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Galileo's Flyby of Almathea

An anonymous reader writes "The spectacular Galileo flybys of Jupiter, Europa and Io are largely credited with the discovery of frozen water ice and some of the earliest examples of non-solar (tidal) heating anywhere in our solar system. For the next 10 days, Galileo scientists are preparing for their next target: probing one of Jupiter's moons, Almathea, at the close-up range of 100 miles. Almathea is one of the most unusual moons in the solar system, because it gives off more heat than it receives from the Sun."

169 comments

  1. frozen water ice? by deaton · · Score: 4, Funny

    is that anything like unfrozen ice water?

    1. Re:frozen water ice? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Informative

      The point is that 'ice' can be made from all sorts of liquids - water is just one of them.

    2. Re:frozen water ice? by Blackneto · · Score: 1, Informative

      But all ice is in a frozen state no matter what it's made out of. I just thing he was pointing out the redundancy of saying "Frozen Ice"

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    3. Re:frozen water ice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The point of the joke was that the submitted wrote frozen water ice.
      The water part wasn't part of the joke.
      One more time, so you get it:
      frozen ice
      Its an unnecessary repetition, get it?
      If you don't get a joke, don't say anything, cause when someone points it out, it ruins the joke for everyone else.

      Just imagine, you ruined something for thousands of people. Maybe you should turn off your computer for the rest of the day. You've done enough damage.

    4. Re:frozen water ice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's funny, number one.

      Number two frozen water would be sufficient, the word ice is redundant.

      Go grade some papers Professor Williams

    5. Re:frozen water ice? by red_dragon · · Score: 1

      I think they were talking about italian water ice.

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    6. Re:frozen water ice? by hatchet · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That is not true!
      Ice is water in solid state.
      Solid mercury is not ice, nor is any other solid compound else than water.

    7. Re:frozen water ice? by DustMagnet · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Maybe they wanted to point out that the water had been frozen to form ice at some point. There are people who believe it was just created as ice, so it was never frozen.

      No wait. Nevermind.

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    8. Re:frozen water ice? by comic-not · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, ices can exist in the crystalline or amorphous phase. E.g. the water ice inside cometary nuclei is in amorphous form, and one can argue that it is technically not frozen, because it has originally been built from such tiny particles that there hasn't been a meaningful macrostate (BTW, did you ever create amorphous sulphur in the chemistry class?) to call it such. When amorphous ice is heated, it turns to the 'normal', crystalline phase, which more closely resembles our concept of 'frozen'. I don't know, however, whether the original poster tried to express this distinction.

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    9. Re:frozen water ice? by comic-not · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ever tasted dry ice cream? I thought not. Dry ice is carbon dioxide ice. In planetary physics, all volatile compounds in solid form are known as ices.

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    10. Re:frozen water ice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According the the Discovery Channel last night, one of the moons has volcanoes of 'molten ice'. I'm not sure what that entails, but it makes 'frozen water ice' a little less flame-worthy. So there.

      One show focused on Earth's moon, while a separate one discussed the other planets'. There were really quite good.

    11. Re:frozen water ice? by evilpenguin · · Score: 2

      I dunno. Someone who has been on /. for >5 years and has only made 30 comments might be very smart indeed. People who talk a lot may seem smart, but... (This is from a guy who talks all the time, BTW)

    12. Re:frozen water ice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "dry ice" is marketing term and has NOTHING to do with physics.

    13. Re:frozen water ice? by comic-not · · Score: 2, Informative

      "dry ice" is marketing term and has NOTHING to do with physics.

      Indeed, I tried to stay on the same colloquial level as the previous poster. But I happen to be a space scientist with a Ph.D. in physics, and my field of study is, surprisingly enough, comets. And when planetary scientists discuss these things, they say water ice, methane ice, CO2 ice, et.c., to make it clear what they are talking about, since, as I said, all volatiles in solid form are called ices.

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  2. Gives out more heat that it recieves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lisa, In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

    Yes i know there are other explainations

    1. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by TooCynical · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yet another law to disobey... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2135779.stm

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    2. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by verag · · Score: 5, Informative
      The planet itself does this as well... "...Jupiter radiates nearly twice as much heat as it receives from the Sun." Found here

      Jupiter is by far the most interesting planet (with it's moons) to me, other than the Earth. More information as well as pictures can be found on NASA's site for the planet itself.

    3. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think at least Io was so volcanic and active because of the extreme "tidal waves" from Jupiter. The "waves" are, due to the huge gravitation of Jupiter, so strong they pull solid matter and this of course cause quite a bit of friction. And friction cause heat. Not really surprising, since such a small object as our Moon does funny things to our seas. :-)

      Anyway, to my point, perhaps the same applies to Amalthea?

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    4. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by KoopaTroopa · · Score: 1

      Our Moon may be small absolutely, but it was my understanding that it was HUGE for a moon of a planet Earth's size. It is, what, 1/6 of Earth's mass?

      Imagine a moon 1/6 of Jupiter's mass :)

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    5. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by evilpenguin · · Score: 2

      Our moon pulls earth's solid surface out of shape too. The amount of motion is much smaller than the ocean's but it is not inconsiderable. Can anyone closer to their Geology 101 class or Astronomy 101 class remember how many inches the crust moves tidally? (Okay, cm's?)

    6. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by at_18 · · Score: 2

      The moon is about 1/4 of Earth's diameter, but only 1/81 of its mass (in other words, it's really a huge moon for our planet).

      In an absolute sense, it's quite big: its size is similar to that of the biggest Jupiter satellites (Io, Europa, Ganimede, Callisto).

      In the solar systems, there are over 50 moons, and our Moon is in the top 5 or so.

    7. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by adrizk · · Score: 1

      I think you're exaggerating, I don't know if Jupiter's gravity is strong enough to pull solid matter..

      On a serious note, tidal forces are not caused by "tidal waves" from Jupiter, but by the difference in gravitational force between the near (closer to Jupiter) and far sides of IO (gravity diminishes as distance squared).

      Jupiter's gravity is essentially trying to pull poor little IO apart, and IO by resisting is converting all that energy into motion and heat

    8. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by adrizk · · Score: 1

      And yeah, I did just notice that I spelled Io in all caps.. IO.. I obviously spend too much time thinking about computers..

    9. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      The "waves" are, due to the huge gravitation of Jupiter, so strong they pull solid matter and this of course cause quite a bit of friction.


      Guess what? The same thing happens on Earth. The solid earth has tides of about 7-14cm each day, caused mostly by the moon. It does cause some heat, but not much. By far the most important source of internal heat for the Earth is radioactive decay, followed by heat of fusion (solidifying core) and recrystallization, IIRC.

    10. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think at least Io was so volcanic and active because of the extreme "tidal waves" from Jupiter. The "waves" are, due to the huge gravitation of Jupiter, so strong they pull solid matter and this of course cause quite a bit of friction. And friction cause heat. Not really surprising, since such a small object as our Moon does funny things to our seas. :-)

      IIRC Io being heated is part of an interaction with the other Jovian moons. What happens is that a moon generating tides also transfers energy to the moon, so that it moves away from the planet it orbits. This is what happens here on Earth.
      With Io the interaction of the other large moons keeps in in orbit, so the energy shows up as vulcanism.

    11. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by palndrumm · · Score: 1

      Can anyone closer to their Geology 101 class or Astronomy 101 class remember how many inches the crust moves tidally?

      My off-the-top-of-my-head memory is telling me that it's around 50cm (about 20 inches, or 0.006 American football fields, if I've made my calculations correctly...)

    12. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by Squalish · · Score: 1

      Just on a side note: So IO is losing kinetic energy by heating itself up(I know, I know, same thing in physics, but different in astrophysics). That means that as it continues to heat itself up, it slows down, and is pulled farther into Jupiter's grav-field. Eventually, when it pierces Jupiter's upper cloud-layers, it will be going very slow orbitally, but faster vertically toward jupiter, and much hotter than it is now. Come on, children, astrophysics is fun!

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  3. Almathea must be overclocked by phpinfo() · · Score: 3, Funny

    Doesn't anyone make a good cooling system for moons?

  4. I'm a little Confused by ksplatter · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought this Galileo guy died a long time ago. And with him being so busy with Astronomy how did he ever find the time to learn how to Fly?

    Boy you sure learn something new everyday reading Slashdot!

    1. Re:I'm a little Confused by apt142 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Haven't you read the Hitchhiker's Guide? Flying is easy. All you have to do is throw yourself at the ground and miss.

  5. heat generator by scrod98 · · Score: 5, Funny
    because it gives off more heat than it receives from the Sun

    And NASA releases a picture of the Intel Inside logo on the surface...

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    1. Re:heat generator by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      NASA releases a picture of the Intel Inside logo on the surface...

      AMD, surely...

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    2. Re:heat generator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't see the AMD mascots jumping around in asbestos suits.

    3. Re:heat generator by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2

      Old Navy will do a commercial there next.

  6. Guide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a Lonely Planet guide for this destination?

    1. Re:Guide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No, but Moon Handbooks has one out.

  7. what are they hoping to find? by Transient0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    a civilization of alien potheads who have hotboxed an entire atmosphere?

    or maybe the worlds biggest overclocked processor.

    I can't think of any other reasonable theory to account for this moon radiating so much heat.

    1. Re:what are they hoping to find? by isorox · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't think of any other reasonable theory to account for this moon radiating so much heat.

      Perhaps the 65,000 processors in IBM's new computer?

    2. Re:what are they hoping to find? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suppose there was large quantities of radioactive materials, these would give off quite some energy as heat.

    3. Re:what are they hoping to find? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I can't think of any other reasonable theory to account for this moon radiating so much heat.

      Gravitational stresses from that big planet nearby.

    4. Re:what are they hoping to find? by DjMd · · Score: 3, Funny

      Geothermal/volcanic comes to mind?
      Doesn't Io's volcanic activity come from jupiter's pull?

      That would be my first guess...



      That or the monolith left the hot plate pluged in...

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    5. Re:what are they hoping to find? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      See this page for more info.

      http://www.nineplanets.org/amalthea.html#amalthe a

    6. Re:what are they hoping to find? by masterkool · · Score: 1

      Yes, radioactive materials release energy, but not heat (usually) during regular breakdown. The release three main types of rays/particles; alpha, beta and gamma. Alpha particles are helium nuclei (i.e. 2 protons and two neutrons), beta particles are free, high speed electrons and gamma particles/waves are high energy photons. For more info this site has a good description (basically the saem as in this post now that I look) plue some pics.

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  8. Earth has Moon Envy by Zech+Harvey · · Score: 5, Funny


    I mean, that's the only explanation I can come up with. Ours just...you know, sits there. We go there once, get bored and come back. So we spend our time looking at other planets' moons instead of making it back to ours. I mean really. Give our moon some lubbin'!

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    1. Re:Earth has Moon Envy by edremy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Nah. Ours is the biggest, at least in relation to our size. (Forget Pluto+Charon; they're just comets that took a wrong turn.)

      It's not the number, it's the size, baby.

      (And in seriousness, there's a fair number of theories that think life would not have come about without the large tides raised by the moon.)

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  9. Nice rendered pictures by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of us who aren't very much at home in astronomy and it's terms and who just want to see (relatively) pretty pictures; Celestia also has Almathea available for your viewing pleasure, along with allot of different stuff in our solar system and even beyond there. Besides, it's a pretty proggy... :)

  10. Almathea? by CommandNotFound · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...isn't that the planet where they used to build luxury planets for the super-rich?

    1. Re:Almathea? by MaestroSartori · · Score: 1

      Assuming you're not joking, presumably you would mean Magrathea...?

    2. Re:Almathea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      s/Io/Europa/

    3. Re:Almathea? by JimPooley · · Score: 3, Informative

      I thought the quote was "All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landings there" after Jupiter ignited to melt the ice...

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    4. Re:Almathea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't that europa?

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    5. Re:Almathea? by BRSQUIRRL · · Score: 1


      I'm really glad that I wasn't the only one that thought of that... :)

    6. Re:Almathea? by shd99004 · · Score: 2
      If I remember correctly:


      All these worlds are yours
      Except Europa
      Attempt no landing there
      Use them together
      Use them in peace

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    7. Re:Almathea? by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > I thought the quote was "All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landings there"

      All these moon are belong to you.
      Except Europa. Europa are belong to us.
      You have no chance to survive, make your time.
      Move "Discovery"! For great monolith!

      Hmm, I think must've seen the Japanese translation...

    8. Re:Almathea? by ceswiedler · · Score: 2

      boy i wish i had mod points

    9. Re:Almathea? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      The last two lines are from the movie only. The first three are from the novel.

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  11. Shift the focus already by Drunken+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Spending all these resources investigation such distant objects in outer space when there is so much so close to us that we have yet to get a good view of. Walk before we run people!

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    1. Re:Shift the focus already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, most objects we find that close to us is junk. Perhaps we should focus on learning something new than studying decades old garbage?

    2. Re:Shift the focus already by Cujo · · Score: 1

      It's not distant at all - in the same solar system, roughly a light-hour away. How close do you need it?

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    3. Re:Shift the focus already by Blackneto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um, Galileo has been orbiting Jupiter for 7 years. It's not like it's costing them a lot more to do this.
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    4. Re:Shift the focus already by ChuckDivine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I strongly support looking for close in objects, it's not like it's an either/or situation. The world has lots of astronomers (and other kinds of scientists as well). We also have resources sufficient to do research into a wide variety of astronomical phenomena.

      Those of us who have actually done some political work in support of looking for earth approaching asteroids only ask for a few millions of dollars to finance such work. Focusing all of our attention on nearby objects would be foolish and wasteful in the extreme.

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    5. Re:Shift the focus already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The objects you describe would require escaping from earth's gravity well. And as you should know, once you've broken from earth you've made it most of the way to the rest of the solar system. So it boils down to

      spending a couple hundred million sending a probe to examine a nearby rock in great detail

      --or--

      spending a couple hundred million sending a probe to study numerous planets and their satellites in great detail.

    6. Re:Shift the focus already by Blackneto · · Score: 1

      I was mistaken, it's been on it's way to Jupiter for since 1995.
      My bad...

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    7. Re:Shift the focus already by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 1

      Galileo was launched in 1989 and completed its primary mission in 1997. The costs of doing additional investigation are minimal compared to the cost of building an entirely different probe. Basically, any images we get from Gallileo are comparatively dirt cheap, so we might as well keep it running.

  12. For those looking for Earth like planets... by MrFenty · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This sort of place is exactly the sort of reason I think, if we find life elsewhere in the universe (intelligent or otherwise) then it won't have to be on a planet that looks exactly like Earth and at roughly 1 AU from its local star. Here we have a moon that gives off heat, at a very large distance from its sun. There is no reason for us to be arrogant enough to assume that life can only exist on a place that looks identical to our place. This really bugs me, when I see people say "life can't exist there, that planet is twice Earth's distance from its star..." and rubbish like that. Aarrgghh !

    Sorry, I needed that rant.

    1. Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Informative

      To continue your rant philosophically...

      We are ignorant when it comes to life. What exactly is life? We only know what life is within our world.
      Astronomers get excited at the fact that we can find water on Mars and Europa, meaning they could have life, because our knowledge of life involves water. But, as far as we know, there could be life on the moon, we just aren't looking for it correctly.
      If (or when, depending on your philosophy) we find extraterrestrial life, it will be when we aren't looking for it, IMHO.

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    2. Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... by mustangdavis · · Score: 3, Interesting
      We are ignorant when it comes to life. What exactly is life?


      Isn't this why there are plans to retrieve some of the upper atmosphere of Venus? There have been several articles on /. recently describing how there could be life in Venus's upper atmosphere ... just floating around, using carbon monoxide and the energy from the sun as a means of sustaining life.

      BTW: I doubt you're going to find water on a planet as hot as Venus :)

      This is why I REALLY hope there is life on Venus ... it will make everyone take a hard look at where we should be looking for life. These "aliens" won't have arms and legs as we think of them, which would also be excellent!

      But it would definately be cooler if we found something a bit more advanced than floating bacteria on Almathea, Europa or IO.

      If there was life that was slightly more advanced, it is only a matter of time before someone from N*Sync will want to take a field trip out there ...

    3. Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... by aurelian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Planet hunters don't assume that life can only exist on earth-like planets. However they do assume that life might be more likely to be found on earth-like planets. hence it's worth looking for them.

    4. Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... by overunderunderdone · · Score: 5, Informative

      This really bugs me, when I see people say "life can't exist there, that planet is twice Earth's distance from its star..." and rubbish like that. Aarrgghh !

      If you are ranting about the "rare earth hypothesis" you should remember that the authors believe that life is MUCH more common than was previously believed. However they believe that advanced life and advanced civilizations are MUCH rarer than previously believed and do require conditions substantially similar to earths. Even you own post basically makes some of the same assumptions - you see the heat from this moon as promising because that heat is one of the prerequisites for life, the rare earth hypothesis adds additional prerequisites which must be present for *advanced* life. There are those that simply assume without thinking that life must evolve on a planet substantially similar to earth. The rare earth hypothesis arrived at pretty much the same conclusion through serious thought on the subject. They may be wrong (we simply don't have enough data) but their reasoning is sound and not based on simple prejudice or ignorance.

    5. Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basic chemistry: carbon chains are "special" and always associated with living matter. Water is important because genetic combustion cannot take place without it. It's a tricky situation since life has been studied on our world and the laws of nature are the same everywhere. Hence, carbon + water equates to life here...and probably there.

    6. Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... by susano_otter · · Score: 2

      Also, that "Class M" planets will be more likely to sustain human life, making their discovery not just of interest to the scientific community in a "we hope to find alien life here" kind of way, but also intensely personal to the human race in a "we hope to someday live here" kind of way.

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  13. Looking at Jupiter and its moons by igotmybfg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Two summers ago, one of my friends in University here asked me to come outside with her and look at something which she described as 'cool'. Thinking I might get some :) I went with her, and we set up a tripod and telescope and ended up watching the stars all night long. For a time we focused on Jupiter, and though I couldn't see Almathea, I did see Jupiter, Callisto, Io, Europa, and Ganymede. The thought that there was nothing (well, almost nothing) in between me and those huge, huge objects that were so very far away still sends tingling down my spine whenever I think about it. It reminds me, when I think that there is pretty much nothing left to do or discover, that there is indeed a whole universe out there, waiting for (or perhaps indifferent to) us.

    Cheers!

    1. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by allanj · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, I think I speak (type?) for all of us here - did you, in fact, get some?

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    2. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by Comen · · Score: 0

      Or what happened when you tried to get some?
      If a girl takes you out to watch the stars, I hope you at least tried and didnt get so into watching the stars you forgot!

    3. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by tsa · · Score: 2

      Better than sex huh?

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    4. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by archen · · Score: 4, Funny

      in between me and those huge, huge objects that were so very far away still sends tingling down my spine whenever I think about it.

      I think so.

    5. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by vinlud · · Score: 5, Funny

      The thought that there was nothing (well, almost nothing) in between me and those huge, huge objects that were so very far away still sends tingling down my spine whenever I think about it. It reminds me, when I think that there is pretty much nothing left to do or discover, that there is indeed a whole universe out there, waiting for (or perhaps indifferent to) us.

      You're talking 'bout the girl now right?

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    6. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by Da+Fokka · · Score: 1

      Huge objects that are so very far away? Sounds like a technical university campus for sure, dude :)

    7. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by Gutboy_Barrelhouse · · Score: 1
      - did you, in fact, get some?

      Well, it sounds promising so far...

      The thought that there was nothing (well, almost nothing) in between me and those huge, huge objects that were so very far away still sends tingling down my spine whenever I think about it.

    8. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by smithmc · · Score: 1

      The thought that there was nothing (well, almost nothing) in between me and those huge, huge objects that were so very far away still sends tingling down my spine whenever I think about it.

      Just a thin wisp of cotton, and a growing lump of flesh...

      (C'mon, let's keep this going! The Slashdot Harlequin Romance Novel! ;-)

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    9. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a thin wisp of cotton, and a growing lump of flesh...

      The boil on my armpit grew, almost as if the moons of Jupiter were beckoning it.

    10. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      "...and those huge, huge objects that were so very far away..."

      Guess not, eh ;)

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    11. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by geoswan · · Score: 1
      Jeez, way to confirm all the worst stereotypes gals have about us guys! Sheesh. Our hero knows a gal, who is a friend, who is really interested in Science. How often does that happen?

      Maybe she liked him well enough to not look ascance if he made an overture? Or maybe she just thought she knew she could trust him?

      In my opinion, he should be honoured, either way. He is a lucky guy.

      And he had an opportunity to be awed by the immensity of the Universe. This is the kind of memory one treasures for the rest of one's life. It sounds to me as if he was lucky that being awestruck induced him to forget to try to "score". That wouldn't have been nearly as memorable. And, if he does try to get her to take the relationship to an intimate level, they will already have a really special shared memory.

      My advice would be not to let the comments of the others here cheapen that memory.

    12. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by cr0sh · · Score: 2
      Whether you got some or not aside, I know what you mean. When I think of things like this, the fact that we humans actually have the tech to perform such feats - probes to other planets, men on other worlds - it causes within me the same kind of reaction.

      Then tears come to my eyes...

      For I know that despite all of this, despite the facts, despite the wonder, despite the possibilities - the majority of humans do not care one way or the other about it. They would rather war, rape, pillage, and plunder to death a world which currently is the only one we have - yet they seem unable to grasp this simple concept. These same humans continue to believe in the idea of an invisible being "in the sky", a being who apparently hates other invisible beings, who insists that those invisible beings be destroyed, along with those who believe in that being, or don't believe in his being. Yet these same humans consider such concepts as the "easter bunny" and "santa claus" to be fantasy imaginings of children's fairytales.

      These people continually fight, some for their invisible men, most for more space - when with a little solidarity, and the realization that humans really do only get one life, and that death shouldn't be feared (do those who fear the consequences of a fictional afterlife wonder what came before their birth - also, if they don't remember what came before, what logic says they will know what comes after?), and that by there only being one life per each living thing, makes that life ALL THE MORE PRECIOUS. This logic doesn't destroy morality, but affirms it in a great way. With this realisation, working together to explore all of these other worlds would expand the space available for mankind, while furthering our wonder and the workings of the universe. Why does it seem so few can get these rather simple concepts?

      Perhaps we really are nothing more than "advanced animals", and really don't deserve all of what is out there..

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    13. Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons by SmokeSerpent · · Score: 2

      When the female friend in HS pulled me outside to "show [me] something", all I got was sex.

      Dammit!

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  14. Good heavens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not once, not twice, but three times did you say "Almathea". It's Amalthea!

    1. Re:Good heavens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're fucking idiots is what they are. I never complain about spelling, but couldn't these "professionals" copy edit at least the title fer cryin' out loud? What the hell are they calling themselves "editors" for, anyway?

  15. heat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is it in any way possible that Amalthea recieves additional energy from the radiation and gravity in the Jupiter system?

    1. Re:heat by thorgil · · Score: 1

      yeah ... like tidal forces create friction heat...

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  16. Re:Io and Europa give out more heat also.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They give out more heat "infrared energy" than they recieve from the sun " all wavelengths" because they have tidal heating.

    Heck, even the earth does also due to a radioactively heated core.

    Perhaps, the missing word is noticebly or measureably more heat.

  17. Monolith? by alexc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did Galileo find a Black Monolith yet?

    1. Re:Monolith? by Mr_Dyqik · · Score: 2

      It'd have to go to Saturn to find that... Japetus (or maybe Iapetus) is the place to go.

    2. Re:Monolith? by uncoveror · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

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    3. Re:Monolith? by khendron · · Score: 3, Informative

      No no no. Clarke envisioned Amalthea (a.k.a Jupiter V) as great big a spaceship, used by an extinct alien race to move to our solar system. See here.

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    4. Re:Monolith? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "Did Galileo find a Black Monolith yet?"

      Wrong system. You'll have to look at what's in orbit around Saturn. It doesn't teleport to the Jovian system until Kubrick gets involved, and since he's now dead...

    5. Re:Monolith? by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > Did Galileo find a Black Monolith yet?

      The sad thing is we'll never know, because for want of $100,000 - or rather, because of a bureaucratic culture at NASA - we won't be taking any pictures as we fly by it at 100 km range.

      So for anyone that wondered exactly what's in that red stuff that Io's splattered all over Amalthea's surface over the past few million years, tough. Wait for the next Jupiter probe. What's another 20-30 years, huh? But at least we've got a useless space station in a useless orbit!

    6. Re:Monolith? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      The original concept of the Star Gate was a hole in Amalthea (Jupiter V). See The Lost Worlds of 2001 for more details.

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  18. Almathea? by Kierthos · · Score: 3, Funny

    "All these are yours, save Io. Attempt no landing there."

    No problem, guv. These other moons look much more interesting.

    Kierthos

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  19. AmaLthea, not ALmathea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hell, has nobody noticed that the real name is Amalthea?
    Where are your classics!?
    She was the goat that nurtured baby Zeus = Jupiter!

    1. Re:AmaLthea, not ALmathea by e-town · · Score: 1

      Yeah I noticed. For a second I thought I was going to have to rename my DNS server. She's been named Amalthea for almost a year now.

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    2. Re:AmaLthea, not ALmathea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >She was the goat that nurtured baby Zeus = Jupiter!

      Across the solar system for goatse.cx ...

    3. Re:AmaLthea, not ALmathea by garf · · Score: 1

      And I'll have to rename mine to Sun :)

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  20. Earth Mark 2 by KlomDark · · Score: 2

    Isn't the extra heat because of all the other planets being built there?

    Oh wait, that's Magrathea...

  21. Amalthea by Blackneto · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Correct spelling is Amalthea.
    It says so on the JPL's website.
    Also Amalthea was a nymph that nursed Jupiter in mythology. This fits in with the naming of the other moons.
    It looks like it was only misspelled once on the astrobio site which may be the cause of the confusion.

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  22. More than just little green men. by Njoyda+Sauce · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, as interesting as it would be to find alien life on one of these moons, the more probable scientific interest here would be unlocking a new method of heat creation.

    In the future as we attempt to colonize anything other than earth, we might find it's a bit chilly out there. Generating long-term, sustaining heat on a planetary scale without a nearby sun would be a feat indeed! Through closer study we may learn how to artificially introduce these systems to climates that are less hospitable.

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    1. Re:More than just little green men. by Da+Fokka · · Score: 2, Informative

      The fact that it radiates more heat than it receives implies that there's some kind of heat source within the planet, something like a metal core not unlike earth's.

      When we're capable of artificially introducing something like that into a planet most likely, we're capable of building our own (planets, that is ;).

    2. Re:More than just little green men. by Njoyda+Sauce · · Score: 1

      From the article:

      It is the reddest object so far seen within in the solar system and appears to give out more heat than it receives from the Sun, perhaps from either radiation bands around Jupiter or tidal heating.

      The source of the heat is not the core of the moon.

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    3. Re:More than just little green men. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The source of the heat is not the core of the moon.


      Uh, why do you say that? The article only says that the heating MAY be from radiation bands or tidal heating, i.e. no one knows what causes it. On Earth, internal heat is mostly caused by radioactive decay, so this is probably a possability on Amalthea also.

  23. Reminds me of... by El+Jynx · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Almathea is one of the most unusual moons in the solar system, because it gives off more heat than it ceives from the Sun."

    Funny. My girl does the same thing during the more active cycles.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of... by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

      Your girl gives off heat with only sunlight? Where can I get one like that? :D

  24. Just for a minute now... by Qbertino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..I just imagined they find an abandoned settlement/station or reactor or something on/in that moon. I mean really. Just imagine.
    That would render all that debating about economy, sadam, snipers and all that stuff irrelevant, wouldn't it?
    Funny to imagine. Things shure would change. For a while that is.

    *sigh* Gotta get that code done... :-)

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    1. Re:Just for a minute now... by krinsh · · Score: 1

      I thought of the same thing. On the other hand; I wondered if one of the last pictures Gal sent was of it being picked up by whatever was out there. One can still hope; especially with some of the long-range viewing activities noticing stars and objects in deep space that seem to have water or life-supporting environments on them. Again, one can only hope.

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  25. It's Amalthea, stupid by 21mhz · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I mean, I realise you Americans can't memorize all those wicked ancient names (can you spell the name of your neighbour, if anything?).
    But come on, all the poster had to do right is to cut-n-paste it from the article: Amalthea.

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    1. Re:It's Amalthea, stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn how to spell neighbor like a civilized person and then get back to us.

  26. Leaves me feeling depressed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Every time I read stories on Galileo I get an incredable feeling of depression, not because the mission has been a failure, it has not. Rather that the craft never reached its full potentual. Early in the mission, the main arial to earth never opened meaning that the amount of pictures we get now are much lower then what we should have gotten, Sometimes I think that Galileo could have been the mission which found life on another planet besides earth. This would have changed everything, instead of planning wars today we would be planing probes to discover what the hell was out there.(a real long shot). Things like the pluto express would not have been cancelled, and millions would not be wasted on the ISS - a project which gets all its money just from the cool factor, and like the shuttle a complete waste of resources.

    Probes are the way to go, its just a pity that for every one sent few manage to survive the trip, the payoff is so great.

    1. Re:Leaves me feeling depressed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but still no cure for cancer...

    2. Re:Leaves me feeling depressed... by raduga · · Score: 4, Insightful
      With the primary arial undeployed the primary effect has been a reduction in the total number of pictures, and the frequency at which they are captured and returned; since the low-gain antenna / tape recorder are still capable of bringing back images of the same quality, just not nearly as many.

      It's disappointing, sure, but even had the arial been fully deployed, we wouldn't have significantly greater resolution, and might not see substantially more detail of Europa's surface. Also, the change in mission priorities might (?) have meant fewer resources spent on magnetometric observations. Events don't seem to change frequently enough on Europa's surface that a few missing frames would have changed our view much.

      (Contrast with Io! What if we'd missed that eruption?)

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    3. Re:Leaves me feeling depressed... by cybrpnk2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      What depresses me is that for the Almathea flyby they've left the camera off to save the expense of the photo team salaries. About the only science that's gonna happen is measuring doppler shift change of the carrier signal from the probe as it gets close to the moon to refine its mass estimate. This is a real shame; Almathea has some kind of interesting chemistry going on that creates unusual bright red and green patches on its surface we have glimpsed only from afar 20 years ago with Voyager...

  27. OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Galileo is expected to fly by CowboyNeal's ass in 2008. NASA is expecting to get some glorious shots of pimple #JW2930 on the right cheek.

    1. Re:OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bwaaaaaaaahahahaha

  28. Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by Big+Mark · · Score: 5, Informative

    Jupiter is so heavy that it's inner reigions are incredibly hot - some think it's actually a star that just wasn't big enough to have it's own mass crush it's innards to the point where nuclear fusion occurs and the star is born. It's big enough, though, that the innards are squished to to superheat. It's this heat from the inside that makes Jupiter warm up.

    The moon's heating is accounted for by tidal forces - Jupiter is just so flippin' MASSIVE that it's gravity stretches and squeezes the moon, and these tidal forces make it heat up.

    The surface of Amalthea (sp.?) will be interesting to look at. I think it will have pronounced cracks on the surface where aeons of tidal forces have had their way.

    1. Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by Linux_ho · · Score: 2

      And possibly a big ol' breeder reactor might be sitting at the core, if there's enough uranium floating around in there.

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    2. Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by LMCBoy · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's this heat from the inside that makes Jupiter warm up.

      This parses to "Jupiter is hot because it is hot."

      You're correct that Jupiter's core is not hot enough for nuclear reactions (core temperature is about 20,000 K).

      Just to clarify, Jupiter gives off more heat than it receives because it is still collapsing! Sounds incredible, but the "heavier" elements are still slowly settling out toward its core. As they do, they release gravitational potential energy in the form of heat. This settling process must be incredibly slow, since it's presumably been happening steadily for the past 4.6 Gyr; the fact that it still produces a significant amount of heat demonstrates how damn BIG Jupiter is.

      See SEDS.org for more information (about halfway down the page, right after the section on the Great Red Spot).

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    3. Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by pogen · · Score: 3, Insightful
      some think it's actually a star that just wasn't big enough to have it's own mass crush it's innards to the point where nuclear fusion occurs and the star is born.

      And that makes it "actually a star" how, exactly?

      You pretty much just gave the definition for why it isn't a star.

    4. Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by at_18 · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...some think it's actually a star that just wasn't big enough to have it's own mass crush it's innards to the point where nuclear fusion occurs and the star is born

      For nuclear fusion to start you need about 80 times the mass of Jupiter. (and that would be a really really tiny star. Our one is about 1000 times jupiter, and it's only average).

    5. Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Just to clarify, Jupiter gives off more heat than it receives because it is still collapsing! Sounds incredible, but the "heavier" elements are still slowly settling out toward its core. As they do, they release gravitational potential energy in the form of heat.


      Interestingly, the same thing is still happening on Earth (well, in Earth I guess). It just isn't very significant next to radioactive decay and other factors (like oxidation and recrystallization) that internally heat the Earth (all of which put together produce about 1/1000 of the heat energy at the surface, pretty much the rest is from solar radiation).

    6. Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by naasking · · Score: 2

      the "heavier" elements are still slowly settling out toward its core.

      I think you mean "in" towards its core. It wouldn't release potential energy if the heavier elements were travelling up.

  29. Weird Slashdot phenomenon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've noticed this a few times now: comments seem to naturally group themselves into subject order. Look at the parent of this comment, and then the one above: both posted at 0857, both 2001-related.

    It's as if one person is writing all the comments, and this whole "community" thing is a fake.

    Hold, on, there's a couple of men in dark suits at the door...

    [Session timeout]

  30. More info... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be gentle on them...

    Amalthea

  31. What Preparation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is required? I mean, I probed Amalthea once. She's quite a hottie, don't need any little blue pills for that...

  32. when does Galileo retire? by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Rescued from disaster- NASA figured out how squeeze data throught the 50 times slower backup attenna when the main one failed- the Galileo mission has extended five years beyond its planned lifetime. Exhaustion of nagivation fuel and other priorities for the Deep Space Network will eventually finish this mission.

  33. Requisite Star Wars quote by ThinkingGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    "That's no moon... It's a space station!"

  34. Stupid moderators by Des+Herriott · · Score: 1

    The original comment gets a +3 funny even though it's wrong, and a reply which gets it right gets a -1? Sigh.

  35. It's *Amalthea* by notfancy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry to pick nits, but the name is Amalthea (ah-mal-THEH-ah), it means "the Goddess Amal" (IIRC a Babylonian name for Astarte, the Moon goddess). She was the goat that nursed Jupiter (Zeus, actually) in Mount Ida, and whose horn the baby god pulled with his mighty force while playing with her. That horn is called the Cornucopia, or the Horn of Plenty, after Jupiter, ashamed at his own clumsiness, bestowed that gift on the goat as an apology.

  36. Re:How about Vanilla Ice? by zakath · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Please tell me you didn't just recite that from memory...

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  37. Spacecraft dimensions by teridon · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the article:

    Dimensions: The length of the spacecraft is 9 m and, with the high-gain antenna (HGA) deployed, is 4.6 m in diameter.

    Ha! That's great! Except that the high-gain antenna failed to deploy. Fortunately, with some spacecraft reprogramming, Galileo will still acheive about 70% of its original science goals using the low-gain antenna.

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    1. Re:Spacecraft dimensions by Misfire · · Score: 1

      I guess we'll never know, but I have this perverse feeling that the HGA will finally deploy as Galileo plummets into the denser layers of the Jovian atmosphere. (The spacecraft is being dropped into Jupiter at the end of its mission in order to eliminate the possibility that it might eventually crash into one of the Galilean satellites and contaminate it with terrestrial microorganisms.)

    2. Re:Spacecraft dimensions by fluffy666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And the giant superintellegent Jovian gasbags who get whacked on the head by it will suddenly notice those insignificant 'big asteroids' closer to the sun and declare war on them..

    3. Re:Spacecraft dimensions by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Except that the high-gain antenna failed to deploy [google.com]. Fortunately, with some spacecraft reprogramming, Galileo will still acheive about 70% of its original science goals using the low-gain antenna.

      That 70% is kind of a fuzzy number. Who knows what they would have discovered if the antennas worked as planned? It is true that most instruments were able to be used at nearly their full potential because they generate low-bandwidth data sets to begin with. However, high-bandwidth consuming studies, such as close-up "movies" of Jupiter's weather patterns may have told us a lot about Jupiter.

      And with less compression needed on photos, we may have had clearer (more enhance-able) pictures of say Europa. But it is true that they got nice data from most instruments regardless of bandwidth problems.

      Antennas and instrument booms have a history of deployment problems on probes. One of the Voyagers had an instrument boom would not lock into place, ruining some gas giant moon cose-ups. A Viking had a seismometer (sp?) that would not work because a springed latch would not jog. Perhaps they should include a long lite robotic arm that can be remotely told what to push on or poke at. IOW, a way to emulate the famous hammer tap to a farky gizmo.

      It seems like moving parts don't like to move in space for some reason. The wide tempurature and pressure variations during the trip perhaps damage lubricants [1]. They can't get rid of all of the moving parts because launch packaging constraints often require "pop-up" equipment.

      [1] Galileo had to sit in storage for a while due to the launch backlog from the Challenger explosion. Some think that the sitting caused the antenna joint libricant to harden.

    4. Re:Spacecraft dimensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...backlog from the Challenger explosion. Some think that the sitting caused the antenna joint libricant to harden.

      "libricant" ?

      Is that what one uses to loosen up hardass conservatives? I think W needs some :-)

    5. Re:Spacecraft dimensions by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "libricant"? Is that what one uses to loosen up hardass conservatives? I think W needs some :-)

      Yes, It is called "Compound W".

  38. Imagine if.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is completely off-topic, but wouldn't it be cool to be so massive that you the size of the size of earth was no bigger then the tip of your finger? Think of all the massive destruction you could reak in the universe!

    *regains sanity*

    Ahh, alright then.

  39. Re:How about Vanilla Ice? by John+Biggabooty · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day!

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  40. Mr. Armchair Science butts in. by erik_fredricks · · Score: 5, Informative
    Almathea is one of the most unusual moons in the solar system, because it gives off more heat than it receives from the Sun."

    Actually, Triton (Neptune's largest) does, too, IIRC. All the gas giants do as well.

    In Amalthea's case (as well as Europa and Io), the moon is constantly being contracted and stretched by Jupiter's gravity, and those tidal forces generate heat in the moon's core. You can duplicate this effect by squeezing a piece of styrofoam in your hand and feeling it heat up.

    Of course, all the gas giants have internal heat sources due to the immense gravity in their highly contracted solid cores. Neptune gives off way more heat and light than it receives from the Sun.
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    1. Re:Mr. Armchair Science butts in. by taradfong · · Score: 1

      If Jupiter's gravity provides the energy, then wouldn't this represent free, perpetual energy? Sounds too good to be true, though the costs to run an extension cord out there might not be worth it.

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  41. New Horizons by Merk00 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The "Pluto Express" you mentioned is named New Horizons. And it's yet to be canceled. In fact, I sat in on a technical discussion of all its subsystems over the summer. It's still on track to launch sometime around 2007. However, Congress has yet to approve funding for New Horizons so its up in the air whether or not it'll actually fly. That said, development for the probe is still on going.

  42. a civilization of alien potheads who have hotboxed by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

    So when we crash a satelite into it to see what it's made of, we'll hear "Bongggg!" ?

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  43. A sneak peak at Almathea by mraymer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Celestia is a 3D space simulator much like OpenUniverse. It's avaible for both Windows and *nix OSes. In it, you can view all the planets, some moons, asteroids, and a fair number of stars. Here's a shot of Almathea. They release add-ons every now and then-- you can even download the recently discovered Quaoar!

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  44. Re:Nice rendered pictures -- Links! by mraymer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's a shot of Almathea and of the Galileo probe itself as seen in Celestia.

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  45. thing i thought about reading the title by SigmundK · · Score: 0

    did galileo do a flyby on a moon? that old bearded man involved in organized crime? WHAT?

  46. Obligatory... by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Simple explanation:
    "That's no moon, it's a space station!"

    *runs*

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  47. Holy shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The spectacular Galileo flybys of Jupiter, Europa and Io are largely credited with the discovery of frozen water ice."

    Frozen water ice has just been discovered?!? Man this is huge. I bet those wacky scientists will find all sorts of cool uses for that there frozen water ice. I wonder what the hell I have been putting into my tea all these summers.

  48. It's no Moon by Xenomorpheus · · Score: 1

    It's a Space Station!

  49. Frozen Ice? by naasking · · Score: 2

    I wonder what sort of strange substance that is...

    1. Re:Frozen Ice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, frozen carbon dioxide ice is quite common.

  50. aerial by Adam+J.+Richter · · Score: 2

    I think aerial is short for aerial antenna, meaning an antenna that is in the air.