You only have to review history to see that both parties and their ancestors have rigged elections, stuffed ballot boxes, and screwed the vote.
Tammany Hall, Boss Tweed, and other wonderments come to mind.
I spent a lot of the 80s working with software they called "mission critical" (you know.. like B-52 nuclear launch code or shuttle flight software). I view voting software as "mission critical", not some fucking variation of an Excel spreadsheet. Diebold's ATMs apparently were developed as "mission critical"... isn't it interesting that voting software was treated so differently by a company with announced interests in who wins elections.
I'd go with the AG if he called election fraud conspiracy and threw the book at Diebold's senior management and the project team for that matter.
The broadband infrastructure has to be treated like the Interstate and local road systems. Owned by the "people" and improved and maintained by companies who bid on it. Not a fabulous system but I don't see many people complaining about having roads and business sure makes a hell of a lot of money using them.
Imagine the mess if all the roads were privately owned. Oh wait, we have our telecomm system as an example.
Quite funny.... except that *most* of us (over 50% of American homes) are not getting 3Mbps. Most of us are UNABLE to get anything but dialup and frequently at 26.4kbps (capped by telco due to equipment). Telephone companies sprayed their infrastructure with these things called Digital Loop Carriers -- a stupid name for line multiplexers that go like this:
COcopperDLCfiberDLCcopperhouse.
It will not do broadband. Now.. if they'd replace those puppies with Remote Terminals... it'd be fixed but the telcos Don't Wanna Do That because they're happy with their business model.
Sitting here with a 1200ms ping satellite and a double lined 26.4kbps dialup and the freaking wireless ISP in the area can't reach us because the airport bleeds all over their signal.
And to the idiot that thinks $50 a month for cable and $40 more for cable Internet is a good price (or $60 if you just want cable)... the content value isn't worth $20 and you have to live somewhere that *has* cable -- you'd be surprised at the number of areas that lack cable access.
I am an engineer specifically because of the role Doohan played in Star Trek. Scotty was and is an inspiration and hero, albeit fictional. I was 9 years old in 1967 and I already knew what I wanted to be: just like Scotty.
The Scotch isn't bad, but damn me if I can find any Romulan Ale.
I hope someone can get a copy of this thread printed and sent to his family. For the most part, its quite moving.
Its a matter of perspective. In my opinion the world is a *very* *small* place and its good idea to have a fair clue of the world, its cultures, and how they interact. That's SUPPOSED to be why they teach geography in school but that is apparently bogofied and the reinforcement is nil.
Look at the pictures of the solar system from our farthest exploration satellite that show Earth as a small dot. Our leaders and the freaking planet need this kind of perspective.
Hmmm, I wasn't addressing specifically the parent or the grandparent, but the pervading notion in the thread: "its been yada yada since time existed" -- you know: temporally provincial.
When I was growing up I was informed that short hair had *always* been the norm and I was a deviant. Hmmmm, Jefferson, Vikings, Jesus, etc... Marriage has been the eternal basis of civilization: hmmmm, polygamy, pre-Christian, parallel to Christian, communal living, rules in the Bible on how to sell your women, homosexuality ingrained as true peer relationships in multiple cultures until the Middle Ages. "Under God" -- and addition during the paranoia of the '50s (I guess communists would catch fire if they uttered the phrase).
People *do* assume "for all time" equals "since I've been paying attention", especially the people trying to enforce their view on someone else.
Yes, Taboos have always existed in cultures and take many absurd forms -- doesn't make them less absurd.
I think my "time localized" gripe is that the FCC has taken Janet's boob and turned it into a distraction from multiple key critical issues that might fan the winds of change. I've been a long time Republican, ACLU, NRA, and Sierra Club member --- and I'm not voting to continue the current trend into fascism... though I think its a race condition between the two major parties.
Finally, I've read Mr. Popper - decent stuff and I view taboos as generally indicative of the repressiveness of a culture or tribe.
The tragedy of Slashdot is that we're probably violently agreeing with each other but neither has the time to write decently nor the room in these stupid web fields.
Actually... this anti-nudity thing is relatively recent evolutionarily speaking and only pops up in repressive cultures or religions. It is *you* who lack the Big Picture -- the world did not start a few years ago...
I would modify Number 2 to read:
"Swear words are bad,... , lest the children grow up to be Dick Cheney."
But oh.. its okay if *certain* people do it...
This is the kind of stuff that Indiana Jones spectacles are made from . Actually, its kind of entertaining watching the currently known truths about Jewish and Sumerican history being woven into a Stargate episode...
Lets say.."wallymart" owned the radio and tv stations in your area... and the newspaper.
What are the odds that you'd see *any* coverage of a class action lawsuit about slave wages at wallymart's line of stores?
Now real world: watch the news we have now courtesy of General Electric or Disney -- tell me if you see any investigative reporting of Disney's attempts to destroy the public domain or of General Electric's schmoozing of politicans?
I watch Faux News in my hometown: does it ever cover what the city council is doing? Does it ever do any investigative reporting? No... it covers a couple of local car wrecks.. then spends the rest of its time telling me about 4 or 5 tragedies across the country (those same 4 or 5 tragedies reports used by all the Faux stations across the country cuz its very cheap and easy).
The *only* radio station I listen to consistently anymore is my PBS station and recently the Air America station for *some* variety in news and viewpoints. The only tv I tend to watch is PBS for news and entertainment... and of course I have a dozen or so Internet news sources. I'll force myself to watch the corporate sludge once or twice a week just for comparison --- and I don't see how anyone can figure out what is going on with that crap or be entertained by their twaddle.
Lets get one thing straight: free speech applies to *CITIZENS*... not to business entities. Businesses DO NOT have free speech rights (despite the efforts of the last century to make corporations essentially human beings in all the privileges but none of the responsibilities).
Well... certainly we all coule "live" without Net access. But those of us who do a considerable amount of research via the Web would be reduced to going to the library and suffer a productivity loss. Those of us who get the news or stock information via the Net would suffer a disadvantage from the information lag. Those of us who need the latest software patches or need to download software or update their virus files... starting to get the picture? The Net isn't purely composed of software developers.
Agreed... the "heartland", common people, the salt of the earth.. you know, morons, (apologies to Blazing Saddles) can be everywhere.
The Latin influx of settlers in Hillsboro/Gresham started about six years ago (as opposed to the seasonal stuff)... I actually feel a bit at home now and my gods the food quality has improved . The Latin food choices here used to be *terrible*.
My spouse (a pharmacist) is of Japanese descent but speaks better Russian than her ancestral tongue (actually her Texas accent would kill a cow at 10 paces). More than a few of her patients are Ukraine or Russian.
The "driving while Hispanic" issue seems to be confined to Cornelius, a bit of Forest Grove and perhaps Gaston... though Gaston is more of a "driving while not from Gaston" problem.
Ok.... now I *know* no one on Slashdot is going to mod this conversation up .
I'm just your average Keltic/Saxon/Norse genepool of opportunity here...
yeah, i do some work in those areas: the downtown, North portland, and Hawthorne area have interesting diversity --- but west of Beaverton, it gets kind of wierd...
BUT BUT... North Portland has TWO Popeye's Fried Chicken establishments... a weakness of mine and my family. The tech boom helped bring in a lot of color tone to the westside but when you hit Cornelius (west of Hillsboro) it goes kind of time warpy... Latin to the south of the tracks, White to the North. Then... just White further out.
I was raised and worked many years in Houston... where any gathering I was ever in looked like a casting call for Star Trek. So moving to portland in '92 was a bit of a culture shock... it has gotten better. When my son (who is part Asian) was first assigned to his class, some kids thought he was "black", now some of them think he's Italian and he's been stopped by the small town cops for "driving while Hispanic".
Terrible story and my sympathies... but that can happen in *any* city in this country and get the *same* response from the police... identity theft is just over their heads and the damned financial institutions just make too much money to worry about it.
I moved here in '92 and absolutely love it mostly. My only complaint is that the gene pool seems pretty shallow outside of the downtown and westside areas (very pasty white and gets a bit scary Deliverance in some parts), but hell I can find that in New York, Texas, or California too.
The Anonymous Coward (wow we have a lot of those lately) makes the fatal mistake of equating wealth with intelligence or wisdom.
Gates never started out as a "po boy from Mississippi" -- he had an excellent seed, was in the right place at the right time, and caught IBM while they were distracted with their lovely mainframes.
Yes, Gates gets points for accumulating huge wealth: he got it through unethical deals, bundling traps, and intimidation. He has no respect for the free market and takes the *fascist* view that everyone marching the same way is the best way.
Capitalism does NOT equal Free Market
Monopoly Abuse does NOT equal Competition
Fascism equals the merging of select corporate and government interests to the detriment of the small guys.
Customer satisfaction vanished the instant management schools started teaching that the primary purpose of business is to MAXIMIZE SHAREHOLDER VALUE rather than MAKE A GREAT PRODUCT THAT CUSTOMERS LOVE TO BUY. Customers have lifespans beyond one quarter-year... shareholders don't.
The problem a lot of you are missing is that until Mirimax *purchased* distribution rights to Shaolin Soccer, it was perfectly legal to buy it. My son bought a copy last summer. Morally speaking, I see Miramax's behavior as no different than Mafia-style manipulation of supply and demand. It strikes me as hypocritical that we're screaming for free world trade yet we allow our entertainment industry to continue their region-restricting ways.
Write your congress-critters and complain about the double-standard.
Why does the phrase "mainframe era" keep drifting through my head when I see talk of outsourced data centers and centralized computing? Hmmmm????
Re the interview... this was a *great* interview and I wish this guy had carte blanche to interview every CXX of every company... particularly Ballmer and Bill, but only if they were lashed down so they couldn't end the interview.
"Dropping in a Windows 2003 server or even a Windows 2000 server, applying the initial SP and patches available (which are downloaded during the setup even), set it for auto update, turn on the Firewall, turn off NetBIOS over TCP/IP for the Internet connection and leave it alone. (This also applies for Desktops with Windows2k and WindowsXP)"
Boom, you're dead... you were snared during the SP/patch downloads before you turned on the firewall.
For those clients that insist on driving with no windshield or seatbelts... I apply all SP/patches via a CD containing manually downloaded material. No connection to the Internet is made until the firewall is on and configured and netBIOS/TCPIP de-activated on the exposed side.
I'm sorry but Microsoft still simply does not get it in regard to security -- I might be more generous if their ISA was priced at an affordable level for small business or made part of the OS... I mean, we have WMP, IE, and Outlook Express as part of the basic OS, right?
Discovered the other day that if I use LitePC to strip IE/OE out of a system, that system can no longer run the application IEAK.... is that stupid or what?
I can't stand it anymore...
its GREEDO... not Guido.
And I agree... changing that scene really damaged the character development and the ambience.
Worse than the freaking Ewoks...
We seem to have a group of about, say, 20 individuals who have made it their goal to basically pee all over the sandbox the rest of us behave civilly in. I cruise at -1 for anti-trolling operations and the GNAA-BSDdying-soandsoisdead-asciipervert group seems to have a LOT OF TIME on their hands. What a waste.
All I know is you're about to witness a staunch Republican transfer membership to the Green Party if the concept of "corporation" is reined in with a large truncheon.
1) Corporations are not people.
2) Corporations do not have morals.
3) Corporations are supposed to be transient, not enduring monoliths (see original concepts of corps).
4) Corporations do not have rights.
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oh yeah... Chicago and Daly during the 60s.... sheesh, that thought just made me want to go non-political again... eek.
You only have to review history to see that both parties and their ancestors have rigged elections, stuffed ballot boxes, and screwed the vote. Tammany Hall, Boss Tweed, and other wonderments come to mind.
I spent a lot of the 80s working with software they called "mission critical" (you know.. like B-52 nuclear launch code or shuttle flight software). I view voting software as "mission critical", not some fucking variation of an Excel spreadsheet. Diebold's ATMs apparently were developed as "mission critical" ... isn't it interesting that voting software was treated so differently by a company with announced interests in who wins elections.
I'd go with the AG if he called election fraud conspiracy and threw the book at Diebold's senior management and the project team for that matter.
The broadband infrastructure has to be treated like the Interstate and local road systems. Owned by the "people" and improved and maintained by companies who bid on it. Not a fabulous system but I don't see many people complaining about having roads and business sure makes a hell of a lot of money using them. Imagine the mess if all the roads were privately owned. Oh wait, we have our telecomm system as an example.
Quite funny.... except that *most* of us (over 50% of American homes) are not getting 3Mbps. Most of us are UNABLE to get anything but dialup and frequently at 26.4kbps (capped by telco due to equipment). Telephone companies sprayed their infrastructure with these things called Digital Loop Carriers -- a stupid name for line multiplexers that go like this: COcopperDLCfiberDLCcopperhouse. It will not do broadband. Now.. if they'd replace those puppies with Remote Terminals... it'd be fixed but the telcos Don't Wanna Do That because they're happy with their business model. Sitting here with a 1200ms ping satellite and a double lined 26.4kbps dialup and the freaking wireless ISP in the area can't reach us because the airport bleeds all over their signal. And to the idiot that thinks $50 a month for cable and $40 more for cable Internet is a good price (or $60 if you just want cable)... the content value isn't worth $20 and you have to live somewhere that *has* cable -- you'd be surprised at the number of areas that lack cable access.
I am an engineer specifically because of the role Doohan played in Star Trek. Scotty was and is an inspiration and hero, albeit fictional. I was 9 years old in 1967 and I already knew what I wanted to be: just like Scotty. The Scotch isn't bad, but damn me if I can find any Romulan Ale. I hope someone can get a copy of this thread printed and sent to his family. For the most part, its quite moving.
Its a matter of perspective. In my opinion the world is a *very* *small* place and its good idea to have a fair clue of the world, its cultures, and how they interact. That's SUPPOSED to be why they teach geography in school but that is apparently bogofied and the reinforcement is nil. Look at the pictures of the solar system from our farthest exploration satellite that show Earth as a small dot. Our leaders and the freaking planet need this kind of perspective.
Hmmm, I wasn't addressing specifically the parent or the grandparent, but the pervading notion in the thread: "its been yada yada since time existed" -- you know: temporally provincial. When I was growing up I was informed that short hair had *always* been the norm and I was a deviant. Hmmmm, Jefferson, Vikings, Jesus, etc... Marriage has been the eternal basis of civilization: hmmmm, polygamy, pre-Christian, parallel to Christian, communal living, rules in the Bible on how to sell your women, homosexuality ingrained as true peer relationships in multiple cultures until the Middle Ages. "Under God" -- and addition during the paranoia of the '50s (I guess communists would catch fire if they uttered the phrase). People *do* assume "for all time" equals "since I've been paying attention", especially the people trying to enforce their view on someone else. Yes, Taboos have always existed in cultures and take many absurd forms -- doesn't make them less absurd. I think my "time localized" gripe is that the FCC has taken Janet's boob and turned it into a distraction from multiple key critical issues that might fan the winds of change. I've been a long time Republican, ACLU, NRA, and Sierra Club member --- and I'm not voting to continue the current trend into fascism... though I think its a race condition between the two major parties. Finally, I've read Mr. Popper - decent stuff and I view taboos as generally indicative of the repressiveness of a culture or tribe. The tragedy of Slashdot is that we're probably violently agreeing with each other but neither has the time to write decently nor the room in these stupid web fields.
Actually... this anti-nudity thing is relatively recent evolutionarily speaking and only pops up in repressive cultures or religions. It is *you* who lack the Big Picture -- the world did not start a few years ago...
I would modify Number 2 to read: "Swear words are bad, ... , lest the children grow up to be Dick Cheney."
But oh.. its okay if *certain* people do it...
This is the kind of stuff that Indiana Jones spectacles are made from . Actually, its kind of entertaining watching the currently known truths about Jewish and Sumerican history being woven into a Stargate episode...
Lets say.."wallymart" owned the radio and tv stations in your area... and the newspaper. What are the odds that you'd see *any* coverage of a class action lawsuit about slave wages at wallymart's line of stores? Now real world: watch the news we have now courtesy of General Electric or Disney -- tell me if you see any investigative reporting of Disney's attempts to destroy the public domain or of General Electric's schmoozing of politicans? I watch Faux News in my hometown: does it ever cover what the city council is doing? Does it ever do any investigative reporting? No... it covers a couple of local car wrecks.. then spends the rest of its time telling me about 4 or 5 tragedies across the country (those same 4 or 5 tragedies reports used by all the Faux stations across the country cuz its very cheap and easy). The *only* radio station I listen to consistently anymore is my PBS station and recently the Air America station for *some* variety in news and viewpoints. The only tv I tend to watch is PBS for news and entertainment... and of course I have a dozen or so Internet news sources. I'll force myself to watch the corporate sludge once or twice a week just for comparison --- and I don't see how anyone can figure out what is going on with that crap or be entertained by their twaddle.
Lets get one thing straight: free speech applies to *CITIZENS*... not to business entities. Businesses DO NOT have free speech rights (despite the efforts of the last century to make corporations essentially human beings in all the privileges but none of the responsibilities).
Well... certainly we all coule "live" without Net access. But those of us who do a considerable amount of research via the Web would be reduced to going to the library and suffer a productivity loss. Those of us who get the news or stock information via the Net would suffer a disadvantage from the information lag. Those of us who need the latest software patches or need to download software or update their virus files... starting to get the picture? The Net isn't purely composed of software developers.
Agreed... the "heartland", common people, the salt of the earth.. you know, morons, (apologies to Blazing Saddles) can be everywhere. The Latin influx of settlers in Hillsboro/Gresham started about six years ago (as opposed to the seasonal stuff)... I actually feel a bit at home now and my gods the food quality has improved . The Latin food choices here used to be *terrible*. My spouse (a pharmacist) is of Japanese descent but speaks better Russian than her ancestral tongue (actually her Texas accent would kill a cow at 10 paces). More than a few of her patients are Ukraine or Russian. The "driving while Hispanic" issue seems to be confined to Cornelius, a bit of Forest Grove and perhaps Gaston... though Gaston is more of a "driving while not from Gaston" problem. Ok.... now I *know* no one on Slashdot is going to mod this conversation up . I'm just your average Keltic/Saxon/Norse genepool of opportunity here...
yeah, i do some work in those areas: the downtown, North portland, and Hawthorne area have interesting diversity --- but west of Beaverton, it gets kind of wierd... BUT BUT... North Portland has TWO Popeye's Fried Chicken establishments... a weakness of mine and my family. The tech boom helped bring in a lot of color tone to the westside but when you hit Cornelius (west of Hillsboro) it goes kind of time warpy... Latin to the south of the tracks, White to the North. Then ... just White further out.
I was raised and worked many years in Houston... where any gathering I was ever in looked like a casting call for Star Trek. So moving to portland in '92 was a bit of a culture shock... it has gotten better. When my son (who is part Asian) was first assigned to his class, some kids thought he was "black", now some of them think he's Italian and he's been stopped by the small town cops for "driving while Hispanic".
Terrible story and my sympathies... but that can happen in *any* city in this country and get the *same* response from the police... identity theft is just over their heads and the damned financial institutions just make too much money to worry about it. I moved here in '92 and absolutely love it mostly. My only complaint is that the gene pool seems pretty shallow outside of the downtown and westside areas (very pasty white and gets a bit scary Deliverance in some parts), but hell I can find that in New York, Texas, or California too.
The Anonymous Coward (wow we have a lot of those lately) makes the fatal mistake of equating wealth with intelligence or wisdom. Gates never started out as a "po boy from Mississippi" -- he had an excellent seed, was in the right place at the right time, and caught IBM while they were distracted with their lovely mainframes. Yes, Gates gets points for accumulating huge wealth: he got it through unethical deals, bundling traps, and intimidation. He has no respect for the free market and takes the *fascist* view that everyone marching the same way is the best way. Capitalism does NOT equal Free Market Monopoly Abuse does NOT equal Competition Fascism equals the merging of select corporate and government interests to the detriment of the small guys.
Customer satisfaction vanished the instant management schools started teaching that the primary purpose of business is to MAXIMIZE SHAREHOLDER VALUE rather than MAKE A GREAT PRODUCT THAT CUSTOMERS LOVE TO BUY. Customers have lifespans beyond one quarter-year... shareholders don't.
The problem a lot of you are missing is that until Mirimax *purchased* distribution rights to Shaolin Soccer, it was perfectly legal to buy it. My son bought a copy last summer. Morally speaking, I see Miramax's behavior as no different than Mafia-style manipulation of supply and demand. It strikes me as hypocritical that we're screaming for free world trade yet we allow our entertainment industry to continue their region-restricting ways. Write your congress-critters and complain about the double-standard.
Why does the phrase "mainframe era" keep drifting through my head when I see talk of outsourced data centers and centralized computing? Hmmmm???? Re the interview... this was a *great* interview and I wish this guy had carte blanche to interview every CXX of every company... particularly Ballmer and Bill, but only if they were lashed down so they couldn't end the interview.
"Dropping in a Windows 2003 server or even a Windows 2000 server, applying the initial SP and patches available (which are downloaded during the setup even), set it for auto update, turn on the Firewall, turn off NetBIOS over TCP/IP for the Internet connection and leave it alone. (This also applies for Desktops with Windows2k and WindowsXP)" Boom, you're dead... you were snared during the SP/patch downloads before you turned on the firewall. For those clients that insist on driving with no windshield or seatbelts... I apply all SP/patches via a CD containing manually downloaded material. No connection to the Internet is made until the firewall is on and configured and netBIOS/TCPIP de-activated on the exposed side. I'm sorry but Microsoft still simply does not get it in regard to security -- I might be more generous if their ISA was priced at an affordable level for small business or made part of the OS... I mean, we have WMP, IE, and Outlook Express as part of the basic OS, right? Discovered the other day that if I use LitePC to strip IE/OE out of a system, that system can no longer run the application IEAK.... is that stupid or what?
I can't stand it anymore... its GREEDO... not Guido. And I agree... changing that scene really damaged the character development and the ambience. Worse than the freaking Ewoks...
We seem to have a group of about, say, 20 individuals who have made it their goal to basically pee all over the sandbox the rest of us behave civilly in. I cruise at -1 for anti-trolling operations and the GNAA-BSDdying-soandsoisdead-asciipervert group seems to have a LOT OF TIME on their hands. What a waste.
All I know is you're about to witness a staunch Republican transfer membership to the Green Party if the concept of "corporation" is reined in with a large truncheon. 1) Corporations are not people. 2) Corporations do not have morals. 3) Corporations are supposed to be transient, not enduring monoliths (see original concepts of corps). 4) Corporations do not have rights.