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Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit?

Ironica writes "Readers will recall the furor over Intuit's activation scheme for TurboTax 2002, which prompted a lawsuit and subsequently was removed from TT2002 and all future products. Here's an interesting editorial on CNNMoney suggesting that other DRM proponents could take a page out of Intuit's book ... if they have the sense."

232 comments

  1. If you had a perfect memory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would the MPAA/RIAA/etc want you to pay royalties for remembering things?

    1. Re:If you had a perfect memory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A memory is never a perfect copy, so probably not.

    2. Re:If you had a perfect memory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's look at the question one more time... If you had a perfect memory. If is a fun word, check it out.

  2. One slight problem... by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In Intuit's case, they actually saw a loss on the books, and realized it was a Bad Thing. Hollywood hasn't seen any such loss, and so doesn't understand.

    1. Re:One slight problem... by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 4, Interesting
      In Intuit's case, they actually saw a loss on the books, and realized it was a Bad Thing. Hollywood hasn't seen any such loss, and so doesn't understand.
      I'm not sure about the MPAA, but the RIAA is claiming millions and millions of dollars in "losses." And they still don't understand. I know several people (myself included) who flat-out refuse to accept any crippled, copy-protected, DRM'd imitation of a real CD, even as the record labels continue pumping them out. Their losses are only going to grow.
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    2. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Were they using their own software when they saw this loss?

    3. Re:One slight problem... by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In Intuit's case, they actually saw a loss on the books, and realized it was a Bad Thing. Hollywood hasn't seen any such loss, and so doesn't understand.

      One might argue that this is because Intuit has competition, while Hollywood is in fact several dominant companies working together in a de facto monopoly.
      Losing a customer to a boycott is nothing -- there's a line behind you, skippy.
      Losing a customer to your competition, now that's a real problem.

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    4. Re:One slight problem... by ryanr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly. I'm not sure why they aren't regulated as public utilities, and why our anti-trust, anti-cartel laws have been so poorly enforced lately.

    5. Re:One slight problem... by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that Intuit realised that if you treat all your customers as criminals, then they're not going to be very impressed. Perhaps Hollywood has been slow to realise this as there doesn't seem to be one single place where people can voice their complaints.

    6. Re:One slight problem... by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How much of that "loss" was real, and how much was just made up bullshit? I don't think they can actually lose money, as the amount of content that is released every year by RIAA/MPAA is enormous, and there are always people there to snap it up. A normal user doesn't care what they can't do with a cd, as long as it plays in their Walkman/home stereo.

    7. Re:One slight problem... by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Maybe, but you might be underestimating what a "normal user" is these days. What you say might have been true in, say, 1998... but these days I think most people at least are aware of the fact that there is "free" music out there, many of them get it free while those people may pass it to their friends which might not be able to get it for free.

      Not to mention I think that those people who have enough money to buy any significant number of CDs at $20 a pop are very likely to be people that also have enough money to get a PC and use it.

      MP3s and P2P are no longer the realm of techies...

    8. Re:One slight problem... by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 4, Insightful

      somehow, they actaul claimed billions of dollars in loss. Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but how can they possilbe claim billions in loss and still support the lifestyles they do. Unless they were a trillion dollar industry, billions of dollars would be making a big dent in their lives. I could go on and on about how filesharing is helping them out, but I just wanted to mention their ridiculous claims of loss.

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    9. Re:One slight problem... by ramzak2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hollywood is in fact several dominant companies working together in a de facto monopoly.

      thats it ! i am switching to Bollywood. I might as well pick up some hindi before I move to India for some good programming jobs.

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    10. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's isn't? Why am I here then? What else is /. good for?

    11. Re:One slight problem... by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1
      I know several people (myself included) who flat-out refuse to accept any crippled, copy-protected, DRM'd imitation of a real CD, even as the record labels continue pumping them out.


      I've only laid hands on one copy-protected CD, the VNV Nation "Genesis" single, and cdparanoia made a perfect copy of it, as if it had never been copy-protected at all.

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    12. Re:One slight problem... by Fesh · · Score: 1

      *shameless copyright violation*

      Gonzo: I want to go to Bombay India and become a movie star!

      Fozzie: You don't go to Bombay India to become a movie star! You go to Hollywood, like us!

      Gonzo: Well, sure... If you want to do it the easy way...

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    13. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're obviously joking, but some movies are actually pretty good.

    14. Re:One slight problem... by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I get my concept of a normal user from supporting my sisters with their computers/tvs/vcrs. You would think that they could figure out how to operate them correctly, but they seem to lose all sense and knowledge when they approach anything electronic in nature.

      While I do know many younger people have no problems with, and infact embrace technology, it would seem to me like many/most people still haven't a clue how to download music, or copy it onto a cd.

    15. Re:One slight problem... by geekee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The percentage of copy-protected CD's is extremely low. Blaming copy protection for RIAA losses is weak, especially given the popularity of p2p networks for trading songs. I think you don't understand. If there's a consumer backlash against the RIAA, it's in the form of people wanting to pay $0 for music instead of $15 and having the opportunity. I don't know anyone who refused to buy a cd because they were worried about copy protection. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who use p2p networks rather than buying cds.

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    16. Re:One slight problem... by geekee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If file sharing is helping them out, why are revenues down? Your arguement makes no sense. They had no copy protection and revenue went down. Intuit started using copy protection and their revenue went down. Two entirely different situations.

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    17. Re:One slight problem... by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 4, Interesting

      their revenues went down because the ENTIRE economy went down.

      the reason it helps is because of people like me. I never purchased a cd before, the radio took care of all my music needs. But with the advent of the internet, i was introduced to new artists. Because these artists aren't played on the radio, and because I wanted to support them, I bought their cd. Never would have paid for music otherwise.

      not to mention that people have been swapping music LONG before the dawn of the internet. tape to tape recording and such.

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    18. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree with you. But P2P makes copying faster and more widespread - potentially thousands or millions vs. a dozen or so (at most).

    19. Re:One slight problem... by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 2, Interesting

      dear god, i know exactly what you mean. I have family members calling me at all hours of the day to tell them how to run winamp or install morpheus and what not. There is definitely a large portion of older people who still don't know waht they are doing.

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    20. Re:One slight problem... by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 1

      anti-trust laws have traditionaly been used very sparingly, a conservative/pro-big bussiness court is usually the reason why.

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    21. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indian movies you should see: Satya (Crime Drama), Kuch Kuch Hota Hai (Romantic Comedy), Maachis (Terrorism). Seriously, try it, you might like it.

      There's also a lot of good stuff coming out of Korea.

    22. Re:One slight problem... by ChadN · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You have now met one. I haven't bought a new CD in approximately a year (when I heard that copy-protected CDs were gonna hit the shelves en-masse; don't know if it has happened). Before then, I bought ~50 - 100 CDs a year (some new, some used).

      My strategy is to call in to radio shows that interview artists (whether "big time" or "small time"), and tell them that I would like to buy their CD, but probably won't, because of my concerns over not being able to eject a CD from my iBook (these are apparently VALID concerns). Many seem to be unaware of the situation, but the ones who are, aren't happy about it (they realize that their fans will blame THEM, even though they have little control over distribution).

      The business people will never be on our side (their jobs are directly threatened, not just because of revenue, but because their jobs are only relevant if they have control of distribution). But the artists need to know that we DO care about them, and are willing to support them, even if we hate their corporate masters. The artists DO have media clout (fans want to hear from them, not the marketing drones), and they are the ones who can bring these concerns to the attention of the masses. At least, I hope so.

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    23. Re:One slight problem... by arakasi · · Score: 1


      One might argue that this is because Intuit has competition, while Hollywood is in fact several dominant companies working together in a de facto monopoly. When a group of companies act together to influence or regulate a given industry it's a cartel not a monopoly. RTFD

      Anyway I agree with your point. Also, they construe lost sales always as piracy. What do we have to do? The less we buy, the more they cry PIRACY!

    24. Re:One slight problem... by MegaHamsterX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would tend to agree with you, except this.

      Napster let the cat out of the bag. I put it on the machine I built for my parents in the early days of Napster, expecting that she maybe possibly might use it, but not really expecting her to.

      She used napster until it's dying day, I haven't put another p2p on the machine (burn it on cd, remember the cd, remember to install, hamster is in my name for a reason), but I'd be willing to bet she would be downloading again. The nice VCR I bought her still flashes 12:00, but she can work the TiVo I gave her.

      So I believe the average technophobe has moved up quite a bit, if for no other reason than free and easy. We know most Linux users are all out for that free beer, which is why ESR might have a stroke one day while waving his banner.

    25. Re:One slight problem... by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1

      Better still, you might even get a role as a US-returned software engineer who's "separated by destiny and united by fate" with his dacoit brother in a Bollywood movie![1]

      Seriously though, Bollywood isn't all about mindless Hindi flicks; if you are really interested, there is a small, but growing, segment of low-budget, but intelligently-made, Indian English films who's appeal is more universal than the Hindi movies. Google for "Monsoon Wedding", "Bombay Boys", "Snip" (good stuff this!), "Bend it like Beckham" and others.

      The best part is, they are (possibly) not a part of the Indian version of the RIAA/MPAA as well!

      [1]- I didn't link to the IMDB entry primarily becaus there was less information there than in this review. Also, hate explaining jokes, but my pun will not be immediately apparent unless you've seen the movie; that Pat Cusick guy plays just the character I've described in the movie-in-the-movie.

    26. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vnv nation had copy protection? what label? surely not metropolis?

    27. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a billion dollars in losses, it is billion of dollars worth of un-tapped pocket books.

    28. Re:One slight problem... by tuba_dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Revenues are down due at least in part to their slowing of the release schedules for the major artists. According to the statistics, they started slowing down the release schedules about 9 months before they began their attacks. Slower releases mean less revenue, and since it's usually overlooked, it can be blamed on something else, like filesharing.

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    29. Re:One slight problem... by AftanGustur · · Score: 4, Interesting


      If file sharing is helping them out, why are revenues down?

      Crappy product ? Seriously how many artists have some kind of a "message" today ?? Very few, They all look alike and are as much food for the mind as corbonated water with colorants is to the stomach.

      Your arguement makes no sense. They had no copy protection and revenue went down.

      No, actually while they had no copy protection, the revenue was at a all time high. It didn't start going downhill until Napster was shut down..
      Personally I think that's a coincidence but people should remember the things as they were.

      Intuit started using copy protection and their revenue went down. Two entirely different situations.

      Says who ? The recording industry for sure, but they (belive they) have a good reason to want you to belive that .

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    30. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *shameless copyright violation*

      Actually it isn't. Your work is covered under Fair Use. The interesting thing is that you believed that you were committing an act of Copyright Violation, which if nothing else at least shows how effective the various media groups have been in twisting peoples ideas of Copyright into something far removed from reality.

    31. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When napster was big, they actually reportet huge increases in sales, even while yelling about lost sales due to napster. Just after they sued napster, and the same bunch of geeks that were buying all those extra CDs started boycotting the music industry, sales went down.

    32. Re:One slight problem... by m.o · · Score: 1

      That's not quite right, or at least not the full story. In fact, there are more studios competing in Hollywood than software firms producing tax software. The difference is that while tax software programs are close substitutes (I mean, personally, it makes no difference to me which one I use, and I have used both TaxCut and TurboTax in the past), movies are definitely not -- suppose (just for the sake of the argument) the Matrix trilogy is released on DRM-protected DVD. You're not going to just switch to Gone with the Wind; you'll still want the Matrix. In the lingo of economics, movie studios have "local monopolies"/"differentiated products", whereas tax software firms do not. Thus, it's easier for Hollywood to do nasty things like DRM.

    33. Re:One slight problem... by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

      No but they know how to go out to the street corner and buy a copied CD there.

    34. Re:One slight problem... by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      No no, they just blame the problem on pirating, rather then coming up with actual solutions

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    35. Re:One slight problem... by devilspgd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      heh. Personally I don't want to pay $15-$20, but I don't really want to pay $0 either, I'd be happy to throw some money to THE ARTIST. Personally, I'm not all that interesting in funding the RIAA...

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    36. Re:One slight problem... by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      #1) The DRM The Matrix, I'll pirate it. #2) They put annoying DRM, I'll not only pirate it, I'll preorder it the day it shows up on Amazon. Which option do they want?

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    37. Re:One slight problem... by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      Ture, but My sister has an iPod, she bought a CD which had copy protection and was UNABLE to load it onto her iPod. Now she is NOT a power user, she just follows the directions that came w/ the MAC/iPod. Plug in cable, insert CD, click button to copy songs to iPod. Now that it has failed on a Copy protected CD, she KNOWS what copy protection is and won't buy disks with it! So while many people arn't tech savvy enought to download/burn music, these are the people MOST alienated by copy protection. The people who DON'T copy music. The "good" customers, and they are most effected. The tech savvy who download/burn are also the ones who can easily copy protected CDs by getting around copy protection. SO the honest people get pissed, and the people who copy still copy. This will have a VERY similar long term effect to what Intuit saw w/ activation.

    38. Re:One slight problem... by Fesh · · Score: 1

      *chuckle* That's the other half of the joke.

      Satire is often hard to recognise for what it is.

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    39. Re:One slight problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They had no copy protection and revenue went down. Intuit started using copy protection and their revenue went down. Two entirely different situations.

      No, two identical situations. Intuit inconvenienced their customers with copy protection, sales went down. Record companies inconvenienced their customers with copyright protection, sales went down.

      I'll give you an example: I was going to buy a CD a few weeks ago. I went to amazon.co.uk, went to the page, and was about to click "add to shopping basket", when I noticed a warning - it's copy protected, and won't work in computers.

      So I downloaded it instead. I was ready to pay for it, all I had to do was click, and then I realised they didn't want my business. They have a monopoly on that album, I cannot buy it from another record company. It's either do without or infringe on their copyrights. And when the companies are acting like such complete and utter assholes, I have no problem with bending the rules.

      Of course, the standard claim is "but only pirates want to rip their CDs". No. I'm in front of a computer all day, it's my job. I listen to music all day. I'm not going to listen to the same dozen-or-so songs on the radio, and I'm not going to get up to pick out CDs every hour. I don't want a CD changer, the interfaces suck. My normal listening habits are to buy a CD, whack it into the computer, and drag the files across to my hard drive. Konqueror encodes them as ogg and adds the right information automatically. I then add them to XMMS, and I'm done.

      I am a music lover and I'm willing to pay for it if any of them will take my business - I should be treated with more respect than the contempt the record companies reserve for me.

    40. Re:One slight problem... by a1englishman · · Score: 1
      You'd only get true market freedom if multiple record companies could license an artist's material, and publish it at the same time. That way you could choose to purchase Columbia's version of Pink Floyd's Meddle, or RCA's version. One might come with a cool poster for $20, while the other might be a better pressing for $15.

      Unfortuately, I don't see this as being wholey pratical.

    41. Re:One slight problem... by geekee · · Score: 1

      I hate when people talk about wanting to reward an artist but not the person who took the real risks. You would not have heard of the artist in the 1st place if it wasn't for the record label. They gambled that the artist would be successful. In business, the person who risks the capital gets the lion's share of the profit. If an artists wants to mortgage his house to start his own label to promote his music, then fine, he deserves the money. Otherwise he's no different than a programmer getting a weekly paycheck for his work, while Gates, Jobs, etc. rake in all the money. They took the risks. Not the programmer.

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    42. Re:One slight problem... by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      I don't mind the record company making some money too, but lets be realistic here, the artist deserves a little cash of their own too, don't they?

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    43. Re:One slight problem... by MegaHamsterX · · Score: 1

      You know I was thinking about your comment, yeah copy protection may stop her from putting the music she would like to listen to on her ipod, she hasn't found kazaa yet, if she ever did install it and see that the songs she likes are up there - and free, she would likely never purchase a cd again. The record companies are getting what they deserve for not meeting customer demand, they should have been doing the Internet thing long ago, and they still aren't. DRM is for people who don't know any better, who volentarily wish to restrict their listening experience to just a few devices.
      Sorry, people buy music when they want to, not when they have to, it's not food.

      Now this all brings me back to the days of the good old C64 and Amiga.
      I didn't have any copy protection on my games, I didn't think them restricting my right to backup or archive them and destroy my drive was worth the purchase.
      If you ever owned a cbm drive, specifically the 1541 old style, you will remember the horrible grinding noises it made when dealing with a copy protected game, and the alignment problems that soon followed.
      Hey let's repeat that whole era when at user group meetings you would swap software, now we'll just swap music in it's place!
      Oh, and I stopped buying games after they started protection on cd games, I think diablo 2 not working in my 72X drive really put a bad taste in my mouth, I'll go back to not buying a damn thing with DRM or protection.

    44. Re:One slight problem... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1
      anti-trust laws have traditionaly been used very sparingly, a conservative/pro-big bussiness court is usually the reason why

      More specifically the jurisprudence of 'Chicago-School' lawyers (ie judges) such as Posner and Bork basically castrated anti-trust law. Part of their doctrine was to diffuse the idea that a monopoly was of itself a bad thing. It's illuminating to read the original Sherman Act and the debate surrounding it to see how far anti-trust law has been degraded from its original intention, which was to protect the kind of democracy made up of small independent businessmen from the onslaught of the giant corporation and the ineluctable errosion of democracy that would bring.

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  3. The problem is not entirly Hollywood's by TedTschopp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem can also be laid at the feet of the Copy protection software/hardware companies which see Hollywood an opportunity to sell their product into a new market.

    They have had a devil of a time trying to sell other software companies for the last 10ish years on the idea, but now they have a new market open and this market isn't as technically sauvey as the Software Industry was back in the late 80's early 90's when we all decided the copy protection wars were not feasible.

    Ted Tschopp

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    1. Re:The problem is not entirly Hollywood's by IO+ERROR · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Indeed. I remember the copy protection wars of the 80's. All that software copy protection did was annoy legitimate users and give warez traders an opportunity to learn how to reverse engineer. The companies that dropped copy protection stayed in business, as a general rule.

      Now the (MP|RI)AA are going to learn the same lesson the hard way, it seems. Though I predict that they just won't get it, and will go out of business. And honestly, I can't wait. When they go under, we'll have a lot less bad music and bad movies, and the good stuff will be easier to find.

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    2. Re:The problem is not entirly Hollywood's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's people like you that think racist jibes are funny and make me sick. You get your cheap laughs out of trying to make yourself look superior. You're no better than a school bully. If not for people like you, we wouldn't have had the widespread indifference to 'ethnic cleansing' this century.

  4. DVD's without protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wasn't there a DVD recently released of a major picture (Harry Potter?) that has no protection and the publisher said it just wasn't worth the effort?

    1. Re:DVD's without protection by agrippa_cash · · Score: 5, Informative

      That was without macrovision: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/13/1650225.shtm l?tid=172 They didn't want to pay the MV royalty. Tapes are a pain in the ass to copy and DVD's are encrypted. The bottom line involved was not one dictated by consumer satisfaction.

  5. Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit? by ryanr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, Hollywood is incapable of learning.

    But seriously, I joke, I kid...

    Hollywood will learn eventually, after they've been subjected to extreme pressure, loss of profits, and humiliating defeat of any copy protection mechanism they can devise. The same goes for any group of companies that have forgotten they exist because their customers allow them to, and not by some natural right.

    1. Re:Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit? by Saanvik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you think nobody will pay for DRM controlled entertainment because they don't like it, you're wrong. We're already doing things we don't like to do so we can see movies.

      • Do you dislike watching trailers in the theater?
      • Do you dislike the fact that when you watch a DVD, you often can't skip opening sections on a disk?
      • Do you still go to the theater and rent/buy DVDs?

      I have to answer yes to all those questions, and so do a lot of people. Why do you think DRM will be any different?

    2. Re:Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit? by ryanr · · Score: 1

      Why did DIVX fail? There is actually a point when even regular consumers will decline to put up with a certain level of crap.

    3. Re:Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit? by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >Do you dislike watching trailers in the theater?

      Not at all! I like them very much. Not the self-promotion in the local cinema's trailer, or the slideshow, but I do like the trailers. The ones that represent movies I dislike, I get to see what I'm not missing. All the groaning and cringing I would do during the movie, I'm done with, and I will NEVER be in a position where I think I might enjoy the film. The trailers for the films I *do* like, are part of the experience that is not included in the movie itself.

      I remember the first trailer for Alien, back in '77 I think. I knew that was a movie I had to see. Think about how you feel when you see clips for movies you really anticipate, like Star Wars (admit it), or LOTR.

      >Do you dislike the fact that when you watch a
      >DVD, you often can't skip opening sections on a
      >disk?

      What I dislike about it, is the theory that the production company owns both my DVD *AND* my $20.

      For rentals, I don't really give a crap. I think it would be cool if there was a writeable trailer section so the rental places could put localized adverts, current trailers, etc. It doesn't really bother me that I can't skip them, but it does bother me a lot that it's a crime in the US to make a device that can skip them. I don't really believe the DMCA will stand the test of time, but I also realize that "the test of time" takes a hundred years or more.

      >Do you still go to the theater

      Hardly ever. Only for the films that I really, really don't want to miss. The ones that come every 5-10 years, if that. LOTR. Maybe I'll go see the Matrix, probably not. Certain foreign films that I'll only ever see screened one time and might never make it to home video. This has more to do with my life priorities than my regard for the film industry.

      >and rent/buy DVDs?

      Again, there are certain films whose subjects or whose importantce transcend "entertainment" and are essential. I'd buy them for 4x the price. Rentals are cheap enough also, and I don't see the problem, DRM or no.

      My problem with the restrictions of digital copyright stems entirely from my views as a musician. I do not appreciate being constrained in my means of production by artificial barriers. Many of the barriers between amateur and professional music production are created specifically to raise the bar, and are not really based that much on technical merit.

      Also the whole attitude about copying music actually works against the independent artist who doesn't seek any money at all from his work, but would like it to be heard, shared, etc.

      Whenver I hear something that implies that "downloading copyrighted material" is always wrong, or a crime, I see red -- because that blanket statement would also cover my own copyrighted work. But what if I *want* it to be downloaded, P2P'd, etc? Copyright law is going in a direction that will severely curtail the rights of independent content producers.

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    4. Re:Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind trailers for movies. I do mind ads (especially the TV-style ones), and since the TV ads have shown up, I've gone to movie theaters a lot less.

      Between *cough*SSSCA*cough* and forced trailers, Disney has also lost a lot (though not 100%) of my business.

    5. Re:Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit? by tuba_dude · · Score: 1
      My problem with the restrictions of digital copyright stems entirely from my views as a musician.

      Thanks for that. You've stated almost my exact opinion a bit more eloquently than I would have. As a real artist, my primary concern is *not* profit, but making music. Music first, everything else later.

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  6. I use Activation schemes by Ark42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't see a problem with it. It prevents piracy and also leads to many *schools* to purchase more then 1 copy from me, as I can easily proove from my logs. I don't write to people's boot sectors or anything though - just some simple DSA PKI.

    1. Re:I use Activation schemes by Fallen_Knight · · Score: 1

      will your "actavation server always be up? you can't be sure of that. shit happens.

      unless you can solve that problem activation is just plain old bad/stupid

      but of course you don't care it's all about you, you could care less what happens to the customer who can no longer use what they paid for because the server is no longer up.

    2. Re:I use Activation schemes by nmos · · Score: 1

      It's your right to do that with your software but I can tell you that I go out of my way to avoid products that use copy protection/activation schemes. Sooner or later these schemes allways end up causing problems for legal users and reduce the value and reputation of your product.

    3. Re:I use Activation schemes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      usually a 30 day sliding window scheme will do it ok. if the activation server is down for more than 30 days you have more serious problems than product activation.
      the way to do it is :
      user types in activation sequence/installs software.
      software contacts server -- its down. software sets a 30 day expiring license.
      software checks server everytime its started -- server up, product is activated fully.
      if it cannot hit server in 30 days the software shuts down and encrypts data.

    4. Re:I use Activation schemes by Ark42 · · Score: 1

      Yes, they are always up, they run Linux ;-)
      Really though, you do get 30 days to use the program, activation is a one-time thing unless you reinstall. If I ever took down my website or something, I would be inclined to release the program as freeware and remove all activation code anyways. As long as I am selling it and responding to support emails and making money from the program, I will be here monitoring my servers as well.

  7. What lesson? by Telastyn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They'll learn that the copy protection mechanisms must be phased into use, and shouldn't provide enough drastic changes to enrage normally enthralled masses...

  8. Same news with a different spin. by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    Spin it again Sam.

  9. Fat Chance ... by molarmass192 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm sure the MPAA and RIAA will learn from this, NOT! Intuit has competition from Quicken, neither the MPAA or RIAA have competition in the sense of a true replacement product. Scooby Doo is not an acceptable replacement for The Matrix, just like Eminem is not an acceptable replacement for Christina Aguilera. The MPAA and RIAA will stop the fight when their coffers are bare and they're leveraged to the hilt. Is this "the smart thing" to do? No, but then again these guys are too stubborn to see a good thing when it keeps hitting them upside the head repeatedly. The idocy of their fight against un-DRM'd MP3s simply blows me away. They could have 98% of all the file sharers in their back pocket happily charging credit cards if they'd just stop being so friggen obtuse.

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    1. Re:Fat Chance ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Uhm, Intuit makes Quicken.

      Yeah.

      ac

    2. Re:Fat Chance ... by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Funny
      Intuit has competition from Quicken

      In the dog-eat-dog world of tax preparation software, there's nothing worse than being assaulted by a product made down the hall from you - which fits in an entirely different niche.

      Worse fate than death, I tell you.

      In the meantime, Intuit does have competition from H&R Block and a few others.

    3. Re:Fat Chance ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just like Eminem is not an acceptable replacement for Christina Aguilera
      You are forgetting the independent artists that are a suitable replacement. The problem is that the way the inudstry is set up, it's impossilbe to "make it" without RIAA/MPAA backing.

    4. Re:Fat Chance ... by Dirtside · · Score: 1, Funny
      In the dog-eat-dog world of tax preparation software,
      Given the much taxes I had to pay last year, I may well end up eating dog. Our neighborhood does have a lot of them... maybe I can get a job with Animal Control.
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    5. Re:Fat Chance ... by molarmass192 · · Score: 1

      Oops ... ummm ... ok ... bad example ... make that TaxCut and TaxACT then!

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    6. Re:Fat Chance ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Eminem and Christina Aguilera are not acceptable replacements for anything...

  10. One would think so by s4ltyd0g · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Except they've proven time and again how little regard they have for their customers. Personally I don't give a fsck anymore, they've already lost me. I don't do buisness with anybody that treats me like a criminal.

    1. Re:One would think so by DarthVeda · · Score: 0

      That's why I don't buy from places that keep their merchandise under lock and key! huzzah!

    2. Re:One would think so by sTavvy · · Score: 1

      Please tell me you didn't post that from IE on a Windows box.!
      like I did. but hey, this is a Govt. job and i don't really have a choice!

    3. Re:One would think so by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      You're joking, but I seriously will not buy something that I am forbidden to see before I've paid. I expect a sample of my deli meats and cheeses, produce, etc, which the merchants are happy to provide. If something is consumed by handling, I still want to get as close to handling it as is reasonable. Hiding the details of a transaction from me is unacceptable.

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    4. Re:One would think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You're joking, but I seriously will not buy something that I am forbidden to see before I've paid.

      You know, I had that experience at Compusa trying to buy a hard drive. They sit behind locked cases so I had to go ask some dumbass sales guy to get it for me, then he refuses to let me touch it! WTF? "I have to take this to the counter". What, I'm going to run out of the building with it in my pants? To top it off he spent almost five minutes trying to convince me I just HAD to have the Compusa maintenance plan for that hard drive. When I finally refused for the last time he gave me an angry look and told the cashier to stamp "REFUSED SERVICE PLAN" with a big ass red stamp. I almost told him to take the fucking hard drive and shove it up his ass. If I hadn't needed the god damn thing that day I would've just ordered it online and got it cheaper than they have it including the $150 worth of rebates. God I hate chain stores that treat you like a criminal.

    5. Re:One would think so by polymath69 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I seriously will not buy something that I am forbidden to see before I've paid.

      So, when you go to the theater, you pay for your films on the way out? Also with concerts, plays, rock tours, etc? Or do you just not go out? Maybe you rent movies but only pay for them at the time of return?

      Not trolling; sometimes we just have to buy things sight unseen. Do you have a telephone? Have you "seen" your telephone service with your eyes? (What's it look like?)

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    6. Re:One would think so by tuba_dude · · Score: 1
      Movies: Trailers. Concerts, tours: Heard at least one song on the radio/ commercials on tv, already like the band/bands. Plays: commercials usually show a scene or at least a clip.

      You got me on the phone thing tho. However, it is a utility and you usually have the experience of your friends to go off of.

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    7. Re:One would think so by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >when you go to the theater

      Did I say I went to the theatre, concerts, or plays?

      Well, I do some of those things, but
      they also fall under the category of things that are consumed by observation. I don't insist on unwrapping my Kit Kat Bar before I buy it either, but if the store expected me to pay for my Kit Kat, then wait in another line while someone unlocked the Kit Kat Kabinet, I would certainly not go through the experience twice.

      I would also point out that I do mail order items, and I find it more convenient than retail. I don't believe that takes away from my point.

      I once was buying a car from a new car dealer, where the dealer tried, at the last minute, to switch the sale to a car of a color I absolutely hated. He did not believe that I would back out of the sale so late in the process.

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    8. Re:One would think so by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Question: Did you ever go back to CompUSA?

      That is one of the few things that a store manager will respond to. They know that a customer who makes a lot of noise complaining, will probably come back again and again. Some of them do it because they enjoy complaining. (Work in a restaurant sometime, you'll see this effect routinely!)

      What worries them is the idea that customers are leaving dissatisfied after the first visit, and then never come back to their store.

      I hate being treated like a criminal too. I solve the problem by not shopping in those places.

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  11. Following in the footsteps by blogeasy · · Score: 0

    It is certainly quite possible that Hollywood will go through the same motions that Intuit did, and will soon find themselves in the same situation.

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  12. Ther big difference between movies and software by sould · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that Software has to be updated every few years. Software makers don't expect to pay coders a flat fee to produce a product and sit on the profits for the next 70+ years.

    Movie makers do. They pay artists a flat fee to make a movie, grab all copyrights & sell the movie for the next 70+ years.

    So - Software makers dont *need* DRM as much as movie makers.

    We're going to have to wait for (or force) a change in the (frankly corrupt) Hollywood business model.

    So. No. Hollywood won't learn.

    1. Re:Ther big difference between movies and software by Steveftoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only because software is so young and the technology moves fast.

      Also, most software written for PCes at least won't run on current machines without kludges. I mean it kinda works, but it's hard to integrate WordStar into a workflow with any new program. Basically, if you want to use old programs, you can only use old programs.

      And of course, most old games just don't work any more. Maybe wing commander one still works, but I don't know. Anyone tried to play Ultima One for the PC lately?

      PC software makers innovate because that's what everyone else is doing and it hasn't stagnated like movies have.

    2. Re:Ther big difference between movies and software by Romeozulu · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>They pay artists a flat fee to make a movie

      What?!? Have you ever heard of royalities? Actors get them, writers get them, directors get them, producers get them.

    3. Re:Ther big difference between movies and software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Have you ever heard of royalities? Actors get them, writers get them, directors get them, producers get them.

      In order: sometimes, not often, sometimes, and yes.

    4. Re:Ther big difference between movies and software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're approaching it from the point of view that the purpose of copyright is to lock in maximum profits. It isn't. It's to encourage creation of useful works and to make sure those works get into the public domain, rather than being locked up. Reasonable incentive consistent with public ends, NOT infinite incentive, is the goal.

      I'd be very surprised if any movie filmed today was green-lighted based on projections of revenue more than ten years out. Businesses today tend to be VERY focused on short-term results, to the extent that they consider anything beyond "this quarter" to be long-term.

      As long as that's the case, very long copyrights lock material away from the public without providing any incremental incentive to create. A studio that wants a >100 year copyright on a film would have made the film even if the copyright period was only the original 28 years. You know it, I know it, and they know it, whether they admit it or not.

    5. Re:Ther big difference between movies and software by Technician · · Score: 1

      Anyone tried to play Ultima One for the PC lately?

      Hmm, I don't have that one, however Adventure works great. I used to play it in the 70's on a PDP/11 Adventure came with my new copy of Slackware. I still get stuck in Wits End.

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    6. Re:Ther big difference between movies and software by wurp · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're quite hitting on the reason for big corporate push for longer copyright terms. It's not about them getting to make money in 70 years on what they're doing now, or even about retaining the rights to what they're doing now.

      Companies don't think in the long term, or, if they do, long term means 5 years or 10 years.

      You see, the problem is that media companies have spent years telling us what our culture is; what's cool and what's not. And they've told us that what they produce is cool. If products they produced 50 years ago become available, then those products will compete with their current products. And it's easy to find ten movies (or albums, or whatever) from a 20 year period that happened 40 or 50 years ago that compare very favorably to what we have seen in the last 5 years from the media industry.

      It's not about what happens to their current products in 50 years or 70 years. It's about what happens now to the products they produced 50 years ago.

      Of course, they can't argue this point of view - it makes it very obvious that they're just scared of competition, and in no way can copyright period extension be seen to "promote the progress of science and the useful arts".

  13. Keep dreaming by NetDanzr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It would be surely nice to see similar action being taken elsewhere, but I don't think it will happen.

    TurboTax is an unique piece of software in the sense that it has a very specific goal. It is used only once, and then it needs to be replaced by a newer version. Combine this with the fact that it would appeal even to users who would never install anything else on their computers, and you get a large number of disenchanted customers. You will never get the same protest base with programs like Windows, which come largely preinstalled, or different office suites, which the user installs and forgets, until he replaces the computer.

    As for entertainment products, there is a possibility of such a backlash only when the products don't work on common players. The people who want to play CDs on their computers may be vocal, but they are too small of a minority to hurt the companies' revenues signifficantly, in the case of a boycott.

  14. But....What if.... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Hollywood made a movie about this?

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    1. Re:But....What if.... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      ...Hollywood made a movie about this?

      Well, it would be in keeping with their stalwart insistence that the problems with DRM are entirely fictional...

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  15. French Class by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny
    piracy. But DRM, like a soufflé, is incredibly hard to get right

    So...

    DRM = soufflé

    soufflé = to blow (in French)

    Therefore, DRM Blows!

    And thats a wrap!

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  16. Its very simple by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    Software of all kinds is a tool. In general the more ways you can use a given tool the more valuable it is. Digital Restrictions tend to reduce the value of the things they are applied to. If you reduce the value of an item without reducing its price you shouldnt be surprised if you sell less.

    1. Re:Its very simple by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      people tend to view it as more bad since it's essentially more expensive to produce with lesser features.

      so they're paying for the development of something that they don't want in the first place. it's like paying for the ability to not be able to replicate your home apartments keys(but the mexican can do it anyways).

      if they truly intended to sell things cheaper once they get the drm working, then most could accept it without much grief, but since that's obviously not going to be the case..

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    2. Re:Its very simple by geekee · · Score: 1

      You forgot to include losses through theft. Paying a security guard to watch your merchandise doesn't increase it's value either, but if that expense kepps people from walking off with it, you increase your profit. The issue isn't black and white from a profit stand point.

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    3. Re:Its very simple by nmos · · Score: 1

      You forgot to include losses through theft. Paying a security guard to watch your merchandise doesn't increase it's value either, but if that expense kepps people from walking off with it, you increase your profit. The issue isn't black and white from a profit stand point.

      Then again if you piss off your paying customers all you'll be left with are the thieves.

  17. Boycott Intuit. by mrsam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been using TurboTax for eight years now. This "product activation" nonsense was a rude surprise for me this year. I certainly did my part in bitching, pissing, and moaning as loud as I could.

    And, I might take this opportunity to mention that product activation wasn't the only thing that made doing last year's taxes with TurboTax a completely disgusting, and revolting experience. Almost every other screen was filled with Intuit's sales pitches for other unrelated garbage that I didn't need, or want. First, Turbotax haggled me to upgrade to a premium version of TurboTax. All they want is my credit card number to "unlock" the extra crap; there's nothing to download. Of course, after reviewing the list of additional "features" in the premium version it was pretty clear that no more than, perhaps, 1% of people could possibly use it.

    Then, TurboTax haggled me to use Intuit's electronic filing service, against for a premium cost. Then, another sales pitch to upgrade to premium TurboTax features, Finally, TurboTax wanted me to pay for storing my tax return in an "electronic vault", for safekeeping (whatever the fuck it means).

    This year, doing my taxes was a totally nauseating experience. Literally, my wallet had a bullseye painted right on it, in bright red colors, and Intuit tried everything they could to grab as much of it as they can. I JUST WANT TO DO MY TAXES AND LEAVE MY WALLET ALONE.

    Intuit is hoping that this controversy is over. But I hope that it's not over. Even though Intuit is now furiously backpedaling and groveling that's not enough for me. I will follow through on my promise, and no matter how many times Intuit will now swear that their spyware/DRM is history, I will still use a competing product next year. And if I like it, I'll continue to use it. If not, I'll perhaps go back to Turbotax the following year.

    I firmly believe that Intuit should not be allowed to get a get-out-of-jail-free card simply by issuing a bunch of warm-sounding press releases, full of vague and nebulous promises. They must still have to deal with the consequences of their decisions, and I'm hoping that others feel the same way too, and will still use some other competing tax preparation package next year.

    1. Re:Boycott Intuit. by Jardine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Then, TurboTax haggled me to use Intuit's electronic filing service, against for a premium cost

      Your government doesn't have a free e-filing service? Every tax program in Canada will generate a .tax file which you can then upload to the government's site. The file is just a comma seperated file so any spreadsheet program should be able to read it. Something like 70% of the people in my area e-filed rather than mailing last year. I didn't realize the US was so far behind that you need a specialized service to do this.

    2. Re:Boycott Intuit. by IronClad · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I certainly did my part in bitching, pissing, and moaning as loud as I could.

      I did too, making a point that I had been their customer for 6 years straight. In fact, I don't thinks the issue is "Can Hollywood learn from Intuit?" Rather, the issue is, "Can Hollywood's consumers learn from Intuit's consumers?"

      Piss. Moan. Tell them about the titles you will *not* buy because of it. Compare them to seal-clubbers and boys who wear Jeff Foxworthy shirts to school. Tell your neighbor all about region coding. Send your congressman a voided check saying "this is what you would have got if not for your support of the DMCA (or replace with the name of your particular nasty legislation)."

      Even an issue backed by a silent majority of consumers will fail without a vocal minority getting the message across in this day of megacorps, highest-bidder legislation, and perpetual copyright.

    3. Re:Boycott Intuit. by ejasons · · Score: 1
      Your government doesn't have a free e-filing service? Every tax program in Canada will generate a .tax file which you can then upload to the government's site.


      Try to explain to me how such a free service could possibly benefit a corporation, and you'll see why such a free service isn't offered...

    4. Re:Boycott Intuit. by bla · · Score: 2, Informative

      >Your government doesn't have a free e-filing service?

      we do. this year i got blanketed by junkmail from the IRS telling me to "use e-file!" i assume turbotax is just preying on the ignorant or fearful ("i can't trust myself or my own computer, so i should trust a corporation's since they're sure to be secure").

    5. Re:Boycott Intuit. by Cyno · · Score: 1

      After mucking around with TurboTax for a couple years I just started doing my taxes by hand. You can download the forms from the IRS, print out the 10 neccessary forms and tables pages, and with a calculator complete your taxes in less time than it would take to read all the advertisements, type in your serial number and activation codes and click "No" through the 5 million popups to buy shit. What pissed me off was after an hour of doing all of that it prints out some forms I have to mail in. WTF? I thought it was supposed to be electronic. That was enough of that.

      Taxes are not difficult. Those forms were designed for the average American to do their taxes. They're really quite stupid. Its like hand holding through 2 or 3 simple math problems. The difficulty, for me, is reading through all that nonsensical verbage. I really wish people would get to the point more often and learn how to communicate effectively.

    6. Re:Boycott Intuit. by ErikTheRed · · Score: 1

      TurboTax isn't the only product that Intuit makes that forces you to put up with this bullshit. QuickBooks is just as bad - your screen is always littered with ads offering everything from overpriced check printing services to overpriced electronic payment systems. Bookkeeping with it is as obnoxious as surfing the web with Internet Explorer.

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    7. Re:Boycott Intuit. by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Since we pay so many taxes, they decided to make it easier for us to do so ;)

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    8. Re:Boycott Intuit. by mrsam · · Score: 1

      This is why last year I dumped Quickbooks (after using it for seven years) and switched to Peachtree.

      Yes, Peachtree is far more convoluted and obfuscated that Quickbooks. Quickbooks (at least up until Quickbooks 99, the last version I used before dumping it) is definitely much easier to than Peachtree.

      However, I'd rather stick to Peachtree, and my mind is at peace knowing that I'm not subject to privacy-invading spyware that phones home, and rest of Intuit's bullshit. Peachtree has a steep learning curve, but I'd rather put up with it than with Intuit.

    9. Re:Boycott Intuit. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Here in America we can only get a free e-file if we make $27,000 or less. Per a post following the previous Intuit story, seems our IRS has an agreement with various online tax prep companies, to ensure that they can all make a profit.

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    10. Re:Boycott Intuit. by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Every tax program in Canada will generate a .tax file which you can then upload to the government's site. The file is just a comma seperated file so any spreadsheet program should be able to read it.

      And if you can give me a good reason why Revenue Canada (or whatever abomination they've given their name to this year) doesn't let me do this WITHOUT buying $30 worth of throw-away software, I'll agree, it's peachy keen.

      Everyone harps about the US gov't bowing to corporations; where is the free online tax submission service in Canada? I can do it by phone for free, surely it isn't that much money to put this into html.

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    11. Re:Boycott Intuit. by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      Simple: if program A doesn't have this feature, I'll take program B that does. What was that concept called again?

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    12. Re:Boycott Intuit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The gov't is not allowed, by law, to compete with private enterprise.

      Besides, they key is to make so little money you don't even have to file a return.

    13. Re:Boycott Intuit. by QuackQuack · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, e-file from the IRS wasn't free it was $12 or something. Where's the incentive to use it? Faster refund? Right, I almost always owe them, so I sit on the money until April 15th (to get the extra interest that I'll have to pay them taxes on next year ;-) )

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    14. Re:Boycott Intuit. by QuackQuack · · Score: 1

      Besides DRM, the other annoyance in TurboTax for me this year was the way they handled the "Free State".

      In the past, you would get 1 free TurboTax state product when you purchased the Deluxe version. You could either download it, or pay a couple of bucks for a CD.

      This year, they still offered a free state, but you had to pay full retail for it ($29.95) from their web site, and send in a coupon for a rebate for it. Why? My only guess is to artificially boost their revenue figures (Intuit shareholders take note), and maybe hope that some people would forget to send in for the rebate.

      I'm with you, I will probably buy TaxCut next year instead. It's cheaper anyway.

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    15. Re:Boycott Intuit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you. If Intuit survives as a company, it shows others they can introduce spyware in their products, and if things don't work out they simply take them out and say sorry. I will never purchase from Intuit, any product, no matter what they put out in the future.

      BTW, I had a friend who lent me their turbotax CD about 6 years ago; but in recent years I had bought turbotax myself. Just too much trouble to get a copy from a friend. So undoubtedly in my case, being able to 'share' the CD with others led to increased revenue for Intuit over the long haul.

      Also, I used taxact (www.taxact.com) this year, which has a free version. I actually like it better than turbotax, much cleaner. Thanks, Intuit, for introducing me to your competitors.

    16. Re:Boycott Intuit. by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Even better! Use fill-in PDFs!

      The IRS, as well as my state ( Maryland ) make EDITABLE electronic forms available over the web. I know that Pennsylvania does the same, and likey many more states.

      Download the forms, and fill them out on the computer. Make a mistake? No need to start over.

      When you're done, print it out. All your numbers are in a nice, clean font. The only messy part is your signature.

      My only problem with this system is they don't let you save the edited version of the form, so if you make a mistake then want to fix it later you have to fill it all out again. But it's much better than doing it all on paper.

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    17. Re:Boycott Intuit. by Jardine · · Score: 1

      Looking at the netfile website most of the software available is free for those with a modest or low income. If you have more than a modest income, don't be complaining about a $30 piece of software. Paper filing and, as you said, telephone filing are free.

    18. Re:Boycott Intuit. by tibman · · Score: 1

      The Army does mine for free. My guess is that's because they know for SURE that they already took enough from me.

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  18. As simple as that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The FAQ:
    Q: Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit?
    A: No.

    1. Re:As simple as that! by Erbo · · Score: 1
      Um, it goes more like this...

      Q: Can Hollywood learn from Intuit?
      A: That's not the right question.
      Q: Well, what is the right question, then?
      A: The right question is, "Will Hollywood learn from Intuit?"
      Q: Oh, OK, then. Will Hollywood learn from Intuit?
      A: That would be...no.

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  19. I'm Quite Sure Holywood Is Learning by limekiller4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article:
    "Customer reviews on Amazon.com (AMZN) tell the tale. For the 2001 version of TurboTax (which had no activation feature), the average customer-satisfaction rating was four and a half stars. For the activation-enhanced 2002 edition, the average rating dropped to one and a half stars, and the reviews bore titles such as "scumbags," "disaster," and, perhaps presciently, "the demise of TurboTax.""

    I think the lesson the DRM-and-associated industries will take from this is the Boiling Frog story.

    For those not familiar with it (there might be a few), the theory goes that if you put a frog into a pot of boiling water it will immediately jump out. If you place that frog in a pan of warm water and slowly raise the heat to boiling, the thing won't budge until it's dead (and then it still won't budge. =)

    In other words, the lesson learned is "erode their rights slowly, don't yank the carpet out from under them all at once. Start with the minor potatoes like so-called "fair use." They're entitled to protection from litigation if they're copying something for their own use but that doesn't mean we have to make the item copyable so we can leverage the DMCA for all it's worth. The politicans are cheap. Consider them as insurance or rent money -- just another cost of doing business. The consumer (and oh how I love that word) won't even know they have rights nevermind miss them in 20 years. Just do it slowly."

    Oh yeah. Holywood can learn. The question is "can we?"

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    1. Re:I'm Quite Sure Holywood Is Learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:I'm Quite Sure Holywood Is Learning by sigs+only · · Score: 1

      without mod points it isn't :(
      btw - doing both is even harder

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    3. Re:I'm Quite Sure Holywood Is Learning by horza · · Score: 1

      I think the lesson the DRM-and-associated industries will take from this is the Boiling Frog story.

      For those not familiar with it (there might be a few), the theory goes that if you put a frog into a pot of boiling water it will immediately jump out. If you place that frog in a pan of warm water and slowly raise the heat to boiling, the thing won't budge until it's dead (and then it still won't budge. =)


      You failed to point out that this is an urban legend (or this link is funnier as they actually tried it).

      Phillip.

  20. ... if they have the sense. by nettdata · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, they have more "cents" than "sense", so I doubt things will change any time soon.

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  21. Provide competition for the RIAA by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One might argue that this is because Intuit has competition, while Hollywood is in fact several dominant companies working together in a de facto monopoly.

    Providing an alternative to the MPAA that will be as attractive to an average consumer is not really feasiable, but for the RIAA it can be done.

    Imagine a P2P sharing network that contains only legal content (how? probably something to do with only allowing non-anonymous posting, and a DMCA-protected login (flame away), among other things). Consumers have a legal, non-threatening way to get so much new music RIAA can feel a two-digit-percentage sales drop (on top of the current situation). You'll effectively be cutting off the RIAA's "ear supply", if you will.

    In less than a year, they'll sign up for accounts to post some of their own tainted music.

    1. Re:Provide competition for the RIAA by geekee · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Like people are going to download music they've never heard before instead of what they hear on the radio. The RIAA makes money by sorting through the crap, picking bands they think people will like, and promoting them. That's their contribution to the music field. I won't even go into the economics of bands producing music with no chance to earn money from their work.

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    2. Re:Provide competition for the RIAA by zurab · · Score: 1

      Imagine a P2P sharing network that contains only legal content (how? probably something to do with only allowing non-anonymous posting, and a DMCA-protected login (flame away), among other things).

      This type of system would actually be fair if, and only if, the underlying copyright and other IP laws were fair also. DMCA is not fair, it's even unconstitutional; copyright laws are not fair, it's not fair that congress can extend copyright unlimited times; nothing will ever go into public domain this way and be "legal".

      Bring back 10-20 year copyrights, get rid of most types of patents, bring back fair use, and then we'll talk about fairness of the system you describe.

    3. Re:Provide competition for the RIAA by TyrranzzX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you suggesting a 2nd cartel that competes with the RIAA to be more evil and put out music so horrible as to make a soda can bleed?

      In all actuality, the internet itself is huge competition for the RIAA and major media organizations, and the only reason they aren't doing poorly financially is because (big suprise here) mainstream media companies don't report on what they are doing bad and they already have name. Going to MSNBC and beliefing whatever they tell you is so much easier than using google to do research on something and coming up with an opinion on it.

      The only point when they will see a huge drop in sales is when a kid puts a music CD into his computer and is asked to register it in order to be allowed to play it or puts a music cd into their walkman and finds out it doesn't play. They will, as most sheeple do, ask their geeky friends for help of whom they never listen to or care about, and becuase we're all socially starved psychopaths, we'll tell them the truth and suggest a filesharing app, and some bands.

      And at which point they will type in "metal" or "techno" and find the stuff all the geeks like, which is actual music not pop music made by some gal *cough*Spears*cough* who gets shuffled around by helicopter from execuitive to execuitive handing out blowjobs.

      The internet cuts out the middleman; them. They stand to loose everything they have if they can't lock down on this new medium. Special interest groups stand to loose a lot, political groups stand to loose a lot and large companies stand to loose a lot. Afterall, most bands that are smalltime like the exposure on a peer 2 peer application. They can stick performance dates in and make some moolah as well as have people buy recordings. No need for the RIAA atall. Linux is getting better by the hour; no need for M$oft in a year or 2. And if you try to pull something on the public, they will write their friends in otuer countries; good luck trying to keep that one bottled up.

    4. Re:Provide competition for the RIAA by richieb · · Score: 2, Informative
      Imagine a P2P sharing network that contains only legal content

      Hmmmm.... you mean like etree.org

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    5. Re:Provide competition for the RIAA by schmink182 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Two points:

      The RIAA makes money by sorting through the crap, picking bands they think people will like, and promoting them.
      To be more accurate, the RIAA makes money picking the bands that most people will like enough to buy the album. This is different, in that someone who really likes one style of music won't be pleased, as the music they find of that style will have other styles blended in for largest audience.

      I won't even go into the economics of bands producing music with no chance to earn money from their work.It is not necessarily true that bands who give away their music legally on the internet can't make money. System of a Down recently released an album on the internet along with the actual physical album. I don't know the exact numbers but they sold pretty well.

    6. Re:Provide competition for the RIAA by nmos · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The RIAA makes money by sorting through the crap, picking bands they think people will like, and promoting them. That's their contribution to the music field.

      Only in approximately the same sense that McDonalds does this for food. It makes them a safe choice but not necessaraly the best, or even good.

      I won't even go into the economics of bands producing music with no chance to earn money from their work.

      The vast majority of bands allready do this.
  22. I remember a quote from Jack Valenti by Rai · · Score: 1

    From an article in Time Magazine (I think) where he said "If we have to file 1,000 lawsuits a day, we'll do it!"

    That was a couple a years ago and the subborn old man has learned nothing.

  23. Another article by simenon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This time about why inuit would do the whole product activation scheme in the first place: www.gripe2ed.com

  24. Why.. by eric256 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    do these industries continue to alienate there target audience?

    I mean software companies would rather sell you a product every year than once for life. (Not including M$ wich wants to sell you 1 product for life.....every year.) Why don't the music and movie companies see this?

    I am not a real music person but there are several songs I would enjoy owning, but only if i can get them for a reasonable price. I mean I would be happy to pay a couple bucks to download a song, so long as i can then do whatever i want with it.

    My VCR's whole function is to record, TV's, music, etc. So why suddenly do they expect us to pay for everything, every time we want to use it, and to pay more. This whole fight has been had before and its obvious who one, since we all own VCR's (well the majority do), and tape decks. Most of us even have photocopiers at work etc. In all those cases, tape, cassete, book/magazine, if it is something we want and we can purchase it for a reasonable price then we do so. We don't photocopy a 5$ paper back because that would be stupid. You go buy the book.

    When record and movie companies remember that then they can drop this whole scam. Until then pirates/hackers/everybody will do what gives us the best return for our investment.

    So the real question becomes, not will they learn, but when will they learn, and more importantly how do we help them learn?

    1. Re:Why.. by Eristone · · Score: 1

      How to help them learn? How about this:

      Everyone that agrees to cooperate purchases a known "crippled" CD from their local record store on a specific day. Attempt to play it in their computer. Next day, go to local court and file a small-claims suit against the record company selling the defective CD for fraud and deceptive marketing to recoop the cost of the CD plus the cost of the computer tech that tested your CD drive to make sure it's good. ($125 or so for diagnositcs and the house call...)

      200-300 lawsuits hit the record company the same day. They don't have the staff to go through all of that... DDOS the legal department.

  25. Hollywood... learn... by CanSpice · · Score: 4, Funny

    These two words to not go together.

  26. We knew it all along, and they still don't get it. by Rimbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a small article in a relatively unknown magazine, and even there, Intuit's claim that the consumer backlash was "completely unexpected" tells the real tale:

    They still don't get it.

    This isn't about technology, rights or anything. This is about simple plain good business sense. This is about bad management. It is a fallacy for a company to think that their product is so delightful that people will put up with being treated like a criminal for the right to use it. Intuit only has one major competitor (H&R Block's Taxcut). The RIAA has thousands of small labels that are chomping at the bit in anticipation of the market the big labels are about to surrender.

    The nice thing about a market economy is that the RIAA's folly is our opportunity. It's actually in the small labels' best interests for the RIAA and Microsoft to continue down the DRM path.

    So let's keep this news quiet, okay?

  27. Can Hollywood Spare A Change by nemski · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Can Hollywood change? I doubt it, so the onus is on the public -- the music buying and movie buying public -- and the artists who particpate in the new technology like Phish and Pearl Jam. If the fans support musicians who have embraced technology, then Hollywood will change. Now, don't get me wrong, they will change only when they see they can get a buck out of your pocket.

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  28. the real question... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    "Can Hollywood learn?"

  29. Every few years by coljac · · Score: 1

    That's not really true. Sure, TurboTax I'd have to update every year because the tax laws change, but if I'm making, say, a game, I need to rely on making nearly all my sales in the next few quarters, just like with a music CD or new movie. There's no "update" in a year unless I've made a whole new game. Software makers have much more of a vested interest in copy protection than the movie industry, I reckon; a pirated VCD doesn't compare to a good cinema.

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    1. Re:Every few years by Ironica · · Score: 1

      I need to rely on making nearly all my sales in the next few quarters, just like with a music CD or new movie.

      Difference being: you might be able to re-release your game 20 years later as a "classic," *if* it was really tremendously successful and you bundle it properly... and you'll make not very much. Disney can re-release their animated features about every 16 years to a whole new crop of kids, and make consistently strong box-office grosses. And it is those kinds of expectations that have broken copyright for all practical purposes.

      Let's establish a cap. After you've made your production costs plus some obscene amount of profit, you're in the public domain... whether it's been nine weeks or ninety years. And let's have some distinction between "art" and "commercial entertainment" while we're at it. A movie or album produced by a giant company for the sole purpose of making lots of money does not need the same brand of protection as a unique sculpture or painting produced as a form of expression.

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    2. Re:Every few years by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Disney, Yes. Everybody else... the value of their IP depriciates.

      That's really the bottom line; everything depriciates, and the copyright should respect the fact that the value of a movie or any other IP is reduced over time, as new products come out, and as tastes and needs change.

      Every so often, you get a band or movie that has a cult attraction, but the laws should not be based on the exception to the rule.

    3. Re:Every few years by jpt.d · · Score: 2, Funny

      But I thought movies never made any 'profit'.

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    4. Re:Every few years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heres a better cap.
      20 years. no exceptions.
      simple, to the point and gets the job done.

    5. Re:Every few years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good idea, but too easy. Congress will never go for it. Figure out some way to put pointless equations in there and you stand a much better chance.

    6. Re:Every few years by Ironica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every so often, you get a band or movie that has a cult attraction, but the laws should not be based on the exception to the rule.

      The MPAA would not care one whit about piracy if it relied on initial box office to line their pockets. A whole lot of the gross revenue from your typical movie is expected to come from video sales, television licenses, and so on.

      IP can depreciate or appreciate over time. The Star Wars franchise isn't a case of no depreciation; it's worth a whole lot MORE than it was when it was first released. But what I was trying to point out is, these "exceptions" are more a commercial phenomenon than an artistic/creative one. Part of the problem with copyright is that it treats all creation, regardless of purpose, producer, or medium, the same. But there's a whole world of difference between the IP protection needs of a sculptor, a progr^H^H^H^H^Hsoftware engineer and a multi-million-dollar movie machine. Those "exceptions" are what everyone in the Industry is working their asses off to create. When it happens, it's not a fluke, it's a success. The rules *should* take into account the overt goal of the work, IMO.

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    7. Re:Every few years by Ironica · · Score: 1

      20 years. no exceptions.
      simple, to the point and gets the job done.


      Does it? There are plenty of authors out there who never wrote a bestseller, but finally after 30 years of publishing every so often their royalty checks get to the left of the decimal point. What if someone comes up with an idea, messes around with it, then drags it out 17 years later and finally works it into something complete?

      There are reasons our current copyright law is ridiculously convoluted, but I contend that one of the main reasons is that we try to create a single rule and apply it to vastly different situations. By taking into account the commerciality of a work and how much money it has actually made, we can come up with a law that protects art and creativity as it was intended, without sheltering huge corporations from having to do anything useful after the first five years.

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  30. will Intuit learn from Hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is the 48 hr CD of TurboTax on it's way?

  31. They won't learn by ShatteredDream · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They can't even grasp basic economics. They flood the market with trash like Dumb and Dumberer and Final Desination 2 and wonder why, according to Jack Valenti (can he be trusted at all?), they gross an average of only $52M a year. The movie studios basically know how to make a movie that will bring in heaping piles of cash. Look at the Matrix and LOTR. The problem is that they are so greedy that they can't accept that at the end of the day, if they produce a few good movies a year and call it even, they will more likely than not come out ahead more easily than if they put out many times that.

    The music industry has an excuse, music fans are often fickle and can throw out a band after one CD because their style "isn't cool anymore." Most music is disposable because people don't want anything artistic or refreshingly original. I listen to old stuff by The Cult occassionally as well as more recent stuff like Stabbing Westward. You don't see that kind of rock anymore. It's the same tuned-down, crunch-your-head-off distortion filled, 3 power chord bullshit. I mean WTF is up with a band like the All American Rejects? I just started playing bass a week ago after having been playing guitar on a semi-active basis for 5 months and can play at least one of their bass lines they're that fucking simple! Swing, Swing has only 4 notes in the entire bass line and you just hit them as 8th notes in sets of 8. Again, pathetic... even I a total newbie write cooler bass lines than that. I want my recording contract now that I know that the bar has been thrown out, not lowered.

    The IP cartels are greedy and they're not bound to full market forces. Whoever heard of a Korn CD competing with a TRUSTCompany CD? They don't, except for this week's $15 allowance. Buy one this week, buy the other next week. They won't learn because the government is going to step in like a good fascist state and save them from the pirhannas of capitalism that are now about to descend upon them. America will slip backward, other countries will take our economic lead, but a bunch of neocons will be able to sleep peacefully at night knowing that the market is safe for Britney Spears and Limp Bizkit. Too bad that a bunch of our IT sector will be in ruins and our economy's growth will be fizzling out. "Property rights" will be have been protected, except for your right to modify your DVD-R/RW or DVD player so it can play non-CSS DVD-Rs. Hey, property rights in the neocon world belong only to those who produce, not those who consume.

    I'm a neo-liberal/libertarian and yes, I openly and freely admit that I vehemently hate neo-conservatism and wish enlightenment for them first, and if that doesn't work a pox on them.

    1. Re:They won't learn by geekee · · Score: 1

      So you're saying Hollywood's problems are not related to copy protection, but qulality of product. BTW, liberal != libertarian. Libertarians are in much better agreement with conservatives than liberals on a number of issues.

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    2. Re:They won't learn by tuffy · · Score: 1
      The movie studios basically know how to make a movie that will bring in heaping piles of cash. Look at the Matrix and LOTR.

      Oddly enough, LotR is almost entirely a product of New Zealand and the Matrix is mostly Australian. Neither of them are genuine "Hollywood" movies, but both trilogies promise to be big successes. Perhaps Hollywood should learn from them, too.

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    3. Re:They won't learn by jamesmrankinjr · · Score: 1

      So what's a neocon, anyway? This term is being overused to the point that for many it means nothing more than "bad person".

      Best,
      -jimbo

  32. TurboTax Film is not a good analogy by Saanvik · · Score: 1

    TurboTax is not too special, there are several other similar applications, as well as businesses, that will do your taxes. You don't like dealing with the DRM in TurboTax, you use some other service.

    Only Warner Brothers will make the Matrix. If you don't like what Warner Brothers is doing with the Matrix and DRM, you're only choice is to get a copy of questionable legality (ripped, filmed in theater, etc.).

  33. Wow by Hal+The+Computer · · Score: 1

    People on slashdot can speak a non freedom launguage?

    (It's a joke, please don't try to shock and awe mod me ;-) )

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    1. Re:Wow by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
      Of course the really funny part is that souffle is one of maybe 3 French words I know. The only reason I know it is that when I found out that souffle was the French word to blow in High School, I promptly started asking girls if they wanted to souffle me;-)

      "Souffle moi?"

      *Slap*

      Maybe this explains why I only really dated Rosie Palm and her five sisters in High School...

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  34. OH I love this comment! by ehudokai · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "The customer reaction was unexpected."

    They really thought that creating softwer that when installed actually wrote something on my MBR was not going to upset me?


    How dumn are they?


    Up till this year I used turbotax for the past several returns, but this year I use TaxAct. And although their interface was not as nice as turbotax, it saved me money and didn't tamper with my machine!

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    1. Re:OH I love this comment! by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

      You have of course, ASS-U-ME'd the decision makers in question know what a MBR is...

      "You don't want to use that DRM thing sir."
      "But it will protect our rights."
      "Don't you know it writes to user's MBR?"
      "Of course I do. What's an MBR?"

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    2. Re:OH I love this comment! by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >What's an MBR?

      Something that if you mess up, I won't be able to fix for you. (Drawing the line between what I will ("can") fix and won't ("can't") fix works wonders for me.)

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    3. Re:OH I love this comment! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      [laughing] That's kinda like what I tell my clients: you can buy any modem you want, but I'll only support a USR. [g]

      Hmm. What happens if on a TTax-DRM'd system, someone runs FDISK /MBR ??

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  35. Maybe timothy & slash readers should read firs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative



    Think Intuit is giving up on drm?

    Maybe timothy and the slashdot crowd should check their facts first, before crediting Intuit with anything.

    Looks like Intuit's spin is working wonders.

  36. No DRM a mistake for Intuit too. by geekee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Intuit's problem was that their DRM was too restrictive. They need a way to allow the sw to be installed on 3 computers for instance, but no more. Then people couldn't complain about legitimate uses of the sw being hampered. However, Intuit is still losing money on people passing the sw around the office, etc., so to maximise profit they need some less noticeable DRM.

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    1. Re:No DRM a mistake for Intuit too. by mad.frog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely. The problem wasn't the activation process per se, but the fact that it was actively annoying to typical users... it's as though they decided on a particular license to enforce, without actually examining how legitimate users were really using the software.

      Rule #1 of all DRM schemes should be to make 'em just restrictive enough to keep the honest users honest... since the crooks will find a way to rip you off no matter what.

  37. Why bust on the RIAA? by geekee · · Score: 1

    The RIAA had no copy protection on CDs, and suddenly profits started decreasing (coincidently around the time Napster came out). Apparently, no copy protection isn't the answer either to maximize profits.

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    1. Re:Why bust on the RIAA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Profits started decreasing AFTER napster was reduced to slag, you apologist fuck-o.

    2. Re:Why bust on the RIAA? by geekee · · Score: 0

      But they're lower than before Napster got started dumb-ass.

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    3. Re:Why bust on the RIAA? by bucky0 · · Score: 1

      I'm not trolling, but could you provide a site that has that statistic and others? (It's helpfull when talking to people about the madness that is the RIAA)
      Thanks,

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    4. Re:Why bust on the RIAA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Profits are down in companies across the board, you dumbass. It's called A RECESSION! People don't have as much discretionary income, so OF COURSE they aren't going to continue to blow a hundred bucks a week at Sam Goody!

    5. Re:Why bust on the RIAA? by geekee · · Score: 1

      CD sales increased in the early nineties during that recession. How does your theory explain that?

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    6. Re:Why bust on the RIAA? by geekee · · Score: 1

      Also, since Kazaa etc has more traffic then Napster ever had, shouldn't sales be increasing even more now by your theory? They're not. Here's an interesting article

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    7. Re:Why bust on the RIAA? by geekee · · Score: 1

      Here's some data. The total cd + cassette sales actually appears almost flat throughout the 90s. However, it drops significantly in 2002 and 2003. Now, the economy was pretty bad in the early nineties, but that seems to have had no effect on music sales overall. So I don't buy the arguement that music sales are down now because of the economy.

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  38. ..No, because it doesn't have to... by phuturephunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ..Users of the Turbotax software can be considered outside the realm of normal consumers..There's a big difference between the mindsets of a person who goes out to buy a tax package to use for Uncle Sam's extortion and your garden variety 1337 kiddie trading DVD rips on IRC rather than taking a trip to the Suncoast to buy it..Apples and Oranges man, apples and oranges.. ..See, I look at it like this: Most Turbotax users are going to be pretty saavy at doing their taxes no? They're probably middle income with some post secondary education, and they're spending hard earned money on a tool thats going to help them go through an experience which, given the choice between tax time and a root canal with a rusty pair of pliers..the pliers win..The majority of people sucking up entertainment media are NOT of that mindset..(One only has to look to reality TV to see this..)..

    Dare I say it, but I believe MOST people wouldn't really make a protest at this..Yeah yeah, the ocean of geeks freqenting this site would disagree, but keep in mind that this is NOT indicative of the American Mindset..Most suck up whats on the TV set as truth and don't question..If the company tells them to go out and buy a DRM approved player, they're going to do it because they can't even CONCEIVE of bucking the trend for a brighter day, much less form any kind of resistence to the status quo...

    The two products (Tax Software Vs. Your Favorite Movies) are fundamentally different in design and need as well..Entertainment, due in no small part to the structure that media has set up for itself is a fleeting thing..People want spectacular *POP* to everything that they buy, but having that puts one in the mindset that they shouldn't have to pay a great deal for it, or give any creedence to its artistic merit (which, nowadays in movies and music, there is little..)..Chances are if told that they have to obey the copy protection, given the price is right, they'll do it..Whereas with tax software, because of the above mentioned psychology, the anxiety level when dealing with the product itself is MUCH higher..(Now what 13 year old girl is REALLY gonna become the next Che Guevera of the digital world because she can't rip her favorite N'sync CD to a non-DRM MP3 player? Chances are, she's just gonna get mommy or daddy to buy the pass to use it on said MP3 player in addition to the home stereo..)..

    Apples and Oranges...

  39. Re:We knew it all along, and they still don't get by jchernia · · Score: 1

    FWIW this story wasn't buried. When I submitted this to Slashdot on Friday, it was on the MSNBC site here.

    It was also in the Wall Street Journal on Friday here. [paid subscription]. It appeared in the print version too.

  40. On the other hand... by bergeron76 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could easily backfire and put more power into the hands of MSFT. Since they're currently the only (IFAIK) OS distributor that is "enabling the consumer by adding DRM to the core OS", some software companies may turn to them in an effort to protect their stranglehold on consumers. I'm not necessarily saying that TurboTax was doing this, but the RIAA certainly is; and as such, they're very likely to help push MSFT's propaganda and ultimately help proliferate DRM.

    Here's the bottom line, if we (media users) don't act responsibly and avoid the urge to pirate videos, music, and software (at least buy it or otherwise support the creator somehow), these companies will force DRM onto us.

    As consumers we do have significant "wallet" power, however, if we don't act responsibly, the powers that be will make sure that we do [act responsibly].

    Call me conservative, but the creators of digital content (videos, audio, etc) should be able to make a living; however, they also shouldn't be able to destroy consumers by partnering with an unavoidable monopoly either.

    If we don't take responsibility for our actions (and our peers' actions) now, we can't complain about losing our [said] rights in the future.

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    1. Re:On the other hand... by dentar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Significant wallet power means not buying their tripe, and making sure they know it.

      Significant wallet power also went to Apple's new site to download buck a piece songs. Apple has already sold millions of them.

      The market has spoken and RIAA/MPAA -STILL- hasn't listened to it.

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    2. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call me conservative, but the creators of digital content (videos, audio, etc) should be able to make a living

      This is /. isn't it? You're supposed to be ranting that music, movies, and anything else creative and therefore non-physical is worthless and should be free.

      Or did I stumble onto the wrong site?

    3. Re:On the other hand... by gordguide · · Score: 1

      An interesting post, and I don't want to take away from your point, which is well reasoned.

      " ... Here's the bottom line, if we (media users) don't act responsibly and avoid the urge to pirate videos, music, and software (at least buy it or otherwise support the creator somehow), these companies will force DRM onto us. ..."

      However, I must disagree with the implication that if we all acted like good citizens, DRM is dead. DRM is about what could happen, not what actually happens. As others have mentioned, copy protection and other limits are as old as the floppy itself with regard to commercial software. It's a given that some vendors will employ it, because:
      They can envision a situation where rights could be easily circumvented (even if it had so far never happened); and:
      They can employ methods to interfere with the circumvention of those rights;
      Then it is prudent to consider the potential problem and proposed solutions, and to implement solutions after considering the issue and it's implications, such as cost vs potential lost revenue (lost revenue whether by loss of potential sales or by alienation of existing customers, or some other means).

      I don't want DRM. But I'm not the CEO of a software or media company; if I were it would be my duty to consider them.

      Nor am I head of Microsoft; but MS clearly feels that it can gain a toehold on Internet technologies by making an attractive DRM system built into the OS. What reasonable CEO would offer his movies and music in anything other than the dominant, MS-supported, DRM-managed format?

      It even has the (not insignificant) advantage of placing blame somewhere else. "We don't use MS Media-whatever for our downloads because of DRM, we use it because most of our customers yadda yadda yadda ..."

      DRM is about MS dominating a part of IT where other compainies have irritatingly provided competing technologies that run on both MS and non-MS systems. The debate is over (at least within MS); it's coming because it offers MS a competitive advantage (or at least a feature that equals others, which are coming or implemented now, as well).

      Copyright entails competing rights (consumers and content creators both have rights under law) and although your "good community" model is laudable, it's irrelevant to what is actually going to happen next; at least some people in a small, tightly knit and safe community will still walk around with the car keys in their pocket, not in the ignition.

      I think it's more important that we insure that DRM does not erode the rights we currently have as consumers and citizens; after that I'm afraid that's all we can do.

  41. Are they blind? by cmkrcs1 · · Score: 1

    I think the question still is will they learn.

    Its almost like they're blind. They just don't see when someone straight tells it to them. They keep saying stuff like there's no problem with sales, its just all those pirates. But the pirates are pretty much everyone, and there is a problem with sales. If they lowered prices their profit on each item would fall ,of course, but more people would feel that its worth it to go buy music or movies. If you want one CD, $20 might not seem like alot. But then you want another CD. Another $20. There's another CD you want. $20 again! $60 total! It adds up quickly. And you probably only wanted a few songs from each CD.

    Movie companies think they can justify the price for a DVD with all the extra features. Does anyone really want to see how the actors messed up durring the shooting or hear what the director thinks of everything or see the scenes that weren't put in the actual movie? I sure don't! If I really want a song or a movie, I'll go find it on the internet. And even before the internet, ever since VCRs and tape recorders were invented, people like my dad has been recording music and movies off the TV and radio. If he hears a song he likes he'll much rather wait untill its played again on the radio and record it. He has hundreds of tapes of music that he got for just the price of blank tapes and his tape deck.

    Will they learn? Maybe, if they ever gain enough intelligence to see their need for laser sugery. Will that happen? God only knows.

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    If Windows is running and there's no one there to use it, does it still crash?

    cmkrcs1 was here.
    1. Re:Are they blind? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      "If they lowered prices their profit on each item would fall ,of course, but more people would feel that its worth it to go buy music or movies."

      Do you have any numbers to back up your theory of the demand curve? A good controlled study that showed you were correct would be worthy of a journal article, if not a Ph.D.

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    2. Re:Are they blind? by bucky0 · · Score: 1

      It's not a direct correlation but the 'laffers curve'(sp?) might fit with what he's saying

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    3. Re:Are they blind? by eric256 · · Score: 1

      Yea numbers that agreed with that would be nice. On the other hand wouldn't the music industries own claim that they are loosing business be supportive of the idea. It seems obvious to me that the only reason people don't buy they music is because they don't beleive they get there value out of it. I mean you don't go steal $.99 cheeseburgers. You don't even try and scam them free it would be rediculous. Another point would be that i happily pay $10 per DVD with no qualms at all. I might even pay $20 per DVD for new release but with movie prices on the rise i'm more likely not to. Any one have ideas where you would get those kind of numbers? or even how to do a sort of survey?

    4. Re:Are they blind? by cmkrcs1 · · Score: 1

      OK I'll admit I don't have any statistical evidence, but a lot of people I know would agree with me. If someone performed a study like that, I'm pretty sure it would back up what I said, but I'll leave it to someone else to actually do the study.

      I guess this is one of those millions of times in my life where I could be wrong.

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      cmkrcs1 was here.
  42. Re:Maybe timothy & slash readers should read f by estes_grover · · Score: 1

    Think Intuit is giving up on drm?

    Now that was a nice link! As a poster observed above, the lesson Intuit learned was don't do it all at once. I.E., DRM nasties on the MBR right now. It kinda reminds when a lot of the banks moved their credit card operations to South Dakota. Big consumer backlash. So they just sat tight for a few years and did it anyway. Intuit will do the same; just sit tight for a couple of years and ease in some new form of copy protection.

  43. Tax software, however, is a cash cow by John3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Intuit gets to sell you the same software each year with minimal changes. Sure they create bloatware versions with videos and extra garbage that nobody uses, but the core product is the same thing they were selling five years ago. They update the tax tables, make the changes for any changes in the law, and sell you the product all over again.

    Intuit realized that many customers were sharing their product with others and that probably looked like lost profits.

    But if someone lets a few others copy TurboTax, odds are one or two of those people will buy their own copy next year rather than hassle with chasing down the shared CD to install the program. Instead Intuit alienated the users that purchased the product as well as those who didn't. When they asked their buddy to borrow the copy of TurboTax, they were told "Sorry, the CD has some lame copy protection stuff". Now the purchaser and his/her buddies say "Intuit s**cks".

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  44. Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Year after year you pump out virtually identical copies of the same thing over and over.

    Sounds like Hollywood already knows all they need to.

  45. Re:We knew it all along, and they still don't get by geekee · · Score: 1

    You don't get it. The RIAA started seeing lower revenue without any copy protection on CDs. So consumers are protesting not having DRM by your arguement.

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  46. Anatomy of a failure: What Killed FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The End of FreeBSD

    [Note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's w

  47. Hollywood? Learn?? by coene · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can Hollywood Learn From ______________.

    No.

  48. Historical Perspective (deja vu a.o.e.) by richg74 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The situation with this reminds me a lot of what I expereienced with software copy protection in the early days of PCs (early 1980s, for you young folks :-)

    Our investment management firm was, for the time, highly IT intensive. All of our investment selections were based on statistical/computer models; the only way anyone could order a trade was through a (mainframe) computer interface. We started buying PCs early on, together with an early version of Lotus 1-2-3.

    Then, Lotus introduced copy protection. Initially, we didn't have a big problem with that, in principle; but then we started to encounter the practical realities of unusable machines, software that we could not reload, and so on.

    I can remember a meeting with some senior people from Lotus in my office. I told them a couple of things:

    --We liked 1-2-3: it was really useful.
    --We would never, from that time forward, buy any software with copy protection, under any circumstances.

    As I told them then, and as I want to make clear now, we were NOT trying to cheat or get more licences than we were paying for. We were, however, unwilling to do business with another firm that treated us under the assumption that we were criminals.

    This story had a happy ending. we were able to negogiate a deal for a "non-copy-protected" version of Louts's software. Not long after, the offer was made generally available.

    I'm glad to hear that Intuit has figured things out. Perhaps some day others will ;-).

    Rich

  49. Intuit has competition... by earthforce_1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Intuit has plenty of competition, there are many equivalent DRM free SW packages that can produce the same results.

    Hollywood has no serious competition, even less than MS. Nobody can match their global marketing prowess and astronomical budgets. Certainly none can match their political clout either, the lobbying power of the RIAA is but a shadow of the MPAA.

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  50. neo-liberal? by haaz · · Score: 1

    when you say neo-liberal, are you indicating that you like stuff like NAFTA and corporatization? (now THERE's loaded question!...) but I'm with you about no love for the neocons. They're dragging us all to hell -- unless we stand up in mass and tell them THE FUCK NO!

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  51. Of course not, Hollywood doesn't pay taxes... by aquarian · · Score: 1

    No one in Hollywood pays taxes. Half the film industry runs "under the table", and the other half is always showing losses. And now with file sharing, they'll never have profits!

  52. Can Hollywood learn from Intuit? NO!!!!!!! by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hollywood didn't learn from VCR's, didn't learn from videodisks, didn't learn from DVD's and now can't learn from digital media. To put it simply, Hollywood's arrogance won't LET them learn!

  53. I desperately need help from Intuit also... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    VALENTINE KAMARA
    LOT 205 VON MARCHE,
    PLATEAU - ABIDJAN, IVORY COAST
    TELEPHONE: +225 07774012

    Attn: MD/CEO.

    I am Mr. Valentine Kamara (21yrs old), a Sierra Leonian by birth and the only surviving son of the former Director of finance, Federal Ministry of Finance and Minning of Sierra Leone late Chief VINCENT KAMARA. I must confess my agitation is real and my words are my bond in this proposal.

    When my late Father was alive, he diverted the sum of US$17MILLION meant for purchase of ammunition during the peak of the disastrous civil war as he was against the civil war that claimed over One million innocent lives of my people, he deposited the money in a Bank in Abidjan, capital of Ivory Coast where I am presently residing as a Political Refugee with my younger sister Mary Kamara (17 years old) but we want to leave the IVORY COAST due to the instability here because of the recent on going armed rebel conflict in Ivory Coast that started on the 19th of September, 2002.

    Now the war in my native Country-Sierra Leone is over with the help of ECOMOG soldiers, the present Government of Sierra-Leone has revoked the International Passport(s) of all Past Officials who served under the former government and they have gone further to ask various Countries to expel such Person(s)/Officials and at the same time freeze their Bank Accounts and confiscate their assets,it is on this note that I am contacting you to assist me and my sister to transfer this money overseas into your bank account before they are discovered and frozen, all I needed from you is to furnish me with your bank particulars such as:

    1) BANK NAME
    2) BANK ADDRESS, TELEPHONE / FAX NUMBERS ETC.
    3) ACCOUNT NAME / ACCOUNT NUMBER
    4) OTHER RELEVANT BANKING INFORMATION

    Upon your consent to assist me and my sister, I am compensating you with 20% of the total money amount after the transfer of the money must have taken place into your given bank account and in case of any other necessary expenses you might incure I would give you an additional 5% of the total amount, presently all my hopes are on you as I really wants to invest this money in your Country where there are both Political and Economical stability.

    Honestly, I want you to believe that this transaction is real and not a joke. My late father Chief VINCENT KAMARA gave me the copy of the Certificate of deposit / Agreement slip issued to him by the bank on the date of deposit which you can confirm from the bank though I do not wish to expose myself and my sister to anybody I see, I believe that you would be able to keep this transaction secret for me because this money is the hope of our lives, it is VERY IMPORTANT.

    Please call me immediately after you must have gone through my message, feel free and make it urgent.

    I would further appreciate it if you would kindly negotiate for me in some profitable blue chip investment opportunities in your country that are risky free in which I can invest this money when it is transfered to your bank account, personally I am interested in Estate management and Hotel businesses, please advise me.

    Call me back immediately you receive this message for more explanation. And promise me and my younger sister to be a father to us considering our situation and that you will not betray us.

    Thanks and God bless you.

    Yours sincerely.

    Best Regards

    Valentine Kamara

    N.B. The major reason why I need your assistance is that my late Father used me as the beneficiary / next of kin on the day of deposited and also put a clause that the money should not be released to me until I attain the age of 30years old or on the alternative if I am able to produce a reliable foreign partner that is to say I need a foreign assistance of a foreigner with Legitimate Bank account abroad who will stand as co-beneficiary and partner abroad.

  54. D.R.M. is D.U.M. by Another+AC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So Apple sold 2 million songs in about 2 weeks at 99 cents each, right?

    Why would these people buy these songs instead of just downloading them for free on Kazaa/Gnutella/etc?

    Getting a song for free:

    - cost: $0
    - ease of use: pretty easy
    - time to get: depends
    - availability: depends
    - quality: depends
    - platform: mp3s will play on any system
    - usage restrictions: none
    - legality: not legal.

    Getting a song from apple:

    - cost: 99c / song, $9.99 / album
    - ease of use: really easy
    - time to get: really fast
    - availability: about 20% of commercial music
    - quality: guaranteed good.
    - platform: mac only
    - usage restrictions: medium-restrictive D.R.M.
    - legality: legal.

    And those are basically all the issues.

    So apparently, ease of use + time to get + quality + legal vs cost + platform + restrictions results in $1 million a week for apple. Not too shabby!

    Now what if they dropped the last two strikes against them (besides cost).. platform and usability restrictions? As they upped their cd library they'd soon find the ONLY advantage Kazaa would have would be price, whereas apple would now win (or at least tie) in every other category! How much money would they maybe gross then?

    They make $1M a week now right? Let's say opening up the service to non-mac users (95%+ of the users) only triples their revenues. Let's say dropping all restrictions on use again doubles the usage. Finally, let's say them quintupling their collection to include everything ever recorded doubles their revenues again. It looks like they stand to make about $625 Million a year from this service.. if they'd just loosen up on the DRM (and complete their selection)!

    1. Re:D.R.M. is D.U.M. by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's one further point.. Generally speaking, most people will want to reward a producer, as long as they feel as if its a fair transaction. I think that is another thing in favor of Apple's service, as it is very fair IMO. Of course, to me, it's still not P2P and it's still RIAA controlled. As in my opinion, the P2P wars have less to do with actual infringement than they do with content control, and making sure the big labels keep the mindshare. Not that I'm a strict boycotter or anything, but even within the big labels stuff gets shoved under the rug.

    2. Re:D.R.M. is D.U.M. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed one. Getting a song for free is essentially anonymous. Getting one from Apple involves loss of privacy. For, not everybody, but for a large segment of our population, this loss of privacy is a deal breaker. They'd rather deal with the inconveniences to buy a CD for cash than embrace a micro-payment non-anonymous payment scheme, no matter how much it is otherwise convenient. With all the postings on slashdot about attempts to monitor every aspect of our lives and how the only way to avoid that is to use cash and keep off the grid, one would think more people would understand this enormous failing of Apple's system.

    3. Re:D.R.M. is D.U.M. by jamesmrankinjr · · Score: 1

      Let's say dropping all restrictions on use again doubles the usage. Finally, let's say them quintupling their collection to include everything ever recorded doubles their revenues again. It looks like they stand to make about $625 Million a year from this service.

      Or let's say Apple drops the DRM, and the music labels immediately pull their entire catalogs. It looks like they stand to make about $0 for this service!

      Best,
      -jimbo

  55. Re:Can Hollywood learn from Intuit? NO!!!!!!! by UrGeek · · Score: 1

    Oh, I actually think they could...but only after extenstive amounts of serious brain grafts. But it ain't gonna happen.

  56. Certainly they can by Ed+Avis · · Score: 0

    Yes, Hollywood could learn a lot if they cared to. The skills needed to survive in the harsh Artic conditions, making tough and warm clothing from animal skins, fishing, traditional medicine... perhaps it would be a good idea for some overpaid Hollywood executives to adopt a more humble attitude and see what they have to learn from the Inuit.

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  57. They won't learn by Cackmobile · · Score: 1

    Intuit is a small company which can not afford the loses. Its primarily a home office type product. Business probably doesn't use it. Whereas as we all know M$ is huge and business uses it. It will be used by banks etc first and they will love it. Then for consumers to use online banking etc we will have to use it. Its inevitable.

    Sorry I'm feeling very gloomy about the world situation today.

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  58. Re:HitchHikers by Technician · · Score: 1

    I realy hate unwanted hitchhikers that install an installer without asking. If I have to uninstall the "Install AOL" program again, I'm going to have some serious words with my ex-software vendor.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  59. Intuit has competition...yup by cruc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They also had 'competition' internally as well, at least from a DRM standpoint: the online Turbotax (the same programs) which I used again this year, required no downloading or installing of any DRM, only the boxed versions had that crappola.

    You still get to keep the e version of your tax files for reference, and Intuit keeps them on record as well (they do for all versions), handy if you suffer a data loss, mildly troubling if you worry about grand conspiracies, Big Brother or corporate stupidity.

    After looking at all the other tax preparation software, online and otherwise, Intuit was still the best for me, and I was satisfied for one more year to use them again.

    I'm glad they've seem some light on their boxed verisons, but there were other options for folks if they bothered to check.

  60. Be paranoid ... Was:One slight problem... by Yue · · Score: 1
    The percentage of copy-protected CD's is extremely low.


    Could be. People don't want to take the risk.
    Since BMG announced they'll "protect" CDs I unsubscribed from their club and didn't buy one single CD. Maybe others did the same.


    I do not use P2P or own any pirated music.
    Radio seems to be enough for the moment.
    "Protect" that.

  61. technical ability is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out the basslines from U2's songs. I'm guessing you can already play them too.

    But does that mean U2 is a lousy, manufactured band? A bunch of teeny-boppers with nothing but an eye for money?

    I may not be the biggest U2 fan, but I can recognize this isn't true. They've done quite well as a political statement band with a fair amount of musical experimentation.

    And they've done it all with a below-average bass player and thus simplistic basslines.

    You are way off base measuring the value of a song by the complexity of it.

  62. Going back to paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I remember hearing in middle school "with taxes, the math is easy; it's the English that's hard."

    And you know, instead of downloading the forms from the IRS and then spending your own printer ink and time on forms you know you'll need (not to mention having to read instructions on a glaring screen), you could just walk (or, if you live in a poorly designed neighborhood, drive) down to your local post office or public library and grab the forms and instruction booklets you'll need. I only ever downloaded the occasional odd form I couldn't find at the local library - for the common stuff, it's faster and cheaper to let the government foot the bill for printing and delivering them. (and you usually get better print quality, too)

    Here's a radical idea - if you check the appropriate box (or don't check it - I can't remember how the question is worded) the government will even have a federal employee hand-deliver printed forms and instruction booklets to your mailbox for use next year, for free. (Assuming you're still in the same place and all)

    What a country!

  63. Actually ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've gotten so disgusted with commercial music and the fact that I can't stand any of it, that I've done exactly that.

    I mostly buy world (including Hindu) music because (to me) it's different and fresh. Go looking for some world music, it's way less formulaic, and people who aren't normally supported by the big music companies get money.

  64. Not a boiled frog, but eaten! by autechre · · Score: 1

    OK, so the frog boiling thing is an urban legend. But according to my brother, who sells dozens of different types of reptiles and knows a great deal about them, there is a frog that is SO LAZY that they will not move even though they are being gradually eaten by smaller insects.

    This frog is known as the Pac-Man Frog (I Am Not Making This Up). I saw some two days ago at a reptile show, and they deserve the name; they're basically a big blob with a mouth. Their daily routine consists of sitting still and eating whatever comes too close (including mice, or your hand; they do have fangs and a quite painful bite).

    http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Zoo/6379/
    ht tp://www.pacmanfrog.com/

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  65. YOU don't see "that kind of rock" anymore. by autechre · · Score: 1

    Working at a college radio station, we get a few dozen CDs every week. About half of these are bland like what is on commercial radio, but at least a few every week are really, really good. Also, if a CD only has two or three good tracks on it, that's the exception, not the rule.

    Of course, it may be harder for you to find this type of stuff, since you don't have labels and distributors sending it to you every week. But it's not that hard. Check out your local college station. If you don't have one, or they don't play the type of music you like, check out ours! [Note: currently automated broadcast from our catalog because this is finals time, but that will give you some idea of the music.] Most towns have music venues and CD stores that focus on independant/local artists; check those out too. In Baltimore, it's SoundGarden (not related to the band). Visit www.cmj.com for "what's new" this week in college radio (but note that every station will have its own version, leaving out some of those bands and inserting others. We don't make our DJs follow playlists.)

    Commercial radio is going to be bland because the people behind it are interested in making money rather than art. But you don't have to be limited by their ambitions.

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  66. My parents use MP3s... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and they're in their 50s. There's a lot of old music that's way overpriced or hard to get on CD, but readily available on MP3.

    Seriously, it's not just kids doing it.

  67. America Behind? by mausmalone · · Score: 1

    As if America could be behind in anything? America is teh 5up3r10r!

    Seriously, though, with everything I read about how far behind we are on basic stuff (healthcare, unemployment services, alternative energy), seeing Bowling for Columbine, and then seeing "W" on the news every night, it makes me wanna move to Canada more and more every day.

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  68. Re:What does decimate mean? by japhmi · · Score: 1

    seeing Bowling for Columbine

    Why? It's a great example of Hollywood Entertainment. It's just another example of the genre of the mockumentary (but not as good as This is Spinal Tap IMHO)

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    "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" P. J. O'Rourke
  69. Re:What does decimate mean? by mausmalone · · Score: 1

    I appreciate your stance against Moore, though I see his innacuracies to be acceptable still. I see Moore as a politician, and therefore take him with a grain of salt. He makes some very valid suppositions in the film, and then uses faulty data to back it up. I've seen other politicians do a lot worse. But I was specifically referring to Moore's positive portrayal of Canada in Columbine. From what he shows (socialized healthcare, a robust welfare system), their national stance on war, my few visits, and a specific good job offer, Canada is looking pretty sweet.

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  70. Business 101 by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

    With all of the chatter about DRM and file swapping, it's easy to miss the actual point of the article: Intuit actually *listened* to customers, quickly elminating the copy-protection that customers hated so much.

    The insinuation about RIAA, MPAA, and Microsoft is that they take their customers for granted. But because they are monopolies, their anti-consumer behavior drives consumers underground because there is no substantial legitimate competition to turn to.

    The Apple online store is a shiny happy example of a legitimate alternative; and the biggest point about it is that artists get paid, and customers have relatively good control over how they use the product that they pay for. They don't have to put up with heavy-handed DRM. The consumer wins.