>>If that hammer casue the carpenter to be 10 time more productive when it was used, would he use it? you bet. Why do you think carpenters use nail guns?no single nail gun works on all carpentry tasks.
Exactly. But will OO.o in it's current form make my users more productive? Nope. Not if it does only 75% of the work for them. And they need to relearn most of their 'instincts' in order to even get to that 75%.
Access for what it is, which is a low end database for semi-technical people, does a pretty good job. It's fantastic for ad-hoc reporting and querying on the desktop. File import is ridiculously easy. The GUI while having a learning curve works well, and the scripting language is pretty frigging powerful.
In my shop, the accountants use access and excel side by side. Some tasks have evolved over the years using these tools to the point where if we wanted to get these users 'off' access and excel, we're not quite sure how to do it.
I don't know if this is necessarily a bad thing. The people get their work done using tools they're comfortable with. From their point of view the tools are too robust to take away.
From our point of view, being hooked on M$ tools isn't good. The work process probably should be vendor independant.
To keep this post from going off topic, let me adress these concerns in the context of using OO.o as a replacement for M$ tools.
Does OO.o offer line by line implementations of M$'s Office scripting languages?
Does OO.o's database offer.csv file importing?
GUI database design?
Tight integration with the spreadsheet app?
In no way at all do I mean to slam the fine, outstanding work that the OO.o team has done. As a programmer myself, I'm astounded by what they're accomplishing. What I'm trying to say is that folks doing real mission critical work are used to M$ tools. They don't want something new, unless the change is going to be invisible to them. They're accountants, not software guys.
Another way of looking at this. Try talking to a carpenter about a hammer that requires a side swing to work, instead of a down swing. And that the hammer will work on 75% of his nails. And it's picky about whether he's hammering into oak or pine.
So anyway, while some may think that Access sucks, it fills a role. OO.o doesn't have anything like it. Yet.
But a tight GUI and scripting language on top of MYSQL would be frigging cool. We'd have a scalable personal database.
The Visitors" have come to Earth asking for aid for what they say is a peaceful mission. It doesn't take long for some humans to discover that they're really a race of lizard creatures intent on taking our water and using humans for food. After gaining public trust, the Visitors begin to seize control by manufacturing a conspiracy involving scientists who, like the Jews a half-century before, find themselves ostracized by the public and hunted
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The Companions have come to Earth for what they say is a peaceful mission. It doesn't take long for some humans to discover that they're really a race of creatures intent on taking our resources and using humans for diabolical experiments. After gaining public trust, the Companions begin to seize control by manufacturing a conspiracy involving scientists who, like the Jews a half-century before, find themselves ostracized by the public and hunted.
>>SCI-FI movies esp need more cg characters to bring the world to life. Why is every species in star trek is just like a human. Wouldn't it be neater to see a different variety?
Which is exactly why I found Voyager's Speciaes 8472 to be so refreshing. That Preying-Mantis meets ET look was pheonominal (IMHO). It's the one thing Voyager got right.
>> sure hope to hell we find out the name of the official who prevented the taking of photos of Columbia
Another thought about this:
I wonder if manslaughter charges would apply to this guy, whoever he is. Because he IS responsible for those people dying. Or at least he's guilty of neglegence. He should have pushed for the photos that could have saved those astronaut's lives.
>> sure hope to hell we find out the name of the official who prevented the taking of photos of Columbia - because it's not enough for that dolt to have to live with tha decision the rest of his life. Everyone on the planet needs to know that he was such a fucking moron that he didn't even want to look and therefore doomed seven people to certain death.
Mod this guy up through the roof. He speaks the truth.
Excellent bro. This is what I have been thinking myself.
How do you do? What brings you to see me? : I'm upset about the SCO IP situation.
Are you upset often? : Only when failing companies try to survive be screwing the public.
What happened when failing companies try to survive be screwing the public? : Well, SCO claims that there's proprietary UNIX source in LINUX. So they're suing a bunch of folks for distributing their IP.
Is it because there's proprietary unix source in linux so they're suing a bunch of folks for distributing their ip that you came to me? : Yes. Exactly.
Why do you say yes exactly? : Well, that's why I'm here. I need to get this SCO thing out of my system. I'm pretty pissed about it.
Does it bother you that you are there you need to get this sco thing out of your system you are pretty pissed about it? : It bothers me that I can't talk about it.
When did you first know that you cannot talk about it? : It's tough to talk to people about. Nobody cares. They're all happy being monopolized by SCO's buddies over in Redmond.
Do you get happy often? : I'm a pretty happy guy. Yeah.
Do you enjoy being happy? : Sure. Happy is good.
What makes you happy? : Sex, grass. Fast computers. Open source. Motorcycles. Rush. Zeppelin.
Have you been afraid of sex? : Nope. No inhibitions here.
Earlier you said you felt upset? : Yeah. This SCO thing is really bothering me.
Maybe your plans have something to do with this. : Yes, exactly. We want to deploy Redhat in my company.And now the guys upstairs and the lawyers are afraid of a lawsuit.
What makes you believe you might want to deploy? : That's an interesting question. We like redhat. it has less TCO than Solaris and it's just plain cool.The tools are superior to Solaris' too.
Are you sure that that? : Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
You mentioned that there's proprietary unix source in linux so they're suing a bunch of folks for distributing their ip? : Yes Doc. It's a very bad thing.
Is it because of your life that you are going through all this? : Sure, I chose to be a programmer. I chose to become part of the OSS community. It angers me when I think that all the good work that's been done by so many very generous people might be for nothing thanks to a few greedy hags over in Santa Cruz.
What would happen if you think that all the good work that's been done by so many very generous people might be for nothing thanks to a few greedy hags over in santa cruz? : I'm really afraid that if SCO has it's way, LINUX might cease to exist.
Do you really think you are frightened by something? : Yes doc. Absolutely. I'm afraid of Osama Bin Laden and SCO.
You seem terrified by osama. : Who isn't? I was at the WTC. I saw the first plane hit. I was right there.
I don't understand. : I was at the WTC. I saw people die.
This is not a healthy way of thinking. : Perhaps not. But it is what it is. I survived.
Is the fact that it is what it is you survived the real reason? : The real reason for what?
What makes you think you are there you need to get this sco thing out of your system you are pretty pissed about it? : Well, it's better than keeping it bottled up inside. Right?
How do you reconcile the people you hang around with? : Good conversation. A couple of beers. Some jokes.
Is it because of problems at school that you say good conversation a couple of beers some jokes? : Nope.
Can you elaborate on that? : Look this conversation is about SCO, not my friends.
Earlier you said you cannot talk about it? : I'm trying to.
Perhaps this has something to do with any hobbies you have? : Yeah. I code for fun. On a LINUX box.
Possibly your sex life are related to this. : It's more like my sex life is affected by this.
Tell me about something about your sexual history. : Well, I can start by talking about your wife. Then there's your sister. Hey, do you know what your daughter really likes?
ST:Enterprise. There was an episode where a race of aliens showed the Klingons some Holo-technology. They programmed the Klingon homeworld into the device, and during the demo the Klingon captain said "I can see my house from here".
When I first saw the watch with the cable sticking out if it, I thought of Batman using it in lieu of something in the batbelt. You know, the Penguin pushes him off the top of a skyscraper and he saves himself by shooting a cord out of his watch and attaching it to a flagpole or something.
Then spiderman finds out and sues him for IP or patent infringement or something.
I can see the community having a quick turnaround if this were to happen. So lets say that a dedicated and generous team ove developers codes and tests replacements for SCO's alleged IP.
How long would it take for the distros to get patches out there? Probably hours. Which would limit their liability significantly for past versions. IANAL, but if the distro owners can say that their OS' are fixed, then their liability is significantly limited.
And future versions are not an issue.
Ans SCO can go scratch their asses and fade out into IT history.
>>Second: Try viewing comments at a score level of +4 or +5. Yes, you'll miss some very interesting ones. However, ones that get modded up that high rarely have to rely on four letter words to make a point, so you're likely to be somewhat safe there
I know. But you may notice that sometimes guys that are modded up to +5 Funny have bad words in them.
Such is life.... I'm not crying about this subject, just trying to make some conversation.
Oh yeah, someone else mentioned that it's a stupid policy my company has. I agree, but it's all the rage these days for Fortune 500 companies to write ane enforce policies that keep the workplace free of offensive and hostile materials. And yeah, they partially rely on sniffers at my shop. At least my managers are cool enough to understand that you run into bad stuff on occasion. But that understanding can only go so far.
>>Most people don't realise that even viewing questionalble content with company resources, (But I didn't "download" it, I just looked at it!!!) leaves the company open to legal issues ("Know what a proxy is Bob? How about your browsers cache, hmmmm?) since the file ends up on the comanies system somewhere.
Which is exactly why I can't view a site like/. at work. Too many times, I run into profanity on these pages. It's a shame... it's tech related, and as such is justified surfing.
Yet, I've been warned more than once(informally) because the sniffer on our proxy picks up nasty words pretty frequently. The compliance guys are even thinking about banning./ permanently.
The only reason I haven't been warned formally or canned is because it IS a tech relted site. But this excuse is getting old.
During my early teens, I used to really enjoy the superfriends. Especially the last couple of seasons, I thought the stories were really good, I even considered those shows to be good sci-fi.
I recently got to see avi's of some of the episodes. I was shocked to see that all these 'great' stories couldn't stand the test of time. Hell, they couldn't make it past 1985 IMHO.
I thought it would have been nostalgic and fun to relive that show. Instead it was a dissapointing experience.
When this site gets un-slashdotted, I'll take a look. Perhaps I'll find some Superfriends related humor. It's all I have left.....
>> Windows Media Player for the Mac (they need a better name for that app) works, but feels like quick and dirty port... >>No big surprise, it feels that way under Windows as well.
If I had points today, I'd mod the parent up as funny.
Slashdot Mirror
>>If that hammer casue the carpenter to be 10 time more productive when it was used, would he use it? you bet. Why do you think carpenters use nail guns?no single nail gun works on all carpentry tasks.
:)
Exactly. But will OO.o in it's current form make my users more productive? Nope. Not if it does only 75% of the work for them. And they need to relearn most of their 'instincts' in order to even get to that 75%.
You're arguing my side for me.
Define suck.
.csv file importing?
Access for what it is, which is a low end database for semi-technical people, does a pretty good job. It's fantastic for ad-hoc reporting and querying on the desktop. File import is ridiculously easy. The GUI while having a learning curve works well, and the scripting language is pretty frigging powerful.
In my shop, the accountants use access and excel side by side. Some tasks have evolved over the years using these tools to the point where if we wanted to get these users 'off' access and excel, we're not quite sure how to do it.
I don't know if this is necessarily a bad thing. The people get their work done using tools they're comfortable with. From their point of view the tools are too robust to take away.
From our point of view, being hooked on M$ tools isn't good. The work process probably should be vendor independant.
To keep this post from going off topic, let me adress these concerns in the context of using OO.o as a replacement for M$ tools.
Does OO.o offer line by line implementations of M$'s Office scripting languages?
Does OO.o's database offer
GUI database design?
Tight integration with the spreadsheet app?
In no way at all do I mean to slam the fine, outstanding work that the OO.o team has done. As a programmer myself, I'm astounded by what they're accomplishing. What I'm trying to say is that folks doing real mission critical work are used to M$ tools. They don't want something new, unless the change is going to be invisible to them. They're accountants, not software guys.
Another way of looking at this. Try talking to a carpenter about a hammer that requires a side swing to work, instead of a down swing. And that the hammer will work on 75% of his nails. And it's picky about whether he's hammering into oak or pine.
So anyway, while some may think that Access sucks, it fills a role. OO.o doesn't have anything like it. Yet.
But a tight GUI and scripting language on top of MYSQL would be frigging cool. We'd have a scalable personal database.
Just dying to be remade:
Supertrain
Mork and Mindy
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
>>Bring back "Quark"!
Absolutely. What's been going on in the bar lately?
And while they're at it, they should bring back Lita the Dabo Girl. What a freakin babe she is.
The Visitors" have come to Earth asking for aid for what they say is a peaceful mission. It doesn't take long for some humans to discover that they're really a race of lizard creatures intent on taking our water and using humans for food. After gaining public trust, the Visitors begin to seize control by manufacturing a conspiracy involving scientists who, like the Jews a half-century before, find themselves ostracized by the public and hunted
-----
The Companions have come to Earth for what they say is a peaceful mission. It doesn't take long for some humans to discover that they're really a race of creatures intent on taking our resources and using humans for diabolical experiments. After gaining public trust, the Companions begin to seize control by manufacturing a conspiracy involving scientists who, like the Jews a half-century before, find themselves ostracized by the public and hunted.
>> Legislatures make laws, not companies.
Yeah. This is true. But with big companies lobbying (and owning) congress the way they do, this might not be true for long...
RIAA, MPAA ???
Critisism is on the second floor.
>>SCI-FI movies esp need more cg characters to bring the world to life. Why is every species in star trek is just like a human. Wouldn't it be neater to see a different variety?
Which is exactly why I found Voyager's Speciaes 8472 to be so refreshing. That Preying-Mantis meets ET look was pheonominal (IMHO). It's the one thing Voyager got right.
>>Your hard drive space isn't as scarce of a resource, and neither is bandwidth.
Define scarse.
I have to pay for hard drive space. I pay for my bandwidth.
You forgot to mention time. It's the most important resource of all. My time is extremely valuable.
I shouldn't have to waste any of the three sorting through unwanted, sometimes offensive, commercial email.
>> sure hope to hell we find out the name of the official who prevented the taking of photos of Columbia
Another thought about this:
I wonder if manslaughter charges would apply to this guy, whoever he is. Because he IS responsible for those people dying. Or at least he's guilty of neglegence. He should have pushed for the photos that could have saved those astronaut's lives.
>> sure hope to hell we find out the name of the official who prevented the taking of photos of Columbia - because it's not enough for that dolt to have to live with tha decision the rest of his life. Everyone on the planet needs to know that he was such a fucking moron that he didn't even want to look and therefore doomed seven people to certain death.
Mod this guy up through the roof. He speaks the truth.
Excellent bro. This is what I have been thinking myself.
Hello Doc.
...
How do you do? What brings you to see me? : I'm upset about the SCO IP situation.
Are you upset often? : Only when failing companies try to survive be screwing the public.
What happened when failing companies try to survive be screwing the public? : Well, SCO claims that there's proprietary UNIX source in LINUX. So they're suing a bunch of folks for distributing their IP.
Is it because there's proprietary unix source in linux so they're suing a bunch of folks for distributing their ip that you came to me? : Yes. Exactly.
Why do you say yes exactly? : Well, that's why I'm here. I need to get this SCO thing out of my system. I'm pretty pissed about it.
Does it bother you that you are there you need to get this sco thing out of your system you are pretty pissed about it? : It bothers me that I can't talk about it.
When did you first know that you cannot talk about it? : It's tough to talk to people about. Nobody cares. They're all happy being monopolized by SCO's buddies over in Redmond.
Do you get happy often? : I'm a pretty happy guy. Yeah.
Do you enjoy being happy? : Sure. Happy is good.
What makes you happy? : Sex, grass. Fast computers. Open source. Motorcycles. Rush. Zeppelin.
Have you been afraid of sex? : Nope. No inhibitions here.
Earlier you said you felt upset? : Yeah. This SCO thing is really bothering me.
Maybe your plans have something to do with this. : Yes, exactly. We want to deploy Redhat in my company.And now the guys upstairs and the lawyers are afraid of a lawsuit.
What makes you believe you might want to deploy? : That's an interesting question. We like redhat. it has less TCO than Solaris and it's just plain cool.The tools are superior to Solaris' too.
Are you sure that that? : Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
You mentioned that there's proprietary unix source in linux so they're suing a bunch of folks for distributing their ip? : Yes Doc. It's a very bad thing.
Is it because of your life that you are going through all this? : Sure, I chose to be a programmer. I chose to become part of the OSS community. It angers me when I think that all the good work that's been done by so many very generous people might be for nothing thanks to a few greedy hags over in Santa Cruz.
What would happen if you think that all the good work that's been done by so many very generous people might be for nothing thanks to a few
greedy hags over in santa cruz? : I'm really afraid that if SCO has it's way, LINUX might cease to exist.
Do you really think you are frightened by something? : Yes doc. Absolutely. I'm afraid of Osama Bin Laden and SCO.
You seem terrified by osama. : Who isn't? I was at the WTC. I saw the first plane hit. I was right there.
I don't understand. : I was at the WTC. I saw people die.
This is not a healthy way of thinking. : Perhaps not. But it is what it is. I survived.
Is the fact that it is what it is you survived the real reason? : The real reason for what?
What makes you think you are there you need to get this sco thing out of your system you are pretty pissed about it? : Well, it's better than keeping it bottled up inside. Right?
How do you reconcile the people you hang around with? : Good conversation. A couple of beers. Some jokes.
Is it because of problems at school that you say good conversation a couple of beers some jokes? : Nope.
Can you elaborate on that? : Look this conversation is about SCO, not my friends.
Earlier you said you cannot talk about it? : I'm trying to.
Perhaps this has something to do with any hobbies you have? : Yeah. I code for fun. On a LINUX box.
Possibly your sex life are related to this. : It's more like my sex life is affected by this.
Tell me about something about your sexual history. : Well, I can start by talking about your wife. Then there's your sister. Hey, do you know what your daughter really likes?
You mentioned that you were happy? : Yeah.
I would appreciate it if you would continue.
>>Off topic, but where did this quote came from?
ST:Enterprise. There was an episode where a race of aliens showed the Klingons some Holo-technology. They programmed the Klingon homeworld into the device, and during the demo the Klingon captain said "I can see my house from here".
Photo Caption:
The opening is how the ants get their food
Um, how does that work? Is it that the ants leave the colony through that big wide opening and look for food around the floor of your workspace?
When I first saw the watch with the cable sticking out if it, I thought of Batman using it in lieu of something in the batbelt. You know, the Penguin pushes him off the top of a skyscraper and he saves himself by shooting a cord out of his watch and attaching it to a flagpole or something.
Then spiderman finds out and sues him for IP or patent infringement or something.
>>The already check you body and your keychain for usb thumbdrives.
How exactly do they check your body? Is this like prison where you have to drop em' and endure being probed by the world's longest finger?
Not trying to be a troll here. I'm really curious.
>>it's always up to something (virtual memory?),
:) In the case of 98, well, it's not so cute.
If left sitting alone long enough, 98 tries to optimize your binaries for you. It's trying to be helpful, but I've found that it often crashes.
Kind of like how my 2 year old daughter carrying dishes to the sink. She's trying to be helpful, but occasionally she drops one.
In my daughters case, the crash is forgivable. And actually kind of cute.
I can see the community having a quick turnaround if this were to happen. So lets say that a dedicated and generous team ove developers codes and tests replacements for SCO's alleged IP.
How long would it take for the distros to get patches out there? Probably hours. Which would limit their liability significantly for past versions. IANAL, but if the distro owners can say that their OS' are fixed, then their liability is significantly limited.
And future versions are not an issue.
Ans SCO can go scratch their asses and fade out into IT history.
>>Second: Try viewing comments at a score level of +4 or +5. Yes, you'll miss some very interesting ones. However, ones that get modded up that high rarely have to rely on four letter words to make a point, so you're likely to be somewhat safe there
I know. But you may notice that sometimes guys that are modded up to +5 Funny have bad words in them.
Such is life.... I'm not crying about this subject, just trying to make some conversation.
Oh yeah, someone else mentioned that it's a stupid policy my company has. I agree, but it's all the rage these days for Fortune 500 companies to write ane enforce policies that keep the workplace free of offensive and hostile materials. And yeah, they partially rely on sniffers at my shop. At least my managers are cool enough to understand that you run into bad stuff on occasion. But that understanding can only go so far.
Peace.
>>Most people don't realise that even viewing questionalble content with company resources, (But I didn't "download" it, I just looked at it!!!) leaves the company open to legal issues ("Know what a proxy is Bob? How about your browsers cache, hmmmm?) since the file ends up on the comanies system somewhere.
/. at work. Too many times, I run into profanity on these pages. It's a shame... it's tech related, and as such is justified surfing.
./ permanently.
Which is exactly why I can't view a site like
Yet, I've been warned more than once(informally) because the sniffer on our proxy picks up nasty words pretty frequently. The compliance guys are even thinking about banning
The only reason I haven't been warned formally or canned is because it IS a tech relted site. But this excuse is getting old.
So, hey guys, stop cursing around here. Please.
So it looks like Al Sharpton can actually do something useful for once in his life. :)
>>The best Superfriends humor is here [seanbaby.com].
:)
Thanks buddy. That stuff is fucking hysterical. You made my day.
Peace.
During my early teens, I used to really enjoy the superfriends. Especially the last couple of seasons, I thought the stories were really good, I even considered those shows to be good sci-fi.
I recently got to see avi's of some of the episodes. I was shocked to see that all these 'great' stories couldn't stand the test of time. Hell, they couldn't make it past 1985 IMHO.
I thought it would have been nostalgic and fun to relive that show. Instead it was a dissapointing experience.
When this site gets un-slashdotted, I'll take a look. Perhaps I'll find some Superfriends related humor. It's all I have left.....
>> Windows Media Player for the Mac (they need a better name for that app) works, but feels like quick and dirty port...
>>No big surprise, it feels that way under Windows as well.
If I had points today, I'd mod the parent up as funny.
Could someone please do this?
I can only imagine the O'reilly series of books for this thing.
Learning Microsoft iGloo
Microsoft iGloo Cookbook
iGloo Hacks
Microsoft iGloo Best Practices
And of course, there will be a countless uh, stream of articles at oreilly.oniGloo.com