Taking things that happen between headquarters "tactical operations centers" or TOCs and individual units, then extrapolating that into the communications that happen between higher echelon headquarters or logistical operations is a stretch at best.
At a real TOC somwhere like Iraq, you have 7x24 coverage by people whose job is to report upward on events at that locale. Therefore, a small unit action becomes well known to those in the chain of command associated with that unit. However, a random DFAC (mess hall) at Camp Victory isn't reporting up to its chain with anything approaching that frequency. In fact, that might happen once a week or once a month, aside from regular orders for foodstuffs and personnel actions. Moreover, all the tactical systems associated with this reporting are used by actual warfighters. Those engaged in logistical work will never see such a system.
Same goes for prisons - they have no tactical systems.
That's not going to make anyone safe. As long as American hegemony exists the US will be a target for every mental case with an agenda. To eliminate that hegemony would require creating a power vacuum. At that point, US hegemony would be replaced by another nation. My money is on China.
Another thought: the WTC attacks deserved a nuclear response. I personally don't really give a shit whether it was 20-odd random lunatics from some Arab country. I would have selected a suitable location in each participant nation for a demonstration and detonated, somewhere where we'd get casualties, but within measure of 9/11. Make clear that attacks from residents of said nation are considered acts of war, and that the next attack upon the US would result in a significant deployment of our strategic arsenal onto the offending country. The colloquial parking lot effect.
Problem solved. Self-policing will take care of the rest.
Please note that this is how the Russians would have dealt with such a thing, more or less. Because they are pragmatic.
Speaking of most of the Army's tactical systems: When the software is integrated and in use it is Secret. When it's on install CDs it tends to be FOUO, but there are configuration details left off the installs because that would aggregate enough implementation detail to be classified. I speak of 'most' because all the current ABCS systems I have experience with.
The software in question will never see the public Internet because it's all classified Secret and above. Well, the data and operating environment are. The kernel itself will be unclass but FOUO, most likely, so that could conceivably be contributed back out if something interesting were in it. My guess is that there won't be. Military systems, even the classified variety, tend to be very vanilla by commercial standards and rarely have interesting features. It is how they are deployed that makes them redundant or otherwise suitable for their task.
So expecting contributions back will be kind of...limited. I'm sure *some* things will find its way back out, but in practice, if a hack needs to be made on the code to make things work in an actual theater of operations, I wouldn't count on it appearing outside in the real world anytime soon.
This isn't the first military program to use Linux as a basis, btw. Force XXI Battle Command, Brigade and Below (FBCB2) uses a RTOS optimized kernel for its work, having converted from Solaris.
That said, DA has a huge Microsoft ELA contract which everyone is pushed towards. So I don't expect a lot of OSS innovation from the Army.
I hear this same tripe about local politics and religious organizations. Just get involved and sacrifice your time and subject yourself to people bitching.
How about the real answer: if there was no fucking union you wouldn't have to waste time trying to make it work.
Actually Firefox is forbidden on Dept of the Army systems. Why? Well, it requires updating separately, and is always flagged on scans. Some of the systems in question - ok, a lot of them - can't do automated updates due to not being on the Internet in the first place, and an institutional aversion to accepting updates from any source without vetting them through a security team first. So I don't imagine this changing anytime soon.
Twisted Sister was a pretty excellent club band, leaving out the stupid "Stay Hungry" thing. They actually did have talent and did pay their dues, playing around the NY area for about 10 years before becoming well-known. Then they allowed themselves to be turned into a parody of the kind of band they had been, and didn't care because they were making money.
You chose a bad example. Maybe you don't like the genre or perhaps you never heard their non-Stay Hungry work.
I'm sure that the current army soldiers are a joke compared to WWII era hardened veterans.
Today's Army is far better trained and equipped but the raw human material is probably inferior to what you got in WWII. Just because the more intelligent people aren't going to enlist, whereas no one really had a choice back then.
You bring up a good point but I don't think you are thinking about it much. Why are people willing to pay for Google's ads?
I have not bought a single thing from them over the last 7 years I was aware of same. Not because of some activist desire to deprive them of results, but just because I am not likely to buy something because of an advertisement, however well constructed.
Can these ads possibly be worth what people are paying for them?
The legislation is too long for anyone but the aides to have read, so you have to have a name that holds Congress' attention.
If you think that's stupid, I was in a meeting once where a certain military program was referred to as the acronym E-FAT. Some GS wanker says abruptly "We've got to change that...".
This is the same guy who at one point ran around a COMDEX crashing OS/2 systems with a custom made application to put the lie to IBM's touting of its "crashproof" nature. He's been Microsoft's attack dog for the last 20 years and that's pretty much been his only role in the industry. What is the reason that I, or anyone else, should care what this professional troll thinks?
Agreed. For instance, I made sure my ex-wife was deprived of our marital home via foreclosure because that was the only way to wrest it from her and her skank mother, who orchestrated the entire thing to milk as much cash and real property from me as possible.
To do this, I made myself unemployed - six figures to less than 15k income for 2 consecutive years.
It wasn't pleasant, and killing rats in my kitchen became way too commonplace, but I got my vengeance on those two horrible bitches.
People being stupid is never a good reason to apply an arbitrary standard. There was a time when the base 2 measurement was nearly 100% accurate and anyone who failed to adhere to it would be assured a short lifetime in the industry.
The fact that morons are able to tread water in the industry is not something that an SI standard can correct.
Greenpeace has been pulling stunts like this for publicity since the 1980s, why should it surprise you that they are alarmist and seeking headlines by bashing one company in particular?
Regardless if you agree with their goals or not, they left credibility behind a long time ago.
No, his purpose is to make it so all software has its source code available for modification. That's what he's here for. Think what you like of the guy, he's never veered from that purpose.
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Taking things that happen between headquarters "tactical operations centers" or TOCs and individual units, then extrapolating that into the communications that happen between higher echelon headquarters or logistical operations is a stretch at best.
At a real TOC somwhere like Iraq, you have 7x24 coverage by people whose job is to report upward on events at that locale. Therefore, a small unit action becomes well known to those in the chain of command associated with that unit. However, a random DFAC (mess hall) at Camp Victory isn't reporting up to its chain with anything approaching that frequency. In fact, that might happen once a week or once a month, aside from regular orders for foodstuffs and personnel actions. Moreover, all the tactical systems associated with this reporting are used by actual warfighters. Those engaged in logistical work will never see such a system.
Same goes for prisons - they have no tactical systems.
Yes, I just came back from there in late April.
I still have hope that they'll 'surrender' to our way of thinking. Arf arf.
Disturbingly, that does not rule out performing random fellatio in the street.
That's not going to make anyone safe. As long as American hegemony exists the US will be a target for every mental case with an agenda. To eliminate that hegemony would require creating a power vacuum. At that point, US hegemony would be replaced by another nation. My money is on China.
Another thought: the WTC attacks deserved a nuclear response. I personally don't really give a shit whether it was 20-odd random lunatics from some Arab country. I would have selected a suitable location in each participant nation for a demonstration and detonated, somewhere where we'd get casualties, but within measure of 9/11. Make clear that attacks from residents of said nation are considered acts of war, and that the next attack upon the US would result in a significant deployment of our strategic arsenal onto the offending country. The colloquial parking lot effect.
Problem solved. Self-policing will take care of the rest.
Please note that this is how the Russians would have dealt with such a thing, more or less. Because they are pragmatic.
Speaking of most of the Army's tactical systems: When the software is integrated and in use it is Secret. When it's on install CDs it tends to be FOUO, but there are configuration details left off the installs because that would aggregate enough implementation detail to be classified. I speak of 'most' because all the current ABCS systems I have experience with.
My comments still stand.
OK.
...limited. I'm sure *some* things will find its way back out, but in practice, if a hack needs to be made on the code to make things work in an actual theater of operations, I wouldn't count on it appearing outside in the real world anytime soon.
The software in question will never see the public Internet because it's all classified Secret and above. Well, the data and operating environment are. The kernel itself will be unclass but FOUO, most likely, so that could conceivably be contributed back out if something interesting were in it. My guess is that there won't be. Military systems, even the classified variety, tend to be very vanilla by commercial standards and rarely have interesting features. It is how they are deployed that makes them redundant or otherwise suitable for their task.
So expecting contributions back will be kind of
This isn't the first military program to use Linux as a basis, btw. Force XXI Battle Command, Brigade and Below (FBCB2) uses a RTOS optimized kernel for its work, having converted from Solaris.
That said, DA has a huge Microsoft ELA contract which everyone is pushed towards. So I don't expect a lot of OSS innovation from the Army.
I hear this same tripe about local politics and religious organizations. Just get involved and sacrifice your time and subject yourself to people bitching.
How about the real answer: if there was no fucking union you wouldn't have to waste time trying to make it work.
WoW produces nothing and contributes no product to society besides sucking up ennui.
It's worthless. Completely worthless.
Actually conspiracy theorists are more like trolls. They take advantage of the gullible nature of most people.
Illegal according to WHO?
False premises according to WHO?
I see you believe everything the media tells you.
Paperwork is the cure for all abuse. At least when you talk to any government dweeb.
Actually Firefox is forbidden on Dept of the Army systems. Why? Well, it requires updating separately, and is always flagged on scans. Some of the systems in question - ok, a lot of them - can't do automated updates due to not being on the Internet in the first place, and an institutional aversion to accepting updates from any source without vetting them through a security team first. So I don't imagine this changing anytime soon.
That is not correct.
Twisted Sister was a pretty excellent club band, leaving out the stupid "Stay Hungry" thing. They actually did have talent and did pay their dues, playing around the NY area for about 10 years before becoming well-known. Then they allowed themselves to be turned into a parody of the kind of band they had been, and didn't care because they were making money.
You chose a bad example. Maybe you don't like the genre or perhaps you never heard their non-Stay Hungry work.
I'm sure that the current army soldiers are a joke compared to WWII era hardened veterans.
Today's Army is far better trained and equipped but the raw human material is probably inferior to what you got in WWII. Just because the more intelligent people aren't going to enlist, whereas no one really had a choice back then.
You bring up a good point but I don't think you are thinking about it much. Why are people willing to pay for Google's ads?
I have not bought a single thing from them over the last 7 years I was aware of same. Not because of some activist desire to deprive them of results, but just because I am not likely to buy something because of an advertisement, however well constructed.
Can these ads possibly be worth what people are paying for them?
The legislation is too long for anyone but the aides to have read, so you have to have a name that holds Congress' attention.
If you think that's stupid, I was in a meeting once where a certain military program was referred to as the acronym E-FAT. Some GS wanker says abruptly "We've got to change that...".
Whatever.
Steve? What, did you throw a chair after that one? Hey, it's you that did this stuff, not us.
Try meditation instead of monkey boy dances.
This is the same guy who at one point ran around a COMDEX crashing OS/2 systems with a custom made application to put the lie to IBM's touting of its "crashproof" nature. He's been Microsoft's attack dog for the last 20 years and that's pretty much been his only role in the industry. What is the reason that I, or anyone else, should care what this professional troll thinks?
Agreed. For instance, I made sure my ex-wife was deprived of our marital home via foreclosure because that was the only way to wrest it from her and her skank mother, who orchestrated the entire thing to milk as much cash and real property from me as possible.
To do this, I made myself unemployed - six figures to less than 15k income for 2 consecutive years.
It wasn't pleasant, and killing rats in my kitchen became way too commonplace, but I got my vengeance on those two horrible bitches.
Was there any overlap between the address space of the two 8088s? Could you transfer data between them via any method?
People being stupid is never a good reason to apply an arbitrary standard. There was a time when the base 2 measurement was nearly 100% accurate and anyone who failed to adhere to it would be assured a short lifetime in the industry.
The fact that morons are able to tread water in the industry is not something that an SI standard can correct.
Where were the iron bars then?
You get the government you deserve. Karl Rove was just taking notes on what Clinton got away with, and putting it into practice.
I get shit from people for refusing to do business with Valve as long as they use Steam.
This is the reason why.
Greenpeace has been pulling stunts like this for publicity since the 1980s, why should it surprise you that they are alarmist and seeking headlines by bashing one company in particular?
Regardless if you agree with their goals or not, they left credibility behind a long time ago.
No, his purpose is to make it so all software has its source code available for modification. That's what he's here for. Think what you like of the guy, he's never veered from that purpose.