Just so you know the age benchmark, I was born in the 80's. I have been playing computer and video games since I was young. You have 10-20 years start on me. Now then...
1) Because I have been playing video games since the late 70s and have seen the rise and fall of so many "sure things" that I no longer count on a console's manufacturer as being important. It is, and always has been, about the games and the marketing. Those are the two things a successful console must have. The PS3 already has all of the PS1 and PS2 games. That alone gives it a massive edge over the Xbox Next which, according to all indicators, will not have any sort of backwards-compatibility.
The Atari 7800 I beleive had backwards compatability with previous Atari consoles. The SNES did not, and look at how well it did. I think more need not be said in this case.:) In my humble opinion, backwards compatability is a novelty and should not be expected of a console to do well.* Besides, if you want to play those Xbox games that badly, you'll probably be able to pick them up dirt cheap for at least a Console Generation from retailers who are trying to let go of old stock.
It is extraordinarily rare that MS eyes a market and manages to take it over (IE being one of the rare cases, with, perhaps, Pocket PC eventually gaining dominance - but both of those items are "tied" to the operating system). MSN, WebTV, Ultimate TV, the non-Xbox gaming hardware, etc.
I'll agree with you here. However, are you implying that the Xbox gaming hardware is going better off than normal? Because if so then I agree with you 100%.
* I know I know, what about the Game Boy. (I love my GBA SP) I will answer with this. I personally don't have a problem storing 4-5 consoles that I want to play near my TV. The cable mess might be hell, but it's not that big of an inconvenience. I, however, don't want to carry 4-5 different handhelds with me, it's not convenient.
Well, first of all, your entire post stemmed from my misuse of Behimoth. Sorry.
If you can look at me in 20 years and tell me that you are still playing your Xbox on a regular basis, then I will concede your point.
Way to place safe bets. I bet in 20 years you and I won't even remember this conversation. Making statements about "Oh, I'll still be playing THIS console in 20 years, but not this console" isn't usually a safe judgement. After all, I though Perfect Dark would be enough to last me 20 years, but now that I tried playing it the other day, the horrendus framerate and crappy N64 thumbstick made it unenjoyable to me. Sad to say, I might not ever play it again. However, I never thought I would still be playing DooM after all these years. Yet, I still Deathmatch quite regularly over ZDaemon. You just can't ever tell.
My suspicion is, however, if Sony learns from its mistakes on the PS2 (and everything they've said on that front point to the answer being "yes") and creates the PS3 most of us want, then players such as you and your friends will not be looking at the Xbox Next. Just a guess.;)
I never said that the Xbox Next would blow the PS3 away. But I do beleive based on how it's improved the Xbox that Microsoft has an idea of what it's doing, and is likely to gain a foothold in the marketplace. And you know what? I'm going to reserve my judgement on both systems until about a year after both systems come out and the hype has died down. One for monitary reasons (I doubt I could afford a console at launch) and second of all I don't want to place all my eggs in one basket, on the off chance that the console turns into a disaster. Unlike you, who seems to be perfectly fine placing his bet on the PS3 before he's even seen the damn thing in action. Why?
There we go! MS can get a new health-consious hook: Buy two Xboxes, get the official Xrod and attach each box to either end of the rod.
The reason Sony took the lead because they had the money to spend (and because Nintendo was lazy). The reason Sony hasn't lost the lead is because the Xbox does not have a lot of compelling games to convince people like me, who have over 20 consoles at home, to go out and buy it.
They're convincing people like me though. I've bought a ton of games for it, and although I've had to sell some of them for financial reasons, I always come back for more. Granted, I havn't played mine in a while, but I have a shiny new PC to play around with, plus all of my gaming buddies from college are all over the state.
Bungie has produced one game for the Xbox so far. Halo. That's it. Oh yeah, Halo 2 is on the way. Rare. They released a mediocre platfrmer. They have a Conker game on the way. That's four games. You don't build up a behimoth like the Xbox with four games.
Maybe Steve and Gates don't really have their heart and soul in it. However, I beleive that the people who are actually behind the Xbox itself (Come on, do you think that the Xbox is Balmers creation?) really do have their hearts into this. They learn from mistakes (most notably, the huge controller), they find good studios to make other games (most of the time), such as Bizzare, FASA studios, Bungie, plus they have a lot of AAA third party studios such as Ubisoft and Rare.
They are not just throwing money at a market and hoping they are coming out on top. They are convincing people like me that, yes, their system isn't just hype that no one will support, they are indeed capable of making good systems. They've made some mistakes, but they are also doiug a lot of things right, and for this reason they are gaining marketshare (last I heard), and winning people over.
As a side note, I'm one of their harder prizes, about a year and a half ago I loathed the Xbox with every fibre of my being. You can thank Xbox Live for dissolving my elitism.
-bankrolled by a multibillion dollar corporation hellbent on marketplace domination
How do you think that Sony took the lead in the console wars? You don't win marketshare by playing nice, you do everything in your power to produce reasons (good games, fixing launch problems, Xbox Live) why people would want to buy your console over your compedators.
-do i need any other points?
Save it. We know you're an elitist just from your one reason, you don't have to come up with 20.
FreeDM is basically FreeDOOM, but the guy who has worked on it has edited some of the content so stuff like textures tile better.
It also omits the notoriously bad looking enemies, which you don't really need for DM anyway. Plus the download is smaller.
There are FreeDM servers running on ZDaemon from time to time. I don't know about now, but I'll try and convince some server admins to run some. ZDaemon Capture the Flag is something that everyone should experience, and projects like FreeDM makes it loads easier.
See, you people let little things like elitism get in the way of having a fun time. If you people would just shut the fuck up about hating the xbox for two seconds, you might see some cool stuff coming out for it.
Oh wait, this is/. Oh well, I'll just be busy enjoying co-op on my rented version of Doom 3 from Gamefly (I'll probably end up buying the PC version) while you're busy writing your next "10 REASONS WHY XBOX SUX LOL" list.
And by the way, I installed Fedora Core 2 on both my work and home machine, both of which had Windows XP installed (and I had taken care of making room for it beforehand in both cases) and everything was A-OK. I don't think I should have a problem should I want to try out Fedora Core 3 at home...
These polls prove what? That a long time ago, some of the people who visisted GameFAQ's voted in a non-manditory poll that happened to favor the Gamecube? Especially considering all the console dick waving and bias that goes on there, even today?
I agree with the stupidity of catagorizing Xbox as "hardcore" by default, but come on, come up with more, larger, and more recent pools of data than a few polls on GameFAQ's.
And I love and play both my Gamecube and Xbox, though I have been using my PC for gaming more recently, now that I've upgraded it to the point where I can play more recent games.
You have obviously been to the wrong LAN parties and tournaments. I've been to a few, and one of them had a handfull of people playing Halo. Two eight player games of CTF games going on. if I remember correctly, which were almost always full. I have no idea about what makes Halo so attractive, but even I admit to jumping on and enjoying a game or two. And almost every LAN gaming center I've been to has an Xbox or four in the back for Halo goodness.
Question is, are they going to do anything about it. Will they actually do something about it, or just keep buying the same diarrhea and keep complaining about it for a few seconds before he finally pulls out his portable CD player and listens to it.
Sadly, people like them exist in our world. Some people just don't care.
Personally, I'd reverse the comparison and say the DOS prompt is "almost as good as a Unix shell.
I thought the same way too. By the time I finished my first shell script, a script that used ftpcopy to mirror ftp sites (I'm sure it could hav been done a million other ways) that were listed in a.conf file of my own creation, I changed my mind. COMMAND.COM/CMD.EXE batch files can't even begin to approach the bash shell in terms of awesomeness.
And this is from a relative newbie to Linux (Tried it back in the RH 5.2 days, then again in the RH 7.3 days, now with Fedora Core 2, they've finally been able to dumb things down enough for a Windows power user for me to make the switch)
I used to sound like you, until I actually got an Xbox. It has a ton of great games, the Controller S is a dream to play with (Racing Games especially), Xbox Live is great (as far as online gaming groups go, there are plenty of idiots, but then again, there are idiots in every online community) and really, that's all that matters to me. I havn't modded it, I havn't touched it with Linux, I haven't done ANYTHING to it.
It made a lot of bad decisions at launch, but Microsoft *gasp* seems to have learned from mistakes and is now a formitable contendor in the console wars. I, for one, can't wait for the Xbox 2 to come out, and will probably buy one, reguardless of how 'moddible' it is.
As has been discussed in length already, it is impossible to trust the client unless you send each frame prerendered to every client pixel for pixel.
I think Halo PC solves this problem by making everything serverside. I have yet to see anyone cheat on Halo, and it makes me wonder why more game's don't do something like this.
The latest numbers I've seen show Rainbow Six 3 beating SOCOM 2 in sales.
Also, did anyone notice how SOCOM 2 only owrks with an official Sony online adapter? They droppsd support for other network adapters. Why? SOCOM worked with other online adapters. Seems like Sony took a page from the non-Xbox-Microsoft's book for some reason.
And honestly in terms of MMORPG's, who bought Everquest OA? Almost everony I've talked to (PS2 fanboys and haters alike) said it blew, while a greater majority of them like Phantasy Star Online (though most of them say 'screw consoles, get lineage 2 when it comes out'). I'm personally looking forward to True Fantasy Live, hated Everquest, and liked PSO, but that's just me.
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ZDaemon. Trust me, Doom II Deathmatch (and CTF(!)) is far from dead.
1) Because I have been playing video games since the late 70s and have seen the rise and fall of so many "sure things" that I no longer count on a console's manufacturer as being important. It is, and always has been, about the games and the marketing. Those are the two things a successful console must have. The PS3 already has all of the PS1 and PS2 games. That alone gives it a massive edge over the Xbox Next which, according to all indicators, will not have any sort of backwards-compatibility.
The Atari 7800 I beleive had backwards compatability with previous Atari consoles. The SNES did not, and look at how well it did. I think more need not be said in this case. :) In my humble opinion, backwards compatability is a novelty and should not be expected of a console to do well.* Besides, if you want to play those Xbox games that badly, you'll probably be able to pick them up dirt cheap for at least a Console Generation from retailers who are trying to let go of old stock.
It is extraordinarily rare that MS eyes a market and manages to take it over (IE being one of the rare cases, with, perhaps, Pocket PC eventually gaining dominance - but both of those items are "tied" to the operating system). MSN, WebTV, Ultimate TV, the non-Xbox gaming hardware, etc.
I'll agree with you here. However, are you implying that the Xbox gaming hardware is going better off than normal? Because if so then I agree with you 100%. * I know I know, what about the Game Boy. (I love my GBA SP) I will answer with this. I personally don't have a problem storing 4-5 consoles that I want to play near my TV. The cable mess might be hell, but it's not that big of an inconvenience. I, however, don't want to carry 4-5 different handhelds with me, it's not convenient.
If you can look at me in 20 years and tell me that you are still playing your Xbox on a regular basis, then I will concede your point.
Way to place safe bets. I bet in 20 years you and I won't even remember this conversation. Making statements about "Oh, I'll still be playing THIS console in 20 years, but not this console" isn't usually a safe judgement. After all, I though Perfect Dark would be enough to last me 20 years, but now that I tried playing it the other day, the horrendus framerate and crappy N64 thumbstick made it unenjoyable to me. Sad to say, I might not ever play it again. However, I never thought I would still be playing DooM after all these years. Yet, I still Deathmatch quite regularly over ZDaemon. You just can't ever tell.
My suspicion is, however, if Sony learns from its mistakes on the PS2 (and everything they've said on that front point to the answer being "yes") and creates the PS3 most of us want, then players such as you and your friends will not be looking at the Xbox Next. Just a guess. ;)
I never said that the Xbox Next would blow the PS3 away. But I do beleive based on how it's improved the Xbox that Microsoft has an idea of what it's doing, and is likely to gain a foothold in the marketplace. And you know what? I'm going to reserve my judgement on both systems until about a year after both systems come out and the hype has died down. One for monitary reasons (I doubt I could afford a console at launch) and second of all I don't want to place all my eggs in one basket, on the off chance that the console turns into a disaster. Unlike you, who seems to be perfectly fine placing his bet on the PS3 before he's even seen the damn thing in action. Why?
There we go! MS can get a new health-consious hook: Buy two Xboxes, get the official Xrod and attach each box to either end of the rod.
And who says gamers can't get exercise! :)
Oh yeah. You're one of 'them' :rolleyes:.
Wait a second, that might actually be cool.
How the hell did Hawking sign his name?
They're convincing people like me though. I've bought a ton of games for it, and although I've had to sell some of them for financial reasons, I always come back for more. Granted, I havn't played mine in a while, but I have a shiny new PC to play around with, plus all of my gaming buddies from college are all over the state.
Bungie has produced one game for the Xbox so far. Halo. That's it. Oh yeah, Halo 2 is on the way. Rare. They released a mediocre platfrmer. They have a Conker game on the way. That's four games. You don't build up a behimoth like the Xbox with four games.
Maybe Steve and Gates don't really have their heart and soul in it. However, I beleive that the people who are actually behind the Xbox itself (Come on, do you think that the Xbox is Balmers creation?) really do have their hearts into this. They learn from mistakes (most notably, the huge controller), they find good studios to make other games (most of the time), such as Bizzare, FASA studios, Bungie, plus they have a lot of AAA third party studios such as Ubisoft and Rare.
They are not just throwing money at a market and hoping they are coming out on top. They are convincing people like me that, yes, their system isn't just hype that no one will support, they are indeed capable of making good systems. They've made some mistakes, but they are also doiug a lot of things right, and for this reason they are gaining marketshare (last I heard), and winning people over.
As a side note, I'm one of their harder prizes, about a year and a half ago I loathed the Xbox with every fibre of my being. You can thank Xbox Live for dissolving my elitism.
I guess I'm kinda pissed off at the amount of console elitism around here and went too trigger happy with your post. Sorry about that.
How do you think that Sony took the lead in the console wars? You don't win marketshare by playing nice, you do everything in your power to produce reasons (good games, fixing launch problems, Xbox Live) why people would want to buy your console over your compedators.
-do i need any other points?
Save it. We know you're an elitist just from your one reason, you don't have to come up with 20.
Actually, yes. But at least something can be done about the Fedora Core 2 side of things.
It also omits the notoriously bad looking enemies, which you don't really need for DM anyway. Plus the download is smaller.
There are FreeDM servers running on ZDaemon from time to time. I don't know about now, but I'll try and convince some server admins to run some. ZDaemon Capture the Flag is something that everyone should experience, and projects like FreeDM makes it loads easier.
FreeDM: http://discharge.gginc.org/freedm/
ZDaemon: http://www.zdaemon.org
I woulnd't be surprised if PC Gamer really did test a final or almost final version.
See, you people let little things like elitism get in the way of having a fun time. If you people would just shut the fuck up about hating the xbox for two seconds, you might see some cool stuff coming out for it.
Oh wait, this is /. Oh well, I'll just be busy enjoying co-op on my rented version of Doom 3 from Gamefly (I'll probably end up buying the PC version) while you're busy writing your next "10 REASONS WHY XBOX SUX LOL" list.
And by the way, I installed Fedora Core 2 on both my work and home machine, both of which had Windows XP installed (and I had taken care of making room for it beforehand in both cases) and everything was A-OK. I don't think I should have a problem should I want to try out Fedora Core 3 at home...
And another question . What if it's not a sequel. Does that automatically make things better? Worse?
Since I depend on both Windows XP and Liunx, this kind of attitude saddens me greatly.
I agree with the stupidity of catagorizing Xbox as "hardcore" by default, but come on, come up with more, larger, and more recent pools of data than a few polls on GameFAQ's.
And I love and play both my Gamecube and Xbox, though I have been using my PC for gaming more recently, now that I've upgraded it to the point where I can play more recent games.
Man, those were good times.
You mean like "When it's done"?
Oh yeah, I went there.
Question is, are they going to do anything about it. Will they actually do something about it, or just keep buying the same diarrhea and keep complaining about it for a few seconds before he finally pulls out his portable CD player and listens to it.
Sadly, people like them exist in our world. Some people just don't care.
I thought the same way too. By the time I finished my first shell script, a script that used ftpcopy to mirror ftp sites (I'm sure it could hav been done a million other ways) that were listed in a .conf file of my own creation, I changed my mind. COMMAND.COM/CMD.EXE batch files can't even begin to approach the bash shell in terms of awesomeness.
And this is from a relative newbie to Linux (Tried it back in the RH 5.2 days, then again in the RH 7.3 days, now with Fedora Core 2, they've finally been able to dumb things down enough for a Windows power user for me to make the switch)
In short, once you bash, you'll never go back.
Do you really know what you're talking about?
I used to sound like you, until I actually got an Xbox. It has a ton of great games, the Controller S is a dream to play with (Racing Games especially), Xbox Live is great (as far as online gaming groups go, there are plenty of idiots, but then again, there are idiots in every online community) and really, that's all that matters to me. I havn't modded it, I havn't touched it with Linux, I haven't done ANYTHING to it.
It made a lot of bad decisions at launch, but Microsoft *gasp* seems to have learned from mistakes and is now a formitable contendor in the console wars. I, for one, can't wait for the Xbox 2 to come out, and will probably buy one, reguardless of how 'moddible' it is.
I think Halo PC solves this problem by making everything serverside. I have yet to see anyone cheat on Halo, and it makes me wonder why more game's don't do something like this.
Guy: Doc, it hurts when I do this
Doc: Then don't do that.
The assault rifle is a greatly underpowerd weapon. Don't use it unless you're in close quarters.
You win.
gg nextmap
Also, did anyone notice how SOCOM 2 only owrks with an official Sony online adapter? They droppsd support for other network adapters. Why? SOCOM worked with other online adapters. Seems like Sony took a page from the non-Xbox-Microsoft's book for some reason.
And honestly in terms of MMORPG's, who bought Everquest OA? Almost everony I've talked to (PS2 fanboys and haters alike) said it blew, while a greater majority of them like Phantasy Star Online (though most of them say 'screw consoles, get lineage 2 when it comes out'). I'm personally looking forward to True Fantasy Live, hated Everquest, and liked PSO, but that's just me.