What bothers me to no end about this argument as that its quite clear to me that as far as logic is concerned, current computers are already conscious to an extent. But people maintain this feeling, and it is nothing more than a feeling, in the back of their minds, that they are something more than a deterministic system. People are still Cartesian Dualists at heart, whether they will admit it or not.
Meh. If you become angry, there was some external stimulus that caused you to become angry. This is not you changing your own lookup table. It is still being changed by something outside of your body. What bothers me to no end about this argument as that its quite clear to me that as far as logic is concerned, current computers are already conscious to an extent. But people maintain this feeling, and it is nothing more than a feeling, in the back of their minds, that they are something more than a deterministic system. People are still Cartesian Dualists at heart, whether they will admit it or not.
There is a world of difference between programming something to *act* as though it has emotions, and something actually having an emotional or original response. The former is no different to calculating a spreadsheet, the latter has to do with independent and original experiences and actions - implying intelligence and self-awareness.
Oh, really? Well as far as I can tell, you only act as if you are conscious. I can be no more sure that you are than that a computer is. I have nothing to go on accept what I can view objectivly. I have no knowledge of your internal perspective. Would you claim that you are not also controlled by detirministic laws? It is quite clear that however complex, your brain still follows the laws of physics, just as a computer does. If you are trying to draw a line based on complexity, then you are drawing a line that is competly arbitrary. Who is to say at what level of complexity something is conscious? You, therefore, must either give everything consciousness or give nothing consciousness. Since I assume that you believe yourself to be conscious, you must then believe that everthing is. Unless, of course, you are a solipsist.
How can you decide what is self-aware and what is not? You say that it is 100 years of so you must have some marking point that allows you decide. What will be different in 100 years? If you distinction is purely based on complexity it is arbitrary. If it is arbitrary than you must either say that everything is self aware or nothing is. If you believe yourself to be than you must believe a computer to be. Unless, of course, you are solipsist.
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Actually yes I have, and it makes you realize how incredibly insightful the movie is. I love the line "If the good lord had wanted us to walk, he wouldn't have invented roller skates." That is almost like a zen koan.
One would hope so, but in my AP European History class, at a high school in a reletivly affluent suburb, I have read some of the essays people write and alot of them are extremly painful to read. Much of the time it comes from people trying to sound smart by using big words they don't understand. AP students have big egos.
oooooo sex, masterbation. SCARY. POISENING CHILDREN. Come on! Babies suck on their mothers tits...did you know that? Isn't that indecent? Shouldn't somebody put a stop to it? What kind of crazy organism has a taboo against its own form of reproduction. How could such a thing possibly evolve. Maybe groups like the PTC will slowly leave the gene pool.
I am reading a book by Daniel Dennett in which he takls about how a bigger factor for human beings in todays world is the evolution of memes, not so much genes. Clearly if HIV can be cured thats a great advance in meme evolution.
No because a dictatorship that calls itself a democracy (like Iraq before the war) is still a dictatorship. It doesn't change a thing to call it a democracy.
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT THEY ARE CALLED? I mean really, how does that matter AT ALL? China calls themselves a republic. It doesn't mean jack shit. If all you are concerned about it semantics I think you need to get a life.
Well its good to hear that what a group is fighting for has nothing to do with whether they are terrorists or not...because I always suspsected the United States government was a terrorist organization.
Workers party or not, is it really worth sending someone to prison over a dispute over language? What if I called Hamas a social services organization (which they are, besidess be a terrorist one), would that be something to send me to prison over? Besides I think the part (but definatly not all) of what you here about the PKK is propoganda from the Turkish Government. There has long been serious tention between the turks and the kurds.
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What bothers me to no end about this argument as that its quite clear to me that as far as logic is concerned, current computers are already conscious to an extent. But people maintain this feeling, and it is nothing more than a feeling, in the back of their minds, that they are something more than a deterministic system. People are still Cartesian Dualists at heart, whether they will admit it or not.
Meh. If you become angry, there was some external stimulus that caused you to become angry. This is not you changing your own lookup table. It is still being changed by something outside of your body. What bothers me to no end about this argument as that its quite clear to me that as far as logic is concerned, current computers are already conscious to an extent. But people maintain this feeling, and it is nothing more than a feeling, in the back of their minds, that they are something more than a deterministic system. People are still Cartesian Dualists at heart, whether they will admit it or not.
There is a world of difference between programming something to *act* as though it has emotions, and something actually having an emotional or original response. The former is no different to calculating a spreadsheet, the latter has to do with independent and original experiences and actions - implying intelligence and self-awareness.
Oh, really? Well as far as I can tell, you only act as if you are conscious. I can be no more sure that you are than that a computer is. I have nothing to go on accept what I can view objectivly. I have no knowledge of your internal perspective. Would you claim that you are not also controlled by detirministic laws? It is quite clear that however complex, your brain still follows the laws of physics, just as a computer does. If you are trying to draw a line based on complexity, then you are drawing a line that is competly arbitrary. Who is to say at what level of complexity something is conscious? You, therefore, must either give everything consciousness or give nothing consciousness. Since I assume that you believe yourself to be conscious, you must then believe that everthing is. Unless, of course, you are a solipsist.
How can you decide what is self-aware and what is not? You say that it is 100 years of so you must have some marking point that allows you decide. What will be different in 100 years? If you distinction is purely based on complexity it is arbitrary. If it is arbitrary than you must either say that everything is self aware or nothing is. If you believe yourself to be than you must believe a computer to be. Unless, of course, you are solipsist.
My favorite is their response to Dreamworks:
As you may or may not be aware, Sweden is not a state in the United States
of America. Sweden is a country in northern Europe.
Unless you figured it out by now, US law does not apply here.
For your information, no Swedish law is being violated.
Please be assured that any further contact with us, regardless of medium,
will result in
a) a suit being filed for harassment
b) a formal complaint lodged with the bar of your legal counsel, for
sending frivolous legal threats.
It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are fucking morons, and
that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.
Please also note that your e-mail and letter will be published in full on
http://www.thepiratebay.org.
Go fuck yourself.
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Actually yes I have, and it makes you realize how incredibly insightful the movie is. I love the line "If the good lord had wanted us to walk, he wouldn't have invented roller skates." That is almost like a zen koan.
I did that intentionally on the last post.
No thats ok. ;)
I just KNEW somebody would catch something in their to correct. It was unavoidable under the circumstances.
One would hope so, but in my AP European History class, at a high school in a reletivly affluent suburb, I have read some of the essays people write and alot of them are extremly painful to read. Much of the time it comes from people trying to sound smart by using big words they don't understand. AP students have big egos.
oooooo sex, masterbation. SCARY. POISENING CHILDREN. Come on! Babies suck on their mothers tits...did you know that? Isn't that indecent? Shouldn't somebody put a stop to it? What kind of crazy organism has a taboo against its own form of reproduction. How could such a thing possibly evolve. Maybe groups like the PTC will slowly leave the gene pool.
They rate "Trading Spouses" as "Family-friendly show promoting responsible themes and traditional values."
I filed a complaint through their site against American Idol because its a "shitty show." and "supported by the PTC."
An obvious riff on "If god had intended us to walk, he wouldn't have invented roller skates" from willy wonka. Such a great movie.
I certainly do. There is plenty of research to support human beings vengeful.
Its just simple logic. I may speculate that A + B = C and that therefore B + A = C but its still certainly true.
Those are the foreign fighters that are doing that mostly. The majority of the insurgency is iraqis, and they are simply fighting a gaurilla war.
I am reading a book by Daniel Dennett in which he takls about how a bigger factor for human beings in todays world is the evolution of memes, not so much genes. Clearly if HIV can be cured thats a great advance in meme evolution.
No because a dictatorship that calls itself a democracy (like Iraq before the war) is still a dictatorship. It doesn't change a thing to call it a democracy.
You can post this over and over again but it still doesn't make it right to send someone to jail who uses the wrong word in your opinion.
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT THEY ARE CALLED? I mean really, how does that matter AT ALL? China calls themselves a republic. It doesn't mean jack shit. If all you are concerned about it semantics I think you need to get a life.
Well its good to hear that what a group is fighting for has nothing to do with whether they are terrorists or not...because I always suspsected the United States government was a terrorist organization.
If I am an ideologue for not wanting people to go to prison for simply calling an organization by a certain name, then I am happy to be an ideologue.
Workers party or not, is it really worth sending someone to prison over a dispute over language? What if I called Hamas a social services organization (which they are, besidess be a terrorist one), would that be something to send me to prison over? Besides I think the part (but definatly not all) of what you here about the PKK is propoganda from the Turkish Government. There has long been serious tention between the turks and the kurds.