Pretty much every benchmark around shows that the K8 doesn't benefit signficantly from extra cache. From 512KB to 1MB you get maybe 3% or 4% more performance if you are lucky. The IMC saps quite a bit of the gains that having more cache brings you as the penalty for a cache miss is reduced.
"This was news a few years ago when some folks got an electric pump installed to assist their failing heart, and their OEM heart recovered to the point where the pump was no longer needed."
If they had only bought the retail model for $5 more they would have had a warranty.
Actually, from what I have read Hard Drives DO read about twice as fast as they write. The transfer rate quoted is usually the read speed. You would need a fairly burly RAID array to break 100MB/s write speed. RAID 5 usually has poor write speeds and a plain RAID 0 is obviously not going to cut it for anything mission critical.
You will not be able to play HD content off of Blue-Ray disks with the lower end PS3 as it does not support HDMI. Playing it through Component cables will make the unit degrade the video quality.
"I upgraded to a ATI X1600 Pro 512MB...."
If thats the card correct model number than that is your problem right there. That's a midrange card at best. This is a very graphically demanding game. My 6800 is pretty close to your card in performance and I can still not run much more than 1024x768 with middling to decent settings, and I have the equivalent of an FX-60.
" Our steel industry is completely decimated now. We barely make any heavy machinery in the United States. God forbid we actually ever get into a real war against the countries we've outsourced these things to.
Ah yes, the classic protectionist defense argument. "
The Chinese firms that decimated our Steel industry were backed by the state and dumped chinese steel into the market below the market-clearing price to put our firms out of business and have the market to themselves. So who is the protectionist then?
Vista will come with installation media that will install the version corresponding with the license key given. At least for the Home versions and Ultimate edition, which will not have a volume license option. The two business editions do not have all the multimedia functionality and will be available for volume licensing.
I guess the only downside to that method is that SLI-worthy cards are up around the $300 and up mark. If the performance of GPU-accelerated physics via SLI is roughly the same as a dedicated physics card, then I might agree with you. If Ageia's solution proves to be a few times faster than a $600 SLI setup, than that would be a better alternative as the physics card will probably debut at closer to $200 MSRP.
I think(hope) that they chose those parts just to prove that they could maintain a desired noise level along with keeping a high-end system cool. They mentioned that they wanted to build something that could still be stable when OC'ed, so picking an FX-57 and a 7900 based card simulates that. In reality, I would have swapped the FX-57 for an Opteron 165, dropped down to the cheaper 7900 model. That would shave off at least $700 or so.
Technically, Tactical Nukes and most other items that would be classified as WMD would fall under the term of ordnance, not arms. This is a significant distinction as during the time the Constitution was drafted they did have military tech that was considered ordnance such as cannon etc. The Bill of Rights mentions nothing of ordnance, only of a right to bear arms.
The SSE implementation on the AthlonXP wasn't particularly fast. IIRC, then just added some logic that decoded SSE ops into FPU ops and let the AthlonXPs nice FPU crunch it. This is part of why there wasn't really any speedup in SSE-optimized apps for the Athlon.
Now the K8 may be a different beast in this regard. I haven't seen any recent benchmarks, however.
Prescott P4s consume significantly more power than your Northwood 2.4Ghz chip. Also, your video card was midrange when it was new, so it doesn't draw a ton of power compared to the high end cards of it's time, let alone the $600 monsters they are selling today.
You can scale a current P4 to 6 or 7 Ghz potentially if cooling is not an issue. If you tried to do 50 Ghz with "Super-Duper Extreme Cooling" or even with a straight die-shrink on some future smaller process, it wouldn't work. A straight die shrink of a 386 might do 100 or 200Mhz, but I doubt much more.
I am pretty sure they do actually do use 386s fabbed on more modern processes in the embedded market as microcontrollers, so it would be interesting to see what speeds those run at. I doubt it's much(2 or 3x) more than the original ones did.
Thta's different because it is being broadcast over public ariwaves, which the government can more easily enforce legislation upong those doing so. There is no way for them to effectively enforce a law that outlaws all existing analog recording devices.
To get a 386 to run at that speed, you would have to re-engineer the chip so much that it wouldn't resemble a 386 anymore. There are issues such as clock skew and other timing issues that would prevent the chip from running at that speed even if fabbed on a newer, more efficient manufacturing process.
but once I thought about it, maybe I would play more of these violent games again if there were less 13-year old asshats on all the public servers. Maybe there is a silver lining after all:>)-
I could see this as being a stopgap solution as they really ought to have something working for when the shuttles need to be decommisioned. I am afraid that once they have this system working, they will not fund any development of truly new technology.
Where do you live that a house near, let alone in, a big city is only $250k? In SoCal, the average house price is well over $400k now. Somewhere in the midwest, you can buy a decent home for closer to $100k depending on area.
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Pretty much every benchmark around shows that the K8 doesn't benefit signficantly from extra cache. From 512KB to 1MB you get maybe 3% or 4% more performance if you are lucky. The IMC saps quite a bit of the gains that having more cache brings you as the penalty for a cache miss is reduced.
Please, these are computer geeks. They still need to work on having one personality. :>)
"This was news a few years ago when some folks got an electric pump installed to assist their failing heart, and their OEM heart recovered to the point where the pump was no longer needed." If they had only bought the retail model for $5 more they would have had a warranty.
I am irritated that $180 video cards are now considered "budget"
Actually, from what I have read Hard Drives DO read about twice as fast as they write. The transfer rate quoted is usually the read speed. You would need a fairly burly RAID array to break 100MB/s write speed. RAID 5 usually has poor write speeds and a plain RAID 0 is obviously not going to cut it for anything mission critical.
You will not be able to play HD content off of Blue-Ray disks with the lower end PS3 as it does not support HDMI. Playing it through Component cables will make the unit degrade the video quality.
"I upgraded to a ATI X1600 Pro 512MB...." If thats the card correct model number than that is your problem right there. That's a midrange card at best. This is a very graphically demanding game. My 6800 is pretty close to your card in performance and I can still not run much more than 1024x768 with middling to decent settings, and I have the equivalent of an FX-60.
" Our steel industry is completely decimated now. We barely make any heavy machinery in the United States. God forbid we actually ever get into a real war against the countries we've outsourced these things to.
Ah yes, the classic protectionist defense argument.
"
The Chinese firms that decimated our Steel industry were backed by the state and dumped chinese steel into the market below the market-clearing price to put our firms out of business and have the market to themselves. So who is the protectionist then?
Vista will come with installation media that will install the version corresponding with the license key given. At least for the Home versions and Ultimate edition, which will not have a volume license option. The two business editions do not have all the multimedia functionality and will be available for volume licensing.
I guess the only downside to that method is that SLI-worthy cards are up around the $300 and up mark. If the performance of GPU-accelerated physics via SLI is roughly the same as a dedicated physics card, then I might agree with you. If Ageia's solution proves to be a few times faster than a $600 SLI setup, than that would be a better alternative as the physics card will probably debut at closer to $200 MSRP.
I think(hope) that they chose those parts just to prove that they could maintain a desired noise level along with keeping a high-end system cool. They mentioned that they wanted to build something that could still be stable when OC'ed, so picking an FX-57 and a 7900 based card simulates that. In reality, I would have swapped the FX-57 for an Opteron 165, dropped down to the cheaper 7900 model. That would shave off at least $700 or so.
Technically, Tactical Nukes and most other items that would be classified as WMD would fall under the term of ordnance, not arms. This is a significant distinction as during the time the Constitution was drafted they did have military tech that was considered ordnance such as cannon etc. The Bill of Rights mentions nothing of ordnance, only of a right to bear arms.
The SSE implementation on the AthlonXP wasn't particularly fast. IIRC, then just added some logic that decoded SSE ops into FPU ops and let the AthlonXPs nice FPU crunch it. This is part of why there wasn't really any speedup in SSE-optimized apps for the Athlon. Now the K8 may be a different beast in this regard. I haven't seen any recent benchmarks, however.
That 9250 is only DirectX 8 compliant despite the model number. Step up to a 9600 or so and I will agree with you, however.
MS already announed that XP Home support will be extended to 2008
I meant that RAID stands for Redundant Array or Individual Disks.
Prescott P4s consume significantly more power than your Northwood 2.4Ghz chip. Also, your video card was midrange when it was new, so it doesn't draw a ton of power compared to the high end cards of it's time, let alone the $600 monsters they are selling today.
"Use a redundant RAID configuration" you do realize your statement was redundant? :>)
You can scale a current P4 to 6 or 7 Ghz potentially if cooling is not an issue. If you tried to do 50 Ghz with "Super-Duper Extreme Cooling" or even with a straight die-shrink on some future smaller process, it wouldn't work. A straight die shrink of a 386 might do 100 or 200Mhz, but I doubt much more. I am pretty sure they do actually do use 386s fabbed on more modern processes in the embedded market as microcontrollers, so it would be interesting to see what speeds those run at. I doubt it's much(2 or 3x) more than the original ones did.
Thta's different because it is being broadcast over public ariwaves, which the government can more easily enforce legislation upong those doing so. There is no way for them to effectively enforce a law that outlaws all existing analog recording devices.
To get a 386 to run at that speed, you would have to re-engineer the chip so much that it wouldn't resemble a 386 anymore. There are issues such as clock skew and other timing issues that would prevent the chip from running at that speed even if fabbed on a newer, more efficient manufacturing process.
but once I thought about it, maybe I would play more of these violent games again if there were less 13-year old asshats on all the public servers. Maybe there is a silver lining after all :>)-
I could see this as being a stopgap solution as they really ought to have something working for when the shuttles need to be decommisioned. I am afraid that once they have this system working, they will not fund any development of truly new technology.
Where do you live that a house near, let alone in, a big city is only $250k? In SoCal, the average house price is well over $400k now. Somewhere in the midwest, you can buy a decent home for closer to $100k depending on area.
That's not rebooting, that's coming out of suspend. My SL-5500 coms out of suspend in maybe 5 or 6 seconds as well.