If your experience is true, then that really is unfortunate. Before you complain too much, however, please fill in the blank in the statement above. If the number you provide is 1, please STFU. Especially with that "tsk, tsk, shame" stuff.
If you did help with debugging, then >I'll STFU.:-)
The Dallas Morning News article alluded to a Wednesday release... I was rebuilding a box on monday, but held off til today for Gnome, fingers crossed. Yay!:-)
"Embrace, extend, and smother," anyone? You want to talk about standards mutilation, and 90% of the "MS-Linux" users wouldn't know the difference, or care.
I'm afraid that they COULD hijack it, if they wanted to. Except that I get the sense that many vendors are supporting Linux to spite M$ a bit, and if they hold to the standards, to the degree that their apps don't work on "MS-Linux"... well, that'd be an interesting situation.
As much as I love Gnome (I've been playing with it since 0.1x) I really wonder if it's ready for release. I think it's close, and getting better all the time. But there are still some freaky things on my box (maybe it's just my setup).
Things like "Help" buttons which have no effect make me wish that they'd wait just a little longer to release this thing. The session management is generally cool, but it hasn't been working for me 100%. For example, gnome-session seems to freak out when I try to change window managers. Anyone know the correct way to do this?
Hopefully I've just got accumulated cruft that's messing up my install - have others had better success?
Don't get me wrong - I think Gnome rocks, and I think the development team has done a wonderful job. I just wonder if a formal 1.0 release is a few weeks premature.
And one other small beef - I don't like the way gnome-session defaults to enlightenment, and the way the gnome pager suggests that you use enlightenment... smacks just a bit of IE4 "bundling" to me:-)
I'm just curious - why the animosity towards Red Hat? I've never really understood... What makes it fruity and umbrella-laden? The addition of GUI interfaces? Is that such a bad thing?
I mean, all of the distributions are just that, right? Distributions of 100s of independent packages. Init scripts may differ, some of the directory structure, perhaps... but at the end of the day, what is really so different? Especially after you start customizing your favorite distro to behave the way you want it to behave?
I'd be interested in some un-emotional, fact-based insight into why people believe that one distro is superior to another.
... the guy with the hotmail email address saying how much Linux sucks. I thought Hotmail was running on Linux... at least before Micro$oft bought it? Maybe not. Anyone know?
The posts are still there. I don't really care if they're AC or not. The site is edited, and you can change the degree of editing you'd like to (not) see. If a user doesn't change their threshold, or if they don't know that the threshold exists, then they should educate themselves about how/. works.
Editing != censorship. Rob doesn't post every submission he gets. Nor does he bless every comment with a score of 2. It's the way it works, and if you want to see EVERY post, you can. Generally, I don't.
If a library puts books on the top shelf and you have to get a stepladder to get to them, do you cry censorship? It's all still there, and Rob's system is a good compromise between those who want to ban the ACs and those who believe that this would be an affront to free speech. If you want to see more AC stuff, set your threshold down. If you don't, crank it up. It's YOUR choice, and it's not censorship, IMHO.
I just don't get it - it seems like meddling by lawyers who really don't understand what this is all about.
If Microsoft engages in non-competitive practices, (and I personally believe that they do)- fine. Prosecute them with the existing laws that suffice for other industries.
What's all this noise about how long it takes to connect to the Internet, browser bundling, licensing source code, no new features... It just seems like they're making this up as they go along! It makes me nervous. "Can't add new features to the OS" - what a ridiculous thing to dictate. (Granted, if they just got the bugs out of the existing features, it'd be a good thing) but WHY would the DOJ stipulate that as a solution to a monopoly?
Fine 'em, break 'em up, whatever, but don't micro-manage what they can and can't code. Just seems like a ridiculous solution, to me. Why not simply enforce the monopoly laws? Oh well, IANAL.
The TNT has been supported since XFree86 version 3.3.3. It was written and donated by Nvidia for your x-windowing pleasure. It's not yet included in a RedHat distribution, but it is available on rawhide.redhat.com in RPM packages.
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Check out www.sugarmegs.org. Some good shows - they fill a CDR quite nicely
THe ftp.circ.us.eu.org mirror has them. The RPM version numbers are slightly different from the tarballs, but several of them are 0.99.7 (and not all of the tarballs are at 0.99.7 yet)
Some of this is true. At some point, Intel will mark chips at their maximum "tested" speed.
But think about it.. after Intel gets to 0.25 micron, and they're making Xeons and PIIIs... do you REALLY think that they're still having trouble getting Celerons to be stable at 300?
Part of the reason they make different speeds at different prices is just that - they need multiple price points. It's marketing. Far enough into production of a chip, odds are most EVERYTHING runs at top speed, but they mark it "300" because they need something they can sell for under $100.
I'm also curious to know how someone will find out I overclocked a machine... sheesh.
So do you like working for Intel? How long have you been there?:)
You can't IMAGINE how happy I was to hear that you had finally run Linux. I had tired a bit of hearing about how your WEREN'T running Linux over the past 2 months.:-)
I'm looking forward to hearing more about your experiences with this thing - now that you're finally up and running, I think the community can learn a lot from your trials and tribulations...
My brother-in-law bought a Digital laptop, and promptly wiped the harddrive to install Linux (he didn't pursue any refund)
He's a Linux newbie, so it was slow going, and I helped him get stuff set up, recompiled the kernel to support APM, etc.
This thing came with a Winmodem, but there's an option to get a NIC+Modem combo. But, to get it, you have to send it back to the factory for installation (because the jacks are integrated into the back of the laptop, which is kinda nice.)
So, he decided to cough up the $300 or so to have it installed, and sent it to be serviced.
When it was returned, his hard drive was wiped out, and a fresh install of NT was on it.
He just said "oh well" and started re-installing Linux, but I would have raised hell!
Is this standard practice for factory service? Why would they need to wipe the hard drive to install a NIC? I suppose they couldn't test it otherwise... but they could have swapped HDs to test, then re-installed his original...
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One suggestion from that article: Before opening the envelope with the floppies, take the "agreement," get a pen, and draw a line through all the bits you don't like. Write your initials next to any and all changes you make. Do not strike out the phrase that reads, "By using the software, you indicate that you have read, understand, and agree to be bound by the terms of this agreement." If there's a clause forbidding changes unless signed by an authorized company representative, strike it out and initial it.
This process of striking out words and phrases and initialing them is in fact the actual, legally-approved method of making amendments to a contract (for such changes to be binding, the other party would be expected to also initial your amendments to indicate agreement, or offer a counter-proposal. This is all part of the negotiating process).
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If your experience is true, then that really is unfortunate. Before you complain too much, however, please fill in the blank in the statement above. If the number you provide is 1, please STFU. Especially with that "tsk, tsk, shame" stuff.
If you did help with debugging, then >I'll STFU.
Not sure there's enough room for both of us in this town... (/me draws gun)
Despite some of the whining you'll hear around here, you have an immense amount of gratitude from hundreds, if not thousands, of people.
Way to go Gnome!
The Dallas Morning News article alluded to a Wednesday release... I was rebuilding a box on monday, but held off til today for Gnome, fingers crossed. Yay! :-)
"Embrace, extend, and smother," anyone? You want to talk about standards mutilation, and 90% of the "MS-Linux" users wouldn't know the difference, or care.
:-)
I'm afraid that they COULD hijack it, if they wanted to. Except that I get the sense that many vendors are supporting Linux to spite M$ a bit, and if they hold to the standards, to the degree that their apps don't work on "MS-Linux"... well, that'd be an interesting situation.
Am I making any sense?
I've used the web_store script a little, you can get it at http://www.extropia.com/products.html
There's also a list at http://www.pro3.com/cartfree.shtml
It's your turn now, Nvidia... please?
As much as I love Gnome (I've been playing with it since 0.1x) I really wonder if it's ready for release. I think it's close, and getting better all the time. But there are still some freaky things on my box (maybe it's just my setup).
:-)
Things like "Help" buttons which have no effect make me wish that they'd wait just a little longer to release this thing. The session management is generally cool, but it hasn't been working for me 100%. For example, gnome-session seems to freak out when I try to change window managers. Anyone know the correct way to do this?
Hopefully I've just got accumulated cruft that's messing up my install - have others had better success?
Don't get me wrong - I think Gnome rocks, and I think the development team has done a wonderful job. I just wonder if a formal 1.0 release is a few weeks premature.
And one other small beef - I don't like the way gnome-session defaults to enlightenment, and the way the gnome pager suggests that you use enlightenment... smacks just a bit of IE4 "bundling" to me
I'm just curious - why the animosity towards Red Hat? I've never really understood... What makes it fruity and umbrella-laden? The addition of GUI interfaces? Is that such a bad thing?
I mean, all of the distributions are just that, right? Distributions of 100s of independent packages. Init scripts may differ, some of the directory structure, perhaps... but at the end of the day, what is really so different? Especially after you start customizing your favorite distro to behave the way you want it to behave?
I'd be interested in some un-emotional, fact-based insight into why people believe that one distro is superior to another.
... the guy with the hotmail email address saying how much Linux sucks. I thought Hotmail was running on Linux... at least before Micro$oft bought it? Maybe not. Anyone know?
The posts are still there. I don't really care if they're AC or not. The site is edited, and you can change the degree of editing you'd like to (not) see. If a user doesn't change their threshold, or if they don't know that the threshold exists, then they should educate themselves about how /. works.
Editing != censorship. Rob doesn't post every submission he gets. Nor does he bless every comment with a score of 2. It's the way it works, and if you want to see EVERY post, you can. Generally, I don't.
If a library puts books on the top shelf and you have to get a stepladder to get to them, do you cry censorship? It's all still there, and Rob's system is a good compromise between those who want to ban the ACs and those who believe that this would be an affront to free speech. If you want to see more AC stuff, set your threshold down. If you don't, crank it up. It's YOUR choice, and it's not censorship, IMHO.
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I just don't get it - it seems like meddling by lawyers who really don't understand what this is all about.
:-)
If Microsoft engages in non-competitive practices, (and I personally believe that they do)- fine. Prosecute them with the existing laws that suffice for other industries.
What's all this noise about how long it takes to connect to the Internet, browser bundling, licensing source code, no new features... It just seems like they're making this up as they go along! It makes me nervous. "Can't add new features to the OS" - what a ridiculous thing to dictate. (Granted, if they just got the bugs out of the existing features, it'd be a good thing) but WHY would the DOJ stipulate that as a solution to a monopoly?
Fine 'em, break 'em up, whatever, but don't micro-manage what they can and can't code. Just seems like a ridiculous solution, to me. Why not simply enforce the monopoly laws? Oh well, IANAL.
Ok, I'm done ranting.
"Other people who bought this book also...."
I don't see how it's trademark violation to display an ad for a related website... or am I missing something?
The TNT has been supported since XFree86 version 3.3.3. It was written and donated by Nvidia for your x-windowing pleasure. It's not yet included in a RedHat distribution, but it is available on rawhide.redhat.com in RPM packages.
Check out www.sugarmegs.org. Some good shows - they fill a CDR quite nicely
THe ftp.circ.us.eu.org mirror has them. The RPM version numbers are slightly different from the tarballs, but several of them are 0.99.7 (and not all of the tarballs are at 0.99.7 yet)
Some of this is true. At some point, Intel will mark chips at their maximum "tested" speed.
:)
But think about it.. after Intel gets to 0.25 micron, and they're making Xeons and PIIIs... do you REALLY think that they're still having trouble getting Celerons to be stable at 300?
Part of the reason they make different speeds at different prices is just that - they need multiple price points. It's marketing. Far enough into production of a chip, odds are most EVERYTHING runs at top speed, but they mark it "300" because they need something they can sell for under $100.
I'm also curious to know how someone will find out I overclocked a machine... sheesh.
So do you like working for Intel? How long have you been there?
Sheesh... read it... he SAYS he's joking!
It was a good joke too!
Man.
You can't IMAGINE how happy I was to hear that you had finally run Linux. I had tired a bit of hearing about how your WEREN'T running Linux over the past 2 months. :-)
I'm looking forward to hearing more about your experiences with this thing - now that you're finally up and running, I think the community can learn a lot from your trials and tribulations...
Have fun, and good luck!
For the love of god...
My brother-in-law bought a Digital laptop, and promptly wiped the harddrive to install Linux (he didn't pursue any refund)
He's a Linux newbie, so it was slow going, and I helped him get stuff set up, recompiled the kernel to support APM, etc.
This thing came with a Winmodem, but there's an option to get a NIC+Modem combo. But, to get it, you have to send it back to the factory for installation (because the jacks are integrated into the back of the laptop, which is kinda nice.)
So, he decided to cough up the $300 or so to have it installed, and sent it to be serviced.
When it was returned, his hard drive was wiped out, and a fresh install of NT was on it.
He just said "oh well" and started re-installing Linux, but I would have raised hell!
Is this standard practice for factory service? Why would they need to wipe the hard drive to install a NIC? I suppose they couldn't test it otherwise... but they could have swapped HDs to test, then re-installed his original...
We NEED a linux-friendly laptop vendor.
One suggestion from that article: Before opening the envelope with the floppies, take the "agreement," get a pen, and draw a line through all the bits you don't like. Write your initials next to any and all changes you make. Do not strike out the phrase that reads, "By using the software, you indicate that you have read, understand, and agree to be bound by the terms of this agreement." If there's a clause forbidding changes unless signed by an authorized company representative, strike it out and initial it.
This process of striking out words and phrases and initialing them is in fact the actual, legally-approved method of making amendments to a contract (for such changes to be binding, the other party would be expected to also initial your amendments to indicate agreement, or offer a counter-proposal. This is all part of the negotiating process).
etc....
Getting some national exposure already - whatever the outcome, I'm glad to see that the issue has been raised in the traditional press as well...