Its qmail. I don't need a cogent argument. Dan doesn't. He doesn't even need cogent source-code. Or cogent licensing terms.
To have a functional mail server in todays environment (as opposed to the 1980's) you need to apply multiple third-party patches to it. These patches are not regression-tested against one another so you can't rely on them.
Operating system distributors cannot ship properly patched and tested qmail packages because that would violate the licensing terms.
Oh and Dans policy on email, as applied in qmail, *is* that all mail must be either delivered or bounced. Its backscatter city. And Dans assertions that he'd pay a bounty on remote exploits in the default install of qmail are worthless because someone *did* find one and Dan did *not* pay up.
I spent 6 months managing a qmail server which was set up by someone 'clever'. Once I changed over to exim my workload dropped significantly as did the spam delivered to my users.
But keep it up Mike. Maybe Dan will give you a backrub.
I'm not saying that Dan is completely worthless though -- Maildir was a stroke of genius.
but believe it or not, nearly all of what the US defense and intelligence infrastructure does day-in, day-out is focused on protecting the people of the United States.
When Microsoft says that they are totally focussed on security, they mean *financial* security for MS and its shareholders.
When the government says they are focussed on protecting the people, they mean the people who provide financial security to election campaigns.
As a purist who first ventured on to news groups nearly 20 years ago for the simple fact of discussing with other fans the work of Tolkien, I find an official game in the MMOG genre appauling.
As a non-purist who doesn't really like Tolkien that much any more (having read LoTR, Hobbit, Silmarilion and many other bits and pieces) I actually agree with you.
The Middle-Earth world is far too one-dimensional for an MMORPG and an official game in the genre is appaling.
Middle-Earth is *ABOUT* the One-Ring and that is all it is about. It is a series of interlinked stories all leading up to, culminating and *ending* in the destruction of the One-Ring. There is nothing outside of the One-Ring story. Everything in the Silmarilion is, essentially, leading up to LoTR.
I don't know the 'difference' but Linux-based, software-only iscsi *will* crap all over your data sooner or later. Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when. It is horrifically unreliable especially under any kind of load.
The court's decision is pretty narrowly defined - if the server is owned by someone else, then uploading music to it is considered distributing.
How about this;
Do Microsoft have servers (eg hotmail) in Japan to which users can upload files?
If so, were a user to upload, say, the Linux *kernel* to such a server is Microsoft now *distributing* the Linux kernel? And then the GPL would swing into effect...
My mom has a ford Model T, there have been engine problems and the engine has failed on two separate occasions. They had to completely replace the engine!
Counterexample!
I know someone with a Model T ford -- it was the first car he ever bought, it still runs and has the original engine!
As for Al-Jazeera encouraging attacks on US troops, I'd like to see where that reference comes from, as I certainly haven't seen anything of the sort.
Well I *suppose* that if Al Jazeera journalists were to see US troops smearing pig fat on their bullets to, er, protect them from 'rust'... and they reported this... then this may be seen by some as 'encouraging attacks on US troops'...
Or, if you're up to it, ask the Really Big Question of how a democracy can function without an informed electorate.
What democracy? Seriously.
The prevalent form of government 'enjoyed' in the 'western world' is not democracy -- it is 'mediacracy'.
And mediacracy is all about appropriately informing the electorate -- informing them in such a way that when it comes time to spend their 'hard-earned' vote they are subject to exactly the same sorts of influences which work so well when it comes to advertising any other commodity such as soft drinks or fast food (government being the commodity, the vote being equivalent of currency).
At worst cleaning up our act and imposing higher CAFE standards
We got higher standards of CAFEs here in New Zealand. What did we end up with? Restaurants.
We got fewer actual cafes and more restaurants that *call* themselves cafes. You know the sort of place; you go in sit down for a meal and a waiter brings you a menu. This, ladies and gentlemen, is *not* a cafe. It is a restaurant.
it's the same situation that exists in professional sports: plenty of excellent athletes are simply not skilled enough to play at the top level of their sport, because that level consists of a few hundred guys, chosen from across the world or country.
Same in the music industry; I've often wondered how many female vocalists with excellent voices never make it because they are not drop-dead gorgeous. Apart from that chick in 'Everything but the Girl'... which was probably a quote from some music executive who said "I like the band, they are great, everything but the girl".
Or do you really believe that people are more interested in Paris Hilton's jail term than in the president wiretapping them? Those Lindsay Lohan stories really must represent the public's true interest.
The true purpose of the media -- especially the 'news media' (more aptly termed 'news entertainment') -- is not to report public opinion but to shape public opinion.
As per my sig, the prevalent form of government in the 'western world' is media-cracy not demo-cracy.
There are also plenty of recent patches and addons to keep it alive
The problem is that the code is so quirky (being charitable there) and the third-party patches are not exactly regression-tested against one another...
Does the Mossad break down their doors if they do?
You know, from what I've heard, if you are a non-Jewish semite living in Israel, yes you can expect Mossad to break down your doors for pretty much anything at all.
I've known many Israelis who talk in a way that I'd have expected from some fanatical blonde, blue-eyed member of a certain self-declared 'master race' from Germany of the 1930s/40s. Seriously.
Palestinian is an ethnic identity which Israel seems set on exterminating.
I'm not complaining about the nation of Palestine (which, legally, never existed), I'm talking about the Palestinian *people* as a self-identifying group who are (in effect) not permitted to be citizens of a certain nation. A certain nation which denys their very existance.
They are not allowed to call themselves "Israeli Palestinians".
Gore-Tex in running shoes. The water will get in at the top of the shoe (as it is only 3cm high), and never get out, since Gore-Tex is watertight. Besides, when running, my feet sweat, so water will end up inside the shoe even if it isn't wet outside.
The *real* problem with this is that Gore-Tex needs to be properly maintained in order to be breathable (ie so that your sweaty feet won't make them wet on the inside). In order to properly maintain them you have to wash them regularly.
Wash your running shoes regularly (and effectively)?? Harder than it might seem at first glance.
They weren't kickout out of their homes, you ignoramus. They left of their own accord because they couldn't stand the thought of living in a Jewish state.
Slightly disengenuous...
Had they stayed in Israel they would have had to give up any claim to being a people -- officially (in Israel) the line goes something like this:
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian; they are *Arabs* and should be happy to live anywhere in the Arab world. Since Israel isn't part of the Arab world they arn't happy to live there..."
There are no Palestinians living legally in Israel as citizens -- only Israeli *Arabs*.
Its a very subtle and insidious form of genocide; pretend that an entire people simply does not exist.
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Its qmail. I don't need a cogent argument. Dan doesn't. He doesn't even need cogent source-code. Or cogent licensing terms.
To have a functional mail server in todays environment (as opposed to the 1980's) you need to apply multiple third-party patches to it. These patches are not regression-tested against one another so you can't rely on them.
Operating system distributors cannot ship properly patched and tested qmail packages because that would violate the licensing terms.
Oh and Dans policy on email, as applied in qmail, *is* that all mail must be either delivered or bounced. Its backscatter city. And Dans assertions that he'd pay a bounty on remote exploits in the default install of qmail are worthless because someone *did* find one and Dan did *not* pay up.
I spent 6 months managing a qmail server which was set up by someone 'clever'. Once I changed over to exim my workload dropped significantly as did the spam delivered to my users.
But keep it up Mike. Maybe Dan will give you a backrub.
I'm not saying that Dan is completely worthless though -- Maildir was a stroke of genius.
that stuff with a sword is for knights etc and the water is for christenings. (see other equally bizarre postings)
If I recall, in the UK it does involve oiling them up... something to do with annointing probably for the lube effect.
"All mail should be either bounced or delivered"
but believe it or not, nearly all of what the US defense and intelligence infrastructure does day-in, day-out is focused on protecting the people of the United States.
When Microsoft says that they are totally focussed on security, they mean *financial* security for MS and its shareholders.
When the government says they are focussed on protecting the people, they mean the people who provide financial security to election campaigns.
Inability to set up Sendmail properly is in and of itself a security risk
The same can be said about qmail
Except in the case of qmail its more like:
'inability to apply the appropriate third party patches in the right order and failing to regression-test them against one another'.
Qmail by default, as DJB intended it, is terribly, terribly wrong...
As a purist who first ventured on to news groups nearly 20 years ago for the simple fact of discussing with other fans the work of Tolkien, I find an official game in the MMOG genre appauling.
As a non-purist who doesn't really like Tolkien that much any more (having read LoTR, Hobbit, Silmarilion and many other bits and pieces) I actually agree with you.
The Middle-Earth world is far too one-dimensional for an MMORPG and an official game in the genre is appaling.
Middle-Earth is *ABOUT* the One-Ring and that is all it is about. It is a series of interlinked stories all leading up to, culminating and *ending* in the destruction of the One-Ring. There is nothing outside of the One-Ring story. Everything in the Silmarilion is, essentially, leading up to LoTR.
I don't know the 'difference' but Linux-based, software-only iscsi *will* crap all over your data sooner or later. Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when. It is horrifically unreliable especially under any kind of load.
4) Software iscsi initiators and targets aren't a replacement for dedicated adapters.
Tell me about it...
Software-only iscsi on Linux is a recipe for massive data corruption.
You need a nice expensive HBA on every machine involved.
The openiscsi and iscsi-target projects are *NOT* production-ready. Use at your own peril.
The funny thing is that they make a veiled threat of legal action against the somethingawful.com - that'll be quite a sight to see!
Well I for one hope that the somethingawful people have protection.
Because if they have stairs in their house they are likely to get pushed down them...
I certainly feel like doing that every time someone asks me if I have stairs in my house.
The court's decision is pretty narrowly defined - if the server is owned by someone else, then uploading music to it is considered distributing.
How about this;
Do Microsoft have servers (eg hotmail) in Japan to which users can upload files?
If so, were a user to upload, say, the Linux *kernel* to such a server is Microsoft now *distributing* the Linux kernel? And then the GPL would swing into effect...
My mom has a ford Model T, there have been engine problems and the engine has failed on two separate occasions. They had to completely replace the engine!
Counterexample!
I know someone with a Model T ford -- it was the first car he ever bought, it still runs and has the original engine!
As for Al-Jazeera encouraging attacks on US troops, I'd like to see where that reference comes from, as I certainly haven't seen anything of the sort.
Well I *suppose* that if Al Jazeera journalists were to see US troops smearing pig fat on their bullets to, er, protect them from 'rust'... and they reported this... then this may be seen by some as 'encouraging attacks on US troops'...
Or, if you're up to it, ask the Really Big Question of how a democracy can function without an informed electorate.
What democracy? Seriously.
The prevalent form of government 'enjoyed' in the 'western world' is not democracy -- it is 'mediacracy'.
And mediacracy is all about appropriately informing the electorate -- informing them in such a way that when it comes time to spend their 'hard-earned' vote they are subject to exactly the same sorts of influences which work so well when it comes to advertising any other commodity such as soft drinks or fast food (government being the commodity, the vote being equivalent of currency).
At worst cleaning up our act and imposing higher CAFE standards
We got higher standards of CAFEs here in New Zealand. What did we end up with? Restaurants.
We got fewer actual cafes and more restaurants that *call* themselves cafes. You know the sort of place; you go in sit down for a meal and a waiter brings you a menu. This, ladies and gentlemen, is *not* a cafe. It is a restaurant.
Sick.
But I have a feeling thats not what you meant...
Why do we have police?
Because the lawyers need someone to enforce their racket?
it's the same situation that exists in professional sports: plenty of excellent athletes are simply not skilled enough to play at the top level of their sport, because that level consists of a few hundred guys, chosen from across the world or country.
Same in the music industry; I've often wondered how many female vocalists with excellent voices never make it because they are not drop-dead gorgeous. Apart from that chick in 'Everything but the Girl'... which was probably a quote from some music executive who said "I like the band, they are great, everything but the girl".
Or do you really believe that people are more interested in Paris Hilton's jail term than in the president wiretapping them? Those Lindsay Lohan stories really must represent the public's true interest.
The true purpose of the media -- especially the 'news media' (more aptly termed 'news entertainment') -- is not to report public opinion but to shape public opinion.
As per my sig, the prevalent form of government in the 'western world' is media-cracy not demo-cracy.
There are also plenty of recent patches and addons to keep it alive
The problem is that the code is so quirky (being charitable there) and the third-party patches are not exactly regression-tested against one another...
Does the Mossad break down their doors if they do?
You know, from what I've heard, if you are a non-Jewish semite living in Israel, yes you can expect Mossad to break down your doors for pretty much anything at all.
I've known many Israelis who talk in a way that I'd have expected from some fanatical blonde, blue-eyed member of a certain self-declared 'master race' from Germany of the 1930s/40s. Seriously.
Palestinian is an ethnic identity which Israel seems set on exterminating.
I'm not complaining about the nation of Palestine (which, legally, never existed), I'm talking about the Palestinian *people* as a self-identifying group who are (in effect) not permitted to be citizens of a certain nation. A certain nation which denys their very existance.
They are not allowed to call themselves "Israeli Palestinians".
Gore-Tex in running shoes. The water will get in at the top of the shoe (as it is only 3cm high), and never get out, since Gore-Tex is watertight. Besides, when running, my feet sweat, so water will end up inside the shoe even if it isn't wet outside.
The *real* problem with this is that Gore-Tex needs to be properly maintained in order to be breathable (ie so that your sweaty feet won't make them wet on the inside). In order to properly maintain them you have to wash them regularly.
Wash your running shoes regularly (and effectively)?? Harder than it might seem at first glance.
Can we please, *please* make this a list of eleven and add qmail?
Please?
The term "anti-semite" was invented in the 19th century not to include all "Semitic" peoples, but rather to describe the hatred of Jews.
I have even heard Jews yelling "Anti-semite!!!" at other *Jews* as the worst insult they could think of!
They weren't kickout out of their homes, you ignoramus. They left of their own accord because they couldn't stand the thought of living in a Jewish state.
Slightly disengenuous...
Had they stayed in Israel they would have had to give up any claim to being a people -- officially (in Israel) the line goes something like this:
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian; they are *Arabs* and should be happy to live anywhere in the Arab world. Since Israel isn't part of the Arab world they arn't happy to live there..."
There are no Palestinians living legally in Israel as citizens -- only Israeli *Arabs*.
Its a very subtle and insidious form of genocide; pretend that an entire people simply does not exist.
Is trial by combat a valid option in the United States?
Well it seems to be the entire basis of U.S. *foreign* policy...