Karmashock, you speak as one interested enough to comment, but not interested enough to know jack shit. A delicate balance for you, ja? I like the link you Science and Reason link, so thanks!.... but I'm trans, and although I'm successfully working as a contractor developer, I'm also thinking "maybe this is what people really say behind my back". But then I think... "the people who matter to me don't think like this, so maybe this guy is full of shit". What do you think? It all sounds like this is a big outrage to you, where the smart people are handling it without a glitch.
I suspect that some of the people who matter to you do think like this.
Try to grasp this; one can be against something but not hate the people who instantiate/exemplify that thing.
I am against smoking, I have many friends who smoke. I am against monotheism, I can still have friends who are muslim. I think transgenderism is just a delusion, does that mean I have to hate you? I don't think so.
You may believe that I'm wrong-headed about your 'condition', or whatever you want to call it, but do you have to believe I hate you? Or I'm afraid of you?
Thing is, we're awesome, problem is that we're not awesome in a way that will satisfy most NTs feelings; and most of the world is run on nothing but the feelings of NTs. For instance, very few people get fired due to incompetence, they get fired due to the bad feelings that their incompetence causes; which in some organizations is avoidable (mainly in governmental and nonprofit organizations, or volunteer/nonpaid positions), allowing incompetent people to keep their position. Autistic people on the other hand, we often get fired because we don't fit in with the other employees; no matter if we are competent in all other aspects of the job.
Of COURSE the world is run in the feelings of NTs because THATS NORMAL. NT's are normal people, not abnormal people, not people with special needs. Just ordinary, normal people.
Also, and this may be news to you, normal people aren't all the same and some happen to dislike oversocialisation. They can dislike oversocialisation and still be totally normal people and not in the least bit autistic.
You don't have to be autistic to find oversocialisation in work meetings to be a problem. Where I work easily half our team meetings are taken up with jokes and banter. Its ridiculous because we actually have work to discuss and work to do after the meetings.
If only people would stop cracking jokes things would be so much better for me. We are there, at the work place, to do a job. That job is not being comedians, its being engineers.
Personally, I think it is a very real possibility that this is by intent. Not by Poettering himself, he is just a clueless pansy full of himself. But he is perfect for this. He is far, far to incompetent to even realize that software has to be simple in order to be secure. He does has a proven track-record of producing buggy, complex software. He has absolutely no experience with producing secure software. He is known to be resistant to advice and learning. He is known to not work well with others. He thinks he knows it all and has it all.
In one sentence: Perfect for creating a complex monster that will never, ever be secure.
My money is on the NSA and others (remember, Red Hat is mostly funded by the US military) having selected Poettering to sabotage Linux security. This is actually the main reason why it will never find its way on any of my systems. Having the TLAs being the greatest threat to security and privacy is one thing. Inviting them in is something else.
Actually thats kind of my theory on IPSEC... far too complex to configure, unnecessarily so. Easy to 'accidentally' set up IPSEC in unsecure ways because the system is so fiendishly complicated it almost encourages the administrator to make mistakes.
How many professional SysAdmins and enterprise users are regularly tinkering with their init settings? It is usually a set it and forget it type of thing.
As I see it, this is just general IT Ranting because something is new.
Because 'new' usually means untried, insufficiently tested, poorly documented etc. All the kinds of things that IT does not want in production systems, because it will mean the pager going off at 2am on a regular basis.
Well, do you actually take on board the concerns of system administrators and enterprise users?
What a lot of people are concerned about is that this entirely new and largely untested (in the 'wild', as it were) and very very large, complex piece of software which runs at a very very privileged level in the operating system is going to become the main source of security vulnerabilities in Linux.
Can we have a cut-down, simplified version of systemd for servers and doesn't try to replace several layers of server side system functionality such as logging?
Its clear that you listen to desktop users. How about listening to the system administrators?
Perhaps you never saw Naked Gun 2 1/2? Team America? If I really felt like it, I could dig up quite a few comedies where we assassinate the living leader of a country that is considered to be the bad guy. Strangely, you think you're unique and this occasion was unique. Not going to go on about free speech but the irony is pretty intense when you consider the lack of human rights in North Korea.
I'd love to see what would happen if someone made a movie about the assassination of Obama, while he is still in office, and how the assassination is really funny.
I can't believe that the Secret Service would just turn a blind eye to it on the grounds of 'free speech'. My suspicion is that just writing the screenplay for such a movie would attract a lot of unwanted attention from several 3-letter agencies in the USA.
I used the example of Ivan Denisovich. That was written father's name last, in cyrillic, when the book was published. Was that done differently because it was literature?
I think its probably just a difference between Russian culture and Mongolian. Like I said, eg Koreans write their family name first. Some elements of Russian culture were fairly unchanged in Mongolia others got transformed. I've always wondered why ice hockey didn't take off in Mongolia; they could play it outdoors 6 months of the year!
I though the patronymic came last. "Ivan Denisovich" would be Ivan, son of Denis. Much like when last names were introduced in England, if you didn't have a good name to pick (Smith, Brown, etc.) you'd take your dad's name (Donaldson, Anderson, etc.) In the original Russian, published in 1962, Solzhenitsyn placed the patronymic after the first name
But this is much later than Kahn, and I am not an expert on names. I just know the Russian examples from literature.
When they write their names in latin script they tend to write the fathers name last, when they write it in cyrillic the fathers name goes first. They seem to think this is more correct. Many asian naming conventions put the family name first so perhaps this is related.
It's not like Khan was his family name and people called him Mr. Khan.
Mongolians don't have 'family names'.
These days they use the 'patronymic' system which was introduced by the Russians, so you have your given name and your fathers given name. Typically the fathers given name is put first, so if your dad was Dave and you are Bob your FULL name would be Dave Bob.
Before the Russian influence Mongolians had their tribal name and their given name but this was 'phased out' by the communists. Until relatively recently no one used their tribal names and many Mongolians forgot them. Even today employers don't record peoples tribal name and its hardly ever used. It appears on birth certificates but not in passports; a modern Mongolian passport will have the fathers given name in the 'surname' field.
This can cause issues for mixed marriages and international travel with children as the name on the childs passport would make little sense to immigration officials in other countries and they might assume that the foreign father travelling with his child isn't the real father and that theres something fishy going on. (ie your name is Dave Smith, your sons name is Bobby. Normally his passport would have his name as "Bobby Smith", but if he was born in Mongolia his passport would have his name as "Bobby Dave". You have to get special dispensation from the director of the passport office to have the name on the passport in conventional, international format.
Under the new regime the state identity papers list the tribal name so everyone has to provide them. Since many people just don't know it they use 'Borjigin' which is Chinggis Khans tribe. Thus the official numbers of this tribe is going up and up even though most of them are not actually biologically from that tribe.
Causing "minor inconvenience" to *thousands* of people and multiple businesses isn't minor at all. I believe it is you who lacks perspective as to harm to society.
Inconveniencing gaming is minor no matter how many thousands of people or businesses are affected. I know that people and businesses spend millions on it but still, Its Just A Game.
Sheesh, how many productive hours must be generated for every hour of DDoS on gaming sites???
I think Seth Rogen and James Franco should make dictator-mocking their shtick- they're way more likely to succeed with that strategy than anything they'll dream up by themselves. The jokes practically write themselves; in fact KJU is the only interesting character in this movie. So here are some ideas for sequels:
Benjamin Netanyahu: While on a trip to congratulate Netanyahu for winning a beauty pageant, Rogen and Franco realize that he won by launching missiles at all the other contestants.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: Rogen and Franco are held hostage by the ISIS leader until he realizes that nobody in the U.S. cares if their heads get chopped off.
Vladimir Putin: Rogen and Franco score an interview with the shirtless ruthless dictator. Unfortunately Franco enters the country with a dollar bill in his pocket and inadvertently causes a currency crisis. Then one day Rogen drinks tea laced with polonium 210 and things get wild.
I was thinking, if someone started making a movie about the assassination of Barak Obama (while he is in office) and for the research on the movie they visited the USA, I bet that would turn out really well for them.
It's not like the police have anything else to investigate, like, perhaps anything from institutionalized paedophilia to common burglaries, is it?
This is all about taking people's attention away from the documented failings of the police.
It occurs to me that modern policing in the west is more focused on the 'criminals' who advertise and document their own presence and activities. This makes it enormously easier for the police to make it look as if they are actually doing something (as opposed to just making work up and inventing entire crimes just for the purpose of theatre).
Any crime thats remotely hard to detect is virtually ignored in favour of the 'big ticket' items like 'hate speech'.
Also you seem to be deliberately mixing up actions by private bodies (the FA) with judicial court actions. Private bodies can do whatever they damn well please, within reason - there is a zero tolerance approach to racism in English football, hence the action against Suarez and Balotelli.
Its funny how western society likes to set itself up as a prime example of a tolerant, caring society and yet they keep trotting out the 'zero tolerance' line for practically everything that someone might find offensive.
Its ridiculous. Either its a tolerant society or it isn't. You can't have 'zero tolerance' for whatever its the latest fad to dislike and still be a tolerant society, it doesn't make sense.
You may as well say 'Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance' as to say 'The West is a caring, tolerant society', they equally confusing uses of the words...
Spoilers: In the end of the movie Kim Jung-un turns out to be a pretty fun guy (aside from the debauchery and keeping the population in slavery and all) and the would - be assassins don't do the dirty deed because of it. In other words the movie actually put's down America's CIA killing machine and puts Kim Jung in a far better light than he deserves.
oooooh
So then it was the CIA that hacked Sony and demanded this film be buried.
Sure it is. NK's goal is not to "get" Sony. It is to maintain the reputation of their leader as a psychopathic kook. This will strengthen their hand in future negotiations over important issues. If you act reasonable, your adversaries will insist on an outcome that is "fair". But if act like an irrational psychopath, your adversaries will settle for any outcome that is even halfway sane. The Kim dynasty has been using this strategy since 1950, and it has worked well for them.
But you can mitigate the hell out of it, I suggest air gapping.
Yes. Lets air-gap the email system. That would work well.
I've long advocated, but never implemented, having a VM just for email. This wouldn't protect from social engineering via email but its better than having the email client on the desktop itself.
what a lot of people don't realise is that after he came back from placating hitler he increased military spending significantly. If not for him, when war broke out Britain would have been squashed.
This is whats called 'international diplomacy' and was actually pretty masterful; he delayed the start of the war and ensured that Britain was prepared for it.
Slashdot Mirror
1st past the post.
Adblock Plus... Install it, love it... no more crazy flashing ads.
...Install Ghostery because privacy... Install NoScript because many reasons... Realize Adblock Plus is now useless.... Deinstall it.
http://lifehacker.com/ad-block...
Karmashock, you speak as one interested enough to comment, but not interested enough to know jack shit. A delicate balance for you, ja? I like the link you Science and Reason link, so thanks! .... but I'm trans, and although I'm successfully working as a contractor developer, I'm also thinking "maybe this is what people really say behind my back". But then I think ... "the people who matter to me don't think like this, so maybe this guy is full of shit". What do you think? It all sounds like this is a big outrage to you, where the smart people are handling it without a glitch.
I suspect that some of the people who matter to you do think like this.
Try to grasp this; one can be against something but not hate the people who instantiate/exemplify that thing.
I am against smoking, I have many friends who smoke. I am against monotheism, I can still have friends who are muslim. I think transgenderism is just a delusion, does that mean I have to hate you? I don't think so.
You may believe that I'm wrong-headed about your 'condition', or whatever you want to call it, but do you have to believe I hate you? Or I'm afraid of you?
Thing is, we're awesome, problem is that we're not awesome in a way that will satisfy most NTs feelings; and most of the world is run on nothing but the feelings of NTs. For instance, very few people get fired due to incompetence, they get fired due to the bad feelings that their incompetence causes; which in some organizations is avoidable (mainly in governmental and nonprofit organizations, or volunteer/nonpaid positions), allowing incompetent people to keep their position. Autistic people on the other hand, we often get fired because we don't fit in with the other employees; no matter if we are competent in all other aspects of the job.
Of COURSE the world is run in the feelings of NTs because THATS NORMAL. NT's are normal people, not abnormal people, not people with special needs. Just ordinary, normal people.
Also, and this may be news to you, normal people aren't all the same and some happen to dislike oversocialisation. They can dislike oversocialisation and still be totally normal people and not in the least bit autistic.
You don't have to be autistic to find oversocialisation in work meetings to be a problem. Where I work easily half our team meetings are taken up with jokes and banter. Its ridiculous because we actually have work to discuss and work to do after the meetings.
If only people would stop cracking jokes things would be so much better for me. We are there, at the work place, to do a job. That job is not being comedians, its being engineers.
And I am very proudly neurotypical.
Personally, I think it is a very real possibility that this is by intent. Not by Poettering himself, he is just a clueless pansy full of himself. But he is perfect for this. He is far, far to incompetent to even realize that software has to be simple in order to be secure. He does has a proven track-record of producing buggy, complex software. He has absolutely no experience with producing secure software. He is known to be resistant to advice and learning. He is known to not work well with others. He thinks he knows it all and has it all.
In one sentence: Perfect for creating a complex monster that will never, ever be secure.
My money is on the NSA and others (remember, Red Hat is mostly funded by the US military) having selected Poettering to sabotage Linux security. This is actually the main reason why it will never find its way on any of my systems. Having the TLAs being the greatest threat to security and privacy is one thing. Inviting them in is something else.
Actually thats kind of my theory on IPSEC... far too complex to configure, unnecessarily so. Easy to 'accidentally' set up IPSEC in unsecure ways because the system is so fiendishly complicated it almost encourages the administrator to make mistakes.
How many professional SysAdmins and enterprise users are regularly tinkering with their init settings? It is usually a set it and forget it type of thing.
As I see it, this is just general IT Ranting because something is new.
Because 'new' usually means untried, insufficiently tested, poorly documented etc. All the kinds of things that IT does not want in production systems, because it will mean the pager going off at 2am on a regular basis.
"Well, do you actually take on board the concerns of system administrators and enterprise users?" - what do you class RHEL as?
I'm addressing this to Lennart, not RHEL.
Well, do you actually take on board the concerns of system administrators and enterprise users?
What a lot of people are concerned about is that this entirely new and largely untested (in the 'wild', as it were) and very very large, complex piece of software which runs at a very very privileged level in the operating system is going to become the main source of security vulnerabilities in Linux.
Can we have a cut-down, simplified version of systemd for servers and doesn't try to replace several layers of server side system functionality such as logging?
Its clear that you listen to desktop users. How about listening to the system administrators?
Free speech doesn't mean that you can offend anything/anyone!
I'm offended by your view point. Please take it back now.
I'm offended by your taking offence at their view point. Please take back your offence now.
Are you going to go all "no mainstream Scotsman" on us now?
No *true* mainstream Scotsman anyway.
Perhaps you never saw Naked Gun 2 1/2? Team America? If I really felt like it, I could dig up quite a few comedies where we assassinate the living leader of a country that is considered to be the bad guy. Strangely, you think you're unique and this occasion was unique. Not going to go on about free speech but the irony is pretty intense when you consider the lack of human rights in North Korea.
I'd love to see what would happen if someone made a movie about the assassination of Obama, while he is still in office, and how the assassination is really funny.
I can't believe that the Secret Service would just turn a blind eye to it on the grounds of 'free speech'. My suspicion is that just writing the screenplay for such a movie would attract a lot of unwanted attention from several 3-letter agencies in the USA.
I used the example of Ivan Denisovich. That was written father's name last, in cyrillic, when the book was published. Was that done differently because it was literature?
I think its probably just a difference between Russian culture and Mongolian. Like I said, eg Koreans write their family name first. Some elements of Russian culture were fairly unchanged in Mongolia others got transformed. I've always wondered why ice hockey didn't take off in Mongolia; they could play it outdoors 6 months of the year!
I though the patronymic came last. "Ivan Denisovich" would be Ivan, son of Denis. Much like when last names were introduced in England, if you didn't have a good name to pick (Smith, Brown, etc.) you'd take your dad's name (Donaldson, Anderson, etc.) In the original Russian, published in 1962, Solzhenitsyn placed the patronymic after the first name
But this is much later than Kahn, and I am not an expert on names. I just know the Russian examples from literature.
When they write their names in latin script they tend to write the fathers name last, when they write it in cyrillic the fathers name goes first. They seem to think this is more correct. Many asian naming conventions put the family name first so perhaps this is related.
It's not like Khan was his family name and people called him Mr. Khan.
Mongolians don't have 'family names'.
These days they use the 'patronymic' system which was introduced by the Russians, so you have your given name and your fathers given name. Typically the fathers given name is put first, so if your dad was Dave and you are Bob your FULL name would be Dave Bob.
Before the Russian influence Mongolians had their tribal name and their given name but this was 'phased out' by the communists. Until relatively recently no one used their tribal names and many Mongolians forgot them. Even today employers don't record peoples tribal name and its hardly ever used. It appears on birth certificates but not in passports; a modern Mongolian passport will have the fathers given name in the 'surname' field.
This can cause issues for mixed marriages and international travel with children as the name on the childs passport would make little sense to immigration officials in other countries and they might assume that the foreign father travelling with his child isn't the real father and that theres something fishy going on. (ie your name is Dave Smith, your sons name is Bobby. Normally his passport would have his name as "Bobby Smith", but if he was born in Mongolia his passport would have his name as "Bobby Dave". You have to get special dispensation from the director of the passport office to have the name on the passport in conventional, international format.
Under the new regime the state identity papers list the tribal name so everyone has to provide them. Since many people just don't know it they use 'Borjigin' which is Chinggis Khans tribe. Thus the official numbers of this tribe is going up and up even though most of them are not actually biologically from that tribe.
The Slave Islands are the worst kept secret in South Korea.
http://www.news.com.au/world/a...
The entirety of geopolitics is now and always has been a gigantic exercise in kettles calling pots black.
Causing "minor inconvenience" to *thousands* of people and multiple businesses isn't minor at all. I believe it is you who lacks perspective as to harm to society.
Inconveniencing gaming is minor no matter how many thousands of people or businesses are affected. I know that people and businesses spend millions on it but still, Its Just A Game.
Sheesh, how many productive hours must be generated for every hour of DDoS on gaming sites???
I think Seth Rogen and James Franco should make dictator-mocking their shtick- they're way more likely to succeed with that strategy than anything they'll dream up by themselves. The jokes practically write themselves; in fact KJU is the only interesting character in this movie. So here are some ideas for sequels:
I was thinking, if someone started making a movie about the assassination of Barak Obama (while he is in office) and for the research on the movie they visited the USA, I bet that would turn out really well for them.
Just sayin, when the shoe is on the other foot...
Let me guess, the kernel becomes dependent on systemd?
Its gotta happen sooner or later...
It's not like the police have anything else to investigate, like, perhaps anything from institutionalized paedophilia to common burglaries, is it?
This is all about taking people's attention away from the documented failings of the police.
It occurs to me that modern policing in the west is more focused on the 'criminals' who advertise and document their own presence and activities. This makes it enormously easier for the police to make it look as if they are actually doing something (as opposed to just making work up and inventing entire crimes just for the purpose of theatre).
Any crime thats remotely hard to detect is virtually ignored in favour of the 'big ticket' items like 'hate speech'.
Also you seem to be deliberately mixing up actions by private bodies (the FA) with judicial court actions. Private bodies can do whatever they damn well please, within reason - there is a zero tolerance approach to racism in English football, hence the action against Suarez and Balotelli.
Its funny how western society likes to set itself up as a prime example of a tolerant, caring society and yet they keep trotting out the 'zero tolerance' line for practically everything that someone might find offensive.
Its ridiculous. Either its a tolerant society or it isn't. You can't have 'zero tolerance' for whatever its the latest fad to dislike and still be a tolerant society, it doesn't make sense.
You may as well say 'Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance' as to say 'The West is a caring, tolerant society', they equally confusing uses of the words...
Spoilers: In the end of the movie Kim Jung-un turns out to be a pretty fun guy (aside from the debauchery and keeping the population in slavery and all) and the would - be assassins don't do the dirty deed because of it. In other words the movie actually put's down America's CIA killing machine and puts Kim Jung in a far better light than he deserves.
oooooh
So then it was the CIA that hacked Sony and demanded this film be buried.
I'm not sure that's good for North Korea.
Sure it is. NK's goal is not to "get" Sony. It is to maintain the reputation of their leader as a psychopathic kook. This will strengthen their hand in future negotiations over important issues. If you act reasonable, your adversaries will insist on an outcome that is "fair". But if act like an irrational psychopath, your adversaries will settle for any outcome that is even halfway sane. The Kim dynasty has been using this strategy since 1950, and it has worked well for them.
Worked for Nixon.
But you can mitigate the hell out of it, I suggest air gapping.
Yes. Lets air-gap the email system. That would work well.
I've long advocated, but never implemented, having a VM just for email. This wouldn't protect from social engineering via email but its better than having the email client on the desktop itself.
what a lot of people don't realise is that after he came back from placating hitler he increased military spending significantly. If not for him, when war broke out Britain would have been squashed.
This is whats called 'international diplomacy' and was actually pretty masterful; he delayed the start of the war and ensured that Britain was prepared for it.