First off, you forget ALL THE STUFF that went before the PS3... I'm not forgetting the PSP and MagicGate and every d@mn camera they ever made and are still making, and you shouldn't either. Secondly - try plugging your USB hard drive from your PC in with your collection of music or videos on it - the PS3 will ask "Do you want to format this drive?"
You want to pick a few generic peripherals, none of which have enough profit margin to be worth Sony's trouble, out of the thousands of possibilities to claim "compatibility", and that for ONE piece of equipment Sony made; get a grip. Like I said, big fat hairy deal - all they did was save themselves money on development.
mnem
You think the attitude that made the Sony RootKit possible has magically vanished at Sony? Grow up...
I am at once both mortified and nauseated by this event... but in the end, I must agree with you. It is a horrifying thing that has happened to this family, and if I could undo it all I would, but... you can't hold back the tide with a broom; this is a fact of life in any world with public media of any kind. The internet by it's nature simply makes it easier to be in the way when this kind of stuff happens.
As for the CHPs involved... I actually feel bad for them, if what they say is true about their motivations - and it just goes to prove how even the best of intentions can be twisted by some perverted b@stard hiding under the cloak of anonymity.
As you say - love her, mourn her, celebrate her life, remember her but move on. No good can come of what this family are doing...
And I suppose Sony wasn't trying to own the next video standard when they included Blu-Ray in the PS3, driving production costs higher than sale price? The only reason Sony has won the format war (so far) is they bought off whomever they had to. Only 2 months before Sony struck a deal with the other MPAA members, Blu-Ray had been declared DOA by a dozen prominent tech wonks, and HD-DVD the "new standard".
They gambled the entire company on PS3 and Blu-Ray, but people weren't buying. Both formats were too busy fighting it out to realize that the tiny window they had where there were HDTVs everywhere but nothing to show on them had passed.
For a while, existing DVD players looked HORRIBLE on the new crop of HDTVs, and there was great momentum to upgrade to SOME FORM of HD Video Disc. Absurdly high pricing of both HD Disc hardware and content combined with the advent of new, upconverting DVD players which looked very good (Not as good as native HD, but good enough) took away that momentum. Now people didn't HAVE to spend a fortune upgrading to HD hardware or replacing their entire library of existing movies, so for most people, the format war turned into a great big DILLIGAF.
The thing that worries me is this: Sony sold its corporate soul (As black and grimy as it may be) to make Blu-Ray happen; you can be assured that one way or another, that debt WILL come due, and WE, the consumers, will ultimately pay the price.
mnem
As for PS3 "being compatible with all kinds of generic hardware"... PUH-LEASE. Anyone who's ever actually owned a PS3 knows that's a crock of crap. So they opened up the Bluetooth 1.1 API. Big fat hairy deal - it cost them NOTHING to do so, and saved them a fortune in development costs. And upgrading a storage drive is easy when the OS is in NVRAM - DUH!
... Sony had taken a brilliant innovation and nearly destroyed it by insisting on some form of proprietary hardware or another. Be it battery packs on their cameras or proprietary memory cards on almost everything they've ever made, they STILL don't understand how trying to OWN the standard almost guarantees you will NOT be compliant with whatever standard eventually develops, and therefore drives many potential customers to look elsewhere for products they would love to buy from Sony...
It's the same part of fair use that permits you to videotape a TV show which is copyrighted material; you paid for the right by allowing them to inflict you with commercials.
In your scenario you didn't PAY for the right to rip your friend's DVD; furthermore, he's actually NOT entitled under Fair Use to SHARE that DVD with you, for free or otherwise - it's simply a law they have no means of enforcing.
As for not holding up in court - it has held up in court many times; people who've brought recording devices to live performances have been ejected or arrested and tried and let go. The show operators DO still have the "Right to refuse service" to anyone; based on that, they are allowed to eject you from a performance if you are caught trying to record it and they've informed you that recording is prohibited. However, there have been cases where such recordings were not confiscated as there was no evidence of any intent to distribute.
You are still thinking in terms of Pay for Play; the rental company can't limit how many times you play that rented DVD in the time you have it rented either - Be it one time or twelve, you are only limited by the physical media and time available.
The renter of that DVD paid for the right to view it and the DVD producer got some portion of that payment; whether they like the amount they got paid or not, they have been paid. They want to prevent that, they can stop selling discs to rental companies. Remember; most copyright laws out there were written by MPAA/RIAA lawyers (or equivalent) and seek to circumvent Fair Use. The EXISTENCE of laws prohibiting the circumvention of anti-copy processes are actually a violation of the Fair Use Act in themselves; they've been fighting that one since the days of MacroVision.
I for one tend to want to err on the side of everyday users in interpreting those laws & how they play out against each other; for all the squealing those Big Piggies make about the "loss of revenue for the poor, starving performers" they've shown time and again that all they're really interested in is preserving the system whereby they get to make 99% of the profit for mostly being leeches.
So... I'm guessing you suck, and all the big studios laughed you out of their office after watching 30 seconds of your work?
Seriously... you don't understand the law; as much as it sucks to you, the person who rents a DVD from Netflix or RedBox ALSO legally has the right to make an archive copy, as they did, in fact, PAY for the right to view said performance.
Suck it up... unless you really expect the Video Rental providers to STOP renting videos, or cable companies to stop showing them on TV, or companies like iTunes to stop selling them on the internet, (thereby losing all that precious revenue stream for those who distribute your work, and ultimately YOU) you're NEVER going to have the "point of creation to point of viewing" control over your product you and the DMCA / MPAA seem to think you and they have the right to demand.
The days of the pay for play business model are over... it is a dinosaur, a dead relic whose time was really over with the advent of cassette tape and VCRs, but still hasn't sense enough to fall down.
You want to make money from your intellectual property? Find a DIFFERENT business model from the one that has been screwing you and every other performer out there for the last 100 years...
Good lord, what the frakk are you nitwits on about?
iSuppli's ENTIRE mandate is to dissect and catalog the COMPONENT PARTS VALUE of a completed product; nowhere in their breakdown do they assess development cost, or it's value as a product, or the "worthiness" of that relative value intrinsic in its parts against the purchase cost of the product.
They get paid by people who buy their breakdowns for business purposes; whether it be to figure a way to make the product less expensively, or to get an idea how much it might cost to manufacture a similar product, or just for plain press-related intent.
In truth, I'm surprised to see that it costs that much on a parts-only basis; typically tech products range in the 5%-25% range of cost to price ratio depending on the product's intended market; spending half the sale price on manufacturing such a product generally indicates you're getting a LOT of technology for your dollar.
Of course in this case much of that tech revolves around making it easy for you to spend a lot MORE money on books that have a fixed one-time production cost; but hey - that's Amazon's business model. I simply cannot make myself pay HARDCOVER price for an e-Version of a book that has been released on paperback for over a year; there's a reason they still have competition.
Don't be surprised when the geeks start hacking them; I'm sure someone is already eyeing that all day battery life and built-in Wireless Connection on someone else's account with interest...
mnem *~~~Left blinker guy on the Information Superhighway~~~*
That post reads like a veritable who's who of 90's lonely gay college student music. The fact you spent money on it makes it worse. What, no Counting Crows?
Oh, as opposed to the "I wanna get anally raped by a horse" DethKlock crap you listen to, you anonymous pvssy?
You go old man... We may be on our way to a totalitarian state, but we're not quite there yet. Keep fighting, kicking and screaming... we may yet stand a chance.
Mnem "Beware he who would deny you access to information... for in his dreams, he sees himself your master."
Ahhh... I see. I guess I'm not qualified to judge that particular aspect of computer programming... my experience as a programmer is rather limited. Building some modules for custom apps written in BBX3/BBX4 back in the 90s, plus the bits of scripting and C++ programming I've had to do in my current pursuit of a Network Admin/CISCO track degree at my local community college. I assume from your obvious contempt that this level of skill is only a few steps above "Hello World"?
As for the Pontiac - the cure was to replace the #4 and #6 injectors, as they were beyond cleaning. The way I identified what was happening was that there was a small but noticeable difference in the heat discoloration on the headpipes - checking the temp of the exhaust with my handy dandy laser/infrared thermometer indicated a 260 degree difference from one side to the other. After finding that, troubleshooting the fuel system was my first course, and it was simple visual inspection that identified the two injectors as culprit.
VroomVrooom!
Mnem "Bigger. Faster. Louder. All the good things in life..."
None of the things you've said negate my point... that repairing an automobile is a lot more complex than mere grunt work; as much an art as any science.
I'll have to disagree with you on the bit about O2 sensors glowing red when they fail however - the only time I've ever seen one do that is when the cat in front of it was burning lean due to a leak drawing in air, and then the cat was glowing cherry red too...
In case you're wondering, this particular vehicle was suffering from a partially clogged injector - poor atomization allowed unburned fuel to escape with the exhaust and burn before the cat, making the upstream O2 sensor read rich and causing the computer to constantly lean out the bank.
Mnem "The grass is always greener over the grave of a defeated foe."
This is just the kind of unenlightened ignorant self-destructive money-grubbing BS I've come to expect from them... demanding a nickel in cash over internet traffic worth a hundred bux.
Geeez... wonder when was the last time you actually fixed something on a car? Was it a burned out bulb in the dash?
Lessee... this Pontiac shows it's running lean on bank 2, the downstream HO2 sensor is lazy changing state... Is it the O2 sensor itself? Or is it maybe the upstream O2 sensor operating below threshold and causing the lean condition? Or is it really the catalytic converter coking up and causing the erroneous reading? Oh wait - maybe it's one of those vehicles covered under a TSB about corrupted EEPROM files... Or maybe the left head temperature sensor has shifted range, making the computer think it's running colder than it is...
Knowing which one of these possibilities to chase first involves a lot of intelligence, experience, and in many cases, intuitive understanding that is more art than science.
Okay - this is a lot of automotive techspeak - just as you guys talk geekspeek about everything under the sun. My point here is simple - there are many levels of expertise in any field, and the higher levels of expertise will always border on artistry. (Or at least those involved will say so...) I realize that noone here will believe that say, a dozen script-kiddies crashing the SciFi.com IRC server amounts to anything but public masturbation, but on the other hand, I've seen some truly innovative code come out of the quieter corners of one of the IT departments (read insurance industry codemills) I used to schlepp cubicles and terminals in. And just as almost any idiot can hang an exhaust on a Mustang, it takes some artistry to bend the pipe on the fly and give the customer the "tucked-under" look he's asking for.
So... just give the monkeys a break.
As a wrench monkey with over 20 years experience I can tell you - there is artistry everywhere, even in the mundane task of hanging a pair of Flowmasters.
... remember that feeling you got when the legs sprouted out of that guy's head in John Carpenter's "The Thing" ? That's the feeling I get when I hear about something as stupid as this... I mean, I guess it's the illogical evolution of the entire "tamper-resistant" fastener craze of the modern automotive industry, but as a professional mechanic for almost 20 years, I know from experience that fasteners with funny heads on them do not deter the fools and thieves out there from trying to take things apart - they only serve to provoke them into doing much more damage than they would have done had you simply used a normal bolt.
It's just bulls#it, plain & simple.
Mnem It's impossible to make anything foolproof - the fools are too damned inventive."
OMG... I remember this guy with the crazy hair and the scarf! It's Professor Isadore Corey... one of the characters the gov'ment used on TV during the 70's to try and keep us little freaks in school during that critical "after school" time every afternoon. Interesting that he came reincarnated as a seagull... and is it my imagination, or is that a Red Herring under his arm?
Mmm... But there you're comparing against dBi, while a calibrated dipole will have a greater gain... something like dBi +2.4 dB, I think. Doesn't sound like much, but it does make a difference in comparison to that waveguide/parabolic dish assembly.
Mnem "So how bout we just stuff this antenna up Darryl's arse and flip the switch? We could watch his eyes cross as a field strength meter..."
One Bel (10dB) is a power of ten in intensity. The question I have here is, is that a 22db gain over the stock antenna, or is it a 22db gain over a calibrated 50ohm dipole, as most commercial communications antennas are measured? If the former, what is the gain of the stock antenna?
Mnem "Enough technical gobbledygook. Tell me how we kill this thing."
I don't care who they are - they frell up my servers they're gettin' buckshot in the ass first, and the ones who can still walk answer questions later.;)
Of course, that attitude may seem a little harsh in some circles, but in other circles they substitute AK-47s for the buckshot... so who's the extremist here?
Mnem "It's a thankless job, but I have a lot of Karma to burn off."
They say they're doing this to protect their subcribers from SPAM?!?!? How obscene is THAT?
No, they're trying to keep us Trillian (and other similar third-party client) users from using their bug-ridden "service" without paying for it by watching their authorized SPAM.
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You want to pick a few generic peripherals, none of which have enough profit margin to be worth Sony's trouble, out of the thousands of possibilities to claim "compatibility", and that for ONE piece of equipment Sony made; get a grip. Like I said, big fat hairy deal - all they did was save themselves money on development.
mnem
You think the attitude that made the Sony RootKit possible has magically vanished at Sony? Grow up...
As for the CHPs involved... I actually feel bad for them, if what they say is true about their motivations - and it just goes to prove how even the best of intentions can be twisted by some perverted b@stard hiding under the cloak of anonymity.
As you say - love her, mourn her, celebrate her life, remember her but move on. No good can come of what this family are doing...
mnem
namaste.
They gambled the entire company on PS3 and Blu-Ray, but people weren't buying. Both formats were too busy fighting it out to realize that the tiny window they had where there were HDTVs everywhere but nothing to show on them had passed.
For a while, existing DVD players looked HORRIBLE on the new crop of HDTVs, and there was great momentum to upgrade to SOME FORM of HD Video Disc. Absurdly high pricing of both HD Disc hardware and content combined with the advent of new, upconverting DVD players which looked very good (Not as good as native HD, but good enough) took away that momentum. Now people didn't HAVE to spend a fortune upgrading to HD hardware or replacing their entire library of existing movies, so for most people, the format war turned into a great big DILLIGAF.
The thing that worries me is this: Sony sold its corporate soul (As black and grimy as it may be) to make Blu-Ray happen; you can be assured that one way or another, that debt WILL come due, and WE, the consumers, will ultimately pay the price.
mnem
As for PS3 "being compatible with all kinds of generic hardware"... PUH-LEASE. Anyone who's ever actually owned a PS3 knows that's a crock of crap. So they opened up the Bluetooth 1.1 API. Big fat hairy deal - it cost them NOTHING to do so, and saved them a fortune in development costs. And upgrading a storage drive is easy when the OS is in NVRAM - DUH!
mnem
Where's the BetaMax?
*Runs away to scrub his cachefile with bleach*
mnem
Fortunately, I keep my scales numbered for just such an emergency...
mnem
"There out to be a law against you coming around... you should be made to wear earphones..."
In your scenario you didn't PAY for the right to rip your friend's DVD; furthermore, he's actually NOT entitled under Fair Use to SHARE that DVD with you, for free or otherwise - it's simply a law they have no means of enforcing.
As for not holding up in court - it has held up in court many times; people who've brought recording devices to live performances have been ejected or arrested and tried and let go. The show operators DO still have the "Right to refuse service" to anyone; based on that, they are allowed to eject you from a performance if you are caught trying to record it and they've informed you that recording is prohibited. However, there have been cases where such recordings were not confiscated as there was no evidence of any intent to distribute.
You are still thinking in terms of Pay for Play; the rental company can't limit how many times you play that rented DVD in the time you have it rented either - Be it one time or twelve, you are only limited by the physical media and time available.
The renter of that DVD paid for the right to view it and the DVD producer got some portion of that payment; whether they like the amount they got paid or not, they have been paid. They want to prevent that, they can stop selling discs to rental companies. Remember; most copyright laws out there were written by MPAA/RIAA lawyers (or equivalent) and seek to circumvent Fair Use. The EXISTENCE of laws prohibiting the circumvention of anti-copy processes are actually a violation of the Fair Use Act in themselves; they've been fighting that one since the days of MacroVision.
I for one tend to want to err on the side of everyday users in interpreting those laws & how they play out against each other; for all the squealing those Big Piggies make about the "loss of revenue for the poor, starving performers" they've shown time and again that all they're really interested in is preserving the system whereby they get to make 99% of the profit for mostly being leeches.
mnem
I'm NOT a grunion!
Seriously... you don't understand the law; as much as it sucks to you, the person who rents a DVD from Netflix or RedBox ALSO legally has the right to make an archive copy, as they did, in fact, PAY for the right to view said performance.
Suck it up... unless you really expect the Video Rental providers to STOP renting videos, or cable companies to stop showing them on TV, or companies like iTunes to stop selling them on the internet, (thereby losing all that precious revenue stream for those who distribute your work, and ultimately YOU) you're NEVER going to have the "point of creation to point of viewing" control over your product you and the DMCA / MPAA seem to think you and they have the right to demand.
The days of the pay for play business model are over... it is a dinosaur, a dead relic whose time was really over with the advent of cassette tape and VCRs, but still hasn't sense enough to fall down.
You want to make money from your intellectual property? Find a DIFFERENT business model from the one that has been screwing you and every other performer out there for the last 100 years...
mnem Food for thought, thought from food.
iSuppli's ENTIRE mandate is to dissect and catalog the COMPONENT PARTS VALUE of a completed product; nowhere in their breakdown do they assess development cost, or it's value as a product, or the "worthiness" of that relative value intrinsic in its parts against the purchase cost of the product.
They get paid by people who buy their breakdowns for business purposes; whether it be to figure a way to make the product less expensively, or to get an idea how much it might cost to manufacture a similar product, or just for plain press-related intent.
In truth, I'm surprised to see that it costs that much on a parts-only basis; typically tech products range in the 5%-25% range of cost to price ratio depending on the product's intended market; spending half the sale price on manufacturing such a product generally indicates you're getting a LOT of technology for your dollar.
Of course in this case much of that tech revolves around making it easy for you to spend a lot MORE money on books that have a fixed one-time production cost; but hey - that's Amazon's business model. I simply cannot make myself pay HARDCOVER price for an e-Version of a book that has been released on paperback for over a year; there's a reason they still have competition.
Don't be surprised when the geeks start hacking them; I'm sure someone is already eyeing that all day battery life and built-in Wireless Connection on someone else's account with interest...
mnem *~~~Left blinker guy on the Information Superhighway~~~*
That post reads like a veritable who's who of 90's lonely gay college student music. The fact you spent money on it makes it worse. What, no Counting Crows?
Oh, as opposed to the "I wanna get anally raped by a horse" DethKlock crap you listen to, you anonymous pvssy?
You go old man... We may be on our way to a totalitarian state, but we're not quite there yet. Keep fighting, kicking and screaming... we may yet stand a chance.
Mnem
"Beware he who would deny you access to information... for in his dreams, he sees himself your master."
Ahhh... I see. I guess I'm not qualified to judge that particular aspect of computer programming... my experience as a programmer is rather limited. Building some modules for custom apps written in BBX3/BBX4 back in the 90s, plus the bits of scripting and C++ programming I've had to do in my current pursuit of a Network Admin/CISCO track degree at my local community college. I assume from your obvious contempt that this level of skill is only a few steps above "Hello World"?
As for the Pontiac - the cure was to replace the #4 and #6 injectors, as they were beyond cleaning. The way I identified what was happening was that there was a small but noticeable difference in the heat discoloration on the headpipes - checking the temp of the exhaust with my handy dandy laser/infrared thermometer indicated a 260 degree difference from one side to the other. After finding that, troubleshooting the fuel system was my first course, and it was simple visual inspection that identified the two injectors as culprit.
VroomVrooom!
Mnem
"Bigger. Faster. Louder. All the good things in life..."
None of the things you've said negate my point... that repairing an automobile is a lot more complex than mere grunt work; as much an art as any science.
I'll have to disagree with you on the bit about O2 sensors glowing red when they fail however - the only time I've ever seen one do that is when the cat in front of it was burning lean due to a leak drawing in air, and then the cat was glowing cherry red too...
In case you're wondering, this particular vehicle was suffering from a partially clogged injector - poor atomization allowed unburned fuel to escape with the exhaust and burn before the cat, making the upstream O2 sensor read rich and causing the computer to constantly lean out the bank.
Mnem
"The grass is always greener over the grave of a defeated foe."
This is just the kind of unenlightened ignorant self-destructive money-grubbing BS I've come to expect from them... demanding a nickel in cash over internet traffic worth a hundred bux.
Dipsh!ts.
Geeez... wonder when was the last time you actually fixed something on a car? Was it a burned out bulb in the dash?
Lessee... this Pontiac shows it's running lean on bank 2, the downstream HO2 sensor is lazy changing state... Is it the O2 sensor itself? Or is it maybe the upstream O2 sensor operating below threshold and causing the lean condition? Or is it really the catalytic converter coking up and causing the erroneous reading? Oh wait - maybe it's one of those vehicles covered under a TSB about corrupted EEPROM files... Or maybe the left head temperature sensor has shifted range, making the computer think it's running colder than it is...
Knowing which one of these possibilities to chase first involves a lot of intelligence, experience, and in many cases, intuitive understanding that is more art than science.
Okay - this is a lot of automotive techspeak - just as you guys talk geekspeek about everything under the sun. My point here is simple - there are many levels of expertise in any field, and the higher levels of expertise will always border on artistry. (Or at least those involved will say so...) I realize that noone here will believe that say, a dozen script-kiddies crashing the SciFi.com IRC server amounts to anything but public masturbation, but on the other hand, I've seen some truly innovative code come out of the quieter corners of one of the IT departments (read insurance industry codemills) I used to schlepp cubicles and terminals in. And just as almost any idiot can hang an exhaust on a Mustang, it takes some artistry to bend the pipe on the fly and give the customer the "tucked-under" look he's asking for.
So... just give the monkeys a break.
As a wrench monkey with over 20 years experience I can tell you - there is artistry everywhere, even in the mundane task of hanging a pair of Flowmasters.
... remember that feeling you got when the legs sprouted out of that guy's head in John Carpenter's "The Thing" ?
That's the feeling I get when I hear about something as stupid as this... I mean, I guess it's the illogical evolution of the entire "tamper-resistant" fastener craze of the modern automotive industry, but as a professional mechanic for almost 20 years, I know from experience that fasteners with funny heads on them do not deter the fools and thieves out there from trying to take things apart - they only serve to provoke them into doing much more damage than they would have done had you simply used a normal bolt.
It's just bulls#it, plain & simple.
Mnem
It's impossible to make anything foolproof - the fools are too damned inventive."
OMG... I remember this guy with the crazy hair and the scarf! It's Professor Isadore Corey... one of the characters the gov'ment used on TV during the 70's to try and keep us little freaks in school during that critical "after school" time every afternoon. Interesting that he came reincarnated as a seagull... and is it my imagination, or is that a Red Herring under his arm?
Mnem
*Cackles and runs away from school again*
*Sticks a fork in SCSI's duck* Hmmm... I think it's done...
How high can a duck with nano-springs in his feet jump, anyhow?
Ooops... please forgive me. I've had little sleep and my associations have become rather loose of late...
Mnem
*Toddles off to find something that's actually USER-FRIENDLY*
The computer industry in China and Russia would collapse without pirated copies of Winbloze and Orifice 2000...
Mnem
"Running your computer without MicroSoft is like going to war without France."
Mmm... But there you're comparing against dBi, while a calibrated dipole will have a greater gain... something like dBi +2.4 dB, I think. Doesn't sound like much, but it does make a difference in comparison to that waveguide/parabolic dish assembly.
Mnem
"So how bout we just stuff this antenna up Darryl's arse and flip the switch? We could watch his eyes cross as a field strength meter..."
One Bel (10dB) is a power of ten in intensity. The question I have here is, is that a 22db gain over the stock antenna, or is it a 22db gain over a calibrated 50ohm dipole, as most commercial communications antennas are measured? If the former, what is the gain of the stock antenna?
Mnem
"Enough technical gobbledygook. Tell me how we kill this thing."
... that you waited as long as you did.
;)
I don't care who they are - they frell up my servers they're gettin' buckshot in the ass first, and the ones who can still walk answer questions later.
Of course, that attitude may seem a little harsh in some circles, but in other circles they substitute AK-47s for the buckshot... so who's the extremist here?
Mnem
"It's a thankless job, but I have a lot of Karma to burn off."
They say they're doing this to protect their subcribers from SPAM?!?!? How obscene is THAT?
No, they're trying to keep us Trillian (and other similar third-party client) users from using their bug-ridden "service" without paying for it by watching their authorized SPAM.
Mnem
"Alien Anal Probes?!? Where do I sign up?"
My Sucker Detector is presently pinging at about 300 clicks a minute...
Mnem
"I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public."
...Unbelieveably Arrogant!!!
See how a multibillionaire buys changes to federal laws so he can scoot around in a 15-year-old race car, endangering all on the public highways!
Heh. Severe tire damage indeed...
*Gets his shotgun*
Mnem
"Oh My GAWD! The quarterback is TOAST!"