Yeah, so the umpteen thousand phone calls I took as a support person for a major video card manufacturer because $GAME didn't work with this card where every other game worked was because the card was broken?
Another example: we used to call the "Core Video" phone queue "3rd party motherboard support" because 99% of the time someone called, it was because they had wrong settings in the BIOS, or they had not installed their chipset drivers for their non-Intel motherboards, or they were overclocking in a stupid way. None of these issues were the fault of the AGP card.
The majority of consumers don't know where the problem is, so they call the manufacturer that they think is responsible:
"I'm trying to get music onto my iPod and it isn't working, so I'm going to call iPod!"
(Yes, I know that it is Apple that makes the iPod, but that was a joke about those people that are going to call "Windows" or call "Macintosh" for help.)
Yeah, because the iMac has always had the best hardware available in it.
Did I mention that many of the statistical people that monitor such things have said it (the iMac) is the best selling computer of all time? Perhaps style matters more than how many billion times per second it can process a NOP while you are reading Slashdot.
There are also different patented engines in every car manufacturer's products.
They all do basically the same thing, but they are different pieces of equipment, so they get different patents in order to protect the small things that make it a better / different design.
So, I guess the slackjawed guy in the hoodie that needs to pull up his pants that is in the "no" circle would be the consumer, and the guy with the waxed mustache and jail stripes must represent the RIAA, as they are only receiving a big fat bag of cash, and not putting anything else in.
Yup. That's a pretty accurate representation of this system.
None of the cloners were able to set their production lines up for free.
Ok, if you want to bring production into this, Apple had those costs TOO. Not only were they developing all the software, engineering all the hardware, they were building their own units too. Cloners were just building units.
If Apple was paying attention they'd realize they are really a software and operating system company. BZZZT wrong. Successes like the iPod are not software. Consumer-loved designs like the iMac that made it the most successful computer model in the history of computers wasn't due to including AppleWorks. The demise of the floppy drive, standardization on open and modern hardware like USB, PCI, IEEE1394, and 802.11b was not because of some API they wrote for MacOS.
You do know who the first two companies that ditched all legacy interconnects for PCI were, right? I'll give you a hint... neither of them ran x86 CPUs. (Apple and DEC).
Apple isn't a hardware company, or a software company. They are a computer company. They sell the whole thing, and that's how they keep it a powerful useable easy experience.
Look at Microsoft. About the only hardware they sell is the MS Mouse, and they're so far ahead of Apple that you can't see Steve Jobs in the rearview mirror. I sure hope you are talking about bank balances or market share here, because Apple is so far ahead in useability, stability, and design that Microsoft isn't even in the same time zone. Ask anyone that works on both platforms equally.
I'm sorry if he's still in love with hardware because that's how it all started, but get real. As much as I would love to see Aqua running on my dual Xeon, this would also mean the death of Mac OS X. Why? Now Apple has to validate and control compatibility with thirty times the hardware, all of it different, and every manufacturer wanting to blame every other manufacturer. The only reason this nightmare faded to it's currently moderatly scary level of today is because Microsoft began to strong-arm the manufacturers into WHQL signing by making their operating system throw out nasty unintelligable-to-most-users dialogs about how unsigned drivers are going to hose their box, empty their bank accounts, make hours worth of roaming charges on their cellphones, maim their children, and kill their cat.
Releasing Mac OS X for x86 would destroy the user experience, negating one of the biggest advantages over the Windows platform.
I am using FireFox on Mac OS X, and have never seen any render issues. In fact, I've seen more rendering issues in Safari than I have in FireFox, but that's because that is a local intranet site that some monkey put together with FrontPage, so it looks like crap on *everything*
At any rate, maybe this is an OS / Implementation thing? I have no idea.
The clone issue was completely separate though, and including it here dilutes your argument. Here's why:
The cloners were taking away from Apple's revenue when they promised to go after non-Apple markets.
While this sounds a bit silly, all the clone makers said they would be expanding market share for the good of the platform. Instead, they took Apple's hardware designs, tweaked them a bit, and then sold them at a lower price than Apple was selling it's Macs for.
Oh, I know; it's competition, and Apple should compete. Except for one thing: They were paying for the R&D for their competition. They were developing the motherboards, the OS, the peripherals, etc.
They were already reporting big losses every quarter, lowering their margins would not have helped, and Apple would have died; taking all the cloners with it.
Did you ever see a cloner advertise in any computer magazine that wasn't Mac-oriented? I didn't, and I had a job scanning computer magazines for articles about clients at the time.
They did not hold up their end of the deal, and they were strangling Apple. For Apple to survive, the cloners had to go. They made a business decision, and executed it. If they would have not made this decision with the market forces of the time, the shareholders would have been well-advised to fire every board member and executive officer in the company for lack of due diligence.
And just to beat you to the punch, I'm not some Apple shill. I actually bought one of the clones, and it runs Linux today as a router. I have Windows boxes, I have Linux boxes, and I have a Powerbook. Use the right tool for the right job, and don't ever EVER close your mind to new (or perhaps old) things.
While I fundamentally agree with what you are saying, here's the flaw:
99.999% of the people that use cars are not fleeing from prosecution
99.999% of the fertilizer that is produced is not used in the manufacture of explosives
99.999% of the gasoline that comes from the hydrocarbon cracker is not used to burn down buildings
99.999% of the modchips ARE used for playing illegal copies of games.
Not flaming here, just pointing out something that is somewhat obvious to me. I hate the erosion of rights as much as anyone else around here, but let's call a spade what it is, shall we?
* these statistics are for dramatic purposes, and I lay no claim to them being accurate.
It might have a lot to do with SCO being based in Lindon, Utah.
Maybe you should read my comment again. If you see anything derogatory about Utah or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, please quote it to me, as I'd love to see it.
Feel free to take an asprin and lower the blood pressure, it's gonna kill you someday.
The built in carry case is crap anyway, as it doesn't allow you to press the buttons or use the wheel. If you want a carrying case that doesn't suck, you'll have to buy it anyway. Think of it as one less piece of clutter...
This isn't as complex as you are trying to make it.
here's how this works:
1. The low end iPod doesn't have a dock or carrying case. It never has.
2. The 15GB model has been eliminated, and the 20GB is now the low end.
3. The 20GB iPod cost you $399 yesterday, and now it costs $299.
Therefore, with these three statements, there was a price reduction, and the product line has been enhanced where the accessory opkits remain the same.
Stop thinking you're getting screwed when you really aren't.
Good think O'Keefe is going to let it fall out of the sky, because I want to have a time when Hubble doesn't see something that vastly increases our knowlege of the surrounding universe again...
"Both of then do support the IPv4 link local address (169.x.x.x) and thats it"
I don't know if you are saying that's all that is the same between them, or if that's the only IP range (which isn't even right - it's 169.254.x.y) that they support.
I have Rendezvous working on three different networks of different scales, all of which are using DHCP to allocate addresses in the 10.254.254.x, 192.168.50.x, and 172.18.x.y ranges respectively. I can go to a Mac and try to connect to afp://server.local on any of those networks, and it gives me an authentication dialog.
MDNS and DNS based service discovery are not bound to any IP range, as they are layer 4 services, and IP is layer 3.
Link-local addressing only exists in Rendezvous for when you need it, not for a requirement.
"Rhetoric is everything. Your own post is full of rhetoric. It wasn't enough for you to talk about your trainer - you had to call him the 'idiot trainer' rather than suspending your judgement and letting readers of your post draw their own conclusions."
Except for one thing: My post is opinion and should be treated as such; e.g. biased towards one view (mine). The trainer was giving us corporate policy, and he actually believed it. It's one thing to mix up the kool-aid, it's another to drink it and claim it's the best stuff ever.
Once upon a time, I worked for a hardware company, where I started in their support call center. One of the first things I was told is to never use the word "problem" and instead use the word "issue."
Why? This is what the idiot trainer had to say:
"Problems have to be fixed, where issues get resolved."
It's complete marketing bullshit, and we all knew it, so we would constantly be saying smartassed things like "This caller is causing me issues" and "what the hell is your issue, buddy?" and in the IRC server we had set up for in-call chats, the standard thing went like this:
tech1: MainstreamVidCard is giving a black screen with an hourglass and locking up... wth? tech2: that card sucks. Tell them to get the übercard. tech3: LOL TeamLead1: Try new video BIOS and drivers. Go through BIOS settings, and tell them to stop overclocking. tech2: LOL tech3: LOL overclocking tech1: ok thx! TeamLead1: NI.
We couldn't say No Problem, so we said No Issue instead. What a farce.
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I was really interested in reading this article, as I've been looking for something to do this, and with only 4 comments posted, this is what I get:
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Now that AMDPower's servers have melted into a pool of molten plastic and silicon on the datacenter floor, I hope you're happy!
Yeah, so the umpteen thousand phone calls I took as a support person for a major video card manufacturer because $GAME didn't work with this card where every other game worked was because the card was broken?
Another example: we used to call the "Core Video" phone queue "3rd party motherboard support" because 99% of the time someone called, it was because they had wrong settings in the BIOS, or they had not installed their chipset drivers for their non-Intel motherboards, or they were overclocking in a stupid way. None of these issues were the fault of the AGP card.
The majority of consumers don't know where the problem is, so they call the manufacturer that they think is responsible:
"I'm trying to get music onto my iPod and it isn't working, so I'm going to call iPod!"
(Yes, I know that it is Apple that makes the iPod, but that was a joke about those people that are going to call "Windows" or call "Macintosh" for help.)
Yeah, because the iMac has always had the best hardware available in it.
Did I mention that many of the statistical people that monitor such things have said it (the iMac) is the best selling computer of all time? Perhaps style matters more than how many billion times per second it can process a NOP while you are reading Slashdot.
Sure, there is some kind of computer in there.
There are also different patented engines in every car manufacturer's products.
They all do basically the same thing, but they are different pieces of equipment, so they get different patents in order to protect the small things that make it a better / different design.
Hardware patents != Software Patents.
So, I guess the slackjawed guy in the hoodie that needs to pull up his pants that is in the "no" circle would be the consumer, and the guy with the waxed mustache and jail stripes must represent the RIAA, as they are only receiving a big fat bag of cash, and not putting anything else in.
Yup. That's a pretty accurate representation of this system.
None of the cloners were able to set their production lines up for free.
Ok, if you want to bring production into this, Apple had those costs TOO. Not only were they developing all the software, engineering all the hardware, they were building their own units too. Cloners were just building units.
If Apple was paying attention they'd realize they are really a software and operating system company. BZZZT wrong. Successes like the iPod are not software. Consumer-loved designs like the iMac that made it the most successful computer model in the history of computers wasn't due to including AppleWorks. The demise of the floppy drive, standardization on open and modern hardware like USB, PCI, IEEE1394, and 802.11b was not because of some API they wrote for MacOS.
You do know who the first two companies that ditched all legacy interconnects for PCI were, right? I'll give you a hint... neither of them ran x86 CPUs. (Apple and DEC).
Apple isn't a hardware company, or a software company. They are a computer company. They sell the whole thing, and that's how they keep it a powerful useable easy experience.
Look at Microsoft. About the only hardware they sell is the MS Mouse, and they're so far ahead of Apple that you can't see Steve Jobs in the rearview mirror. I sure hope you are talking about bank balances or market share here, because Apple is so far ahead in useability, stability, and design that Microsoft isn't even in the same time zone. Ask anyone that works on both platforms equally.
I'm sorry if he's still in love with hardware because that's how it all started, but get real. As much as I would love to see Aqua running on my dual Xeon, this would also mean the death of Mac OS X. Why? Now Apple has to validate and control compatibility with thirty times the hardware, all of it different, and every manufacturer wanting to blame every other manufacturer. The only reason this nightmare faded to it's currently moderatly scary level of today is because Microsoft began to strong-arm the manufacturers into WHQL signing by making their operating system throw out nasty unintelligable-to-most-users dialogs about how unsigned drivers are going to hose their box, empty their bank accounts, make hours worth of roaming charges on their cellphones, maim their children, and kill their cat.
Releasing Mac OS X for x86 would destroy the user experience, negating one of the biggest advantages over the Windows platform.
Oh, and you can't get 30% margins on software.
I am using FireFox on Mac OS X, and have never seen any render issues. In fact, I've seen more rendering issues in Safari than I have in FireFox, but that's because that is a local intranet site that some monkey put together with FrontPage, so it looks like crap on *everything*
At any rate, maybe this is an OS / Implementation thing? I have no idea.
The clone issue was completely separate though, and including it here dilutes your argument. Here's why:
The cloners were taking away from Apple's revenue when they promised to go after non-Apple markets.
While this sounds a bit silly, all the clone makers said they would be expanding market share for the good of the platform. Instead, they took Apple's hardware designs, tweaked them a bit, and then sold them at a lower price than Apple was selling it's Macs for.
Oh, I know; it's competition, and Apple should compete. Except for one thing: They were paying for the R&D for their competition. They were developing the motherboards, the OS, the peripherals, etc.
They were already reporting big losses every quarter, lowering their margins would not have helped, and Apple would have died; taking all the cloners with it.
Did you ever see a cloner advertise in any computer magazine that wasn't Mac-oriented? I didn't, and I had a job scanning computer magazines for articles about clients at the time.
They did not hold up their end of the deal, and they were strangling Apple. For Apple to survive, the cloners had to go. They made a business decision, and executed it. If they would have not made this decision with the market forces of the time, the shareholders would have been well-advised to fire every board member and executive officer in the company for lack of due diligence.
And just to beat you to the punch, I'm not some Apple shill. I actually bought one of the clones, and it runs Linux today as a router. I have Windows boxes, I have Linux boxes, and I have a Powerbook. Use the right tool for the right job, and don't ever EVER close your mind to new (or perhaps old) things.
you CAN replace the battery on your iPod. If you couldn't, how would these guys be selling anything?
Let the "you can't replace the battery so it sucks" statement die, please.
SACD Fans?
All eight of them, I guess...
*ducks*
While I fundamentally agree with what you are saying, here's the flaw:
99.999% of the people that use cars are not fleeing from prosecution
99.999% of the fertilizer that is produced is not used in the manufacture of explosives
99.999% of the gasoline that comes from the hydrocarbon cracker is not used to burn down buildings
99.999% of the modchips ARE used for playing illegal copies of games.
Not flaming here, just pointing out something that is somewhat obvious to me. I hate the erosion of rights as much as anyone else around here, but let's call a spade what it is, shall we?
* these statistics are for dramatic purposes, and I lay no claim to them being accurate.
It might have a lot to do with SCO being based in Lindon, Utah.
Maybe you should read my comment again. If you see anything derogatory about Utah or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, please quote it to me, as I'd love to see it.
Feel free to take an asprin and lower the blood pressure, it's gonna kill you someday.
Man, we had so long without a SCO article that I thought I missed one about a small implosion in Utah.
Then you had to go ruin my blissful existance...
The built in carry case is crap anyway, as it doesn't allow you to press the buttons or use the wheel. If you want a carrying case that doesn't suck, you'll have to buy it anyway. Think of it as one less piece of clutter...
This isn't as complex as you are trying to make it.
here's how this works:
1. The low end iPod doesn't have a dock or carrying case. It never has.
2. The 15GB model has been eliminated, and the 20GB is now the low end.
3. The 20GB iPod cost you $399 yesterday, and now it costs $299.
Therefore, with these three statements, there was a price reduction, and the product line has been enhanced where the accessory opkits remain the same.
Stop thinking you're getting screwed when you really aren't.
So I take it that Dallas / Fort Worth has a couple Clear Channel stations then?
Good think O'Keefe is going to let it fall out of the sky, because I want to have a time when Hubble doesn't see something that vastly increases our knowlege of the surrounding universe again...
"Both of then do support the IPv4 link local address (169.x.x.x) and thats it"
I don't know if you are saying that's all that is the same between them, or if that's the only IP range (which isn't even right - it's 169.254.x.y) that they support.
I have Rendezvous working on three different networks of different scales, all of which are using DHCP to allocate addresses in the 10.254.254.x, 192.168.50.x, and 172.18.x.y ranges respectively. I can go to a Mac and try to connect to afp://server.local on any of those networks, and it gives me an authentication dialog.
MDNS and DNS based service discovery are not bound to any IP range, as they are layer 4 services, and IP is layer 3.
Link-local addressing only exists in Rendezvous for when you need it, not for a requirement.
If you look at it using a sniffer like ethereal, it's actually multicast DNS, so it will work with either IPv4 or IPv6 as it's a layer-4 thing.
First prize is a brand new Cadillac El Dorado.
Second prize is a set of steak knives.
You know what third prize is?
Third prize is you're fired.
I guess we know who got third prize...
(oh come on... it's a Glengarry Glen Ross reference, you're a communist if you don't like it!)
"Rhetoric is everything. Your own post is full of rhetoric. It wasn't enough for you to talk about your trainer - you had to call him the 'idiot trainer' rather than suspending your judgement and letting readers of your post draw their own conclusions."
Except for one thing: My post is opinion and should be treated as such; e.g. biased towards one view (mine). The trainer was giving us corporate policy, and he actually believed it. It's one thing to mix up the kool-aid, it's another to drink it and claim it's the best stuff ever.
Once upon a time, I worked for a hardware company, where I started in their support call center. One of the first things I was told is to never use the word "problem" and instead use the word "issue."
Why? This is what the idiot trainer had to say:
"Problems have to be fixed, where issues get resolved."
It's complete marketing bullshit, and we all knew it, so we would constantly be saying smartassed things like "This caller is causing me issues" and "what the hell is your issue, buddy?" and in the IRC server we had set up for in-call chats, the standard thing went like this:
tech1: MainstreamVidCard is giving a black screen with an hourglass and locking up... wth?
tech2: that card sucks. Tell them to get the übercard.
tech3: LOL
TeamLead1: Try new video BIOS and drivers. Go through BIOS settings, and tell them to stop overclocking.
tech2: LOL
tech3: LOL overclocking
tech1: ok thx!
TeamLead1: NI.
We couldn't say No Problem, so we said No Issue instead. What a farce.
Company restricts product in an artificial way, and other people find ways around it.
In other news, people breathe.
Dude, this is Slashdot.
If you say you've wiped your Windows install, you are going to be lauded, and held on high.
Burnination only occurs if you were to say that you wiped your linux install, put Windows ME back on there, and then went out and keyed Linus's car.
Okay, maybe not that far, but you get the point.
I really want to know if this works in the M-series, as I'm thinking about getting an M3, and already have an iPod.
mmm.... M3