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A Kilowatt of Power
An anonymous reader writes "There is finally a review available of a kilowatt power supply. The PC Power and Cooling 1KW produces 1000W of power output with 1100W peak. The review points out how great this product did in the testing but was not afraid to admit how much of an overkill it is for the enthusiast market. From the article, 'In the current computing world, where more always equals "better than" the 1KW is king.'"
1KW? Pfffft, and you think thats Ub3r 133t? Check out my super-duper(tm) Cisco Systems 4200 WACV 4.2KW powerhouse. This baby whoups any powersupply anyday, anywheres, anytime.
> was not afraid to admit how much of an overkill it is for the enthusiast market.
Nothing is overkill for a true enthusiast.
(You should see my friend's stereo speakers.)
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I've got a 1.21 Jigawatt power supply. Powered by some plutonium I stole from some terrorists in a VW bus down at the twin pines mall.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
For a consumer power supply, this thing is insane. I mean, there are certainly applications for it with today's use of RAID arrays, SLI video cards and Pentium 4 processors, but we should really be asking whether using this much electricity on running a single computer is really worth it.
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I thought this was Slashdot, not GHZWATTMBCIRCLEJERK.
You obviously have not seen my flux capacitor
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"In the quest for maximum PC performance, you cannot have too much of a good thing. The enthusiasts have shown us that two video cards are better than one, as are two hard drives, and faster is always better."
Preposterous!
The next thing they'll be telling us is that it's better to have $1000.00 than $100.00, vehicles with better gas mileage will save money, doctors make more money than fry cooks, and Linux is better than Windows.
A PSU that can run two high end computers. Its funny but very intresting if it can do this without a problem.
I love powerful PCs/workstation (drools over Dual-Core Dual HP XW9300).
But I also hate the noise of powerful PCs.
This freakshow of a power-supply is IMO useless in any real-world scenario (except for maybe being a good bad example), in addition to setting a silly precedent for non-intelligent and downright wasteful use of resources.
People should get used to the fact that soon they won't be able to afford the power-consumption of such a beast anymore.
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...but funny
So this power supply is running continously at 91% of its rated peak power. That's totally mad. Most devices I can think of run normally at less then 50% of peak power. That's why its called "peak".
The peak power in this case is more like slightly greater than normal consumption. Lots of devices (fan motors for example) consume 200% normal power during startup.
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that should be ( 1000w x 0.125 cents_per_kwh x 24hours x 30days / 100). As DaVinci himself wrote in the Codex Leicester, "My bad".
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
Just imagine how many neon lights and LEDs you could power in your modded case with that thing! It'd be like the sun!
Everyone knows, for every sticker or light-effect you add to your case, it's an honorary +50Mhz boost!
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Well, not quite... That 1000 watts is only what the suppy is capable of. The actual draw will be the combined needs of the computer's individual components, plus any inefficiencies inherent to the power supply. Likley this will be well under 1000 watts. Even so, its silly.
We get a 1.21 gigawatt power supply.
No way. If you check the specs, that thing runs continuously at 91% peak power. So, as I said, running a few apps, you're looking at a hundred bucks a month extra in your power bill (at 12.5cents per kilowatt/h).
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
I just rounded few PEAK consumption figures.
125 wats x2 for the GFX cards.
100 Wats x4 for the fastest dualcore opterons.
15 wats x 10 for the 15krpm SCSI:s.
10 wats x 16 for ram.
Soundcard,chipset,network, DVD writer. 40 wats total.
1000 wats total,
TYAN thunder K8QW is the motherboard where everything fits.
Sure 1kw is overkill for with mass market enthuastics but don't underestimate the needs of the rich.
So 8 cores and 32GB of ram, and large SCSI raid array and two fastest GFX cards, it might be overkill but its most certainly the fastest system, for everyday linux desktop usage, with a multithreaded app.
Sure the system is not cheap, but there are multiple situations where such "desktop" system would be warranted.
One is with a 100k$ per user workstation application use by 100k$ per year employee, another is when you have millions and don't care about the price.
Emacs is good operating system, but it has one flaw: Its text editor could be better.
Seagate 500Gb 7200 rpm SATA2 hard-drives this beast could power, and where the hell would I get a case that damn big.
Yes, I said it.
I've been wanting to overclock my 4800 dual core to 19200. This should be a big help. The liquid Helium is a bit hard to work with but worth it.
And i don't mean overkill like in a piece of hardware too expensive for what it delivers: this is literally overkill, as a regular desktop PC will never ever approach that kind of power consumption. More does not always equals to "better than" - you could power three computers with that thing! It seems to be a quality product though, but $500 is too much to spend in something you don't need and probably never will.
If you really need that kind of power, you don't have a "regular" PC, and there's better alternatives - several power supplies or an external one, like the ones used for large servers.
A few days ago, I installed a Thermaltake TWV-480 in one of my machines. This is a power supply that inclues a front bay panel with an LCD display telling you how many watts of power are currently being used. The machine is a Pentium 4 2.4ghz with a Radeon 9600 Pro, a CD burner, four hard drives and several USB devices.
Since installing the panel, the machine idles around 50 watts or so, spikes up to perhaps 55 if I turn up the fan speeds (which is rarely necessary), and maybe 60-75 or so for a few brief moments when I'm doing something that requires heavy disk access like openning a large file (or group of files).
I can't possibly imagine that newer, more powerful hardware would consume a full two orders of magnitude more power than this machine, especially given the great work we've all heard being done recently in heat and power efficiency with AMD's newer chips Cool 'n' Quiet tech and Intels Pentium Ms. So given that, who needs this much power?
Most computer power supplies are crap. In the race to the bottom to get the lowest cost, quality and performance were the casualties. In previous power supply roundups and shootouts, a number of products didn't deliver rated faceplate performance. Some smoked. Forget thousand watt power supplies. Most general purpose computers need a reliable power supply that meets it's published specs at 350 watts.
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Maybe when somebody makes a 1.21 gigawatt power supply, we can use it to transport ourselves back to a time when "more != better."
Big Deal...
The new Power Mac G5 (Late 2005) model has a 1 KW power supply in its 'best' configuration (that's the configuration with dual dual-core G5's, or the 'quad' configuration as it's come to be known). In fact, this new model of Power Mac G5 uses a new heavy duty power cord with a different connector on the power supply end (not the 'usual' U.S. mains connector), and draws up to 12 amps form a 120VAC circuit. It's still very quiet, like all G5's. And the Power Mac G5 (Late 2005) has been shipping for several weeks now.
I have a machine that draws upwards of 700 watts. But, that machine has 4 processers, 10 disks, and a few more goodies on it. And it doesn't use just one power supply, but three redundant supplies!
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
Depends on the climate where you live, though. If you're in a part of the world where you have an air conditioner on most of the time, then this thing's going to cost you extra energy. If, however, you're in a part of the world where you have central heating on most of the time, then this behemoth of a PSU shouldn't cost you anything extra. Its waste heat warms the room, and the thermostat turns down the central heating system to compensate.
I recall that sometimes in the winter back at university I was glad of my Athlon XP box :)
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In some parts of the world, despite all the best efforts of Climate Change, it can get cold during winter. During such times it can be necessary to keep warm. Sometimes this is achieved by ripping out furniture, skirting boards and doors, chopping them up into 'log' size pieces and burning them on the fire. This can result in warmth, however, the value of the property might have diminished and there could be drafts from a door burning too far. Furthermore, the doors and skirting boards eventually will run out, possibly before winter ends, and it might have been better to have just used the central heating. Not all buildings have central heating though, and sometimes it can seem wasteful to run central heating for a very large building, instead of, say, putting an extra jumper on. Should a jumper not be available or prove too unfashionable, and should it be just a tad nippy, then one of these little P.S.U. behemoths could be really, really handy as a Convenient Space Heater that just so happens to power a few CPU's. In my local 'Argos Extra' store normal electric heaters for rooms run at a couple of kilowatts and no more - that is the limits of the 13 Amp plug, as used with the safest plugs in the world, as found uniquely in Blighty. These heaters chuck out heat but they are dumb. If only that glowing wire was replaced with all kinds of CPU's - perhaps a selection of 486 DX 33's with a few 266 MMX's, maybe a couple of Pentium Pro's. All of them could be happily working away on a SETI project multithreaded in with one of those nuclear bomb simulations and the decoding the D.N.A. work needed by today's bio-medical-industries. Perhaps during tense situations in 'The War Against Terror' the beo-wulf-cluster of a Convenient Space Heater could be rented out to the Pentagon to help them sift through the intelligence chatter. Maybe they could pay, so the budget requirements from D.A.R.P.A. will be one of these P.S.U. babies with a new space heater from 'Argos'. They can have my drawerful of defunct C.P.U.'s as I am a loyal patriot determined to see victory in The War Against Terror. Does anyone know today's D.H.S. alert level, by the way?
Also good for arc welding, starting cars with dead batteries, electrifying the fence around your ranch, firing your railgun, and giving yourself electroshock therapy to prevent you from buying another one in the future.
So for the really multifunctional PC that is. Finally beyond the realm of computing!
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A kilowatt for bittorrent? I leave my bittorrents running on an Eden CPU, the whole machine uses something like 20 or 25 watts while it's running.
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
terrorists as I sold them that ball of tinfoil and told them it was pure plutonium.
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Point one: the blurb claims 66A (70A peak) on 12v, that's a peak of 840 watts. Since most things run off 12v these days, the claimed 1100 W peak is marketing spin.
Point two: the blurb claims 85% efficiency... over what power range? Most of the enthusiast systems that Anandtech has look like they idle at 200W - so let's go crazy and say they peak at 400W. I doubt that any single chip gaming rig would use this PSU efficiently. Looks like it's designed to delivery an awful lot of power to a workstation, not an enthusiast PC.
Gotta love when people refer to servers at work as "theirs".
"I have a machine with 24 processors and 64GB of RAM"
"One point twenty-one gigawatts?!! ONE POINT TWENTY-ONE GIGAWATTS?! Great Scott!"
Do you sometimes where all those Watts you consume come from? Is it from Iraki oil, or from uranium? :o/
Do you think about the impact of over-consumation on the Earth?
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The USB powered coffee machine (not just mug warmer), or muffin/sandwich toaster thingy. Also, as well as powering your computer, this power supply will also heat your home, so that does away with the need for central heating too.
It also comes with some vouchers for the world carbon market[carbonfinance.org]
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You berate this "freakshow of a power supply" while ranting about your need for a whisper quiet computer.
Duuuuuuhhhh.
If a power supply can crank a kilowatt without breaking too much of a sweat, what do you think it's going to do when running at a fourth of that? The cooling fan can run cooler and all those mambo heatsinks will help carry the heat out of the back of the case - as opposed to teeny heatsinks in a "less wasteful" powersupply that barely even get the heat away from the fets doing the power conversion.
640 watts ought to be enough for everybody.
to use oxygen free copper interconnects to get the best out of this!
Don't waste energy on those steenking oxygen atoms.
PS today's magic word is echelon - now I will end up on NSA's naughty list.
...you turn your computer _off_!?
1kW is a joke. Wake me up when they announce that a computer with at least as much processing power as today's top of the line runs on 1mW of power (yes, one MILLIwatt). Boasting about 1kW is like boasting that your car gets 1mile to the gallon.
Its always confused me slightly and its coming back to bite me on the ass since I now need to build a dual core SLI system (A-4800) with EIGHT hard drives. Given that SLI systems are often advised to have a 480W PSU minimum Im not quite sure a 650W even is going to be sufficient. Any pointers for an ignoramous while were on the topic of PSUs....am I actually a potential customer for one of these?
I think it's time to make computers less power-hungry. I have a 1300 MHz Duron with an nVidia geForce 5700 and two harddisks. That thing uses 145 W when it's doing nothing, and that is without the monitor. I use less power to light all the rooms in my, admittedly small, house! Even my big wide-screen CRT TV doesn't use that much power when it's on. I can't believe we can't do better. With better, I mean make computers that use less power.
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Most people can get by with a 250 watt power supply these days. A hard drive takes around 25 watts to spin up but after that it cruises along pulling only 4 to 6. Check this out.. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000353.h tml
Find some other way to compensate for your lack of whatever instead of burning more energy just because it's "bigger-than-yours".
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The aluminum smelting industry is even more power-dense (they locate them next to hydro-electric dams) but is too polluting to be in a city center, of course.
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We should be conserving energy - not wasting it on 1Kw of unnecessary power to light up your case etc. This is the American Dream - pointless overuse.
That'd be 1,210,000 of the 1kW units stacked on your DeLorean. Yeah, beowolf cluster and whatnot.
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Like what others have said, switching power supplies only draw what power they need, plus a certain amount for inefficiency. This might actually end up being more efficient than some cheap knockoff power supplies. Should last longer, as well.
As for heating, the only way drawing that much power wouldn't hurt your bottom line is if you're heating by direct electric. Last I checked, gas and oil are still cheaper per therm. A heat pump system sorta breaks the 100% efficiency thing by bringing in heat from outside.
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... a 59mpg pickup that cost me £200. Bang goes your theory.
The question is, compared to what? 75% efficient is great if the alternative is only 50%, which is what linear power supplies average. Linear supplies are simpler, but also bigger and heavier. The sheer mass of metal required can quickly make the simplicity moot, as the cost of the metal drives the price high.
Driving the frequency even higher can increase efficiency, but I believe it increases engineering complexities and strain on the components.
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Now, I've seen a number of power supplies, for both personal and business use. I have NEVER seen one without a load of listings, including UL.
Even the most nasty power supplies I've seen are UL listed. The sheer amount of liability one would assume selling non-UL equipment ensures this.
Of course, I'll dispute with you on how important UL listing is for a review.
1. Why list it if everything you review is UL listed?
2. UL listing merely means that it's gone through testing to pretty much insure that if it fails it doesn't cause a serious safety hazard by doing things like electrifying it's case, blowing up, spewing glass shards everywhere, catching fire, etc. It's not a statement of quality or performance.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that some of the newest dual-core Power Mac G5s run a 1 kW power supply STOCK. I thought it was insane when I first found out about it.
I'm on top of my game like I'm standin' on Xbox.
In Ham radio terms that is a full gallon power supply.
I suspect in most computers the top drive bay will have to be
left empty due to the depth of the supply.
Come on most computers will NEVER need this much power.
However imagine a machine with 8 operion (series 800)
dual core cpu's and 4gb of ram PER CPU. (does anybody
yet make such a motherboard?). Mix in 8 400gb super scsi
disk's and see what you get! (one of google's servers?)
I seem to remember the same arguments from a few months back:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/ 22/2157244&tid=232&tid=126
And, since IAAPSD (I am a power supply designer), the same observations are applicable:
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Pffft. Wake me up when you've got one that's 1.21 gigawatts. Then, and only then, can I power the flux capicator.
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Does a power supply necessarily use it's rated power output all the time, or is that just the rated maximum wattage output?
For instance, if my hardware is only drawing a couple hundred w, but I install a 1kW supply, will it still use 1kW all the time?
Because if it does not, I see no reason for people to not aim high when choosing a supply. It would give you a safety buffer in case power requirements spike for some reason, without stressing the power supply.
No kidding. That's enough power to run a refrigerator. That really is overkill. Though it wasn't that long ago that a 250 watt PS was overkill. So who knows.
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Most people don't even need the 350-500W PSU's they purchase. I run this off of a 220W and have for about two and a half years now...
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What I want to know is: How much power my machine actually uses.
Do I really need the 550W power supply I have?
The only way I have to find out is to add up the requirements/usage that I have on paper for all of my devices. I wouldn't trust that number at all since I could have some poor run of devices that actually draws 50% more power on startup than it says it does and not know it.
Is there any easy way to measure how much power a machine actually uses?
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That comes with its own nuclear reactor ! When you're not using 3D applications, you can feed the extra power back to grid for fun and profit ! You're going to need that profit for waste disposal...
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In the US I can think of only one like that with similar mileage, the old VW Rabbit diesel pickup. Pretty rare now, you don't see many of them.
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As anyone who has read Nanosystems would know, 1kW is nothing. To power Drexler's 1 cm^3 nanocomputer we need at least 100 kW (Nanosystems, pg 370). Now, that is just the waste heat coming out of a nanocomputer -- one would presume one has to have more power going into it. So show me a power supply with 100+ kW up front -- then I'll be impressed.
Looks like that's enough power to run the laser that'll go through your skull and erase all memories of that movie you just watched. Sorry, no organic backups permitted...
Who is really going to use 1kW of power in their system? What I'd rather see is a mainstream affordable redundant power supply. I just finished building a new low-cost file server and I'd love to have a redundant power supply that isn't overpriced just beause it's industrial. Oh well something to add to my list of things to build when I'm not busy....
Seriously, it's only a matter of time before a CPU manufacturer releases a super-hot chip that will dissipate that much power as heat.
We could probably create a variation on Moore's law that would predict heat dissipation of CPUs.
And I didn't even see them mention the UPS that you'll need to ensure this stays up long enough for a proper shutdown.
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1.21 jigawatts? 1.21 jigawatts? Great Scott!
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1 kw powersupplies have been around for a long time, just not for joe schmoes home computer. People that don't know anything about electronics are bound to have humongous hardons over this news.
Show me a 200 ampere power supply that will fit into an ATX case and I will truly be impressed.
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I haven't seen anyone else mention it, but for most switcher supplies sold to the PC market, you have to pay attention to the minimum loads as well. Typically, these are specified at 10% to 20% of the maximum continuous load. So, don't buy that 1000W PSU unless you are going to be using 100 to 200 watts at all times. If you drop below the minimum load, the regulation goes to hell and you could get unreliable operation. Sometimes, the design requires a mix of minimum loads on the different outputs; other designs have one primary output that needs the minimum loading.
More expensive designs have preload resistors or other design features which eliminate the minimum load requirement, but I don't think that's what we are talking about here.
There's also something odd about rating a PSU at 1100W peak and 1000W continuous. Based on the types of components that are likely to be in the system, if you keep below the 1100W peak value, it's unlikely that your continuous draw will be more than about 700W, possibly less if you have lots of hard drives.
Bottom line -- bigger is not always better.
A 1KW power supply is not king, it's the worst possible example of waste and the most ineligant solution.
A computer system that can perform at currently accepted levels and needs less power is king. Show me an AMD64-class CPU running at 3GHz with a terabyte of storage operating at 100W or less and I'll be impressed. It takes no magic to throw more hardware/power at a design - that's just brute force.
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All energy turns to heat in the end.
No, all energy turns into a superdense, supermassive black hole where the concept of molecular movement is not just wrong, it is no longer applicable.
All energy becomes gravity in the end. That is just one of many ways this PSU makes its users heavier.
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It occurs to me that this 1kW power supply that runs cool enough to be put in an average computer enclosure. I hope this implies that a 500W power supply based on the same component technology will run even cooler. This raises the possibility of passive cooling, which is good if you don't like to hear your computer's fans spinning.
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The problem is that nobody wants them.
There are all sorts of low powered options out there. But you can't play Quake on them, and they don't run Windows. So they aren't sold into markets (home users) where nobody will buy them.
The staggering computational power of a modern machine goes hand in hand with the staggering amounts of power they are consuming now.
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When can I have a yottawatt power supply?
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
Big servers can start to draw power in that realm. If I were to build a bigass Opteron multi-processor, multi-core Opteron server, I might look at using these. I've always been of the opinion that you should overspec on power supply to make sure you don't overload anything. Your system needs 200 wats, get a 300 or 350 watt, and so on. Also leaves room for expansion. So if I've got a system loaded full of high end processors, RAM and disks and it's drawing like 600 watts, I don't think it would be unreasonable to have 1kw backing it up.
I'm not saying there's much use for it, and I'm sure most people buying it will be the "l33t 0v4cl0ck4" types that don't need it, but there ARE reasons to want that much power. Hell, there are Sun servers out there with power supplies that don't connect to 20 amp sockets, they need something bigger. Limited use yes, but they are real.
Those draw more power than you might think. Maybe not normal, but peak. I remember back in 2000 my roomate had a server at work that had multiple high speed SCSI drives, 15k I think but maybe just 10k. At any rate there was a problem with them, the BIOS on the drives (yes the drives had BIOS, supprised me too) wasn't compatible with the RAID controller they had, needed to update them. So he brought them home and we were going to use my system since a had a little SCSI card for my burner. It was slow, but supported and would let us load the BIOS.
However, upon putting the drive in my system, it wouldn't power on. It would turn on, then off again. I wasn't sure what was happening. My roomate guessed, correctly, that the load was too mych for my PSU. It was somethig like a 200watt PSU, maybe 250. Fine for my little P2 and couple of drives, not enough for this. We ended up having his computer, stripped down, next to mine providing power for the drive with mine doing the BIOS update to make it work.
Now, imagine a system with 15 of these drives in it. Or with 45 (there are RAID controllers that support that many). Now further suppose you want it all on one PSU so that your PSUs are fully redundant.
Not saying you are going to see this every day, but there are some real high-drain uses out there.
What about running two 500W supplies in parallel?
For less money I could run 3 500W power supplies in parallel and be redundant!
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I read the topic title, then immediately went to Edit > Find > 1.21 > Find Next, and there it was.
SO WE ARE GO BACK TO VAX ?
When we will be using 3-phase power in our's pc ?
Why would he need a fire extinguisher?
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
It's great to have a 1600 watt or 4000 watt or w/e powersupply, but will it fit into an average gamer's ATX form factor case? probably not. This Megawatt one will. up to now we havent had that kind of power accesable for the ATX form factor market.