You could have worded that more diplomatically to better drive home your point..But then again, we can't expect everything from *grownups*.....In fact *grownups* are the people who are egregiously abusing our law system with lawsuits like this instead of trying to find a better business model..
So why don't you take your grownup banter, and POUND IT UP YOUR GROWNUP ASS!..
You are right that the lower income brackets in this country will probably spend it. They don't have enough money to exist much less put some away for tomorrow. The middle class (say 40K single, 60-75K for families) will however put it in the bank. Saving money in a Bank DOES actually simulate growth tho, because banks take the money you deposit and then turn around and invest it in the market...Thats why you make interest....And as we all know, interest makes the world go 'round...;-)..
..Users of the Turbotax software can be considered outside the realm of normal consumers..There's a big difference between the mindsets of a person who goes out to buy a tax package to use for Uncle Sam's extortion and your garden variety 1337 kiddie trading DVD rips on IRC rather than taking a trip to the Suncoast to buy it..Apples and Oranges man, apples and oranges....See, I look at it like this: Most Turbotax users are going to be pretty saavy at doing their taxes no? They're probably middle income with some post secondary education, and they're spending hard earned money on a tool thats going to help them go through an experience which, given the choice between tax time and a root canal with a rusty pair of pliers..the pliers win..The majority of people sucking up entertainment media are NOT of that mindset..(One only has to look to reality TV to see this..)..
Dare I say it, but I believe MOST people wouldn't really make a protest at this..Yeah yeah, the ocean of geeks freqenting this site would disagree, but keep in mind that this is NOT indicative of the American Mindset..Most suck up whats on the TV set as truth and don't question..If the company tells them to go out and buy a DRM approved player, they're going to do it because they can't even CONCEIVE of bucking the trend for a brighter day, much less form any kind of resistence to the status quo...
The two products (Tax Software Vs. Your Favorite Movies) are fundamentally different in design and need as well..Entertainment, due in no small part to the structure that media has set up for itself is a fleeting thing..People want spectacular *POP* to everything that they buy, but having that puts one in the mindset that they shouldn't have to pay a great deal for it, or give any creedence to its artistic merit (which, nowadays in movies and music, there is little..)..Chances are if told that they have to obey the copy protection, given the price is right, they'll do it..Whereas with tax software, because of the above mentioned psychology, the anxiety level when dealing with the product itself is MUCH higher..(Now what 13 year old girl is REALLY gonna become the next Che Guevera of the digital world because she can't rip her favorite N'sync CD to a non-DRM MP3 player? Chances are, she's just gonna get mommy or daddy to buy the pass to use it on said MP3 player in addition to the home stereo..)..
Apples and Oranges...
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..I don't want my kids listening to anything Fred Durst has sung (if you can call it that) in, much less teaching them to fuck..Please now, I'll mail you a program..
...I doubt how many people here know who Q-bert or Craze is, so it really wouldn't matter..But yeah, I agree..Rappers MC, Selektas scratch..Get it right FEWLS!..;-)..
..No, what he's getting at is the fact that you can't imply that more people are CONSCIOUSLY searching through MSN when the DEFAULT action for IE, the most prolific browser out there, when confronted with a known address, is to redirect to a MICROSOFT run page.. Thats bullshit and you know it. Don't attack the man because he's pointing out the truth..
..It IS a preliminary look at what he's planning. I kinda dig the idea of having a museum about science fiction done right by someone with the money to buy the right people to do it. Science fiction, although still kinda snickered at by the general population as being a pastime frequented by pimply faced beta male boys, is still a beautiful dream of what our possible future could be..Its the ultimate experession of our fears and hopes and dreams, some utopian (Star Trek) some dystopian (Neuromancer, The Matrix) some edgy and in between (Star Wars)..Where else in fiction do we actually dream about the 'future'?..A shrine to that would be a good thing..If for nothing else than to show our fracturing and malcontented society that there CAN be a brighter day....I have no point..;)..
..It impresses me how quickly the davids of the past become the goliaths of the present..Seems like a trend with geekdom, cause, at least in part to the merciless social beatings we got while growing up for being the way we are..Microsoft Vs. Ibm...3dfx Vs. Nvidia and now Nvidia vs. everyone else. One can only hope one day, if and when Linux truly becomes a dominant desktop operating system, that someone has the perception to learn from the past and not doom us to repeat it.
The texas judicial system and law enforcement are riddled with corruption, drugs,etc. and this fag wants to put some kid away for downloading a few cheesy mp3's ...Ignornace denouncing ignorance...God Bless the USA..
Nick appears to be dressing up wishes in the emporer's clothing of misleading "facts". Again. Anyone else remember his weekly diatribes of the vast superiority and impending market conversion to OS/2 in Infoworld?...OOOOOHHH SNAP!!!...;)...
...Um, patronizing gaming hardware from the evil empire and trying to aquire a lamp born out of pure human atrocity and evilness on an unheard of scale isn't the same f*cking game...Its not even the same f*cking Sport!..C'mon now...
The more points of view you apply to solving a problem, the quicker, and better you'll solve it. The beauty of human reasoning isthat no two people will view the world in *exactly* the same way, therefore each one of their respective paths to the solution will be different...Travelling that path to one solution can, as we know, lead to other SOLUTIONS to other PROBLEMS.. The more heads that work, the more solutions discovered . . and so on..
..I can take all the governments finagling into my privacy, because long ago I realized that they could already violate it with impunity without me knowing about it.. Now they just want to put it on the books so they don't have to try *as hard* to be sneaky and if they get caught, and entropy says they will, now legally they don't have to apologize.
I can deal with all of that, its to be expected..
What I cannot deal with is the symbolism that this represents for every little boy who ever looked up and wondered what was beyond that big blue dome out in space. (sorry, I grew up in the eighties before rampant PC'ness . . I'm sure there were many geeky little girls that wanted to be engineers and space cadets too;)..And if you by chance happened to grow up to be a fairly easy on the eyes engineer or IT fembot, please don't hesitate to email me..but I digress..) NOT only are they stripping away liberties that we as adults enjoy, they now are attempting to stifle the way we dream in the name of National Security. Its bad enough that we raise our children in spiritually dead suburbs, beating the conformity in them with gentile calmness, scorning those who do not..NOW we are saying to the young people out there 'You can't dream big..because dreaming big requires big thinking and big projects, all which may lead to an ill side effect that could hurt alot of people. We cannot allow you to take that chance."
You know what? FUCK THAT! Fuck those guys! What ever happened to rolling the dice? What ever happened to taking a chance? We didn't always have this techonology that allows us the luxury of snooping on our fellow man..And what did we have to do to combat evil without it?..What did they do in the 'old days?'..They rolled the dice and faced the terrifying unknown..
And that terrifying unknown made us stronger as people. It drove us to achieve and build lasting testaments to human ingenuity.
Not anymore though, that age is dying..another nail in the coffin being our childrens' dreams....eh, whatever..
No human, however gifted, is capable of understanding the entirety of more than a trivial system at once.
That's not entirely true. Right brained people can, thing is.. Alot of right brained people have a hard time learning programming.. Its the way its taught, or so I've experienced . .
Excellent points. I too am an avid fan of underground electronic music as well as a bedroom DJ. Having collected records since 97, I can tell you that its hard enough to find these tracks on press, and once their gone its usually years before someone represses the tune again, if ever. The chance of it coming out on CD is virutally Nil, so that leaves only one other avenue to aquire the music: File Sharing.
I've got hundreds of tracks in my bin that were regional to the area that I lived at the time (Florida) and outside of the southeast, probably have never been heard. Just for fun, during the height of napster and AG popularity I would plug in various names of groups and producers that I'd like and I'd maybe get a handful of hits , say 5 or so for even big run stuff on vinyl.. Now, with Soulseek I don't get anything..
IRC was kind of a saving grace in a way once AG disappeared. I could turn to there and get the tracks that I wanted (most of them at least) and even better, I could download the stuff that i REALLY wanted to get, even moreso than individual tracks: Live sets.. THAT was the true benefit, being able to hear your favorite DJ's throw down live..
This is a big blow to electronic music..hopefully Efnet won't follow suit . .
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You could have worded that more diplomatically to better drive home your point..But then again, we can't expect everything from *grownups*... ..In fact *grownups* are the people who are egregiously abusing our law system with lawsuits like this instead of trying to find a better business model..
So why don't you take your grownup banter, and POUND IT UP YOUR GROWNUP ASS!..
clear enough *old man*..?
..LOL, there's another industry out there that does it, and gets away with it every day of the week...Its called trafficing in Schedule 1 narcotics..
You are right that the lower income brackets in this country will probably spend it. They don't have enough money to exist much less put some away for tomorrow. The middle class (say 40K single, 60-75K for families) will however put it in the bank. Saving money in a Bank DOES actually simulate growth tho, because banks take the money you deposit and then turn around and invest it in the market...Thats why you make interest.. ..And as we all know, interest makes the world go 'round... ;-)..
...so thats roughly 4 dilithium crystals or a key of uncut coke?...
...nah nah, hayseeds maybe, but not rednecks..There's too many squirrels for dinner that the ammo is better spent on..
..If they were, how would you see them?..
..Users of the Turbotax software can be considered outside the realm of normal consumers..There's a big difference between the mindsets of a person who goes out to buy a tax package to use for Uncle Sam's extortion and your garden variety 1337 kiddie trading DVD rips on IRC rather than taking a trip to the Suncoast to buy it..Apples and Oranges man, apples and oranges.. ..See, I look at it like this: Most Turbotax users are going to be pretty saavy at doing their taxes no? They're probably middle income with some post secondary education, and they're spending hard earned money on a tool thats going to help them go through an experience which, given the choice between tax time and a root canal with a rusty pair of pliers..the pliers win..The majority of people sucking up entertainment media are NOT of that mindset..(One only has to look to reality TV to see this..)..
Dare I say it, but I believe MOST people wouldn't really make a protest at this..Yeah yeah, the ocean of geeks freqenting this site would disagree, but keep in mind that this is NOT indicative of the American Mindset..Most suck up whats on the TV set as truth and don't question..If the company tells them to go out and buy a DRM approved player, they're going to do it because they can't even CONCEIVE of bucking the trend for a brighter day, much less form any kind of resistence to the status quo...
The two products (Tax Software Vs. Your Favorite Movies) are fundamentally different in design and need as well..Entertainment, due in no small part to the structure that media has set up for itself is a fleeting thing..People want spectacular *POP* to everything that they buy, but having that puts one in the mindset that they shouldn't have to pay a great deal for it, or give any creedence to its artistic merit (which, nowadays in movies and music, there is little..)..Chances are if told that they have to obey the copy protection, given the price is right, they'll do it..Whereas with tax software, because of the above mentioned psychology, the anxiety level when dealing with the product itself is MUCH higher..(Now what 13 year old girl is REALLY gonna become the next Che Guevera of the digital world because she can't rip her favorite N'sync CD to a non-DRM MP3 player? Chances are, she's just gonna get mommy or daddy to buy the pass to use it on said MP3 player in addition to the home stereo..)..
Apples and Oranges...
..Where do we stand when stupidity reigns?..
If I wasn't baked, I'd think of a pretty witty reply to this...
...It may look like 'just a big cone' to you...The real question is What is that cone made of?...
..I don't want my kids listening to anything Fred Durst has sung (if you can call it that) in, much less teaching them to fuck..Please now, I'll mail you a program..
...I doubt how many people here know who Q-bert or Craze is, so it really wouldn't matter..But yeah, I agree..Rappers MC, Selektas scratch..Get it right FEWLS!..;-)..
..No, what he's getting at is the fact that you can't imply that more people are CONSCIOUSLY searching through MSN when the DEFAULT action for IE, the most prolific browser out there, when confronted with a known address, is to redirect to a MICROSOFT run page.. Thats bullshit and you know it. Don't attack the man because he's pointing out the truth..
..It IS a preliminary look at what he's planning. I kinda dig the idea of having a museum about science fiction done right by someone with the money to buy the right people to do it. Science fiction, although still kinda snickered at by the general population as being a pastime frequented by pimply faced beta male boys, is still a beautiful dream of what our possible future could be..Its the ultimate experession of our fears and hopes and dreams, some utopian (Star Trek) some dystopian (Neuromancer, The Matrix) some edgy and in between (Star Wars)..Where else in fiction do we actually dream about the 'future'?..A shrine to that would be a good thing..If for nothing else than to show our fracturing and malcontented society that there CAN be a brighter day.. ..I have no point..;)..
William Gibson future HERE WE COME!!..
..It impresses me how quickly the davids of the past become the goliaths of the present..Seems like a trend with geekdom, cause, at least in part to the merciless social beatings we got while growing up for being the way we are..Microsoft Vs. Ibm...3dfx Vs. Nvidia and now Nvidia vs. everyone else. One can only hope one day, if and when Linux truly becomes a dominant desktop operating system, that someone has the perception to learn from the past and not doom us to repeat it.
The texas judicial system and law enforcement are riddled with corruption, drugs,etc. and this fag wants to put some kid away for downloading a few cheesy mp3's
...Ignornace denouncing ignorance...God Bless the USA..
Nick appears to be dressing up wishes in the emporer's clothing of misleading "facts". Again. Anyone else remember his weekly diatribes of the vast superiority and impending market conversion to OS/2 in Infoworld? ...OOOOOHHH SNAP!!!...;)...
...Um, patronizing gaming hardware from the evil empire and trying to aquire a lamp born out of pure human atrocity and evilness on an unheard of scale isn't the same f*cking game ...Its not even the same f*cking Sport!..C'mon now...
..I'm guessing you're Ted in this scenario...:-P..
The more points of view you apply to solving a problem, the quicker, and better you'll solve it. The beauty of human reasoning isthat no two people will view the world in *exactly* the same way, therefore each one of their respective paths to the solution will be different...Travelling that path to one solution can, as we know, lead to other SOLUTIONS to other PROBLEMS.. The more heads that work, the more solutions discovered . . and so on..
. .I can take all the governments finagling into my privacy, because long ago I realized that they could already violate it with impunity without me knowing about it.. Now they just want to put it on the books so they don't have to try *as hard* to be sneaky and if they get caught, and entropy says they will, now legally they don't have to apologize.
;)..And if you by chance happened to grow up to be a fairly easy on the eyes engineer or IT fembot, please don't hesitate to email me..but I digress..) NOT only are they stripping away liberties that we as adults enjoy, they now are attempting to stifle the way we dream in the name of National Security. Its bad enough that we raise our children in spiritually dead suburbs, beating the conformity in them with gentile calmness, scorning those who do not..NOW we are saying to the young people out there 'You can't dream big..because dreaming big requires big thinking and big projects, all which may lead to an ill side effect that could hurt alot of people. We cannot allow you to take that chance."
..What did they do in the 'old days?' ..They rolled the dice and faced the terrifying unknown..
..eh, whatever..
I can deal with all of that, its to be expected..
What I cannot deal with is the symbolism that this represents for every little boy who ever looked up and wondered what was beyond that big blue dome out in space. (sorry, I grew up in the eighties before rampant PC'ness . . I'm sure there were many geeky little girls that wanted to be engineers and space cadets too
You know what? FUCK THAT! Fuck those guys! What ever happened to rolling the dice? What ever happened to taking a chance? We didn't always have this techonology that allows us the luxury of snooping on our fellow man..And what did we have to do to combat evil without it?
And that terrifying unknown made us stronger as people. It drove us to achieve and build lasting testaments to human ingenuity.
Not anymore though, that age is dying..another nail in the coffin being our childrens' dreams..
No human, however gifted, is capable of understanding the entirety of more than a trivial system at once.
That's not entirely true. Right brained people can, thing is.. Alot of right brained people have a hard time learning programming.. Its the way its taught, or so I've experienced . .
Redundant?? . . REDUNDANT!! . . . SOMEBODY forgot to have their coffee this morning crankypants! . . . ;) . .
Excellent points. I too am an avid fan of underground electronic music as well as a bedroom DJ. Having collected records since 97, I can tell you that its hard enough to find these tracks on press, and once their gone its usually years before someone represses the tune again, if ever. The chance of it coming out on CD is virutally Nil, so that leaves only one other avenue to aquire the music: File Sharing.
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I've got hundreds of tracks in my bin that were regional to the area that I lived at the time (Florida) and outside of the southeast, probably have never been heard. Just for fun, during the height of napster and AG popularity I would plug in various names of groups and producers that I'd like and I'd maybe get a handful of hits , say 5 or so for even big run stuff on vinyl.. Now, with Soulseek I don't get anything..
IRC was kind of a saving grace in a way once AG disappeared. I could turn to there and get the tracks that I wanted (most of them at least) and even better, I could download the stuff that i REALLY wanted to get, even moreso than individual tracks: Live sets.. THAT was the true benefit, being able to hear your favorite DJ's throw down live
This is a big blow to electronic music..hopefully Efnet won't follow suit . .