This energy drink/alcholic beverage has been around for quite a while now, so B(E) isn't exactly an original idea, mostly an imitation of an already sucessful product.
If you don't like the non-native arguement, stop treating your diseases, you're repelling organisms trying to spread to a new environment. Your body may die but oh well, they have the right to spread there regardless of the impact on the viability of that environment.
Rediculousness aside, if they came did come across on logs and actually established a breeding population, I suppose they'd wipe out the trees, die off completley, and eventually seeds would sprout and the trees would replenish over 1000's of years. But I don't suppose kudzu could come across from Japan on a log, and I don't think anyone is happy to see what its doing now. Besides, if you want to leave it to survival of the fittest on a planetary level, we win, and anything living anywhere that we don't preserve to support ourselves(Which is much of our reason for conservation) is there on our good graces because we decided we like it that way.
Doesn't matter to this situation how the mainland ones became threatened, nor how they got where they are, only that they don't belong there now, are harmful now and it just seems stupid to let them destroy all the trees and themselves, or to expend vast resources to preserve them without culling, if thats even possible.
Just read the posts, they are NOT native to the landmass where the culling is proposed, and should probably be wiped out in total from that area. Are you saying we should let them live there, strip the environment, and threaten native ecology, just as nonnative species and human encroachment does to them? That makes you sound pretty hypocritical.
Just because known!=availible does not mean I believe microsofts other logic is correct, or that it matters at all to the truth of the matter. Just that they can't be used interchangeably.
As these words mean different things, there is no contradiction. You just didn't pay attention. I'm not batting for microsoft here, just trying to keep the griping at their statement legitimate.
If you want originality, this is the place to look, not in mainstream release. The Ship Game, by Ken Manta,(which I have had the opportunity to do beta testing for), is nearly limitless in how it can be played, more intrinsicly versatile than you can imagine. www.polyart.net has some info and a classic 2d version for download.
I was called in to do tech support on an old computer (it had a "Wave Modem", a sound card modem combo, just as bad at both tasks as it sounds and which ended up being the problem with the machine getting online, but thats another story) Apparently the girls brother reformatted and reinstalled everything, and now "the coputer doesn't work." I turn it on when I get there, and it boots fine... I ask what she means, and she says, "Nooo - the COMPUTER" while pointing at the AOL icon on her desktop with her index finger and looking at me like _I'm_ the one wiht no idea whats going on.
Actually, blood types of a baby can be incommpatible with mom. They don't share the bloodstream, they have the placenta as a nutrient exchange interface that theoretically should swap no blood. Think about it: Mother is Ao - A from one parent, o from the other - which makes her blood type A, and the father is, say Bo, B from one parent and o from the other. An o sperm could fertilize and o egg, creating a oo genotype, which would be blood type O - this child would be killed if mom's blood got into his body. Many other crosses also generate incompatible mother/baby blood types in one direction or the other.
First, how many sources you cite for it being a gay/IV drug user problem? None? Then take your own advice and FUCK OFF. It's not like they're hard to find, but I guess since "everyone knows" you don't have to cite. Your original post never said it was "primarily a gay/IV drug user problem." You said:
"Who cares about homosexuals / IV drug users in this case anyway? They should neither donate organs nor receive them. Obvious-fucking-ly."
I'm not arguing about the easiest ways to spread it, I'm only saying that its no longer limited by any such barriers, its everywhere, right now, and the next person any of us sleeps with might be infected.
If motivated, one could find the EXACT stats I gave you in well under 5 minuets on google. For your enlightenment, check out the center for diseases control statistics at http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm#exposure
Copied from the page:
International Statistics
According to the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS, as of the end of 2002, the following trends of the worldwide epidemic (or pandemic) of HIV are evident:
* Today, 42 million people are estimated to be living with HIV/AIDS. Of these, 38.6 million are adults. 19.2 million are women, and 3.2 million are children under 15.
* An estimated 5 million people acquired the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in 2002, including 2 million women and 800,000 children under 15.
* During 2002, AIDS caused the deaths of an estimated 3.1 million people, including 1.2 million women and 610,000 children under 15.
* Women are becoming increasingly affected by HIV. Approximately 50%, or 19.2 million, of the 38.6 million adults living with HIV or AIDS worldwide are women.
For current statistics on the number of reported AIDS cases in North, Central, and South America, please contact the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) which is the regional office for the Americas of the World Health Organization at 525 23rd Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20037, telephone: 202-861-4346.
Infection should be an issue of concern to every sexually active individual in the world. HIV is spreading rapidly outside of these two categories, even in the US.
You also made no comment about how mention of gay people/IV drug users was not even necessary for your comment, which was probably the most important part of my entire comment.
You don't have to be politically correct or sensitive, but actually knowing about the situation might help you when you're trying to make a point.
Half of the new HIV infections around the world are in people under 25, and of the teens becoming infected, the majority are girls.
Of the 4.2 million new infections this year, 2 million are women. Of the 38.6 million total infected adults alive today, 19.2 million are women.
You systematically categorize homosexuals and IV drug users are the only people infected with HIV, when these days, even in the US, its spread is breaches all social categories and is especially prevalent on college campuses among young women. The gist of your comment (which I take to be that political concern over what to do about HIV infected people who need or can give organs should not stop the idea proposed from being used) is fine as a standalone without stereotyping who gets infected. Obviously unprotected anal sex (the majority of anal sex is practiced between men and women, as an aside) and sharing needles are really good ways of getting infected, but imagining the risk is completely limited to people involved in those activities is wearing blinders to the depth of the problem.
There is no need to go out of your way to be politically incorrect and insensitive, which is what you did. Why people are infected is irrelevant. Yet you went out of your way to categorize infected individuals as either homosexual or as IV drug users. Its not as though you stood up and said something politically incorrect when it was pertinent and accurate, you went out of your way to ADD that unnecessarily. Replace "homosexuals/IV drug users" in your comment with "HIV infected people," remove your assumption it will be modded down, and you have a virtually IDENTICAL comment, pose the same question, and do it in less words. I'm tired of people going out of their way to say politically incorrect things, then saying they'll be "modded down" or somehow else persecuted for it.
I believe at least one, possibly several, units that read the grooves in records via a laser exist - they work reasonably well, the problem they face is that with the laser, the slightest spec of dust creates a terrible sound, even for specs of dust a needle would push right out of the way. If the record is perfectly clean and new, they do work though.
My cousin salvaged an HP laserjet 4 plus for me from a company that abandoned it after leaving the building he works in. Replaced the toner cartridge(25$ on ebay) and it works perfectly, and by the looks of the thing, the previous owners were NOT kind to it. My epson stylus 777, however pretty it prints photos considering how little it cost, is not nearly so sturdy.
If you're interested in newer nuclear reactor technologies, examine this/. article, which contains information about reactors that use dense steam instead of water to carefully control nuclear reactions and allow us to fission U-238 instead of just the more rarely occuring U-235, in essence using what is currently nuclear waste as an additonal fuel.
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/0 3/2057212&mode=nested&tid=126&tid=134
I believe we've sucessfully used a form of gene therapy involving a modified virus to experimentally treat a single gene immune system disorder, with pretty good results; the majority of the subjects have not experienced the "bubble boy" disease. If I'm recalling correctly the treatment was administered in very early childhood and has been effective for several years. They dont' believe the virus changed every body cell, merly enough critical cells to produce a normal or nearly normal immune response. It's certainly progress.
Wow, Lexx. I honestly can't stand the show, but whenever it came on I couldn't stop myself from watching it. I think it infected my brain or something. Where I live now my cable isn't hooked up, so I haven't been exposed to it lately, thankfully.
Yes, I remember that, I think the instruction booklet even had a "free personal pan pizza" coupon in it. Luckily, I grew up in Long Island, NY, so I knew that pizza hut was a false pizza god.
Last time I checked the laws in my hometown on eastersn Long Island, you have to inform local authorities that you are having a yard sale, and if you hold a yard sale on more than 2 days a year(consecutive or non-consecutive) it isn't a yard sale anymore, it's a business and you do have to pay taxes etc.
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This energy drink/alcholic beverage has been around for quite a while now, so B(E) isn't exactly an original idea, mostly an imitation of an already sucessful product.
I want the inflatable time machine!
I know Smidge, and he definatley knows his stuff when it comes to structural stability.
If you don't like the non-native arguement, stop treating your diseases, you're repelling organisms trying to spread to a new environment. Your body may die but oh well, they have the right to spread there regardless of the impact on the viability of that environment. Rediculousness aside, if they came did come across on logs and actually established a breeding population, I suppose they'd wipe out the trees, die off completley, and eventually seeds would sprout and the trees would replenish over 1000's of years. But I don't suppose kudzu could come across from Japan on a log, and I don't think anyone is happy to see what its doing now. Besides, if you want to leave it to survival of the fittest on a planetary level, we win, and anything living anywhere that we don't preserve to support ourselves(Which is much of our reason for conservation) is there on our good graces because we decided we like it that way.
Doesn't matter to this situation how the mainland ones became threatened, nor how they got where they are, only that they don't belong there now, are harmful now and it just seems stupid to let them destroy all the trees and themselves, or to expend vast resources to preserve them without culling, if thats even possible.
Just read the posts, they are NOT native to the landmass where the culling is proposed, and should probably be wiped out in total from that area. Are you saying we should let them live there, strip the environment, and threaten native ecology, just as nonnative species and human encroachment does to them? That makes you sound pretty hypocritical.
Just because known!=availible does not mean I believe microsofts other logic is correct, or that it matters at all to the truth of the matter. Just that they can't be used interchangeably.
As these words mean different things, there is no contradiction. You just didn't pay attention. I'm not batting for microsoft here, just trying to keep the griping at their statement legitimate.
If you want originality, this is the place to look, not in mainstream release. The Ship Game, by Ken Manta,(which I have had the opportunity to do beta testing for), is nearly limitless in how it can be played, more intrinsicly versatile than you can imagine. www.polyart.net has some info and a classic 2d version for download.
I was called in to do tech support on an old computer (it had a "Wave Modem", a sound card modem combo, just as bad at both tasks as it sounds and which ended up being the problem with the machine getting online, but thats another story) Apparently the girls brother reformatted and reinstalled everything, and now "the coputer doesn't work." I turn it on when I get there, and it boots fine... I ask what she means, and she says, "Nooo - the COMPUTER" while pointing at the AOL icon on her desktop with her index finger and looking at me like _I'm_ the one wiht no idea whats going on.
Actually, blood types of a baby can be incommpatible with mom. They don't share the bloodstream, they have the placenta as a nutrient exchange interface that theoretically should swap no blood. Think about it: Mother is Ao - A from one parent, o from the other - which makes her blood type A, and the father is, say Bo, B from one parent and o from the other. An o sperm could fertilize and o egg, creating a oo genotype, which would be blood type O - this child would be killed if mom's blood got into his body. Many other crosses also generate incompatible mother/baby blood types in one direction or the other.
First, how many sources you cite for it being a gay/IV drug user problem? None? Then take your own advice and FUCK OFF. It's not like they're hard to find, but I guess since "everyone knows" you don't have to cite. Your original post never said it was "primarily a gay/IV drug user problem." You said: "Who cares about homosexuals / IV drug users in this case anyway? They should neither donate organs nor receive them. Obvious-fucking-ly." I'm not arguing about the easiest ways to spread it, I'm only saying that its no longer limited by any such barriers, its everywhere, right now, and the next person any of us sleeps with might be infected. If motivated, one could find the EXACT stats I gave you in well under 5 minuets on google. For your enlightenment, check out the center for diseases control statistics at http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm#exposure Copied from the page: International Statistics According to the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS, as of the end of 2002, the following trends of the worldwide epidemic (or pandemic) of HIV are evident: * Today, 42 million people are estimated to be living with HIV/AIDS. Of these, 38.6 million are adults. 19.2 million are women, and 3.2 million are children under 15. * An estimated 5 million people acquired the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in 2002, including 2 million women and 800,000 children under 15. * During 2002, AIDS caused the deaths of an estimated 3.1 million people, including 1.2 million women and 610,000 children under 15. * Women are becoming increasingly affected by HIV. Approximately 50%, or 19.2 million, of the 38.6 million adults living with HIV or AIDS worldwide are women. For current statistics on the number of reported AIDS cases in North, Central, and South America, please contact the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) which is the regional office for the Americas of the World Health Organization at 525 23rd Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20037, telephone: 202-861-4346. Infection should be an issue of concern to every sexually active individual in the world. HIV is spreading rapidly outside of these two categories, even in the US. You also made no comment about how mention of gay people /IV drug users was not even necessary for your comment, which was probably the most important part of my entire comment.
You don't have to be politically correct or sensitive, but actually knowing about the situation might help you when you're trying to make a point. Half of the new HIV infections around the world are in people under 25, and of the teens becoming infected, the majority are girls. Of the 4.2 million new infections this year, 2 million are women. Of the 38.6 million total infected adults alive today, 19.2 million are women. You systematically categorize homosexuals and IV drug users are the only people infected with HIV, when these days, even in the US, its spread is breaches all social categories and is especially prevalent on college campuses among young women. The gist of your comment (which I take to be that political concern over what to do about HIV infected people who need or can give organs should not stop the idea proposed from being used) is fine as a standalone without stereotyping who gets infected. Obviously unprotected anal sex (the majority of anal sex is practiced between men and women, as an aside) and sharing needles are really good ways of getting infected, but imagining the risk is completely limited to people involved in those activities is wearing blinders to the depth of the problem. There is no need to go out of your way to be politically incorrect and insensitive, which is what you did. Why people are infected is irrelevant. Yet you went out of your way to categorize infected individuals as either homosexual or as IV drug users. Its not as though you stood up and said something politically incorrect when it was pertinent and accurate, you went out of your way to ADD that unnecessarily. Replace "homosexuals/IV drug users" in your comment with "HIV infected people," remove your assumption it will be modded down, and you have a virtually IDENTICAL comment, pose the same question, and do it in less words. I'm tired of people going out of their way to say politically incorrect things, then saying they'll be "modded down" or somehow else persecuted for it.
I believe at least one, possibly several, units that read the grooves in records via a laser exist - they work reasonably well, the problem they face is that with the laser, the slightest spec of dust creates a terrible sound, even for specs of dust a needle would push right out of the way. If the record is perfectly clean and new, they do work though.
My cousin salvaged an HP laserjet 4 plus for me from a company that abandoned it after leaving the building he works in. Replaced the toner cartridge(25$ on ebay) and it works perfectly, and by the looks of the thing, the previous owners were NOT kind to it. My epson stylus 777, however pretty it prints photos considering how little it cost, is not nearly so sturdy.
If you're interested in newer nuclear reactor technologies, examine this /. article, which contains information about reactors that use dense steam instead of water to carefully control nuclear reactions and allow us to fission U-238 instead of just the more rarely occuring U-235, in essence using what is currently nuclear waste as an additonal fuel.
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/0 3/2057212&mode=nested&tid=126&tid=134
I believe we've sucessfully used a form of gene therapy involving a modified virus to experimentally treat a single gene immune system disorder, with pretty good results; the majority of the subjects have not experienced the "bubble boy" disease. If I'm recalling correctly the treatment was administered in very early childhood and has been effective for several years. They dont' believe the virus changed every body cell, merly enough critical cells to produce a normal or nearly normal immune response. It's certainly progress.
Shal
Hey dude, it's Nick, how's it hanging? It feels like a reunion around here.
I love cherryh, her alien cultures are great because they are so very alien.
n/t
Wow, Lexx. I honestly can't stand the show, but whenever it came on I couldn't stop myself from watching it. I think it infected my brain or something. Where I live now my cable isn't hooked up, so I haven't been exposed to it lately, thankfully.
Yes, I remember that, I think the instruction booklet even had a "free personal pan pizza" coupon in it. Luckily, I grew up in Long Island, NY, so I knew that pizza hut was a false pizza god.
Last time I checked the laws in my hometown on eastersn Long Island, you have to inform local authorities that you are having a yard sale, and if you hold a yard sale on more than 2 days a year(consecutive or non-consecutive) it isn't a yard sale anymore, it's a business and you do have to pay taxes etc.