Is there no end to the level of control this government thinks it should impose on people of this country? The fact that this seems to be taken with humour rather than concern says a lot about the mentality of this audience. Wise up kiddies, Government's natural desire to intrude (gain power) combined with the monitoring and control capability that can be achieved with today's technology should scare the hell out of everyone. I would think the people that read a site like this would appreciate that more than most. Laugh stuff like this off and you can look forward to a future where you can't take a breath without the government having control over it.
People are leaving the field of Computer Science. Why would you spend 4 to 6 (or 7 for those of you who are slow...) years getting a BS or MS in CiS to sit in a cube like a damn secretary? In the same time you can get a degree in law, psychology, psychiatry many interesting fields that don't change every 3 to 6 months and throw you out the door when you make more than $100K or get over 45 years old. In fact some of those professions actually pay you more and you're even more sought after when you're older and wiser! CS eats it's elders!! CS is dying in the US and this is another reason why. Who wants a job that's no more respected than the 20 year old admin that's blowing the boss every afternoon.
I've been at this for 20 years and I make great money and sit in a nice office but I'm the exception not the rule. I tell anyone out there seeking career advice, stay out of Computer Science, It's a sucky career for the majority of people and as far as a career you can retire from? Forget about it! Don't believe me? How many 63 year old programmers work for your company? How many 63 year old accounts? Get it...
Ahahahahahahaha!! LMAO!! He cut 122 billion and added 3 Trillion! In my book adding 3 Trillion and cutting 122 billion still equals adding 2.78 Trillion...
Com'on! Name calling aside you Obamite's really need to pay more attention. By your logic it's ok to steal your Range Rover if I give you a Big Wheel back...
"(I consider the modern Republican party to be nothing more than a scam that seeks power for the explicit purpose of perverting the United States into some combination of theocracy and corporate plutocracy. I hold the Democrats in marginally less contempt; At least they generally offer the people a reacharound while they're screwing us)"
This being modded to 5: Insightful (!!) says more about the audience of this web page than words ever could. What a collection of idiot sheep that clearly spend more time reading Slashdot than actual history...
As to "The Master Control Pee", you're probably too busy trying to tune in "The View" and "Air America" to actually read and understand what's going on here. If you're still trying to hold Ronald Reagan and the Bush's (as if they had similar objectives and methods (NOT!!)) for the mess the current moronic air filled suit in the WH has made you're not only delusional but stupid. This is what happens when a newbee Senator that's done nothing to be elected president, beyond managing to be born brown, gets into office. The insanely stupid fascists in Congress keep the boy playing golf and bball and anything else that will keep him otherwise quiet and out of the way while they run the country. Stay tuned genius, I can't wait to use your money to pad my pocket!! "Nemo me impune lacessit". The American people will not tolerate much more of this. Our time is approaching....
Uhhhh no, Placebo's don't triple the national dept in less than 2 years without gaining the people the money was stolen from anything! A placebo is a treatment that has no REAL effect other than from the belief of the patient that it may work because they "believe" (hope and change??) it will work. Try that sometime when stepping in front of a fast moving car. Hope that it will Change direction and see how it works for ya... Yep, that's where we're all at. Standing in front of a fast moving vehicle Hoping it will Change. The Democrats aren't a placebo. They're a 12 gauge shotgun slug to the skull to fix a head ache. Feeling any better?
So where corrupt union officials failed the US Government has succeeded. Toss out the CEO and replace him with an Obamite, place key union officials in charge of corporate finances (paying them off with stolen tax money before REAL investors) and force the company to ramp up production of a vehicle whose time (and technology) has not yet come whose market is as imaginary as the Hollywood image that's been created.
The destruction of an auto mobile company 1, 2, 3. Henry Ford should have been so effective...
Mazda isn't managed by the US government so I'm sure they'll do a better job than the Government Motors Corp.... Unless his highness obama wants to take over Japan.....
Which would be totally awesome but I've always wondered about the danger of this causing problems. I mean, the chances of hitting something are fairly small, but still.... hit an aircraft and now you're endangering lives (not to mention in VERY DEEP S**T). And who knows who might pick the thing up on radar and again, you're in trouble.
Still, it wouldn't be that technically difficult to do....
What you're looking at is a Wiki entry and, even if we assume it's correct (ha!!) it only covers the last 50 years. That's an infinitesimally small period of time given the life time of earth (or even human existence on earth. What were the levels 100 years ago? 200? 1000? Don't know? That's right. No one was measuring them at that time. Certainly not in a way that can be summed up. The other problem is where are these readings taken from? North pole? South pole? All over the world and averaged? Median? That's my argument that this isn't a science at all. It's a religion that makes it extremely difficult to cull the noise from the legitimate data. For all we know carbon goes up and down on a 1000 year cycle that's peaking right now.
Actually there have been measurements taken from ice cores that "seem" to indicate just that (not 1000 years but 27000 years).
A wiki entry does not legitimate data make and it's certainly not the whole story.
Now if only there was any evidence WHATSOEVER that carbon IS increasing OR that increased carbon in the atmosphere is a bad thing!! Yeah, turn that little knob and see if things get better.... OOPS! The whole system is screwed up? Just turn it back right?
The problem here is that we don't understand the environment or our atmosphere nearly as well as a lot of scientists seeking funding for these studies would like you to think. Trying to make changes to the natural environment can cause just as many problems as it helps and that's assuming it helps AT ALL. Someday we may understand things enough to know what and how to affect change but that's certainly not today. To say it's an emergency (and ALL data says NOT!!) and we have to do something, anything!! is just stupid. Step one is having models that are reliable, step two is to be 100% certain that what's happening will have a negative enough impact to justify intervention.
On the models thing I keep reading about how they're getting better and better and yet we still can't predict weather day to day. How good can our models be when the path of a hurricane or the formation of a tornado or what the temperature will be tomorrow is virtually unpredictable. Oh yeah, we have a probability maps but keep in mind that most environmentalists are trying to claim they can predict an increase in global temperature of less than 1 degree in 100 years. It's not valid science and those trying to claim it is are just looking for money.
If you want to see what happens when we try to step in and HELP nature read about the history of Yellowstone National Park. We're very lucky it's still there for all the HELP we've given it....
Kinda sad. I thought it had so much promise initially and a lot of money has been thrown at it. But as someone in a previous thread was saying, iBiquity is trying to milk every little thing they can and it's clearly not going to work. Most stations will "just say no" and never miss a thing. From what I'm seeing over the last year I think HD-R may be effectively dead. Little bit like the early Apple story (without the happy ending). Too greedy too soon and the technology dies on the vine for lack of adoption.
And there's a damn good reason to maintain an analog system of broadcast... inexpensive, plentiful, ubiquitous radio's that can be used for communicating with the population should something terrible happen. Like a Marxist regime in the White House, Oh wait....
"I don't know hard core Computer Science topics like Recursion Theory, and I never spent years earning a PhD to obtain a truly informed opinion"
I did and I do. Now listen carefully, the conclusion that the globe is undergoing a warming trend is extremely debatable. There is (at least) as much evidence of just the opposite. The evidence that alleged warming is due to ANYTHING humanity has done to the environment is laughable and transparently biased toward those with a particular research and political agenda.
No go look at the data for yourself. You don't need a PhD (just an open and analytically critical mind) to understand that this is a political issue, not an environmental one.
I agree with you. Sadly we lost interest before the industrial possibilities became viable.
Considering how good we are at propagandising just about anything it kills me that NASA can make EXPLORING MARS(!!) about as interesting as watching paint peal. I grew up eating this stuff up and now, with technology that makes what I grew up with look like stone knives and bearskins, my kids have no interest whatsoever. Zero. Couldn't care less.
My one hope is that the corporate crowd that's starting to take hold of this (Burt Rutan, Richard Branson) will carry it through. They both seem to have a real passion for making it happen (instead of just the profit motive) and they seem to have a real business plan to make it a self sustaining and growing concern. It's a better model than a government agency doing it with tax dollars. I just miss the old days when space exploration was treated with reverence rather than as a less worthy competition to "Planned Parenthood" (for heavens sake!!).
You need to read a few more of the proposals and projects that were put forth at that time. Utilization of the metals and water available in the asteroid belt (between Mars and Jupiter) could be hugely profitable. Having the opportunity to perfect the process of creating a totally closed environment as would be needed on a moon base would be incredibly useful. Perfecting/optimizing the technology to go to and from high orbit and get back and forth from the moon. These are things that would grow huge industries, provide 100's of thousands (if not millions) of GOOD jobs that require education and sophistication (rather than a shovel). It would change the people and the economy of the US and probably the world as Apollo did for decades. Apollo did for the peace time economy what post WWII did. The technology side effects were incalculable.
The statement "there's nothing we need within reach" is almost laughable naive. There's plenty that we could use within easy reach if we were to devote more effort and money to opening up those horizons. This as opposed to say, paying for the lazy and stupid to continue to be so to provide votes for the criminally political. It's all a matter of priority. Do you want to support the lazy and stupid or contribute to the greater things man can achieve? The stupid and lazy will always be among us. The great and noble shine through only occasionally and the opportunity for them to do so is worth the investment. There are certainly places for exploration on earth. I'm talking about moving mankind forward, not just exploration.
"Why do the ignorant or unthinking want to deny such wonders and enrichment to our children and grandchildren"
I think the question contains the answer. The ignorant and unthinking don't value that type of enrichment. Having watched the moon landing as a kid and both shuttle disasters it sounds like we have similar feelings about the space program. The most shocking thing to me is that the shuttle, whose first landing was made with I was starting college, is still our only manned launch vehicle (to speak of...) almost 30 years later. That still boggles my mind...
Considering Warner Von Braun was describing trips to Mars and moon bases in the 60's (with existing engineering technology) I'm amazed at our sad lack of progress in space exploration
Yeah, we'll suffocate... or was it freeze? or was it fry....? I better ask Al Gore and see what the head moron is condemning us to pay for now. The arrogance of the green crowd to think we could fix the Earth if it were sick never fails to amaze me... I'd say people like you are waste of resources....
to those without sight but how does giving sighted students a better tool hurt the non-sighted ones? Should we maybe stop teaching verbally because some are deaf? Let's really level the playing field and just stop teaching altogether...
They just gave it to a guy for NOT being George Bush!! Linus isn't George Bush, why shouldn't he get one too? Hell, put 'em on a roll and we can all wipe our asses with them for all they're worth...
He'd say he didn't commit suicide but had an accident with cyanide he used in his hobby, metal plating. That sounds like a bad joke but that's the position his family and friends have taken for years. Prior to his death he had no depression a was actually looking forward to a new project he was just starting.
But, of course, gays are so weak and simple we have to assume the worst ya know....
Everybody hates the US but by God they'll sell their grandma for a Visa to come here. Stay home and make it better there and quit bitching about what the US is or isn't doing for you. YOU OWE US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!
"Europe (especially Eastern Europe), China, South Africa and Australia"..."The next to bottom I find to be American programmers - they tend to be pretty low on the technical scale (my suspicion being that the US education system is not very good)"
Well in my experience (25 years of it...) I put the Chinese at the extreme bottom (just below Indians) and Europeans (with eastern Europe not even on the map) just above the Chinese. Most of these cultures are too arrogant to work in groups larger than 1 and those that will seem to need to have their hand held at every corner or they get totally lost. There are exceptions to every rule but that seems typical. African CS folks seem to do a pretty decent job but both of them are currently employed. The only Australian's I've worked with seem to have a Wallaby fixation so I'd rather not comment.
As to the US education system, I would have to agree with you in the case of most of the countries you mention (since they all come here for their education). Since 95% of the technology you (and I) are using to post these messages was conceived, designed and implemented right here in the US I think the stupidity of your post is pretty clear.
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Is there no end to the level of control this government thinks it should impose on people of this country? The fact that this seems to be taken with humour rather than concern says a lot about the mentality of this audience. Wise up kiddies, Government's natural desire to intrude (gain power) combined with the monitoring and control capability that can be achieved with today's technology should scare the hell out of everyone. I would think the people that read a site like this would appreciate that more than most. Laugh stuff like this off and you can look forward to a future where you can't take a breath without the government having control over it.
People are leaving the field of Computer Science. Why would you spend 4 to 6 (or 7 for those of you who are slow...) years getting a BS or MS in CiS to sit in a cube like a damn secretary? In the same time you can get a degree in law, psychology, psychiatry many interesting fields that don't change every 3 to 6 months and throw you out the door when you make more than $100K or get over 45 years old. In fact some of those professions actually pay you more and you're even more sought after when you're older and wiser! CS eats it's elders!! CS is dying in the US and this is another reason why. Who wants a job that's no more respected than the 20 year old admin that's blowing the boss every afternoon.
I've been at this for 20 years and I make great money and sit in a nice office but I'm the exception not the rule. I tell anyone out there seeking career advice, stay out of Computer Science, It's a sucky career for the majority of people and as far as a career you can retire from? Forget about it! Don't believe me? How many 63 year old programmers work for your company? How many 63 year old accounts? Get it...
Ahahahahahahaha!! LMAO!! He cut 122 billion and added 3 Trillion! In my book adding 3 Trillion and cutting 122 billion still equals adding 2.78 Trillion...
Com'on! Name calling aside you Obamite's really need to pay more attention. By your logic it's ok to steal your Range Rover if I give you a Big Wheel back...
"(I consider the modern Republican party to be nothing more than a scam that seeks power for the explicit purpose of perverting the United States into some combination of theocracy and corporate plutocracy. I hold the Democrats in marginally less contempt; At least they generally offer the people a reacharound while they're screwing us)"
This being modded to 5: Insightful (!!) says more about the audience of this web page than words ever could. What a collection of idiot sheep that clearly spend more time reading Slashdot than actual history...
As to "The Master Control Pee", you're probably too busy trying to tune in "The View" and "Air America" to actually read and understand what's going on here. If you're still trying to hold Ronald Reagan and the Bush's (as if they had similar objectives and methods (NOT!!)) for the mess the current moronic air filled suit in the WH has made you're not only delusional but stupid. This is what happens when a newbee Senator that's done nothing to be elected president, beyond managing to be born brown, gets into office. The insanely stupid fascists in Congress keep the boy playing golf and bball and anything else that will keep him otherwise quiet and out of the way while they run the country. Stay tuned genius, I can't wait to use your money to pad my pocket!! "Nemo me impune lacessit". The American people will not tolerate much more of this. Our time is approaching....
"They're like the placebo"
Uhhhh no, Placebo's don't triple the national dept in less than 2 years without gaining the people the money was stolen from anything! A placebo is a treatment that has no REAL effect other than from the belief of the patient that it may work because they "believe" (hope and change??) it will work. Try that sometime when stepping in front of a fast moving car. Hope that it will Change direction and see how it works for ya... Yep, that's where we're all at. Standing in front of a fast moving vehicle Hoping it will Change. The Democrats aren't a placebo. They're a 12 gauge shotgun slug to the skull to fix a head ache. Feeling any better?
So where corrupt union officials failed the US Government has succeeded. Toss out the CEO and replace him with an Obamite, place key union officials in charge of corporate finances (paying them off with stolen tax money before REAL investors) and force the company to ramp up production of a vehicle whose time (and technology) has not yet come whose market is as imaginary as the Hollywood image that's been created.
The destruction of an auto mobile company 1, 2, 3. Henry Ford should have been so effective...
Mazda isn't managed by the US government so I'm sure they'll do a better job than the Government Motors Corp.... Unless his highness obama wants to take over Japan.....
Which would be totally awesome but I've always wondered about the danger of this causing problems. I mean, the chances of hitting something are fairly small, but still .... hit an aircraft and now you're endangering lives (not to mention in VERY DEEP S**T). And who knows who might pick the thing up on radar and again, you're in trouble.
Still, it wouldn't be that technically difficult to do....
What you're looking at is a Wiki entry and, even if we assume it's correct (ha!!) it only covers the last 50 years. That's an infinitesimally small period of time given the life time of earth (or even human existence on earth. What were the levels 100 years ago? 200? 1000? Don't know? That's right. No one was measuring them at that time. Certainly not in a way that can be summed up. The other problem is where are these readings taken from? North pole? South pole? All over the world and averaged? Median? That's my argument that this isn't a science at all. It's a religion that makes it extremely difficult to cull the noise from the legitimate data. For all we know carbon goes up and down on a 1000 year cycle that's peaking right now.
Actually there have been measurements taken from ice cores that "seem" to indicate just that (not 1000 years but 27000 years).
A wiki entry does not legitimate data make and it's certainly not the whole story.
Ha. So attacking the science is the wrong approach? Yeah, you're a bright one!
Better get that tin foil hat back on smart one, you're brain (such as it is...) appears to be leaking out.
Now if only there was any evidence WHATSOEVER that carbon IS increasing OR that increased carbon in the atmosphere is a bad thing!! Yeah, turn that little knob and see if things get better.... OOPS! The whole system is screwed up? Just turn it back right?
The problem here is that we don't understand the environment or our atmosphere nearly as well as a lot of scientists seeking funding for these studies would like you to think. Trying to make changes to the natural environment can cause just as many problems as it helps and that's assuming it helps AT ALL. Someday we may understand things enough to know what and how to affect change but that's certainly not today. To say it's an emergency (and ALL data says NOT!!) and we have to do something, anything!! is just stupid. Step one is having models that are reliable, step two is to be 100% certain that what's happening will have a negative enough impact to justify intervention.
On the models thing I keep reading about how they're getting better and better and yet we still can't predict weather day to day. How good can our models be when the path of a hurricane or the formation of a tornado or what the temperature will be tomorrow is virtually unpredictable. Oh yeah, we have a probability maps but keep in mind that most environmentalists are trying to claim they can predict an increase in global temperature of less than 1 degree in 100 years. It's not valid science and those trying to claim it is are just looking for money.
If you want to see what happens when we try to step in and HELP nature read about the history of Yellowstone National Park. We're very lucky it's still there for all the HELP we've given it....
Kinda sad. I thought it had so much promise initially and a lot of money has been thrown at it. But as someone in a previous thread was saying, iBiquity is trying to milk every little thing they can and it's clearly not going to work. Most stations will "just say no" and never miss a thing. From what I'm seeing over the last year I think HD-R may be effectively dead. Little bit like the early Apple story (without the happy ending). Too greedy too soon and the technology dies on the vine for lack of adoption.
And there's a damn good reason to maintain an analog system of broadcast... inexpensive, plentiful, ubiquitous radio's that can be used for communicating with the population should something terrible happen. Like a Marxist regime in the White House, Oh wait....
"I don't know hard core Computer Science topics like Recursion Theory, and I never spent years earning a PhD to obtain a truly informed opinion"
I did and I do. Now listen carefully, the conclusion that the globe is undergoing a warming trend is extremely debatable. There is (at least) as much evidence of just the opposite. The evidence that alleged warming is due to ANYTHING humanity has done to the environment is laughable and transparently biased toward those with a particular research and political agenda.
No go look at the data for yourself. You don't need a PhD (just an open and analytically critical mind) to understand that this is a political issue, not an environmental one.
I agree with you. Sadly we lost interest before the industrial possibilities became viable.
Considering how good we are at propagandising just about anything it kills me that NASA can make EXPLORING MARS(!!) about as interesting as watching paint peal. I grew up eating this stuff up and now, with technology that makes what I grew up with look like stone knives and bearskins, my kids have no interest whatsoever. Zero. Couldn't care less.
My one hope is that the corporate crowd that's starting to take hold of this (Burt Rutan, Richard Branson) will carry it through. They both seem to have a real passion for making it happen (instead of just the profit motive) and they seem to have a real business plan to make it a self sustaining and growing concern. It's a better model than a government agency doing it with tax dollars. I just miss the old days when space exploration was treated with reverence rather than as a less worthy competition to "Planned Parenthood" (for heavens sake!!).
You need to read a few more of the proposals and projects that were put forth at that time. Utilization of the metals and water available in the asteroid belt (between Mars and Jupiter) could be hugely profitable. Having the opportunity to perfect the process of creating a totally closed environment as would be needed on a moon base would be incredibly useful. Perfecting/optimizing the technology to go to and from high orbit and get back and forth from the moon. These are things that would grow huge industries, provide 100's of thousands (if not millions) of GOOD jobs that require education and sophistication (rather than a shovel). It would change the people and the economy of the US and probably the world as Apollo did for decades. Apollo did for the peace time economy what post WWII did. The technology side effects were incalculable.
The statement "there's nothing we need within reach" is almost laughable naive. There's plenty that we could use within easy reach if we were to devote more effort and money to opening up those horizons. This as opposed to say, paying for the lazy and stupid to continue to be so to provide votes for the criminally political. It's all a matter of priority. Do you want to support the lazy and stupid or contribute to the greater things man can achieve? The stupid and lazy will always be among us. The great and noble shine through only occasionally and the opportunity for them to do so is worth the investment. There are certainly places for exploration on earth. I'm talking about moving mankind forward, not just exploration.
"Why do the ignorant or unthinking want to deny such wonders and enrichment to our children and grandchildren"
I think the question contains the answer. The ignorant and unthinking don't value that type of enrichment. Having watched the moon landing as a kid and both shuttle disasters it sounds like we have similar feelings about the space program. The most shocking thing to me is that the shuttle, whose first landing was made with I was starting college, is still our only manned launch vehicle (to speak of...) almost 30 years later. That still boggles my mind...
Considering Warner Von Braun was describing trips to Mars and moon bases in the 60's (with existing engineering technology) I'm amazed at our sad lack of progress in space exploration
Yeah, we'll suffocate... or was it freeze? or was it fry....? I better ask Al Gore and see what the head moron is condemning us to pay for now. The arrogance of the green crowd to think we could fix the Earth if it were sick never fails to amaze me... I'd say people like you are waste of resources....
to those without sight but how does giving sighted students a better tool hurt the non-sighted ones? Should we maybe stop teaching verbally because some are deaf? Let's really level the playing field and just stop teaching altogether...
They just gave it to a guy for NOT being George Bush!! Linus isn't George Bush, why shouldn't he get one too? Hell, put 'em on a roll and we can all wipe our asses with them for all they're worth...
I've been running 11 for a few months now and it's .... ok....
"Palin's blog"
Seriously man (or whatever), get a life.
He'd say he didn't commit suicide but had an accident with cyanide he used in his hobby, metal plating. That sounds like a bad joke but that's the position his family and friends have taken for years. Prior to his death he had no depression a was actually looking forward to a new project he was just starting.
But, of course, gays are so weak and simple we have to assume the worst ya know....
No! Stay in your own damn country!!
Everybody hates the US but by God they'll sell their grandma for a Visa to come here. Stay home and make it better there and quit bitching about what the US is or isn't doing for you. YOU OWE US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!
"Europe (especially Eastern Europe), China, South Africa and Australia"..."The next to bottom I find to be American programmers - they tend to be pretty low on the technical scale (my suspicion being that the US education system is not very good)"
Well in my experience (25 years of it...) I put the Chinese at the extreme bottom (just below Indians) and Europeans (with eastern Europe not even on the map) just above the Chinese. Most of these cultures are too arrogant to work in groups larger than 1 and those that will seem to need to have their hand held at every corner or they get totally lost. There are exceptions to every rule but that seems typical. African CS folks seem to do a pretty decent job but both of them are currently employed. The only Australian's I've worked with seem to have a Wallaby fixation so I'd rather not comment.
As to the US education system, I would have to agree with you in the case of most of the countries you mention (since they all come here for their education). Since 95% of the technology you (and I) are using to post these messages was conceived, designed and implemented right here in the US I think the stupidity of your post is pretty clear.