Well, the ones who develop using CSS for layout are usually very standards-aware, it's the other guys who are the problem.
The resolution I develop for is 100%, but one can make good fixed-width layouts, even ones that run off the viewport horizontally, which requires real talent (or good luck). See CSS Zen Garden.
Christ.
The GGGGP said it'd be bad to write a Java compiler in Java, with the implication that it'd be really ineffective. The GGGP then countered by stating the bytecode can be compiled to native code and executed that way. I recountered stating that if the Java is compiled to native code, it's not really Java anymore; the compiler is effectively written using C++. A compiler written in Java has to run on *A* VM, be it from whatever company, otherwise it's not 'really' implemented in Java*.
*It is written in the language but what's the point? It doesn't even serve as a proof of concept unless you're trying to prove that a compiler executing in native code is implementable, for which you have prior art for sixty years.
Did anyone notice the 'C++' network server? It uses FORK() for crying out loud! Aaaaargh.
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