It hasn't actually happened. The parent poster just has no idea what he's talking about. No game requires either console... every 360 game will work on every 360... The reviewer didn't address it b/c it's a baseless and uninformed question, that no reviewer would ever think to address. "Oh, BTW, this 360 game works on the 360. It does not, however, work on a PS3 or your microwave oven".
indeed, the flip side is the SCSI internal is probably still running. I sold it on ebay in '03 when I stopped using my computer that had on-board scsi, and went the 52x ide route as well. But when I sold it, that thing was still running at 100%.
They just don't make things like they did way back in 98:P
indeed, software does add to that, especially if you want MS office.
The RAM was that cheap, i bought a RDRAM machine in 2001, pc-800. Interestingly, last I checked (last year) on ebay it's still that expensive. RDRAM seems to have never fluctuated in value. HDD sounds right to me, i lost an 80gb that very year and had to replace that... That's what I paid at a local store, could have saved probably 30 bucks by doing it online.
CD-RW? I paid 250 for a scsi internal in 98 (haha), then about 15 in 2004 for an internal IDE. 30 sounds about right, but ok... 50?
The proc is just a guess, but my 1.5ghz p4 and my 3.0ghz p4 were both that much, and they were both "2nd tier" at the time. I think 3.2 had just came out when i bought my 3.0, is what i mean by 2nd tier.
And you're right, it's not a huge difference if you're going against other pre-mades. If you're the type that cares about tech support from dell (you couldn't pay me to call india and have them tell me what's wrong with my computer, but I understand different types...) that adds some value for you too.
But versus premade, dell is still tacking on est 5-600 bucks even after the software, and you're still getting inferior parts vs homemade.
So, OK, i'll grant you a deal compared to premades... an incredible deal? i'll still have issues there;)
Part of my reaction, as well, is that I just spent part of my weekend fixing my friends gateway. Celeron 1.1ghz with 128mb of pc-133 and a 20gb harddrive, she paid gateway 2k for it in 2001. So a) 2k on a pc makes me twitch, and b) you did get an incredible deal next to her... heh.
you spent 2200 on a pc? i don't get where the deal is, nonetheless an incredible one... these are my guesses as somebody who built himself 2 gaming pc's in this time (1 in 2001, 1 in 2004)...
p4 mobo - $150
2.4ghz p4 - $250
512 MB RDRAM - $150
Nvidia 4200ti - $200
SB LIVE - $40 (audigy was out by now)
80GB HDD - $150
CD-RW - $30
DVD-R - $50
Case - $50
PSU - $50
keyboard/mouse - $20
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$1140 USD + no tax, as you're buying on the internet.
That's just about what i spent on each of my "top of the line at the time" gaming pcs. Each of these had guaranteed better parts on each and every item outisde of the proc, than dell uses, so the prices i quote are probably too high for dell, though I accounted for the case and psu to be "cheap".
So where's the deal? Is the 10 minutes of effort to put your cpu together worth a grand+?
so what you're saying is that you shouldn't have sex unless you're prepared to be locked up for rape if the girl goes whacky and accusses you of something you didn't do.
"I am also decidedly NON religious and think that Creationism and Intelligent Design are fairy tales for children. PLEASE do not color me and all the other conservative red stater's in with the religious right"
Sorry to say this, but you colored yourself. You are who you associate with.
if his comments about FPS sales are false, then feel free to disprove them. He said: "It [Xbox controller] works just fine for playing games, and it works fine for first-person shooter games, as evidenced by the fact that they sold more first-person shooters on consoles than anybody's ever sold on PCs." Show how this is wrong if you believe it is false.
It is not a matter of true/false, it is a matter of logical fallacy - it's a call for stagnation based on an appeal to popularity: The number of people using a thing has no direct relation to the quality of that thing, while he's using the number of users as proof of this quality, and a reason to stagnate in development.
If you're still confused, let's state it this way:
"ashlee simpson is a great singer, as evidenced by the fact that 10 billion people bought her new album, and therefore pop music has no need for singers who can hit a note."
or
"AAC sounds better than FLAC,as evidenced by the sales figures of IPODs, and therefore we don't need to improve digital audio quality"
or
"The earth in 1300 was flat, as evidenced by the beliefs of the masses... so we don't need new thoughts about that"
Thing X was the most popular kind of thing ever, therefore it's good enough and no improvements are welcome.
In fact, my last post was the best ever, as evidenced by the page hits on slashdot. I'm not sure why I'm even continuing to post here...
Reading the article, I got the distinct impression that he was schilling for Microsoft... Bashing PS3, revolution, gamecube, and calling the xbox 360 controller all but perfect. Kneepads like that don't come cheap, so you do a search for "Epic Microsoft partnerships" and you get this... http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/ut2004/news_6120 091.html
Epic Games today announced that its Unreal Engine 3 technology will be used in games from Microsoft's internal development team, Microsoft Game Studios...
While no specific titles were mentioned, Epic confirmed that the technology will be used for "the next-generation Xbox platform."...
"We are hugely excited that Microsoft Game Studios have selected Unreal Engine 3 for its next generation Xbox platform games," said Epic Games president Mark Rein.
Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie from Ubisoft tops this year's VGA nominations with seven including "Best Action Game," "Best Graphics," "Best Performance by a Human - Male & Female" for actors Jack Black and Naomi Watts and Michel Ancel for "Designer of the Year."
Not only is this game not FINISHED yet, it likely won't be gold when the votes are cast, and definately won't even be released by the time the awards are handed out.
Spike VGA: 11/18
XBOX360 Launch (assuming King Kong makes launch): 11/22
PC launch (according to gamespot): 11/21
Maybe it's cynical of me to assume payola here... Perhaps Spike studied the history of movie to game conversions and concluded this one simply could not fail.
I feel the same way about entertainment in general -- Nothing new has happened since the radio. And don't give me that HDTV tripe, I've been listening to the radio since the 1920's, all they did was add pictures.
And the fax machine is nothing but a waffle iron with a phone attached!
wow. I hope with these new accolades can he now afford to pay me back for the last 3 high heat games
don't get me wrong, it is impressive that a game can contain the same bugs for 4 years in a row while actually degrading the gameplay. hall of fame worthy, though? I'm not so sure.
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(army men joke here)
It is a $14 a month service for unlimited entertainment, you can't expect that every single kink will be ironed out at launch.
Yeah, the gall of people to expect a game has gone gold to 'work as advertised', and 'be available to them' after they pay 50 bucks + 15/month for it.
Imagine if Tycho had to deal with 100,000's of people complaining that one stroke in one particular comic was 1 pt off.
I'm sure it happens to him most times the strip isn't up first thing in the AM. the obvious difference, of course? Maybe it's that penny arcade doesn't charge 50 bucks up front then 15/month for the service? I'm just going out on a limb here...
if Blizzard put the resources into making the game so that there were no problems at launch and that they had the server infrastructure to support the entire planet logging into same screen all at once the subscription fee would be so incredibly expensive that no one would play the game.
If a company can't afford the infrastructure of a product at a price the market will bear, then they should not make the product. This isn't rocket science here, it's junior high school economics.
"Xbox Live online gaming service has set a new standard for online gaming with more than 1.4 million members around the world."
steam claims over 2.5 million unique users a MONTH (4.565 billion player minutes/month). Xbox live hits 1.4 million in its (already long) life and it's a new standard for online gaming? please.
1. i read the article before i posted
2. i've been developing intranets since 1997. i know how underlining and hyperlinks work.
3. slashdot knows how hyperlinks work. they know 98% of users don't have their own stylesheet, and adhere to the defaults of their browsers (people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.)... though i like the "if you don't want to see nigger underlined and highlighted, you should have changed your browser behavior before you saw it!" argument, qual-i-tee.
4. it's not the word "nigger" i'm bothered by here, it was the phrasing as a command, and then the placement in place of prominence. I have studied the sociological impact of language, I understand Zorilla's well stated point that there is context and good and bad uses of words and I don't disagree. I'm just saying some restraint wouldn't kill us here, especially with a commanding phrase like that.
5. the article had the literary and gaming merit of iceburg lettuce.
but really, what i'm amused by here is that i said i think it's inappropriate for slashdot to use the phrase "bow,nigger" in a style that is treated differently from other standard text.
in a half-hour, with no extra knowledge, the angst-ridden teens of slashdot were able to learn the following about me: i didn't read the article, i'm uneducated, i have no idea how a web browser works, i can't type (?), i'm offended by literature from other cultures and times, i "pretend bad stuff never happened and try to cover up all hints that it may have", i have "latent and misguided feelings of guilt", i "cringe when reading the dictionary". i'm "immature", "hypersensitive", and "stupid".
Anyway, i'm done here. Continue your masturbatory rants about my inferiority, I shall not be reading them.
yes i "freaked out" and had a "knee jerk reaction" by calmly calling something inappropriate. nice to see slashdot has become just another usenet flame spot for the angst-ridden crowd, lates
ok, all you people are right, it's entirely ok to leave "bow nigger" underlined in a headlining piece, absent of context except for a link you can click on.
your sophomoric strawman arguments about what i also must believe are a nice touch.
now, i have read the article, and i can honestly say i don't get it. It's some guy whining about being mistreated online, who by the end really thinks he's fighting good and evil by playing a 3 year old, average, FPS.
Is gamining journalism really worse off for not making regular use of sentences like "Blammo." and words like "wanker"? I just don't get it. You may now go back to your strawman attacks.
am i the only one here who feels it's horribly inappropriate for the editors to allow the words "Bow, n*****" to be underlined and highlighted in the top article of the front page of slashdot?
before we get all uppity, the headline written by reuters is a lie. they were arrested for modding xboxes, loading them with 15 games, and selling them as "super xboxes" on the store shelves.
They were NOT arrested for "modding xboxes". They were arrested for being idiots.
"Is there a way to disable the "feature" that forces me to load the CD every time I want to play the game?"
Yes, you buy it on Steam. CD keys are a byproduct of a retail/in-box game. Valve came up with an entire system so you never need a CD again...
And of course, here we are bitching about it b/c we can't pirate it.
and be ready to start playing Half-Life 2 the moment it is made available! -- Valve
what part of this says to you that you'll be able to play it as soon as it is gold? is valve speaking in code that only you can understand?
They implied one thing and are now doing the other. I would never have bought the game via steam had I known this.
They implied nothing, you inferred it. If you want to be pissed off, be pissed off at yourself for not reading carefully and inferring things were never stated, anywhere.
Slashdot Mirror
It hasn't actually happened. The parent poster just has no idea what he's talking about. No game requires either console... every 360 game will work on every 360... The reviewer didn't address it b/c it's a baseless and uninformed question, that no reviewer would ever think to address. "Oh, BTW, this 360 game works on the 360. It does not, however, work on a PS3 or your microwave oven".
indeed, the flip side is the SCSI internal is probably still running. I sold it on ebay in '03 when I stopped using my computer that had on-board scsi, and went the 52x ide route as well. But when I sold it, that thing was still running at 100%.
:P
They just don't make things like they did way back in 98
indeed, software does add to that, especially if you want MS office.
;)
The RAM was that cheap, i bought a RDRAM machine in 2001, pc-800. Interestingly, last I checked (last year) on ebay it's still that expensive. RDRAM seems to have never fluctuated in value. HDD sounds right to me, i lost an 80gb that very year and had to replace that... That's what I paid at a local store, could have saved probably 30 bucks by doing it online.
CD-RW? I paid 250 for a scsi internal in 98 (haha), then about 15 in 2004 for an internal IDE. 30 sounds about right, but ok... 50?
The proc is just a guess, but my 1.5ghz p4 and my 3.0ghz p4 were both that much, and they were both "2nd tier" at the time. I think 3.2 had just came out when i bought my 3.0, is what i mean by 2nd tier.
And you're right, it's not a huge difference if you're going against other pre-mades. If you're the type that cares about tech support from dell (you couldn't pay me to call india and have them tell me what's wrong with my computer, but I understand different types...) that adds some value for you too.
But versus premade, dell is still tacking on est 5-600 bucks even after the software, and you're still getting inferior parts vs homemade.
So, OK, i'll grant you a deal compared to premades... an incredible deal? i'll still have issues there
Part of my reaction, as well, is that I just spent part of my weekend fixing my friends gateway. Celeron 1.1ghz with 128mb of pc-133 and a 20gb harddrive, she paid gateway 2k for it in 2001. So a) 2k on a pc makes me twitch, and b) you did get an incredible deal next to her... heh.
you spent 2200 on a pc? i don't get where the deal is, nonetheless an incredible one... these are my guesses as somebody who built himself 2 gaming pc's in this time (1 in 2001, 1 in 2004)...
p4 mobo - $150
2.4ghz p4 - $250
512 MB RDRAM - $150
Nvidia 4200ti - $200
SB LIVE - $40 (audigy was out by now)
80GB HDD - $150
CD-RW - $30
DVD-R - $50
Case - $50
PSU - $50
keyboard/mouse - $20
------
$1140 USD + no tax, as you're buying on the internet.
That's just about what i spent on each of my "top of the line at the time" gaming pcs. Each of these had guaranteed better parts on each and every item outisde of the proc, than dell uses, so the prices i quote are probably too high for dell, though I accounted for the case and psu to be "cheap".
So where's the deal? Is the 10 minutes of effort to put your cpu together worth a grand+?
so what you're saying is that you shouldn't have sex unless you're prepared to be locked up for rape if the girl goes whacky and accusses you of something you didn't do.
this is what gets modded insightful these days...
"I am also decidedly NON religious and think that Creationism and Intelligent Design are fairy tales for children. PLEASE do not color me and all the other conservative red stater's in with the religious right"
Sorry to say this, but you colored yourself. You are who you associate with.
put another aloe strip on that fucker too. that's right, you heard me.
It is not a matter of true/false, it is a matter of logical fallacy - it's a call for stagnation based on an appeal to popularity: The number of people using a thing has no direct relation to the quality of that thing, while he's using the number of users as proof of this quality, and a reason to stagnate in development.
If you're still confused, let's state it this way:
"ashlee simpson is a great singer, as evidenced by the fact that 10 billion people bought her new album, and therefore pop music has no need for singers who can hit a note."
or
"AAC sounds better than FLAC,as evidenced by the sales figures of IPODs, and therefore we don't need to improve digital audio quality"
or
"The earth in 1300 was flat, as evidenced by the beliefs of the masses... so we don't need new thoughts about that" Thing X was the most popular kind of thing ever, therefore it's good enough and no improvements are welcome. In fact, my last post was the best ever, as evidenced by the page hits on slashdot. I'm not sure why I'm even continuing to post here...
Epic Games today announced that its Unreal Engine 3 technology will be used in games from Microsoft's internal development team, Microsoft Game Studios ...
While no specific titles were mentioned, Epic confirmed that the technology will be used for "the next-generation Xbox platform." ...
"We are hugely excited that Microsoft Game Studios have selected Unreal Engine 3 for its next generation Xbox platform games," said Epic Games president Mark Rein.
Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie from Ubisoft tops this year's VGA nominations with seven including "Best Action Game," "Best Graphics," "Best Performance by a Human - Male & Female" for actors Jack Black and Naomi Watts and Michel Ancel for "Designer of the Year."
Not only is this game not FINISHED yet, it likely won't be gold when the votes are cast, and definately won't even be released by the time the awards are handed out.
Spike VGA: 11/18
XBOX360 Launch (assuming King Kong makes launch): 11/22
PC launch (according to gamespot): 11/21
Maybe it's cynical of me to assume payola here... Perhaps Spike studied the history of movie to game conversions and concluded this one simply could not fail.
I feel the same way about entertainment in general -- Nothing new has happened since the radio. And don't give me that HDTV tripe, I've been listening to the radio since the 1920's, all they did was add pictures.
And the fax machine is nothing but a waffle iron with a phone attached!
So, what you're saying is google has hired competent people and paid them well.
They must be stopped.
... and the DS. you have to look all the way back (!!) to november for that.
wow. I hope with these new accolades can he now afford to pay me back for the last 3 high heat games
don't get me wrong, it is impressive that a game can contain the same bugs for 4 years in a row while actually degrading the gameplay. hall of fame worthy, though? I'm not so sure.
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(army men joke here)
It is a $14 a month service for unlimited entertainment, you can't expect that every single kink will be ironed out at launch.
Yeah, the gall of people to expect a game has gone gold to 'work as advertised', and 'be available to them' after they pay 50 bucks + 15/month for it.
Imagine if Tycho had to deal with 100,000's of people complaining that one stroke in one particular comic was 1 pt off.
I'm sure it happens to him most times the strip isn't up first thing in the AM. the obvious difference, of course? Maybe it's that penny arcade doesn't charge 50 bucks up front then 15/month for the service? I'm just going out on a limb here...
if Blizzard put the resources into making the game so that there were no problems at launch and that they had the server infrastructure to support the entire planet logging into same screen all at once the subscription fee would be so incredibly expensive that no one would play the game.
If a company can't afford the infrastructure of a product at a price the market will bear, then they should not make the product. This isn't rocket science here, it's junior high school economics.
"Xbox Live online gaming service has set a new standard for online gaming with more than 1.4 million members around the world."
steam claims over 2.5 million unique users a MONTH (4.565 billion player minutes/month). Xbox live hits 1.4 million in its (already long) life and it's a new standard for online gaming? please.
haha good stuff.
1. i read the article before i posted
2. i've been developing intranets since 1997. i know how underlining and hyperlinks work.
3. slashdot knows how hyperlinks work. they know 98% of users don't have their own stylesheet, and adhere to the defaults of their browsers (people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.)... though i like the "if you don't want to see nigger underlined and highlighted, you should have changed your browser behavior before you saw it!" argument, qual-i-tee.
4. it's not the word "nigger" i'm bothered by here, it was the phrasing as a command, and then the placement in place of prominence. I have studied the sociological impact of language, I understand Zorilla's well stated point that there is context and good and bad uses of words and I don't disagree. I'm just saying some restraint wouldn't kill us here, especially with a commanding phrase like that.
5. the article had the literary and gaming merit of iceburg lettuce.
but really, what i'm amused by here is that i said i think it's inappropriate for slashdot to use the phrase "bow,nigger" in a style that is treated differently from other standard text.
in a half-hour, with no extra knowledge, the angst-ridden teens of slashdot were able to learn the following about me: i didn't read the article, i'm uneducated, i have no idea how a web browser works, i can't type (?), i'm offended by literature from other cultures and times, i "pretend bad stuff never happened and try to cover up all hints that it may have", i have "latent and misguided feelings of guilt", i "cringe when reading the dictionary". i'm "immature", "hypersensitive", and "stupid".
Anyway, i'm done here. Continue your masturbatory rants about my inferiority, I shall not be reading them.
yes i "freaked out" and had a "knee jerk reaction" by calmly calling something inappropriate. nice to see slashdot has become just another usenet flame spot for the angst-ridden crowd, lates
ok, all you people are right, it's entirely ok to leave "bow nigger" underlined in a headlining piece, absent of context except for a link you can click on.
your sophomoric strawman arguments about what i also must believe are a nice touch.
now, i have read the article, and i can honestly say i don't get it. It's some guy whining about being mistreated online, who by the end really thinks he's fighting good and evil by playing a 3 year old, average, FPS.
Is gamining journalism really worse off for not making regular use of sentences like "Blammo." and words like "wanker"? I just don't get it. You may now go back to your strawman attacks.
oh, it's my immaturity that doesn't allow me to see the benefit of highlighting and underlining "bow, nigger". thanks for clarifying this for me.
am i the only one here who feels it's horribly inappropriate for the editors to allow the words "Bow, n*****" to be underlined and highlighted in the top article of the front page of slashdot?
I honestly can't believe I'm looking at this
before we get all uppity, the headline written by reuters is a lie. they were arrested for modding xboxes, loading them with 15 games, and selling them as "super xboxes" on the store shelves.
They were NOT arrested for "modding xboxes". They were arrested for being idiots.
yeah, using lunix to drive the 'latest and greatest' games is kinda like using a hairdryer as a toaster...
sure you'll eventually get a warm piece of bread, but it'll take too long, taste like burned hair, and be more warm and soggy than hot and toasted...
my SB audigy 2 did 7.1 sound on doom3 out of the box on winXP... last I checked, linux distros don't even support the audigy 1 yet... see the problem?
"Is there a way to disable the "feature" that forces me to load the CD every time I want to play the game?" Yes, you buy it on Steam. CD keys are a byproduct of a retail/in-box game. Valve came up with an entire system so you never need a CD again...
And of course, here we are bitching about it b/c we can't pirate it.
and be ready to start playing Half-Life 2 the moment it is made available! -- Valve
what part of this says to you that you'll be able to play it as soon as it is gold? is valve speaking in code that only you can understand?
They implied one thing and are now doing the other. I would never have bought the game via steam had I known this.
They implied nothing, you inferred it. If you want to be pissed off, be pissed off at yourself for not reading carefully and inferring things were never stated, anywhere.