Re:FUD is bad for them, and bad for OSS too!
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In the beginning of any movement that opposes the way some majority-holding entity does things, it is good to raise a little cain to get noticed. But once people start noticing, it is better to focus on what your movement is about, seperating it from the losing strategy from the competing entity. In a few years, Microsoft may be no more, why associate yourself with them, even in contrast? OSS is good enough to stand on its own.
You raise an interesting point! I think all the data we have given these companies by downloading tracks off of P2P clients has been negated in their eyes because it was illegal, or at least, not making someone money.
They didn't say "Hey, maybe people are trying to tell us to lower prices!" or "Say, people really dig certain tracks instead of full albums, perhaps we should sell discs on a track-by-track basis." Instead, they just cried "Thieeeeeves!" and discounted the entire movement and any legitimate idea it was trying to convey.
It seems that companies refuse to compete against something that is free, just slander and preach against it. If we want to be taken seriously, we need to find a company that is seen in the eyes of BMG as a legit competetor and then endorse their goods over BMG's. If that were to happen, they might then get the point.
I appreciate the response. Let me clarify, I am not attacking the people, that are customers just like you and I, that compose the entity BMG, but I am opposing the practices BMG is employing. To wit, somewhere in that company exists someone who stopped being a customer just like you and I. It is this person, or groups of people who are making these kinds of decisions into what we want, before we know we want it. I would say that if BMG were going by strictly what customers want, then this would have never happened. But those people who are not customers any more are listening to a higher power ($$$). That is what I dislike. Now, I am not a revolutionary, or a utopianist, but when someone puts the care and concern of their customers below greed and profit, that really lowers my opinion of them drastically.
Like someone said earlier, companies that are ignoring their customers are truly on their last legs.
I know we'll eventually find a way around this copy-protection, I have no worries about that. What bothers me is the "Suck It Down!"(c) attitude BMG is taking on forcing people to buy new hardware if the disc doesn't work. I think they have the relationship between consumer and manufacturer switched. It's not like they are gracing our lowly presence, the hoi polloi, with goods they toss to us like slop to pigs.
"Here, this should be good enough for all of you. Too bad if you don't like it. Sooooooooooouuuuuuuiiiiiiiii!"
And yet they seem to act that way when trying to herd us all into something like this. I am a consumer, dagnabbit! I should be telling these companies what I want, and make sure they give it to me. It is the consumers who should be dictating where the market goes. But who is still listening to us? When did things change? Consumers have rights, use them!
Right now, Microsoft is becoming a huge partner in providing Operating Systems for periphials such as PDAs, Tablet PCs, Media Boxes, etc. etc. Heck, they're even help create hardware to further departmentalize their OS. They would never give that away. What they will do is help subsidize hardware research and development and make sure their OS is the only one that works on that new product.
They don't need the PC market any more, they've found something much much better. *shudder*
"The author then goes on to explain the several techniques like attack and penetration and active reconnaissance. Not only does the author tell you how they would in a technical sense, he provides code that does it, and explains each piece."
If dangerous books like this are distributed, the cyberterrorists have already won!
I take it that the author is in favor of using exploits for testing purposes for absolutely certainity in securifying a network? Or does he just test the theories and not the implementations? I personally think a good mix of both is needed in a security toolkit book. Overview of theories so that admins can develop specific solutions for their networks. And specific examples in order to really test what's out there. Nothing like fighting the mongol hordes with un-tested experimental weaponry.
For people sharing their connection in an area? I mean, I think it's a good thing, but with ISPs coming down on open access points, I can see them trying to limit the area in which your WiFi connection is broadcast. Are they able to do that? IANABroadcaster, but will this come under the same restrictions possibly as HAM operators or other radio broadcasters?
Master Gates, Don't hate me! I really like Windows! I do! I really believe in the power of the MCSE! I didn't just shell out a bunch of money for them to get my foot in the door to the businesses in my area! I promise I'll be good! Honest! It's not true! I don't run Linux at home! Don't find my lack of humor disturbing!!! (Sorry, slow day at work, I'm getting slap-happy)
Something about a way to connect most of the industrialized nations in the world in order to better exchange information and form a community....naaaaaaaah. Way too idealistic. It'd never work (It still doesn't work if you ask me).
I mean, that's the only explanation I can come up with. Ours just...you know, sits there. We go there once, get bored and come back. So we spend our time looking at other planets' moons instead of making it back to ours. I mean really. Give our moon some lubbin'!
The Government uses our money to license out companies to make software for them, that they in-turn will not have to release to the public since technically the government never made it in the first place. And then the government grants licenses to other companies to recoup our costs and yet we don't get to see the program or a refund if the government liscenses out said technology? Dire Straits said it best, Money for Nothing and our Programs for Free!
Satellite Radio and XM will basically become options on luxury cars so that those companies can get paid up-front for service. The manufacteurer will then pass off the cost to the consumer, and most likely the monthly fee will disappear. Or, they maybe just make it standard in luxury vehicles. The possabilities for markets for their products are there. I just don't see them using those markets.
Thank you much for the information. Having never owned one of these devices, I was not sure if DRM had been implemented in the hardware yet, or if it was still software-only.
I find it surprising that Microsoft feels the need to use this style of marketing campaign. Not for the fact that is blatently copying Apple's Switch campaign, my surprise for MS copying other people's work ran out years ago.
What surprises me is that it has been found that market leaders need not identify themselves in their campaigns -- it is implicit that most consumers will choose said market-leader. For example: Campbell's doesn't need a campaign that says "Buy Campbell's" It just needs to say "Buy Soup" and most consumers will choose their soup. This marketing push of their OS by name in a popular style, at least to me, says that Microsoft is really getting worried over any change in market-share. Enough so to nitpick over a few percentage points and retaliate with a campaign like this. (Tell me, at the height of the pre-bundled, defacto-standard Windows Empire -- How often did you see their OS advertised?)
(by the by, how do tactics like this by Microsoft strain their relationship with Apple? I would think Jobs, being an artist at heart, would hate a blatent copy like this.)
Thank you for the clarification. I was concerned that since this was being implemented via. phone equipment, it would fall under that category. So, correct me if I am wrong again, a wire-tap concerns the information transfered only over the wire, but no metadata concerning the conversation, i.e. where and when it happened, possible videotaping of the conversation, sound amplification and recording on a party in the conversation, etc.? That can all be gathered freely?
If this is forging new legislative waters as well, I hope they do come up with something soon limiting the use of such systems without court approval. To me, it seems Video surveillance systems are easier to use without order to gather information and use against people, being that possession of the system that is recording you is 9/10ths of the law (Security Cameras, Traffic Cameras, X10 Cameras, etc.).
Having read about the recent demonstration of Bluetooth and IPv6 by Mike Foley, I was truly amazed. If this is the next step in component communication and networking, what will then be the step after that? When our objects and ourselves are networked so quickly and simply, in what do you foresee the next big innovation for the field? Thank you for your time.
I really dig this, man. It's a good cause and it helps your family realise that they have choices, lots of them. Noticing that alot of people are recommending office productivity suites (which is cool, but you can only recommend Open Office/AbiWord/Gimp so many times =P) or server/high-end programs (very commendable, but...very time-consuming if anything like what I had to do to teach my parents), I wanted to include a list of games I figured might brighten their day.
First off, glTron. GPLed and very very addicting. Great to show off the fact that 3D Gaming and Linux are not mutually exclusive. (I would mention TuxRacer here, but it has been said before)
Secondly I want to go old-school with Nethack. I mean, it's Nethack. If someone in your family thinks they are cool because they can survive a Zerg-rush, let them play this and see how tough they are.;)
Thirdly I would mention anything old by Id. They have a ton of free mods and maps for Quake or Quake II and with the new Tenebrae mod it's not your Mom's old Quake. Plus if you compile it for their PC on their PC, it might get them interested in Programming.
Which brings me to my last addition, Dev-C++. For the Casual Programmer (i.e. takes a few courses, kinda C-curious) This is the perfect IDE. Based on GCC it has a good-looking front-end, great support, and takes up ALOT less space than Visual Studio. I know at least one teacher that recommends the students run this, and rightly so. It really puts the brain-strain on the appropriate part of programming, the actual program.
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In the beginning of any movement that opposes the way some majority-holding entity does things, it is good to raise a little cain to get noticed. But once people start noticing, it is better to focus on what your movement is about, seperating it from the losing strategy from the competing entity. In a few years, Microsoft may be no more, why associate yourself with them, even in contrast? OSS is good enough to stand on its own.
Viva La Difference!
You raise an interesting point! I think all the data we have given these companies by downloading tracks off of P2P clients has been negated in their eyes because it was illegal, or at least, not making someone money.
They didn't say "Hey, maybe people are trying to tell us to lower prices!" or "Say, people really dig certain tracks instead of full albums, perhaps we should sell discs on a track-by-track basis." Instead, they just cried "Thieeeeeves!" and discounted the entire movement and any legitimate idea it was trying to convey.
It seems that companies refuse to compete against something that is free, just slander and preach against it. If we want to be taken seriously, we need to find a company that is seen in the eyes of BMG as a legit competetor and then endorse their goods over BMG's. If that were to happen, they might then get the point.
Thank you for the correction and clarification. I will attempt to use better wording when I phrase my responses. =)
I appreciate the response. Let me clarify, I am not attacking the people, that are customers just like you and I, that compose the entity BMG, but I am opposing the practices BMG is employing. To wit, somewhere in that company exists someone who stopped being a customer just like you and I. It is this person, or groups of people who are making these kinds of decisions into what we want, before we know we want it. I would say that if BMG were going by strictly what customers want, then this would have never happened. But those people who are not customers any more are listening to a higher power ($$$). That is what I dislike. Now, I am not a revolutionary, or a utopianist, but when someone puts the care and concern of their customers below greed and profit, that really lowers my opinion of them drastically.
Like someone said earlier, companies that are ignoring their customers are truly on their last legs.
I know we'll eventually find a way around this copy-protection, I have no worries about that. What bothers me is the "Suck It Down!"(c) attitude BMG is taking on forcing people to buy new hardware if the disc doesn't work. I think they have the relationship between consumer and manufacturer switched. It's not like they are gracing our lowly presence, the hoi polloi, with goods they toss to us like slop to pigs.
"Here, this should be good enough for all of you. Too bad if you don't like it. Sooooooooooouuuuuuuiiiiiiiii!"
And yet they seem to act that way when trying to herd us all into something like this. I am a consumer, dagnabbit! I should be telling these companies what I want, and make sure they give it to me. It is the consumers who should be dictating where the market goes. But who is still listening to us? When did things change? Consumers have rights, use them!
Right now, Microsoft is becoming a huge partner in providing Operating Systems for periphials such as PDAs, Tablet PCs, Media Boxes, etc. etc. Heck, they're even help create hardware to further departmentalize their OS. They would never give that away. What they will do is help subsidize hardware research and development and make sure their OS is the only one that works on that new product.
They don't need the PC market any more, they've found something much much better. *shudder*
On the PC...and it was like...*beep beep beep bleep bleep bleePOP sizzzzzzzzzzt crackle POW fizzZZZzzzZZTTTT*
(Sorry, the voices in my head told me to do it...)
"The author then goes on to explain the several techniques like attack and penetration and active reconnaissance. Not only does the author tell you how they would in a technical sense, he provides code that does it, and explains each piece."
If dangerous books like this are distributed, the cyberterrorists have already won!
I take it that the author is in favor of using exploits for testing purposes for absolutely certainity in securifying a network? Or does he just test the theories and not the implementations? I personally think a good mix of both is needed in a security toolkit book. Overview of theories so that admins can develop specific solutions for their networks. And specific examples in order to really test what's out there. Nothing like fighting the mongol hordes with un-tested experimental weaponry.
For people sharing their connection in an area? I mean, I think it's a good thing, but with ISPs coming down on open access points, I can see them trying to limit the area in which your WiFi connection is broadcast. Are they able to do that? IANABroadcaster, but will this come under the same restrictions possibly as HAM operators or other radio broadcasters?
Master Gates, Don't hate me! I really like Windows! I do! I really believe in the power of the MCSE! I didn't just shell out a bunch of money for them to get my foot in the door to the businesses in my area! I promise I'll be good! Honest! It's not true! I don't run Linux at home! Don't find my lack of humor disturbing!!! (Sorry, slow day at work, I'm getting slap-happy)
I had added a to the end of the post, but forgot to set the message type to "Extrans." D'oh!
Common Criteria certification so it can be just as secure as my Windows 2000 boxen!
With Bigger Shots! (Though, only in Japanese) http://www.elecom.co.jp/news/20021015/mapp/index.
Something about a way to connect most of the industrialized nations in the world in order to better exchange information and form a community....naaaaaaaah. Way too idealistic. It'd never work (It still doesn't work if you ask me).
I mean, that's the only explanation I can come up with. Ours just...you know, sits there. We go there once, get bored and come back. So we spend our time looking at other planets' moons instead of making it back to ours. I mean really. Give our moon some lubbin'!
The Government uses our money to license out companies to make software for them, that they in-turn will not have to release to the public since technically the government never made it in the first place. And then the government grants licenses to other companies to recoup our costs and yet we don't get to see the program or a refund if the government liscenses out said technology? Dire Straits said it best, Money for Nothing and our Programs for Free!
Satellite Radio and XM will basically become options on luxury cars so that those companies can get paid up-front for service. The manufacteurer will then pass off the cost to the consumer, and most likely the monthly fee will disappear. Or, they maybe just make it standard in luxury vehicles. The possabilities for markets for their products are there. I just don't see them using those markets.
To watch one of your hall-mates in college flail about wildly playing Quake with a device like that.
Thank you much for the information. Having never owned one of these devices, I was not sure if DRM had been implemented in the hardware yet, or if it was still software-only.
Will it support DRM-only transfers/songs?
I find it surprising that Microsoft feels the need to use this style of marketing campaign. Not for the fact that is blatently copying Apple's Switch campaign, my surprise for MS copying other people's work ran out years ago.
What surprises me is that it has been found that market leaders need not identify themselves in their campaigns -- it is implicit that most consumers will choose said market-leader. For example: Campbell's doesn't need a campaign that says "Buy Campbell's" It just needs to say "Buy Soup" and most consumers will choose their soup. This marketing push of their OS by name in a popular style, at least to me, says that Microsoft is really getting worried over any change in market-share. Enough so to nitpick over a few percentage points and retaliate with a campaign like this. (Tell me, at the height of the pre-bundled, defacto-standard Windows Empire -- How often did you see their OS advertised?)
(by the by, how do tactics like this by Microsoft strain their relationship with Apple? I would think Jobs, being an artist at heart, would hate a blatent copy like this.)
Thank you for the clarification. I was concerned that since this was being implemented via. phone equipment, it would fall under that category. So, correct me if I am wrong again, a wire-tap concerns the information transfered only over the wire, but no metadata concerning the conversation, i.e. where and when it happened, possible videotaping of the conversation, sound amplification and recording on a party in the conversation, etc.? That can all be gathered freely?
If this is forging new legislative waters as well, I hope they do come up with something soon limiting the use of such systems without court approval. To me, it seems Video surveillance systems are easier to use without order to gather information and use against people, being that possession of the system that is recording you is 9/10ths of the law (Security Cameras, Traffic Cameras, X10 Cameras, etc.).
The tin-foil hat I wear to keep the government out of my head can help them find my phone.
So how does this interfere with UK's wiretapping laws (if any apply)? I am not up to policies for police across the pond.
Having read about the recent demonstration of Bluetooth and IPv6 by Mike Foley, I was truly amazed. If this is the next step in component communication and networking, what will then be the step after that? When our objects and ourselves are networked so quickly and simply, in what do you foresee the next big innovation for the field? Thank you for your time.
I really dig this, man. It's a good cause and it helps your family realise that they have choices, lots of them. Noticing that alot of people are recommending office productivity suites (which is cool, but you can only recommend Open Office/AbiWord/Gimp so many times =P) or server/high-end programs (very commendable, but...very time-consuming if anything like what I had to do to teach my parents), I wanted to include a list of games I figured might brighten their day.
First off, glTron. GPLed and very very addicting. Great to show off the fact that 3D Gaming and Linux are not mutually exclusive. (I would mention TuxRacer here, but it has been said before)
Secondly I want to go old-school with Nethack. I mean, it's Nethack. If someone in your family thinks they are cool because they can survive a Zerg-rush, let them play this and see how tough they are. ;)
Thirdly I would mention anything old by Id. They have a ton of free mods and maps for Quake or Quake II and with the new Tenebrae mod it's not your Mom's old Quake. Plus if you compile it for their PC on their PC, it might get them interested in Programming.
Which brings me to my last addition, Dev-C++. For the Casual Programmer (i.e. takes a few courses, kinda C-curious) This is the perfect IDE. Based on GCC it has a good-looking front-end, great support, and takes up ALOT less space than Visual Studio. I know at least one teacher that recommends the students run this, and rightly so. It really puts the brain-strain on the appropriate part of programming, the actual program.