I played an early version of Don's work years ago. You mention slowness. The game plays fine - remember, you are on a low powered laptop. Performance issues are going to be quite different. Games similar to Halo, etc. are unlikely to be possible. I suspect that the frames per second rate on the laptop are going to be very low.
Too bad the people behind the laptop project didn't realize that, had they used the large amount of tcl/tk code available, they would have had quite a lot more power for a lot less disk space.
For some people, organization may be a talent (that is, something that they are born able to do well), but for many, it is a skill (something that they've gained proficiency over by training and experience).
> Shipping with 2xSODIMMS? (meaning your tossing out both)
> The intel chipset used needs paired RAM chips for reasonable performance.
What's interesting about that is that Apple's detailed spec comparison shows that the macbook pros all use single so-dimm's - so perhaps performance will be better on the macbook babies?
Anyone know _where_ Google made this statement? There was no attribution as to who said google was avoiding news.com, when, etc. Did something show up in the google blog or something?
Seems silly to get all worked up until there's evidence to show the statement is true.
If you check out the walmart site, you will see that they have other models (higher priced ones at least - I didn't look to see if there were similarly priced ones) that come with Windows XP Home on them. So it isn't that they didn't want to pay for the license - they already are paying for the license.
Sun talked Walmart into selling them - in the same manner as Lindows was cutting such deals (and perhaps still are) with various chains.
> a Tivo style device with a DVDR in it with the ability to move recording to DVD would be the best of both worlds
That's probably why Pansonic has at least one such device for sale. I suspect that other companies also have them, or are scrambling to get them out...
>If they want to charge $X for a price of a product and allow no discounts, that's their perrogative. If people don't like the price, they buy something else.
---- The main problem I have with that is the remark made earlier in this thread by someone who works for an Apple store. He mentioned that stores are threatened with loss of Apple official status if they sell below the suggested retail price.
_That's_ the only thing to which I object. Apple should be allowed to sell at the price they wish. But if someone wants to sell the item cheaper - even at a loss - then so be it...
I just tried the link above and it is no longer valid (well, it's been nearly a week - can't still call it news, now can we...)
Anyone have a pointer to an archive version of the article? Their search engine left much to be desired (32 pages of links referencing hitchhiker guide galaxy)
Are there any of these sorts of games for Linux users? Anyone running something like this at a pretty low cost - most of the ones for the PC seem to want to charge $10 or more a month, which is more than I can swing for an occasional online gaming experience.
Sometimes I long for a way that things were such that companies had to assume legal responsibility for their products working correctly, rather than getting away with covering themselves with weasly disclaimers.
Perhaps if companies had to face more responsibilities for their products - whether computer software or dvd/cd player 'software', then perhaps they would not be so quick to rush off and jail people in situations like this.
Instead, because of their better financial situation, they can bully their customers, who increasingly have fewer and fewer avenues of response.
> What's even worse is that some of the flaws were > pointed out nearly two years ago, but despite the > hype about open-source products being quicker > with security fixes, some of the protocols still > haven't been fixed.'
The potential for fixes is there in the open source community - but someone has to care enough about the product and the fix to actually work on it. Take a look at the bug database for some of the large bodies of software. Typically there will be quite a significant body of defect/bug reports . The projects I have seen have the defects broken down into the majority awaiting classification, then a lot of closed reports (either due to the problem being fixed, non-repeatable, or wrong/incomplete) and the rest awaiting someone interested or bored enough to deal with them.
Doesn't seem to matter whether the software is commercially supported or open sourced. I recall a time when one popular workstation vendor shipped a version of the sort command which turned lines longer than a 1000 or 2000 bytes into two or more lines. After repeatedly having the bug reported to them, they 'fixed' things by documenting in the man page this behavior...
Note that the fix for the problem had been available in the open source community since near the first report...
Over the weekend, my work id received over 420 messages as a result of these worms. Each one was over 140k - the spam by itself was 58 meg. That's besides all the normal spam I get.
People who are stuck using yahoo, hotmail, and the other free mail accounts with 4, 6, 10 or whatever meg limits are finding that they no longer are able to get legit mail due to the swamping of mail boxes by this trash.
There have been efforts, over the years, to address some of the issues. I just saw a special on G4 TV recently relating to intellivison - there actually is an owner to most of the mattel created games and they sell msdos and macos based emulators to play those games.
And back a half dozen or more yrs ago, some of the non pirates in the Apple II community did research to locate copyright holders of a variety of games to try to get rights to distribute them.
A friend who used to work at IBM dropped by to show me an article from Monday's New York Times about the SCO/IBM mess.
During our talk about it, he mentioned that ATT had, back when they were in the picture, actually taken BSD code, stripped off the Berkeley copyrights, and put it into System V. This came to light during the lawsuit that ATT filed against the FreeBSD project, causing ATT to lose the suit.
So, perhaps it is possible that the code that SCO is screaming about isn't even System V's to begin with?
Re: but I think the object system and drag-and-drop should be.
And either or both of these _can be_ - once someone steps up to the plate to do the work to get them integrated, etc.
Lots of people ask for lots of things in Tcl. Until someone sees it important enough to do the work, the requests sit on a list, or in an email, or a usenet posting, or whatever.
Are there really people extending desktop or server applications to use javascript?
I'd really be interested in reading more about this. When I read javascript code, I find it rather gruesome. However, the only javascript I've ever seen used was on web pages.
While using Tcl as a web page language is possible, it requires the user to download and install a plugin; that makes it less desirable to many people for extranet/internet applications.
For intranet, one can make it easier by pre-installing the plugin on the various in-house desktops.
Contact the Tclkit support team (http://www.equi4.com/tclkit/)- I seem to remember reading that someone there has worked out the sourceforge compile farm details for building software on quite a few platforms.
I'd like to find something like this - where as I browse across a web page I could active a program that would look at the page, and suggest a series of folders that appear to be relevant. If I agree, I click okay and go on. If I think a category is unnecessary, or missing, I would have the option of adding a category.
I see this as a parallel need to the mining of the email.
1. A new Poke'mon series, based on the newly release Gold and Silver, is being prepared. And look how long Star Trek - with many less episodes - has run. Same thing for many other short lived series - animated or live. 2. Rock and Roll has also been reported as a tool of the devil - it keeps going and going. 3. Furbies sold quite well this Christmas. 4. Pagers and cell phones have also been banned - but that trend doesn't appear to be going away. 5. The wrongful death suit was filed against Burger King and the company that manufactured the poke balls. Pokemon isn't an entity so it cannot be filed against. I don't believe that Game Freak and Nintendo (the owners of the license) or 4Kids (the US coordinator of the license) were included in the suit. 6. I agree the cartoon is played a lot. Interestingly enough, it is still out performing its competitors. As long as that is the case, WB will play it. Once it slows down, something else will go in there. Note that Fox still runs Power Rangers and their numbers have been low for years. 7. The movie was no failure - just because someone doesn't do as well as another item doesn't make it a failure. As long as the money invested returns significantly more than was invested, it was a success. In this case, the Pokemon movie was a success already - and the videos, etc. are not out yet. 8. Spoofing is proof that they are here to stay.
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I played an early version of Don's work years ago. You mention slowness. The game plays fine - remember, you are on a low powered laptop. Performance issues are going to be quite different. Games similar to Halo, etc. are unlikely to be possible. I suspect that the frames per second rate on the laptop are going to be very low.
Too bad the people behind the laptop project didn't realize that, had they used the large amount of tcl/tk code available, they would have had quite a lot more power for a lot less disk space.
For some people, organization may be a talent (that is, something that they are born able to do well), but for many, it is a skill (something that they've gained proficiency over by training and experience).
sounds better than Windows, in any case.
Let's see - cheaper than Windows. As much doc as Windows. As long as the interface works as well, or better, than Windows, seems like a win to me.
> Shipping with 2xSODIMMS? (meaning your tossing out both)
> The intel chipset used needs paired RAM chips for reasonable performance.
What's interesting about that is that Apple's detailed spec comparison shows that the macbook pros all use single so-dimm's - so perhaps performance will be better on the macbook babies?
Anyone know _where_ Google made this statement?
There was no attribution as to who said google was avoiding news.com, when, etc. Did something show up in the google blog or something?
Seems silly to get all worked up until there's evidence to show the statement is true.
If you check out the walmart site, you will see that they have other models (higher priced ones at least - I didn't look to see if there were similarly priced ones) that come with Windows XP Home on them. So it isn't that they didn't want to pay for the license - they already are paying for the license.
Sun talked Walmart into selling them - in the same manner as Lindows was cutting such deals (and perhaps still are) with various chains.
> a Tivo style device with a DVDR in it with the ability to move recording to DVD would be the best of both worlds
That's probably why Pansonic has at least one such device for sale. I suspect that other companies also have them, or are scrambling to get them out...
>If they want to charge $X for a price of a product and allow no discounts, that's their perrogative. If people don't like the price, they buy something else.
----
The main problem I have with that is the remark made earlier in this thread by someone who works for an Apple store. He mentioned that stores are threatened with loss of Apple official status if they sell below the suggested retail price.
_That's_ the only thing to which I object. Apple should be allowed to sell at the price they wish.
But if someone wants to sell the item cheaper - even at a loss - then so be it...
Do they think somehow that dragging the brightest brains in open source is going to somehow make _their_ case stronger?
I'd say it is a move that will sink what little case they had.
What does Novel's purchase of Suse have to do with free software - Suse was a commercial distribution.
If Novel had bought one or more of the free distributions, that would be different.
I just tried the link above and it is no longer
valid (well, it's been nearly a week - can't still call it news, now can we...)
Anyone have a pointer to an archive version of the article? Their search engine left much to be desired (32 pages of links referencing hitchhiker guide galaxy)
Are there any of these sorts of games for Linux users? Anyone running something like this at
a pretty low cost - most of the ones for the PC seem to want to charge $10 or more a month, which is more than I can swing for an occasional online
gaming experience.
Sometimes I long for a way that things were such that companies had to assume legal responsibility for their products working correctly, rather than getting away with covering themselves with weasly disclaimers .
Perhaps if companies had to face more responsibilities for their products - whether computer software or dvd/cd player 'software', then perhaps they would not be so quick to rush off and jail people in situations like this.
Instead, because of their better financial situation, they can bully their customers, who increasingly have fewer and fewer avenues of response.
> What's even worse is that some of the flaws were > pointed out nearly two years ago, but despite the > hype about open-source products being quicker
> with security fixes, some of the protocols still
> haven't been fixed.'
The potential for fixes is there in the open source community - but someone has to care enough about the product and the fix to actually work on it.
Take a look at the bug database for some of the large bodies of software. Typically there will be quite a significant body of defect/bug reports . The projects I have seen have the defects broken down into the majority awaiting classification, then a lot of closed reports (either due to the problem being fixed, non-repeatable, or wrong/incomplete) and the rest awaiting someone interested or bored enough to deal with them.
Doesn't seem to matter whether the software is commercially supported or open sourced. I recall a time when one popular workstation vendor shipped a version of the sort command which turned lines longer than a 1000 or 2000 bytes into two or more lines. After repeatedly having the bug reported to them, they 'fixed' things by documenting in the man page this behavior...
Note that the fix for the problem had been available in the open source community since near the first report...
Over the weekend, my work id received over 420 messages as a result of these worms. Each one was over 140k - the spam by itself was 58 meg. That's besides all the normal spam I get.
People who are stuck using yahoo, hotmail, and the other free mail accounts with 4, 6, 10 or whatever meg limits are finding that they no longer are able to get legit mail due to the swamping of mail boxes by this trash.
If 41 million users registered - how many people who have phones have not registered?
There have been efforts, over the years, to address some of the issues. I just saw a special on G4 TV recently relating to intellivison - there actually is an owner to most of the mattel created games and they sell msdos and macos based emulators to play those games.
And back a half dozen or more yrs ago, some of the non pirates in the Apple II community did research to locate copyright holders of a variety of games to try to get rights to distribute them.
But it is a lot of work.
A friend who used to work at IBM dropped by to show me an article from Monday's New York Times about the SCO/IBM mess.
During our talk about it, he mentioned that ATT had, back when they were in the picture, actually taken BSD code, stripped off the Berkeley copyrights, and put it into System V. This came to light during the lawsuit that ATT filed against the FreeBSD project, causing ATT to lose the suit.
So, perhaps it is possible that the code that SCO is screaming about isn't even System V's to begin with?
Re: but I think the object system and drag-and-drop should be.
And either or both of these _can be_ - once someone steps up to the plate to do the work to get them integrated, etc.
Lots of people ask for lots of things in Tcl.
Until someone sees it important enough to do the work, the requests sit on a list, or in an email, or a usenet posting, or whatever.
Are there really people extending desktop or server applications to use javascript?
I'd really be interested in reading more about this. When I read javascript code, I find it rather gruesome. However, the only javascript I've ever seen used was on web pages.
While using Tcl as a web page language is possible, it requires the user to download and install a plugin; that makes it less desirable to many people for extranet/internet applications.
For intranet, one can make it easier by pre-installing the plugin on the various in-house desktops.
Are you referring to TiK http://tik.sf.net/ ?
Contact the Tclkit support team (http://www.equi4.com/tclkit/)- I seem to remember reading that someone there has worked out the sourceforge compile farm details for building software on quite a few platforms.
I'd like to find something like this - where
as I browse across a web page I could active
a program that would look at the page, and suggest a series of folders that appear to be relevant.
If I agree, I click okay and go on. If I think a category is unnecessary, or missing, I would
have the option of adding a category.
I see this as a parallel need to the mining
of the email.
After mentioning how cute the boothies were, I was shocked to see that the two links are only to the tired propaganda of the sleeping Seattle giant.
Doesn't anyone have a digital snapshot of the people handing this brochure out?
1. A new Poke'mon series, based on the newly release Gold and Silver, is being prepared.
And look how long Star Trek - with many less episodes - has run. Same thing for many other short lived series - animated or live.
2. Rock and Roll has also been reported as a tool of the devil - it keeps going and going.
3. Furbies sold quite well this Christmas.
4. Pagers and cell phones have also been banned - but that trend doesn't appear to be going away.
5. The wrongful death suit was filed against Burger King and the company that manufactured the poke balls. Pokemon isn't an entity so it cannot be filed against. I don't believe that Game Freak and Nintendo (the owners of the license) or 4Kids (the US coordinator of the license) were included in the suit.
6. I agree the cartoon is played a lot. Interestingly enough, it is still out performing its competitors. As long as that is the case, WB will play it. Once it slows down, something else will go in there. Note that Fox still runs Power Rangers and their numbers have been low for years.
7. The movie was no failure - just because someone doesn't do as well as another item doesn't make it a failure. As long as the money invested returns significantly more than was invested, it was a success. In this case, the Pokemon movie was a success already - and the videos, etc. are not out yet.
8. Spoofing is proof that they are here to stay.