The pepperered moth is an example of MICRO-evolution, not MACRO-evolution. MICRO-evolution fits with Darwin's "survival of the fittest" notion where certain EXISTING attributes cause one group to thrive rather than another. In the example of the peppered moth, more of the darker moths survive in a polluted environment because they camouflage better than white moths and therefore are less likely to be caught by predators.
MACRO-evolution is the next step in that concept which asserts that certain previously NON-EXISTANT attributes develop over time due to some magical mutation which occurs during breeding (ie: the monkey-to-man concept). Creationists have no problem with the concept of micro-evolution. It's a common misconception. And, just because micro-evolution is true, doesn't mean that macro-evolution is necessarily correct.
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If you download the Application compatibility toolkit you can run games like TIE Fighter and X-Wing on Win2k. I don't know if it works with everything, but I've had great success running those games in particular.
For those who can't get old games to work on Windows 2000, you can use the ACT. I was frustrated that I couldn't run games like TIE Fighter and X-Wing on Win2k, but this program seems to emulate 95/98 so they magically work. I don't know if it works with everything, but it's at least a start.
I'm not trying to troll here, as I think Evolution is a wonderful product... but I'd just like to dispute your claim on one of the finer points - nothing will be an "Outlook Killer" until it runs everywhere that Outlook runs (ie: Windows).
I think going after reverse engineering the Outlook MAPI is a terrible and never-ending task. As microsoft keep changing things to ensure incompatibility with Free softwares, its pointless to chase outlook.
I disagree completely on this issue. Each new release of Exchange server is 3 years or so from the previous. And does my Outlook 98 machine install still interface with Exchange 2003? You bet it does! I'll admit that trying to hit some of Microsoft's moving targets is fruitless, but interfacing with Exchange should be one of the easier ones to hit if someone is willing to pick up the gun and aim. Heck, even just writing a perl script to talk behind the scenes to the Outlook Web Interface and translate the HTML into a common format should work. (BTW _ Isn't that how Ximian Connector works???)
If these problems are so well served by drug laws, why aren't the related problems caused by alcohol, tobacco and firearms similarly treated?
Whether or not is should be, alcohol isn't regulated like drugs because we tried that once (18th amendment) and it didn't work out (21st amendment). Tobacco is being schooled by the government, and I predict it will eventually be regulated like drugs are. And firearms aren't regulated like drugs because of the 2nd amendment and with it are loud special interest groups (NRA). I guess no one takes the druggie special interest groups very seriously otherwise we wouldn't be having a very different discussion. I certainly agree with you that just because things are the way they are, doesn't mean that they are the way they are supposed to be. But I don't think for one second that the original poster or really anyone who argues that "if I'm doing it to myself it doesn't affect anyone else" has got a leg to stand on. It has become such a popular argument, and people have heard it so often, that they seem to just blindly accept that it's a valid point when really it's not. Which, effectively, was what I was trying to convey in my previous post - nothing you do is without consequence to someone else. It just doesn't work that way.
Does this remind anyone else of the toilet regulation where, in order to save water, now you can't buy a toilet in the US that actually flushes anything down. So, in order to use these new tiolets effectively, people have to flush 3 times (or make trips North of the border)... all in the name of saving water. This digital TV crap is just another example of an attempt to regulate something that doesn't need regulating. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
My guess is that consumers will not go for this at all. I predict that TV sales will slump in the short term while some people won't want to buy anything until the digital stuff comes out. And, TV sales will slump in the long term when people refuse to replace a perfectly good existing TV with something where they don't perceive any added value. Honestly, with how often I find myself flipping channels aimlessly waiting to find something good on TV, if this went into effect right now and I couldn't watch anything on my existing set I'd probably end up just reading more rather than running out to the store to get plugged in to nothing again.
I have never understood why it is illegal to do harm to yourself. After all, you own your body, is it as least once thing that isn't licensed to you (Does God have a EULA?), and so why shouldn't we be allowed to do whatever we want to it?
This is the classic libertarian argument that everyone espouses, but no one seems to get that it doesn't hold any water. There is practically NOTHING you can do on this planet that doesn't affect those around you. Who takes care of you in the hospital when you OD on drugs? Who scrapes you off a tree in their front yard only to watch you die in front of their kids (true story) because you weren't wearing a helmet? Whose unborn baby is taking in second hand smoke from someone who believes they are only affecting themselves? Who puts their life at risk rescuing you after you jump off of Niagra Falls? Even by just throwing away trash you affect others and your environment around you.
That's why there's no populated place on Earth without a government in place to enact laws. Though it's far from a perfect system, things are the way that they are to promote the progress of society as a whole. This individualism-is-ruler-of-all is just anarchy in disguise.
10,000 eBooks! That, my friends, returns us to the original meaning of a Beowulf cluster*!
* - Yes, yes - I know. Terrible joke. We all wish we could filter out all comments that had "Beowulf", "In other news", and "In Soviet Russia" in the text, but alas...
New Hampshire's Supreme Court just ruled a couple weeks ago that information in the garbage is off limits. However, according to a 1988 US Supreme Court ruling anything in the garbage is not private because it is unreasonable for people to expect their trash to remain private, given that "plastic garbage bags left on or at the side of a public street are readily accessible to animals, children, scavengers, snoops, and other members of the public." So, unless you live in NH, you're probably screwed.
They're showing that companies can actually listen to their customers
You know what... I don't see this as an apology as much as I see it as just market-speak. Now, if they went the extra mile and released a patch allowing buyers of last year's Turbo Tax to install it in the future* without the activation, then maybe I'd be more apt to buy their product someday. However, as it stands this looks to me like they're sorry they lost customers to TurboTax (myself included) rather than being sorry that they sold a crippled product.
* - Why you ask? So that people could keep their historic tax records electronically without worry of not being able to access them someday
Spending 53 million to make sure everyone knows the new bills are real doesn't seem like such a big deal when you're the one in charge of printing the cash you spend!
I notice that you didn't specify how many *actual users* your projects supported. While I acknowledge that you could just make up any old number and I'd never be able to prove you wrong, I suspect that your solution wasn't viable for the number of users the submitter is looking to scale to. A Python+Zope combination might be great for a couple thousand concurrent users, but since he's looking to scale there's no way on Earth I'd deviate from an architecture someone has actually implementing successfully before. It's just to easy to get burned by trying to pioneer some obscure solution on a project that's on as large a scale as he's undertaking.
I'm not sure if they monitor this or not, but you can change your Windows Update preferences to not show certain updates (click the Personalize Windows Update link). I wonder if everyone just went and chose to hide this update if they'd get the hint. Even if it's not a monitored thing, at least this way you wouldn't have to look at it onece a week when a new patch is released.
I don't see why not. They are both technologies designed to provide dynamic content via the web. Just because they require different methodologies, doesn't mean they are incomparable.
PHP is not a true object-oriented programming environment.
Where I work, we favor Microsoft technologies. I use ASP.NET and I love using it. But the object-oriented stuff gets in my way more than it helps me. OO is not the best paradigm for web development. HTTP is a stateless protocol (albiet there are layers on top of it like cookies which allow for maintianing state) so creating a whole object structure on the server to manage data is a waste of time because the objects are lost after the request completes anyway and have to be recreated on each subsequent HTTP request. And trying to build presentation using objects is a nightmare. (An HTML table as an object? Please!) No, the OO paradigm is not what makes ASP.NET better to use IMO than ColdFusion, classic ASP, and PHP (I've used them all on other projects at other companies). The part where ASP.NET shines is the separation of presentation from code. In a properly coded ASP.NET page, almost no server side code is present in the aspx page, and all of the work is done in a "code behind" area. That is what I find lacking when using PHP - not an overrated OO-for-the-web paradigm (OO is great for other things though), but in a proper MVC architecture with separation of code and presentation.
On top of that, the PHP language is not strongly typed, and you don't even need to declare variables
Truthfully, I see that as an advantage of PHP over ASP.NET. Yes, traditionally weakly typed languages perform slower than strongly typed ones, but other than that the advantage of not having to deal with excessive casting is a fantastic advantage. You may argue that it allows for bad coding practices, but I'd counter with "what language doesn't?". If you want to be stupid about it, any language will let you do things wrong. Languages like Java try so hard to force you to do things right, it ends up being at the expense of useful functionality. No thanks.
PHP has no structured exception handling
Yeah, I agree. That does suck.
When performing operations like variable assignment and passing the object as a parameter to a function, the whole object is copied
I think that depends on your point of view. Not having the option sucks though.
On the other hand, ASP.Net is a true OO language, with inheritance, polymorphism (overloading of methods) and encapsulation. ASP.Net is strongly typed. ASP.Net is compiled and JIT'd.
I don't mean to sound snotty, but my honest reaction here is "so what?". OO is a great paradigm for other things, but it falls short when trying to use it for web development. And, being compiled arguably makes ASP.NET harder to debug. I'm no fan of VB, but at least the VB environment allowed dynamic changing of code during a debug session without having to stop the debugger, recompile the code, and start again. Interpreted languages are not nearly as slow anymore as everyone claims them to be, and in the real world it seems that rapid application development will win out 9 times out of 10 over rapid program execution. A lot of bad architecture decisions are made in a falsely percieved need to boost speed all the time (just ask the Java camp about the state of affairs in the late 90's).
Plugins have made browsers worse, rather than better.
Look, I understand (and even sympathize with) your feeling about plugins... but the simple fact is this is an abuse of patents. Whether or not you have an axe to gind about the specific patented thing (browser plugins in this case) being distateful, I would hope that people can look past their nose to see the far reaching implications of a ruling like this! I hope you aren't modded to flamebait as you suggested, but come on... this is not a "+5 Insightful" stance on this issue!
Not having anything like that available where I live, it begs the question: how do you dive the car out of state if it doesn't use run-of-the-mill, get-it-at-every-highway-exit gasoline?
In 10 years he will pay $5k more. Person who bought hybrid already paid ~$4k more when he bought the car, and will pay at least ~$1k more for more expensive service.
However, in the states we get a nice $3k (I think that's the right figure) tax exemption which means you're in the black after only the second year of ownership.
My guess is they compared a development process that has no formal design phase and everthing is designed on the fly without any real thought to extensibility or maitainability
So you mean they did this study in the real world instead of in a classroom?
[....]You may still receive calls from political organizations, charities, telephone surveyors[....]
Due to the "survey loophole", my fear is that every telemarketing call I now receive will start off like this:
Caller: May I speak with [mispronounce name here]. I'm taking a survey and would like to know what it would take for you to switch [long distance carriers|mortgage companies|lawn care service|you-name-it].
Call me cynical (not via my phone, but by replying to this post), but I'm on the do-not-call-list and I just don't expect my volume of calls-per-night to decrease... just a change in the caller's tactics.
I considered CWRU and had a few friends who went there. I myself choose Miami U. (Oxford OH, not Florida) which is rated in the 60's on the US News rankings. Admittedly, I choose Miami for aesthetic reasons as much as anything else (beautiful buildings, beautiful coeds (58% / 42% women to men ration vs. Case's 35% / 65%)), and rich campus history). But, I found that Miami's Comp Sci / Systems Analysis program was top notch and that some of the folks at CWRU were impressed/jealous of some of Miami's offerings (both acedemic and otherwise). Of course, with any liberal arts school you get... well... fluff classes that profs don't care to teach well and students don't care to be in. But, overall it's not a bad choice for the tech field (3 years out and already mid $60k range!)
I don't mean to be diparaging here, but I have trouble being convinced that the parent poster really is a fool when you've used "your" instead of "you're" and M$ instead of Microsoft in the first 20 or so bytes of your message. That's got to be a new slashdot record... er... maybe not.
I've heard that suggestion made a few times before on slashdot, but I've never thought AOL would be brave (or stupid) enough to try a browser swap on their customers. I think AOL's reasons for not making an all out switch boils down to one simple question:
Will we alienate/confuse/loose customers by making a change from IE to another browser?
It's a bet-the-company decision not to be taken lightly. Yes, I love Mozilla/Gecko. Yes, I'd love to see Mozilla get distributed to the masses. Yes, not being tied to IE would seem to ultimately benefit AOL. But, if I were in their shoes, I'd have to admit I'd be wary of making a sweeping change like that too - even given the major investment they already have in Mozilla. There are just too many unknowns in terms of customer satisfaction. And I'd be worried that since a browser is such a huge part of the overall internet experience, a browser swap would be a drastic change that could send customers elsewhere.
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The pepperered moth is an example of MICRO-evolution, not MACRO-evolution. MICRO-evolution fits with Darwin's "survival of the fittest" notion where certain EXISTING attributes cause one group to thrive rather than another. In the example of the peppered moth, more of the darker moths survive in a polluted environment because they camouflage better than white moths and therefore are less likely to be caught by predators.
MACRO-evolution is the next step in that concept which asserts that certain previously NON-EXISTANT attributes develop over time due to some magical mutation which occurs during breeding (ie: the monkey-to-man concept). Creationists have no problem with the concept of micro-evolution. It's a common misconception. And, just because micro-evolution is true, doesn't mean that macro-evolution is necessarily correct.
If you download the Application compatibility toolkit you can run games like TIE Fighter and X-Wing on Win2k. I don't know if it works with everything, but I've had great success running those games in particular.
Windows 2000 won't play my games
For those who can't get old games to work on Windows 2000, you can use the ACT. I was frustrated that I couldn't run games like TIE Fighter and X-Wing on Win2k, but this program seems to emulate 95/98 so they magically work. I don't know if it works with everything, but it's at least a start.
AH. Only on Slashdot can you find some of the most insightful content modded as Troll.
it truly is an Outlook killer
I'm not trying to troll here, as I think Evolution is a wonderful product... but I'd just like to dispute your claim on one of the finer points - nothing will be an "Outlook Killer" until it runs everywhere that Outlook runs (ie: Windows).
I think going after reverse engineering the Outlook MAPI is a terrible and never-ending task. As microsoft keep changing things to ensure incompatibility with Free softwares, its pointless to chase outlook.
I disagree completely on this issue. Each new release of Exchange server is 3 years or so from the previous. And does my Outlook 98 machine install still interface with Exchange 2003? You bet it does! I'll admit that trying to hit some of Microsoft's moving targets is fruitless, but interfacing with Exchange should be one of the easier ones to hit if someone is willing to pick up the gun and aim. Heck, even just writing a perl script to talk behind the scenes to the Outlook Web Interface and translate the HTML into a common format should work. (BTW _ Isn't that how Ximian Connector works???)
If these problems are so well served by drug laws, why aren't the related problems caused by alcohol, tobacco and firearms similarly treated?
Whether or not is should be, alcohol isn't regulated like drugs because we tried that once (18th amendment) and it didn't work out (21st amendment). Tobacco is being schooled by the government, and I predict it will eventually be regulated like drugs are. And firearms aren't regulated like drugs because of the 2nd amendment and with it are loud special interest groups (NRA). I guess no one takes the druggie special interest groups very seriously otherwise we wouldn't be having a very different discussion.
I certainly agree with you that just because things are the way they are, doesn't mean that they are the way they are supposed to be. But I don't think for one second that the original poster or really anyone who argues that "if I'm doing it to myself it doesn't affect anyone else" has got a leg to stand on. It has become such a popular argument, and people have heard it so often, that they seem to just blindly accept that it's a valid point when really it's not. Which, effectively, was what I was trying to convey in my previous post - nothing you do is without consequence to someone else. It just doesn't work that way.
Does this remind anyone else of the toilet regulation where, in order to save water, now you can't buy a toilet in the US that actually flushes anything down. So, in order to use these new tiolets effectively, people have to flush 3 times (or make trips North of the border)... all in the name of saving water. This digital TV crap is just another example of an attempt to regulate something that doesn't need regulating. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
My guess is that consumers will not go for this at all. I predict that TV sales will slump in the short term while some people won't want to buy anything until the digital stuff comes out. And, TV sales will slump in the long term when people refuse to replace a perfectly good existing TV with something where they don't perceive any added value. Honestly, with how often I find myself flipping channels aimlessly waiting to find something good on TV, if this went into effect right now and I couldn't watch anything on my existing set I'd probably end up just reading more rather than running out to the store to get plugged in to nothing again.
I have never understood why it is illegal to do harm to yourself. After all, you own your body, is it as least once thing that isn't licensed to you (Does God have a EULA?), and so why shouldn't we be allowed to do whatever we want to it?
This is the classic libertarian argument that everyone espouses, but no one seems to get that it doesn't hold any water. There is practically NOTHING you can do on this planet that doesn't affect those around you. Who takes care of you in the hospital when you OD on drugs? Who scrapes you off a tree in their front yard only to watch you die in front of their kids (true story) because you weren't wearing a helmet? Whose unborn baby is taking in second hand smoke from someone who believes they are only affecting themselves? Who puts their life at risk rescuing you after you jump off of Niagra Falls? Even by just throwing away trash you affect others and your environment around you.
That's why there's no populated place on Earth without a government in place to enact laws. Though it's far from a perfect system, things are the way that they are to promote the progress of society as a whole. This individualism-is-ruler-of-all is just anarchy in disguise.
10,000 eBooks! That, my friends, returns us to the original meaning of a Beowulf cluster*!
* - Yes, yes - I know. Terrible joke. We all wish we could filter out all comments that had "Beowulf", "In other news", and "In Soviet Russia" in the text, but alas...
New Hampshire's Supreme Court just ruled a couple weeks ago that information in the garbage is off limits. However, according to a 1988 US Supreme Court ruling anything in the garbage is not private because it is unreasonable for people to expect their trash to remain private, given that "plastic garbage bags left on or at the side of a public street are readily accessible to animals, children, scavengers, snoops, and other members of the public." So, unless you live in NH, you're probably screwed.
They're showing that companies can actually listen to their customers
You know what... I don't see this as an apology as much as I see it as just market-speak. Now, if they went the extra mile and released a patch allowing buyers of last year's Turbo Tax to install it in the future* without the activation, then maybe I'd be more apt to buy their product someday. However, as it stands this looks to me like they're sorry they lost customers to TurboTax (myself included) rather than being sorry that they sold a crippled product.
* - Why you ask? So that people could keep their historic tax records electronically without worry of not being able to access them someday
Spending 53 million to make sure everyone knows the new bills are real doesn't seem like such a big deal when you're the one in charge of printing the cash you spend!
I notice that you didn't specify how many *actual users* your projects supported. While I acknowledge that you could just make up any old number and I'd never be able to prove you wrong, I suspect that your solution wasn't viable for the number of users the submitter is looking to scale to. A Python+Zope combination might be great for a couple thousand concurrent users, but since he's looking to scale there's no way on Earth I'd deviate from an architecture someone has actually implementing successfully before. It's just to easy to get burned by trying to pioneer some obscure solution on a project that's on as large a scale as he's undertaking.
I'm not sure if they monitor this or not, but you can change your Windows Update preferences to not show certain updates (click the Personalize Windows Update link). I wonder if everyone just went and chose to hide this update if they'd get the hint. Even if it's not a monitored thing, at least this way you wouldn't have to look at it onece a week when a new patch is released.
You can't compare PHP and ASP.Net.
I don't see why not. They are both technologies designed to provide dynamic content via the web. Just because they require different methodologies, doesn't mean they are incomparable.
PHP is not a true object-oriented programming environment.
Where I work, we favor Microsoft technologies. I use ASP.NET and I love using it. But the object-oriented stuff gets in my way more than it helps me. OO is not the best paradigm for web development. HTTP is a stateless protocol (albiet there are layers on top of it like cookies which allow for maintianing state) so creating a whole object structure on the server to manage data is a waste of time because the objects are lost after the request completes anyway and have to be recreated on each subsequent HTTP request. And trying to build presentation using objects is a nightmare. (An HTML table as an object? Please!) No, the OO paradigm is not what makes ASP.NET better to use IMO than ColdFusion, classic ASP, and PHP (I've used them all on other projects at other companies). The part where ASP.NET shines is the separation of presentation from code. In a properly coded ASP.NET page, almost no server side code is present in the aspx page, and all of the work is done in a "code behind" area. That is what I find lacking when using PHP - not an overrated OO-for-the-web paradigm (OO is great for other things though), but in a proper MVC architecture with separation of code and presentation.
On top of that, the PHP language is not strongly typed, and you don't even need to declare variables
Truthfully, I see that as an advantage of PHP over ASP.NET. Yes, traditionally weakly typed languages perform slower than strongly typed ones, but other than that the advantage of not having to deal with excessive casting is a fantastic advantage. You may argue that it allows for bad coding practices, but I'd counter with "what language doesn't?". If you want to be stupid about it, any language will let you do things wrong. Languages like Java try so hard to force you to do things right, it ends up being at the expense of useful functionality. No thanks.
PHP has no structured exception handling
Yeah, I agree. That does suck.
When performing operations like variable assignment and passing the object as a parameter to a function, the whole object is copied
I think that depends on your point of view. Not having the option sucks though.
On the other hand, ASP.Net is a true OO language, with inheritance, polymorphism (overloading of methods) and encapsulation. ASP.Net is strongly typed. ASP.Net is compiled and JIT'd.
I don't mean to sound snotty, but my honest reaction here is "so what?". OO is a great paradigm for other things, but it falls short when trying to use it for web development. And, being compiled arguably makes ASP.NET harder to debug. I'm no fan of VB, but at least the VB environment allowed dynamic changing of code during a debug session without having to stop the debugger, recompile the code, and start again. Interpreted languages are not nearly as slow anymore as everyone claims them to be, and in the real world it seems that rapid application development will win out 9 times out of 10 over rapid program execution. A lot of bad architecture decisions are made in a falsely percieved need to boost speed all the time (just ask the Java camp about the state of affairs in the late 90's).
Plugins have made browsers worse, rather than better.
Look, I understand (and even sympathize with) your feeling about plugins... but the simple fact is this is an abuse of patents. Whether or not you have an axe to gind about the specific patented thing (browser plugins in this case) being distateful, I would hope that people can look past their nose to see the far reaching implications of a ruling like this! I hope you aren't modded to flamebait as you suggested, but come on... this is not a "+5 Insightful" stance on this issue!
Not having anything like that available where I live, it begs the question: how do you dive the car out of state if it doesn't use run-of-the-mill, get-it-at-every-highway-exit gasoline?
In 10 years he will pay $5k more. Person who bought hybrid already paid ~$4k more when he bought the car, and will pay at least ~$1k more for more expensive service. However, in the states we get a nice $3k (I think that's the right figure) tax exemption which means you're in the black after only the second year of ownership.
My guess is they compared a development process that has no formal design phase and everthing is designed on the fly without any real thought to extensibility or maitainability
So you mean they did this study in the real world instead of in a classroom?
[....]You may still receive calls from political organizations, charities, telephone surveyors[....]
Due to the "survey loophole", my fear is that every telemarketing call I now receive will start off like this:
Caller: May I speak with [mispronounce name here]. I'm taking a survey and would like to know what it would take for you to switch [long distance carriers|mortgage companies|lawn care service|you-name-it].
Call me cynical (not via my phone, but by replying to this post), but I'm on the do-not-call-list and I just don't expect my volume of calls-per-night to decrease... just a change in the caller's tactics.
I considered CWRU and had a few friends who went there. I myself choose Miami U. (Oxford OH, not Florida) which is rated in the 60's on the US News rankings. Admittedly, I choose Miami for aesthetic reasons as much as anything else (beautiful buildings, beautiful coeds (58% / 42% women to men ration vs. Case's 35% / 65%)), and rich campus history). But, I found that Miami's Comp Sci / Systems Analysis program was top notch and that some of the folks at CWRU were impressed/jealous of some of Miami's offerings (both acedemic and otherwise). Of course, with any liberal arts school you get... well... fluff classes that profs don't care to teach well and students don't care to be in. But, overall it's not a bad choice for the tech field (3 years out and already mid $60k range!)
Just thought I throw in my 2 pence.
Morally, there is nothing wrong at all.
Call me silly, but... Slashdot is a lot of things, but a moral compass just isn't the first that comes to mind.
your a fool
I don't mean to be diparaging here, but I have trouble being convinced that the parent poster really is a fool when you've used "your" instead of "you're" and M$ instead of Microsoft in the first 20 or so bytes of your message. That's got to be a new slashdot record... er... maybe not.
Next post please.
I've heard that suggestion made a few times before on slashdot, but I've never thought AOL would be brave (or stupid) enough to try a browser swap on their customers. I think AOL's reasons for not making an all out switch boils down to one simple question:
Will we alienate/confuse/loose customers by making a change from IE to another browser?
It's a bet-the-company decision not to be taken lightly. Yes, I love Mozilla/Gecko. Yes, I'd love to see Mozilla get distributed to the masses. Yes, not being tied to IE would seem to ultimately benefit AOL. But, if I were in their shoes, I'd have to admit I'd be wary of making a sweeping change like that too - even given the major investment they already have in Mozilla. There are just too many unknowns in terms of customer satisfaction. And I'd be worried that since a browser is such a huge part of the overall internet experience, a browser swap would be a drastic change that could send customers elsewhere.