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Digital Cable HDTV Tuner Card Reviewed

Jack Kolesar of AMDPower writes "We have posted a review of a PC HDTV Tuner card that can receive QAM (Digital Cable) signals along with traditional 8VSB signals. This appears to be the first PC Card which can accomplish this task. Further, the software also comes with a utility to downsample HDTV content to DVD and DivX. "

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  1. Warm up the keyboard by Lord+Grey · · Score: 4, Informative
    Minimum PC Requirements:
    • ...
    • Windows ME/ 2000/ XP or later version of Windows
    • ...
    Boo, hiss. Who's up for some driver coding?
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    1. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Somebody else. Free software is like that, one million eyeballs and one burnt out developer!

      Gimmie gimmie gimme!

    2. Re:Warm up the keyboard by softwave · · Score: 5, Funny

      Boo, hiss. Who's up for some driver coding?
      by any means, feel free :)

    3. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      include sig: profit

    4. Re:Warm up the keyboard by qmchenry · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought, too. Digital cable decoder under Linux would be very cool. No more open loop, cross your fingers and hope the IR signals change the digital tuner and curse when they don't.

    5. Re:Warm up the keyboard by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why can't this happen, linux "adopts" or "implements" Windows driver model, so that Windows drivers for devices like this can be installed and used?

      I know some of this exists for the wireless networking stuff, and nVidia and ATi's linux efforts are pretty much recompiles of the windows drivers..

      Hell, even forget Windows driver model.. Come up with a new, universal model. Hardware companies only need to write and test one driver which you go ahead and use under Windows, Linux, BSD, OS/X, whatever..

      Thats my idea anyways. Something to take the world one step closer to my dream where the OS installed on your machine doesn't mean shit, since they all implement the same API's, run the same binaries, and use the same drivers. Less glory for the kernel hackers, perhaps.

      This is what bothers me about linux' monolithic approach. It's like NIH syndrome to the extreme. Every driver for every piece of hardware has to be rewritten by scratch and approved by Linus to make it into the kernel. It's a longer process than submitting your drivers to MSFT to be "digitally signed" and stuck on Windows Update.

      As for this card, there's likely proprietary trade secrets and bullshit in there and the specs will never be released. They're probably under contract to enforce the "no copy" bit and macrovision output and all that BS. That stuff could be changed in an OSS driver, so that driver can't exist. That's why no TV out from ATi for linux - legally they have to ensure that anytime a DVD is played, macrovision on the TV out is enabled..

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    6. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      URL below for the Linux drivers of the australian Fusion 3 DVB-T card. There is is another guy working on Fusion 3 QAM drivers.
      Australian Fusion 3 DVB-T http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/DVICO-Linux/
      Fusion 3 QAM http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=4b 61d124b991cf13fdca49dfd8dac73b&threadid=421385

    7. Re:Warm up the keyboard by ianbnet · · Score: 1

      "For the Linux buffs out there, check out PCHDTV when you get a chance. This company offers a software-based HDTV Tuner Card similar to the original Fusion I design which is exclusively for Linux. It uses the Xine engine for the HD decoding."

      -- from the review. I imagine your comp will need some serious power under the hood though.

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    8. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Donoho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Free software is like that, one million eyeballs and one burnt out developer!

      That's the beauty of free software... all it takes is one burn out developer to get the ball rolling, with no allegiance or agenda other than getting the necessary job done.

    9. Re:Warm up the keyboard by bsd4me · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hell, even forget Windows driver model.. Come up with a new, universal model. Hardware companies only need to write and test one driver which you go ahead and use under Windows, Linux, BSD, OS/X, whatever..

      Not to sound like a prick, but have you ever written a device driver?

      The unix device driver model (or at least it used to; I haven't written a unix driver in years) is fairly simple. The driver defines a few entry points: read(), write(), ioctl(), open(), close(), and select() (am I missing any?). That is pretty much where the similarity ends. The code to actually talk to the device (ie, the register level stuff) is the same between OSes, but the OS stuff is for the most part really OS dependent. This is more complicated now because of kernel threading and other modern kernel techniques.

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    10. Re:Warm up the keyboard by modge · · Score: 1

      You say that like its a bad thing

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    11. Re:Warm up the keyboard by enrico_suave · · Score: 1

      I'm still looking for more info, but I think most of the heavy lifting is done on the software side of this card (not that is an excuse for a lack of a linux driver)

      but take that for what it is... (kinda like the old winmodems, sorta...)

      *shrug*

      e.

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    12. Re:Warm up the keyboard by sigaar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I know some of this exists for the wireless networking stuff, and nVidia and ATi's linux efforts are pretty much recompiles of the windows drivers.."

      Have you looked at any of the linux forums lately? The nVidia, ATi, and ndiswrapper (sp?) are some of the most troublesome drivers.

      "Hell, even forget Windows driver model.. Come up with a new, universal model."

      Although I agree with the sentiment, it will be a cold day in hell before Microsoft plays along with this, and even if they do, they'll change it, "enhance" it, break it, customise it and screw it up so badly (and the whole industry will settle on Microsoft's version) that it won't work properly on any other OS in any way.

      I think when ATi stopped providing specs to the open source developers for their graphics cards, they saw for the first time just how many sales their opensource support secure for them. Hence they started making the drivers. I think if nVidia drop their Linux/BSD driver support, they'll see a fair chunk of their sales disappear.

      "Every driver for every piece of hardware has to be rewritten by scratch and approved by Linus to make it into the kernel."

      Which is done for the same reason that MS has the WHQL driver program.

      I agree with your sentiment, but it will never happen. One by one companies will wake up and start supporting OSS development or provide drivers. And when they do (if they provide quality drivers), they'll see their sales rise.

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    13. Re:Warm up the keyboard by tchuladdiass · · Score: 2, Informative

      Isn't that what the UDI project was for? http://projectudi.sourceforge.net/.
      Thing is, it was never really accepted by the kernel community, for a few of reasons: 1) it adds another layer between the driver and the kernel, which causes a theoretical performance penalty (which doesn't seem to exist in the sample drivers). 2) it could encourage more binary-only drivers, whereas by keeping the api a moving target, it would encourage the manufactures to either release source, or not provide drivers at all. And, 3) (the best reason yet) -- it would open up the possibility for Windows to "steal" the higher-quality Linux drivers.
      Personally, I would think that the benifits of wider adoption of the UDI model (or similar) would far outweigh the problems.

    14. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what bothers me about linux' monolithic approach. It's like NIH syndrome to the extreme. Every driver for every piece of hardware has to be rewritten by scratch and approved by Linus to make it into the kernel. It's a longer process than submitting your drivers to MSFT to be "digitally signed" and stuck on Windows Update.


      You do realise that you can use modules (like the nvidia one, say) that aren't part of Linus's kernel? You also realise that if you link a black-box closed source module to your kernel, you lose the ability to debug your system in a rational way?

      Anyone is free to develop drivers for linux. If the code is good, it's licensed under the GPL, and it's for a piece of hardware that's likely to be in wide circulation, it'll get in Linus's kernel.

      If Linus doesn't like your driver, one of the distributions is free to include it (maybe it's for a specialist piece of hardware used in the market that your distributor is targetting).

      If it has a non-compatible licence, you can still obtain and use it.

    15. Re:Warm up the keyboard by SpiritOfGrandeur · · Score: 1

      I am sorry does it not work with your MS-DOS, or is it your Win 3.1?

    16. Re:Warm up the keyboard by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course, the problem with free software is that this driver won't full support the features of the device for several years and due to poor access to documentation or software-only features may never support some things that make the card worth buying. The software and the driver itself will probably have an inscrutable, ugly and complex interface that only works from the command line/KDE/Gnome and if you have a problem with it your only options are to fix it yourself (assuming you have programming ability and can figure out what the problem is) or pay a high hourly price for somebody else to do it.

      Meanwhile, your stupid buddies who paid their Windows Tax have been running the thing for a year without a major problem, and have spent all the time they saved by not fucking around with beta drivers watching TV and generally enjoying their purchase. Problems they had during setup were fixed by the company's technical support staff because their platform is actually supported.

      Of course, if the company EOL's the card or goes out of business entirely, the Linux driver will still work, whereas the Windows version will stagnate and die. Iomega, I'm looking in your direction as I type this.

      In short: the beauty of free-as-in-beer is only skin deep, and its true value -- free-as-in-freedom -- lies underneath a mountain of major annoyances.

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    17. Re:Warm up the keyboard by digitalgiblet · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If I had moderator points today I would mod this one up (parent message of this reply for those keeping score at home). Pessimistic (from the OSS point of view), but fair and insightful.

      Free-as-in-freedom is worth much more than free-as-in-beer, but it does come with costs. ALL freedom comes with costs...

      Like everything else in life, we must pick our battles. As much as I value the ideals of free-as-in-freedom software, I am also pragmatic enough to know that my TIME is worth something, and I must pick and choose the places where I am willing to trade time for freedom or freedom for time.

    18. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Curtman · · Score: 1

      I have a digital video receiver now. It's called mldonkey

    19. Re:Warm up the keyboard by The+Spoonman · · Score: 1

      Goddamn that was just one of the most brilliant posts I've seen on this damn site. Finally, someone who gets that free software can cost too much in terms of time.

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    20. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Curtman · · Score: 1
      • Have you looked at any of the linux forums lately? The nVidia, ATi, and ndiswrapper (sp?) are some of the most troublesome drivers.


      Gatos works great with the multimedia features of the All In Wonder, and has for a very long time. I've been using Gatos/Xatitv since my first All In Wonder Mach64 PCI, way back in RedHat 5.2. It's the 3D stuff that is problematic.

      • I think when ATi stopped providing specs to the open source developers for their graphics cards, they saw for the first time just how many sales their opensource support secure for them.


      They never stopped giving out specs, from what I hear they just withheld them for a while. The documentation is there, the motivation to work on the drivers fell away when the proprietary binary only driver reared its ugly head.

      ATI used to fund development of opensource drivers. Now they feed us half working closed source stuff. I'll upgrade my All In Wonder when there's a decent driver for it, and thats all thats holding me back.
    21. Re:Warm up the keyboard by wobblie · · Score: 1

      duh ... if you use linux, you get the cutting edge shit from two years ago. Not a bad compromise at all, considering the stuff is usually dirt cheap.

    22. Re:Warm up the keyboard by wine_slob · · Score: 0



      Oh, free software... For a minute there, I thought you were talking about Voom...

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    23. Re:Warm up the keyboard by sigaar · · Score: 1

      I was actually referring to the binary-only driver. They are no better than their windows versions. They introduce Windows limitations to Linux.

      My fear is that by sharing drivers with Windows, Linux's stability will be severely compromised.

      Thanks for the info on the Gatos drivers. I haven't looked at them for a while, last time I did they only supported XFree86-4.2, and that was long after most distros standardised on 4.3. Although, for my hardware, 4.3 offers me nothing that 4.2 doesn't, I've never wanted to mess around with downgrading XFree86.

      As far as I understand, ATi doesn't give out *all* the specs to the newer cards, because the cards use technology licenced from other companies and ATi are not at liberty to devulge that info. Same as nVidia.

      I just hope that the ATi binary drivers catch up with the nVidia ones soon in terms of stability and ease of installation. nVidia has come along way. The first time I installed it it meant doing a lot by hand, now it's just run the binary, run Sax2 (in SUSE) and you're go. I believe on Mandrake it's a similar routine, don't know about the rest.

      For now I'm happy with my Radeon 7500 128MB - I don't have to do anything special to get it to work, and it's fast enough to play Doom III

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    24. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Meanwhile, your stupid buddies who paid their Windows Tax have been running the thing for a year without a major problem, and have spent all the time they saved by not fucking around with beta drivers watching TV and generally enjoying their purchase."

      er-mmm... who's stupid in this case again?

    25. Re:Warm up the keyboard by Curtman · · Score: 1

      As far as I understand, ATi doesn't give out *all* the specs to the newer cards, because the cards use technology licenced from other companies and ATi are not at liberty to devulge that info.

      They require you to sign a non-disclosure agreement that still allows you to develop FOSS software somehow. Seems rediculous to me, but thats the case.

      I wish the binary drivers would go away, so work would pick up again on the free drivers.

  2. I'm downloading the demo in the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Including some of the HDTV samples... I wonder how much I'll get done before they're slashdotted.

  3. Review's Conclusion (plus linux advice): by BubbaThePirate · · Score: 5, Informative
    Quoth the site:

    "Conclusion

    The Fusion HDTV III QAM can be seen online at specialty stores like Digital Connection for around $170.00. This is around $100.00 cheaper than a similar hardware decoder card by MyHD. However, I'm certain that the MyHD or AccessDTV cards will deliver a far more stable image. What the Fusion has going for it is QAM reception and the included DVD convector software. It also functions with TitanTV for scheduled recording. If you are concerned about possible jerkiness and dropped frames (I assume you are) you should first try out the demo from the DVico website. ATI's card appears to be a software-based card as well from what I can tell. This card retails for $199.00 but I have not had the opportunity to test it. For the Linux buffs out there, check out PCHDTV when you get a chance. This company offers a software-based HDTV Tuner Card similar to the original Fusion I design which is exclusively for Linux. It uses the Xine engine for the HD decoding. Fun Stuff."

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    1. Re:Review's Conclusion (plus linux advice): by evangellydonut · · Score: 1

      for $100 extra, i bought a MyHD120 w/DVI daughter card, and must say that except the software interface, I've been VERY happy with it... not impressed by Fusion or ATI...

    2. Re:Review's Conclusion (plus linux advice): by timts · · Score: 0

      ati has a HDTV card as well.

    3. Re:Review's Conclusion (plus linux advice): by Ishin · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting that information as the site has dumped from the slashdot effect.

      It should be noted, however, that all of the janus based cards (hauppage, myhd, accessdtv) I tried didn't work worth a damn in windows2000 (and no one seems concerned enough to fix it) and the ATi card ONLY works in windows xp (and apparently won't let you rip transport streams making it much less useful than the other mentioned cards)

      This fusion hdtv III card looks to be the most promising of the lot. The fact that it does most of its work through software is even better: it's more easily hackable. :)

    4. Re:Review's Conclusion (plus linux advice): by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVB card is around for many years. Twinhan DVB card only cost 80$, which delivers satisfactory videos.

    5. Re:Review's Conclusion (plus linux advice): by Babbster · · Score: 1
      Hacking's great and all, but the fact that this product works in software seems a disincentive to folks who don't want to set up a dedicated PC for HDTV/home theater use. Even if the decoding were working well (according to the review it's not, with dropped frames, jerky picture, etc.), you'd still be stuck using the bulk of your processor cycles decoding HD.

      Even if one WAS going to set up a dedicated HDTV PC, the extra $100 for a hardware-based solution could easily be made up by the ability to use a much cheaper processor and motherboard. The specs for MyHD, for example, specify a minimum processor speed of 400 MHz and a minimum 64MB (!!) of RAM, with the attendant potential decrease in size (use the smallest case you can find since you won't need a lot of cooling) and noise. Even being forced to buy a Windows OS doesn't add to the price as much as buying state-of-the-art hardware would.

      Based on this review, this seems to be of interest only to hobbyists. The quality sounds sketchy at best and the price doesn't make up (in my mind, at least) for the disadvantages of using a software-based solution.

  4. Wheee! by general_re · · Score: 4, Funny
    Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Too many connections in /home/virtual/site27/fst/var/www/html/mainfile.php 4 on line 19
    Unable to select database

    What a great review - now where can I get my hands on this thing? :)

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    1. Re:Wheee! by Nos. · · Score: 1

      Since its slasdotted, I won't even try and go there, but how much you want to be they should be using mysql_connect instead of mysql_pconnect. Persistant connections usually aren't the way to go.

    2. Re:Wheee! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      They can be pretty useful, but most certainly not when called from a web page :) It's a very common mistake, I've noticed. Usually affecting bittorrent trackers...

    3. Re:Wheee! by Jack+Kolesar · · Score: 1

      Hey Thanks! I went ahead and changed it. Hopefully, it works a little better. The PHP WAS an Out of Box package from a while back. I've changed it a lot though. Hopefully the MySQL connections work better.

  5. great by Nuttles · · Score: 5, Funny

    techies already don't get enough exercise, now I won't have to even swival my chair to look from my monitor to my TV. Isn't there a lobbying group for the the support of tech people not gaining any more weight? Where is my representation? Where is my protection from myself?

    Nuttles
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    1. Re:great by CreatureComfort · · Score: 2, Funny


      Yes, but the lobbying group is sponsored by McDonalds and Mt. Dew.

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  6. Anyone grab a mirror? by ralf1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Prior to the instant server death? Or know the product name since its not referenced in the summary, so I can look for something on it?

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    1. Re:Anyone grab a mirror? by symbeon · · Score: 1

      I didn't grab a mirror, but here is the product name directly from it: Fusion III QAM HDTV Tuner Card

  7. you bastards by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was really interested in reading this article, as I've been looking for something to do this, and with only 4 comments posted, this is what I get:

    Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Too many connections in /home/virtual/site27/fst/var/www/html/mainfile.php 4 on line 19
    Unable to select database

    Now that AMDPower's servers have melted into a pool of molten plastic and silicon on the datacenter floor, I hope you're happy!

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    1. Re:you bastards by radixvir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe if they would have used Intel processors in their servers.

      Zing!

    2. Re:you bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Now that AMDPower's servers have melted into a pool of molten plastic and silicon on the datacenter floor

      Did the heatsinks fall off? :)

    3. Re:you bastards by teutonic_leech · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the kind of crap the marketing/sales weenies are going to give the techies running this site? I mean, getting slashdotted is a sales drone's moist dream - and instead of learning about the product we see yet another proof that PHP is insecure and broken.
      Anyway, I don't want to be a sysadmin on that site today...

    4. Re:you bastards by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1
      Now that AMDPower's servers have melted into a pool of molten plastic and silicon on the datacenter floor, I hope you're happy!
      Maybe if they would have used Intel processors in their servers.

      Great idea, then slashdot would be blamed for kicking off a china syndrome reaction. I always thought the Earthe didn't have enough holes in it!
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    5. Re:you bastards by exhilaration · · Score: 1
      PHP is insecure and broken

      What does this have to do with PHP being insecure and broken??? The fact that they can't handle the traffic has nothing to do with their choice of software. It'd be like saying that "AMD processors are insecure and broken" because these guys can't handle the traffic. You've never seen a Slashdotting before??

  8. It's all fun and games... by xenostar · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's all fun and games until you delete something important because you were watching the Olsen twins make out with each other in the always-on-top TV window in the corner of your screen.

    1. Re:It's all fun and games... by Mr+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd be more worried about most people here needing to replace their keyboards after watching something like that.

    2. Re:It's all fun and games... by Wescotte · · Score: 4, Funny

      Uh, if you were watching the Olsen twins making out with each other I doubt you'd have a hand free to accidently delete something

    3. Re:It's all fun and games... by dmayle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Olsen twins make out with each other

      Yeah, but one of them would be the fat one... ;)

    4. Re:It's all fun and games... by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      If anyonewas of a size to need BOTH hands to occupy themselves, they wouldn't be reading /. - they'd be making porn.

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    5. Re:It's all fun and games... by techefnet · · Score: 0

      havent you heard of multi-tasking?!

    6. Re:It's all fun and games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys are showing your age.

    7. Re:It's all fun and games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      watching the Olsen twins make out with each other in the always-on-top TV window in the corner of your screen
      What channel?

    8. Re:It's all fun and games... by Wescotte · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we're either under 18 or over 40.

  9. thé dept by Barryke · · Score: 1

    from the dept.
    Sounds 007-isch doesn't it?

    [offtopic]
    But actualy, is this story, like many the past week, actualy -on- topic?
    [less offtopic]

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  10. Not the holy grail... by jared_hanson · · Score: 4, Informative

    What is really needed in this space is a decoder card that also has a CableCARD slot. I don't care whether the CableCARD is inside the case or has an external slot, it doesn't really matter to me.

    The fact of the matter is that most QAM signals on digital cable are scrambled. Previously, you had to have a set-top box with descrambling chips in it to watch the TV. With cable card, however, these crypto chips are sparated out so the cable company can had you a CableCARD, and you can buy whatever set-top box you want.

    So, even if you get this card, you aren't going to be able to watch many digital cable channels with it since they will all be encrypted (at least here in the US). Now, when they release a version with CableCARD, I'll jump all over it (and begin the search/code for Linux drivers).

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    1. Re:Not the holy grail... by bofkentucky · · Score: 3, Funny

      As I understand it, the 1st Gen Cablecard spec is pretty crippled, straight decrypt only. For Program Guides/PPV/other, we have to wait for CableCard v2

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    2. Re:Not the holy grail... by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      Yep, it's a one-way, downstream only standard right now. If you use it in a TV with built in CableCARD, for instance, you lose some features of the set-top box such as guide listings, ordering PPV, and all that. The two-way standard will be much better, but also is quite a ways away since the technical hurdles are quite large.

      However, for devices with external network connectivity, you can get around some of the downsides. For instance, if you had a computer with a CableCARD, you could just download guide listings over the Internet to set-up a PVR type device. TiVo will likely do something very similar if it ever sells a CableCARD device.

      Lack of guide listings is, to me, the thing I would miss most about a CableCARD only device. You can get guide listings easily enough off the Internet if you are doing a custom solution.

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    3. Re:Not the holy grail... by enrico_suave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>
      What is really needed in this space is a decoder card that also has a CableCARD slot. I don't care whether the CableCARD is inside the case or has an external slot, it doesn't really matter to me.
      broadcast flag not withstanding in June 05)...

      I'm pretty sure they have something like that in europe where you can slide your card into a Nexus-S and get your legitimate paid for Satellite signals... no such love in the US.

      The only other way to go, for PC based HDTV digital signal chain that's NOT OTA DTV, is some sort of shennanigans using firewire port on the back of a HDTV reciever... but I haven't seen alot of that software out there (either legitimately or "underground")...

      *shrug* some day they will build it...

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    4. Re:Not the holy grail... by enrico_suave · · Score: 1

      (sorry for repeat /. ate most of my post)

      What is really needed in this space is a decoder card that also has a CableCARD slot. I don't care whether the CableCARD is inside the case or has an external slot, it doesn't really matter to me.


      Here, Here! Once I was able to get to the 3rd page, I was dissapointed to see that it only supports unencrypted QAM... and if you are lucky enough to be on a cable company that has unencrypted QAM content, how long do you think THAT is gonna last...

      I had my hopes up... now they are dashed...

      The poster above nailed it... Looking for a PCI card that has a daughter card/slot/thingie for a CableCARD to legitimately (broadcast flag not withstanding in June 05)...

      I'm pretty sure they have something like that in europe where you can slide your card into a Nexus-S and get your legitimate paid for Satellite signals... no such love in the US.

      The only other way to go, for PC based HDTV digital signal chain that's NOT OTA DTV, is some sort of shennanigans using firewire port on the back of a HDTV reciever... but I haven't seen alot of that software out there (either legitimately or "underground")...

      *shrug* some day they will build it...

      e.

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    5. Re:Not the holy grail... by KromsBrother · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would it not be possible to write some decryption software to decode scrambled digital signals? Something like how a Nagravision encrypted satellite stream can be decrypted through emulation of a smart card.

    6. Re:Not the holy grail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, cable companies are now required to carry HDTV broadcasts in an unscrambled format, per their license. Just as all the ATSC channels are. My cable company (Cox) reluctantly began transmitting all local HD channels unscrambled beginning August 1st.

    7. Re:Not the holy grail... by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      Yes, but just local channels are required to be unscrambled. This is just the ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX affiliates. Any other non-local channels (ESPN, Discovery Channel, HBO, etc, etc) will be encrypted. A vast majority of the content on a digital cable network is encrypted.

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    8. Re:Not the holy grail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Don't hold your breath. If you read the CableCARD POD licensing agreement, it is quite clear that a PCI card based implementation can never meet the requirements of the license agreement. That is, the requirement to guarantee that the DRM flags are being observed...can't do that when the mpeg2 transport stream travels in the clear of the pci bus after being decrypted. You'll never see a PCI HDTV/QAM tuner with CableCARD POD for Linux.

    9. Re:Not the holy grail... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "The fact of the matter is that most QAM signals on digital cable are scrambled."

      Are you talking about the pay stations (HBO, Showtime, etc)...or all of them...even the ones that would be 'free over the air' type HD station broadcasts?

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    10. Re:Not the holy grail... by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you define majority. If you equate one hour of CSI to one hour of travel documentary on Discovery you will get results that don't reflect the viewing habits of most people. For entertainment programming in HD you have all the OTA networks: ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, WB, UPN, and PBS and then there is HBO and Showtime with a few popular programs. Since so few cable networks have converted to HD while essentially all new OTA network programs are HD (even on the WB, UPN is the exception with very little HD content so far). Notice that if you live in one of many markets (Minneapolis being one) you can connect an antenna to that card and get a great deal of HD for $0 per month.

      So if you count hours of new entertainment programming, I think you will still get the majority of content in unscrambled form. If you factor in ratings I think the lead would increase. Sports are another matter.

  11. Innie, not Outtie by grunt107 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the pictures it looks like all connections are inputs, with no TVOut.

    It would be nice if this had composite out to TV(A/V), not just the 'Play on PC'. Combine w/PC-based controller (MythTV), and I would not need to add HDDVR and HDTuner to get HD picture.

    1. Re:Innie, not Outtie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but composite connections don't carry an HDTV signal.

    2. Re:Innie, not Outtie by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      You aren't going to get HD picture with composite out anyways.. Or are you talking about component cables?

      Presumably, if you had a decent HDTV, it'd accept the SVGA from your videocard..

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    3. Re:Innie, not Outtie by grunt107 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, brain methane (compONENT was intended). I'd have to recheck, but the TV (Panasonic 34") has a billion component connections and a few SVid, but not recalling SVGA.

    4. Re:Innie, not Outtie by AnyNoMouse · · Score: 1
      If your video card happens to be an ATI, most of their cards can use a $30 VGA to Component adaptor.

      I'm not sure if NVidia has something similar.

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    5. Re:Innie, not Outtie by dmayle · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but one of them would be the fat one... ;)

    6. Re:Innie, not Outtie by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Then the card would require a hardware MPEG2 decoder which would add about $100 to the price - see all the other such cards available like the AccessDTV and the MyHD, etc, all at a pricepoint at least $100 more than this one. If all you want is composite out, then all you need is the the composite/svideo on your regular video card, neither of which is capable of full hdtv res anyway.

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    7. Re:Innie, not Outtie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the ability of the card to use DxVA (DirectX Video Acceleration) with say an R8500 was pretty cool. Seeing as ATI sells a VGA to component adapter for their cards (assuming 8500 and up) you could send the HD output to your HDTV. And w/ the software scalers and progressive whatnot, you could watch that 1080i signal in 1080p. Or even scale normal 480i type signals to your HDTVs native resolution.

      I doubt there's a DxVA equivilant in linux, or hell even driver support for the component adapter for ATI cards. I'm sure the folks w/ MythTV boxes would know better than I.

    8. Re:Innie, not Outtie by Patrick · · Score: 1
      I doubt there's a DxVA equivilant in linux, or hell even driver support for the component adapter for ATI cards. I'm sure the folks w/ MythTV boxes would know better than I.

      XvMC helps accelerate MPEG playback. I know it works on recent NVidia cards. Looks like it works on Via and Savage. ATI, I don't know.

      MythTV and MPlayer have support (maybe through patches?) for XvMC.

      I don't have an XvMC video card. Just passing along what I've seen on MythTV forums.

    9. Re:Innie, not Outtie by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      If you want to speculate about the actual product go to its website: http://www.dvico.com/. If your PC has a video card with DVI out as an option you can send the HD signal (not some pathetic neutered NTSC version that would have to go out an S-Video or composite video port). You can also send the unaltered transport stream out a FireWire port to an HD compatible FireWire port on another device. Examples would include D-VHS decks, some DVR's that are appearing and some Mitsubishi TV's will take FireWire input.

  12. Can you cut out the cable modem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It receives digital cable signals straight in? I wonder if there's a way to have it act as a tuner and an in-computer cable modem, too?

    I wouldn't mind having a bit more control over my cable internet hookup...

    Picture in picture in picture on the computer monitor would be nice. A little live TV feed in the corner of the second monitor would have been a great way to keep up on hurricane Charlie last weekend.

    AJH

    1. Re:Can you cut out the cable modem? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Zoom makes a PCI docsis modem.

    2. Re:Can you cut out the cable modem? by taniwha · · Score: 1

      for PIP you'll need 2 tuners/qam demods .... unless the 2 channels just happen to be on the same qam

  13. Would this work with UK Digital Cable? by hattig · · Score: 1

    I don't care about the HDTV thing myself, but it would be cool if somehow I could receive my digital cable straight into my computer. That or digital terrestrial in the UK. Anyone got any information about achieving this with NTL cable?

    1. Re:Would this work with UK Digital Cable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Check out linuxtv.org

      Works great with mythtv for both digital cable and freeview

    2. Re:Would this work with UK Digital Cable? by elFarto+the+2nd · · Score: 1

      In the UK you'll need a DVB-T card for digital terrestrial, a DVB-C card for NTL, or a DVB-S card for Sky.

      The problem with NTL is the decryption. You can get a Nagra Vision CAM and a DVB-C card that'll except it, but apparentely the NTL card is matched to your NTL box, and it will not work in any other.

      Regards
      elFarto
    3. Re:Would this work with UK Digital Cable? by NoMaster · · Score: 1
      Check out linuxtv.org
      Ah, you bastard! That's why linuxtv.org / directfb.org has been down since last night, just when I wanted to CVS the directfb stuff!

      I hope you realise you've prevented me from getting the G450 TV-out working with my Nova-T DVB-T card...
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  14. T'was wondering by BubbaThePirate · · Score: 1

    I never seem to see conclusions cited in links to reviews. Is quoting them a faux pas?

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    1. Re:T'was wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      consider the posting a trailer or teaser, if you will, for the article. you don't go to a movie and wacth the endings of 8 movies before the feature starts do you? what incentive would you have to read the article if you knew the author's conclusion?

      plain and simple.

  15. what about encrypted digital content by gordona · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its fine to have a card that can receive QAM signals from cable. However, as the article states, this card can only receive in-the-clear (unencrypted) content. Since most cable operators in north america encrypt their high value content (HD is definitely high value), the ability of the card to decode QAM signals is of limited value. Additionally, the modulation modes are not evident. That is, can the card decode 64QAM and 256QAM?

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    1. Re:what about encrypted digital content by radixvir · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is, can the card decode 64QAM and 256QAM?

      it says in the article it can decode both

    2. Re:what about encrypted digital content by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What about decrypting it in software?

      I know there were tons of software descramblers for Nargavision, or whatever that was called.

      Can a digital cable signal be decrypted? How strong is the encryption? As old as it is, I'd imagine the first digital set top boxes couldn't have had too much horsepower, so the scheme must be relatively simple to decode that much data on-the-fly..

      Could "decoders" (password hashes?) be bought and downloaded from the cable company?

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    3. Re:what about encrypted digital content by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      Could "decoders" (password hashes?) be bought and downloaded from the cable company?
      I'd estimate the chance of the cable company agreeing to that to be about, oh, I don't know, zero maybe?
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    4. Re:what about encrypted digital content by gordona · · Score: 1

      The encoding schemes in north america are those developed by Scientific Atlanta and Motorola. The encryption is rather strong (that is, it has not been cracked yet) and keys are changed every 3 seconds. Additionally, the encryption schemes are proprietary. It is true that the 1st digital boxes didn't have much punch, but they were able to decrypt content and do the mpeg decoding, but not much else. The next crop of digital cable devices, will have removable security modules, but the jury is out about just how secure those will be compared to the embedded security currently being used.

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    5. Re:what about encrypted digital content by aschneid · · Score: 1

      According to the article it can decode both, however go to the referenced Digital Connections page in the summary (places you can buy it). Digital Connections has some warnings on there that QAM256 almost always works and that QAM64 is much more hit and miss.

      Andrew

    6. Re:what about encrypted digital content by wonderwidget · · Score: 1

      I am new at this and am just looking into it...so forgive my naivety. Couldn't you place the htpc between the cable box and your tv and capture the unencrypted content streaming from the cable box?

    7. Re:what about encrypted digital content by gordona · · Score: 1

      no. The HD (1394, DVI) outputs on cable boxes are protected for for copy protected content. The data path in the cable box for unencrypted content is rather well protected. There is no QAM output from cable receiver.

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    8. Re:what about encrypted digital content by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      "able operators in north america encrypt their high value content (HD is definitely high value)"

      You might benefit from some fact checking before making definitive pronouncements. According to FCC regulation, cable TV operators are NOT allowed to encrypt signals they obtain from OTA sources. Not all cable operators will necessarily be in compliance but such companies are violating their regulations and can face penalties if reported to the FCC. There are details I am glossing over but the claim that everything will be encrypted is a red herring.

    9. Re:what about encrypted digital content by gordona · · Score: 1

      I am well aware of this. What I am referring to is cable content from non-OTA sources, which is the bulk of the content that cable carries. For OpenCable devices without CableCards, the only content that can be rendered by the receiver would be non-encrypted content most likely delivered from OTA sources.

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    10. Re:what about encrypted digital content by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      "...I am referring to is cable content from non-OTA sources..."

      You were referring to HD content in a manner that I thought implied that HD would all be encrypted rendering a QAM receiver like the Dvico board unusable for cable. If it were not for the FCC regulation I would agree with that position. But don't forget the original reason for the existence of cable TV. It allowed people to get OTA signals that would otherwise be unviewable with an antenna.

      There will always be a large number of people who need cable in order to get good reception of OTA stations. For them an HDTV tuner card that handles QAM will be just what they need for no fewer than 7 networks that provide original HDTV programming. It won't handle HBO or Showtime (or ESPN, Discovery, etc). But whereas the broadcast stations have been given their marching orders for HDTV, the numerous cable networks have no such enforced motivation and some may never upgrade.

    11. Re:what about encrypted digital content by gordona · · Score: 1

      I agree with this. One issue is that for OTA content, the HD tuner card and software must rely on PSIP data for program guide. Cable does not use PSIP. Consequently, the channel line up indicated by the PSIP data may not correspond to the program line up on the cable. Furthermore, the user of the card will not have access to the SI or EPG data, from which the actual lineup of programs on cable is derived.

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    12. Re:what about encrypted digital content by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      "the HD tuner card and software must rely on PSIP data for program guide"

      Nope. I have one of the first generation Dvico cards so I can verify that it works fine with TitanTV.com. The remaining question is if TitanTV has the correct channel lineup for your cable system. I can't verify that detail since I don't subscribe to cable but when you examine the web site they certainly seem to have the cable channel mapping question addressed. By clicking on the appropriate button on the web site you either schedule a recording or if the program is currently playing the channel is changed to that program.

    13. Re:what about encrypted digital content by gordona · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Guide data is generally proprietary and channel line ups differ across cable networks. I suspect that the program lineup for strict OTA programming carried over cable (without a CableCard) follows the virtual channel table in PSIP and that TitanTV.com is utilizing that data.

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  16. Does anyone need to be told this is a bad idea? by Spoing · · Score: 0
    Unfortunately, it looks like they do!

    1. clue: Don't do this silly stupid $#!7.
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    1. Re:Does anyone need to be told this is a bad idea? by Spoing · · Score: 1

      Ignore previous comment...thought I posted this to the RNC DOS thread! :(

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  17. The card does not work properly with QAM channels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although I have posted about this before, I have recieved "threats" due to my "misrepresentation" of the card on slashdot. Do a search on http://www.avsforums.com and you will see that the software for this card is flaky and Fusion will not release the specifications so independant driver development can take place. If you buy this card, only get it for over-the-air HDTV. Again, do your research before buying this card, it does not work as advertised.

  18. Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ObviousGuy's password was too obvious?

  19. Article Mirror? by diagnosis · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I have included the text of the article below, in case the site gets slashdotted:

    Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Too many connections in /home/virtual/site27/fst/var/www/html/mainfile.php 4 on line 19
    Unable to select database

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  20. Summarized Review by ianbnet · · Score: 5, Informative

    This took me forever to put together (F5 F5 F5), so you better like it. This is a very partial selection of the review; note that there are usually chunks missing between paragraphs. Go visit the site and give them ad revenue once they're stable again.

    Fusion III Gold QAM Card

    It has been nearly three years since I reviewed one of the first HDTV Tuner cards to hit the market. At that time, the Access DTV card retailed for $400.00 and the only HDTV station available in my area was the local CBS. While the adoption of High Definition has improved greatly, I have to admit that it has been slower than I expected. Equally as surprising is the limited availability of HDTV tuner cards. Until recently, there were few players in this market. I am happy to say that this is starting to change. Manufacturers such as Hauppauge, ATI, and Dvico have developed affordable HDTV cards. Today, we are looking at one of these cards, the Dvico Fusion III Gold QAM. What makes this card unique are some very exciting features that others do not offer. Most notably is the reception of QAM modulated streams. What is QAM you ask? Simply put, DIGITAL CABLE.

    The Fusion also allows you to adjust the display ratio for virtually any screen. One of the features that we beta testers fought for was the ability to do a Pan & Scan from a 16x9 source. Nearly all HDTV broadcast are in a 16x9 aspect ratio. However, not all content is in 16x9. So, if the local news is being shown on CBS-HD, there will be black bars on the left an right of the screen. This is acceptable for a 16x9 screen. However, if the image is being shown on a 4x3 screen (computer monitor), you end up with a square image inside of a square screen. Luckily, Pan & Scan allows you to fill the entire screen with the image.

    A recent feature which was added lately (not shown in this screenshot) is the ability to get analog audio through the PCI bus. Otherwise, you need to use an internal audio jumper cable for analog television. HDTV AC-3 audio is decoded through software and can be output as either 2CH analog, 5CH analog, or straight through the digital SPDIF out of your sound card.

    For those of you who have still not seen HDTV up close, stop now and go download the Fusion Demo. HDTV on a computer monitor is quite impressive. I found the image quality to be remarkable on the Fusion and have included some screen shots below. Keep in mind that these are compressed JPEGs. Here you can see analog TV next to HDTV from a real broadcast that I recordeed of the same sitcom. The images speak for themselves. Click for a larger view.

    NTSC Broadcast
    ATSC Broadcast

    While I found the image quality to be outstanding, I cannot say the same for the decoding capabilities. Some broadcasts seem to be quite jumpy depending on which version of drivers and software that I was using. 720P broadcasts were jumpier than 1080i. What is strange is that the CPU utilization was practically nothing using DxVA, around 30%. Still, at some times I saw dropped frames. When speaking to DVico about this, I was told that they are experiencing some problem with nForce based boards. However, I also tested the card on a VIA board with similar results. DvXA did deliver a much better image than pure-software decoding. Using software-only also restricts full-scale decoding. The software decoding option offers quarter, half, and full-scale decoding. Above half-scale was unwatchable on my 3200+. The image shown above is taken from a full-scale DxVA grab.

    Analog decoding was exceptional. The software has built-in deinterlacing capabilities which greatly improves the image quality of analog broadcasts. However, a full-out deinterlacer such as DScaler yields better results.

    QAM Decoding

    Here is where things get a bit tricky. While the Fusion III Gold QAM is capable of receiving and decoding QAM, it CANNOT decode an encrypted channel. That means that it depends entirely on what your local cable company is encrypting for their d

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    1. Re:Summarized Review by Ztras · · Score: 0, Troll

      > This took me forever to put together (F5 F5 F5), so you better like it.

      Haven't you been following the RNC 'hacking' thread today? Apparently reloading a page multiple times is a Denial of Service punishable by fines and jail and Ashcroft coming over to your house and giving you a stern talking to...

  21. Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by CoreyGH · · Score: 1, Redundant

    http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2546404 ATI has had this card out for a while. I don't own it, but I do have one of their regular all-in wonder cards. I've got no problems recording and time shifting video.

    On another note, many people have been talking about cable companies scrambling their HDTV cable channels. These cards aren't for receiving digital cable HDTV channels; they are for receiving OVER THE AIR HDTV broadcast channels (as well as regular analog cable channels).

  22. mySql: Too many connections by mbbac · · Score: 1

    Maybe they should try using PostgreSQL. Maybe even PowerPC instead of AMD. :)

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    1. Re: mySql: Too many connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their database server crashed... no looking for now...

  23. Link Alternative by pdamoc · · Score: 1

    www.amdpower.com died in front of my eyes.
    Maybe some of you could use an alternative link from our beloved internet archiver :D

  24. Is CableCARD even an option yet? by swb · · Score: 1

    Can you buy anything with this and do any cable companies even support it (ie, issuing the cards)? I know it's a real standard, but it's not here yet that I know about.

    It would enable a free-standing HD Tivo I could use with my HD cable service, since they could use the DirecTivo trick of recording the raw signal straight to disk, in addition to ditching the hated cable box.

    1. Re:Is CableCARD even an option yet? by The+Salamander · · Score: 2, Funny

      TimeWarner in Austin is already issuing the cards.

      You can receive all your channels, but no program guide, pay-per-view, or iControl.

    2. Re:Is CableCARD even an option yet? by jared_hanson · · Score: 4, Informative

      The FFC requires that any cable operator with over a certain amount of bandwidth on their network give out CableCARDs at the customer's request. As far as I know, the deadline for compliance was July 1st. I could be wrong on the specifics, but I do know the deadline has come and gone, so a majority of cable companies should comply by now. My cable company does.

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    3. Re:Is CableCARD even an option yet? by swb · · Score: 2, Funny

      What devices can current accept cable card?

    4. Re:Is CableCARD even an option yet? by jared_hanson · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't have a complete list by any means, but many of the latest HDTVs have CableCARD slots. For instance, the Pioneer PureVision plasma displays do. You can walk into any Best Buy and check them out. Got to the HDTV section and many of the TVs being sold will list CableCARD as a feature.

      As of yet, I know of no stand alone set-top box that has CableCARD compatibility. Rumors have it that TiVo once demoed a prototype that did, but if so, it has yet to see retail availablity.

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  25. Re:Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by figleaf · · Score: 3, Informative

    The ATI card has a chip to handle QAM but unfortunatenly it is disabled.
    Therefore it is no use for most Digital Cable in the US even if the signal is not encrypted.

  26. Parent is BS by Farmboy · · Score: 1

    the site is nothing but fake links, mod it down

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    1. Re:Parent is BS by Critical_ · · Score: 1

      Actually the site is http://www.avsforum.com and its not BS.

    2. Re:Parent is BS by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      It looks very close to BS to me. It's about one of the ugliest sites (of sites purporting actual practical use) I've ever seen. Hell, they even have a link in a news article on the front page for an Alexa-provided IE toolbar widget (i.e., spyware).

    3. Re:Parent is BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't mean that it's bullshit, though. If you read through the forums you'll be hard pressed to find a satsified customer. The consensus seems to be that sometimes it works and most of the time it does not, depending on whose cable you subscribe to. It also locks up a whole lot.

  27. holy snikeys! by enrico_suave · · Score: 1

    Their mysql database just took wretched, so I couldn't get passed page 1... BUT if this is true it's a big boon for the homebrew HDTV, HTPC, PVR, DVR scene (enough acronyms for ya?).

    I've got to get my hands on one of these stat!

    Anyone who read the whole article know how they are doing the modulated QAM? Is it via CableCards?

    E.

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  28. Re:Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by Jack+Kolesar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hi I'm the author of the article. Stupid little virtual server... Anyway, It does receive HDTV QAM. That is what it is built for. It also receives "standard" digital cable. It DOES need to be UNENCRYPTED though.

  29. Wrong... by Critical_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    The original post is 100% correct. S/he mistyped the address since its actually avsforum.com

  30. Who needs the cablecard? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, I've been thinking about modifying a few cable modems to intercept the QPSK OOB signal on digital cable, and spoof it. Have 2 cable modems, with some splitters and filters in between them, so that we can get QAM to the set top box, but the first cable modem could listen/talk to the headend, and the second cable modem could listen/talk to the cablebox.

    For instance, docsis cable modems would seem to be able to ahndle this, assuming they have a frequency agile tuner (most do, I believe), and aren't one chip solutions (RCA ones come to mind).

    Anyone care to comment?

    1. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by _anomaly_ · · Score: 3, Funny
      Anyone care to comment?

      If I knew what the hell you were talking about...
      :-)

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    2. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by alexburke · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've been thinking about modifying a few cable modems to intercept the QPSK OOB signal on digital cable, and spoof it. Have 2 cable modems, with some splitters and filters in between them, so that we can get QAM to the set top box, but the first cable modem could listen/talk to the headend, and the second cable modem could listen/talk to the cablebox.

      Oh. My. God.

      This tweaks my geek *bigtime*.

      I'm not an RF engineer, but I've done my share of DOCSIS fun in the past.

      Count me in... fire me an email if I can be of any assistance whatsoever!

      (Rant: GI/Motorola digital boxes are total garbage. SciAtl Explorer 3000 etc are the shit. Are you listening, Cogeco?)

    3. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      I may email you, in truth my interested has waned a bit from when I started.

      We're talking 2 cable modems alone, just to intercept and playback modified OOB, though. Two cable modems that have a JTAG port, and discernable insides, so that we can reprogram them. For all I know, it may even mean twiddling with the DSP, since these things only listen QPSK, they talk QAM on the upstream (OOB is QPSK both ways).

      It means having plenty of spare DCT2000s. It means having a BDM cable, and more smarts than I had when it came to using it. Best I could manage was a dump of the rom.

      It means having some filters that will block OOB both ways, some splitters, and likely a machine dedicated to eavesdropping on this. Not even sure what we'll hear... there are crypto schemes that are for all practical purposes unbreakable... it's just that when you start doing math, you discover that it would use alot of bandwidth just sending out video keys, 1 per person. Then again, we might see something really dumb, plaintext keys, or poorly signed command bytes... imagine eavesdropping on a DCT being provisioned, and substituting your own box's ID on the playback.

      Could be fun, just don't have enough talent to do it on my own. And dare I mention the trouble a person could get into?

    4. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I gave up my 5 digit /. account to say: I work at a headend. What you described doing will not work. If by chance you succeeded in getting it to work physically, you would not succeed at getting it to work logically. At least not with the system I run.

      The DNCS, billing or our exstensive monitoring would be just a few of the hurdles one would have to overcome.

      (To higher post) CableCard is just a means to deliver digital cable services without a settop box. A one remote type of thing. It was a federal mandate like 1394 on HD boxes. I think the feds feel it was a burden or tax to require a settop box in order to get digital content.

      CableCards handle encryption like settop boxes (NOT with chips!). Most digital content is encrypted now because QAM tuners are becoming more and more common. Can't have little Johnny playing with Dad's new Panasonic HDTV and surf to something that could scar him for life now could we?

      Anyway, since I'm anon, has anyone noticed that porn has slowly gone from strategically placed blocking X to XX penetration? Just wondering.

      "We're going to chase those crazy ballheads outta town!"

    5. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Um, working at a headend, you appear to be a monkey. I mean, if you understood what I said, then there are any number of arguments why it would work.

      Succeeded in making it work phsyically: You mean you don't give me enough credit to plug in an F-type coax connector?

      Or do you mean that I'd have trouble writing firmware for a docsis modem to access the digital cable tv OOB stream? That would be tough, especially for me, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. Alot of the lower level stuff is the same, and the tuners on these things are agile. Now add in some filters so that your signal can't get to the set-top box, and that the set-top box's signal can't get to your headend... some splitters, and strategically placed modified cable modems to listen to both (but to only talk to the set-top... just be mute to the headend).

      At that point, what would billing have to do with it? What would monitoring have to do with it? I don't know that free tv is even possible, but listening in on what the headend tells a box, and how a box responds seems like a realistic goal.

    6. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was referring to the modem modification. In addition, how would you listen/forge/send EMM's? They are delivered IB, encrypted. How do you spoof the DNCS and its encryption? Cable Modem -> DNCS, I dont think so. You seem to know a little. But this MonkeyBoy thinks you are talking out of your ass. I'm stangely interested tho. I'd like to hear more.

    7. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      IB is tough. Not really sure, maybe we need one of these PCI cards? Not familiar with DNCS, alot of the stuff I need to know is only in industry publications, which I don't have access to. I don't claim to know it all, to be honest. But I do think this would be the first part of the problem. Give me a little credit, I've opened more than a few DCT's, I've dumped more software off of them than I'm willing to publically admit, and any strictly DCT2000 modification has 0% chance of success. I suppose in theory, with the help of the engineers that designed it, it could be broken that way, but it simply isn't going to happen with only amateurs taking that angle.

      If you're willing to talk privately, contact me. Wouldn't even have to be two way communication, I don't want anyone to get anyone in trouble. And if you're clever, there'd even be a way to talk to me so *I* don't know your identity... check through my sig link.

    8. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      DNCS- Digital Network Controller System; Usually a Sun E450 or V880. It is the center of SA's digital network. If digital cable was a computer then the DNCS is the CPU. I stumbled across this thread on usenet: http://tinyurl.com/4u8mo

      Anyway, there are numerous obstacles to hacking digital cable. Admining Sun, Linux,win and SCO servers. Understanding IP,broadband AND RF. Not bad for a monkey? ;)

      I have your info. I'll try to figure out anon contact method. Like I said , I'm interested in this topic.

    9. Re:Who needs the cablecard? by alexburke · · Score: 1

      And dare I mention the trouble a person could get into?

      The DMCA doesn't apply here in Canada. :)

  31. Yup, avsforum(s) is no avsforum by maynard · · Score: 1

    The site we all care about is avsforum, not avsforum(s).com. As for the claims of "threats" and such made by the AC, well it doesn't pass my BS meter. Good call. --M

  32. Article Text - No karma whoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Introduction
    Fusion Box
    It has been nearly three years since I reviewed one of the first HDTV Tuner cards to hit the market. At that time, the Access DTV card retailed for $400.00 and the only HDTV station available in my area was the local CBS. While the adoption of High Definition has improved greatly, I have to admit that it has been slower than I expected. Equally as surprising is the limited availability of HDTV tuner cards. Until recently, there were few players in this market. I am happy to say that this is starting to change. Manufacturers such as Hauppauge, ATI, and Dvico have developed affordable HDTV cards. Today, we are looking at one of these cards, the Dvico Fusion III Gold QAM. What makes this card unique are some very exciting features that others do not offer. Most notably is the reception of QAM modulated streams. What is QAM you ask? Simply put, DIGITAL CABLE. This does NOT mean that you can buy the card and get free pay stations. We'll get further into this later. Let me first tell you how I came to know DVico.

    A little over a year ago, I became a beta tester for DVico's line of HDTV cards. What started as a stumble across a Google search turned into a year long journey testing various production and pre-production Dvico units. Before Dvico, all HDTV Tuner cards were hardware-based. This meant a dedicated Mpeg-2 decoder and increased cost. Out of curiosity, I started searching for a software-only solution that would offer the same functionality at a reduced cost. After all, the ATSC over-the-air signal is nothing more than an Mpeg-2 stream, albeit at a very high resolution and bitrate. While I was playing around at the AVSForums, I saw that Korean-based Dvico was accepting beta tester applications for a U.S. launch of their HDTV cards. The first card I tested was their FusionHDTV II, shown above. The FusionHDTV II would be their first US available HDTV Tuner card. It was also the first card on the market to use a software-based HDTV decoder. Soon after the release of the card, Dvico started experimenting with the possibility of decoding QAM signals. With the existing tuner chip on the HDTV II, it was not possible. However, after several revisions of cards and input from U.S. beta testers, Dvico delivered the Fusion III Gold QAM. It is the only HDTV tuner card on the market which can successfully decode QAM modulated digital cable stations. Today, we are reviewing that card. Let us first look at the specifications and features.

    Specs and Features
    The Fusion HDTV III Gold QAM is based off of Conexant's newest signal-decoder chip, the CX23882. Conexant has long been the industry standard when it comes to tuner cards. Their newest line of chips, is what allows the reception of QAM signals. Working together with the decoder chip is a Tecmic tuner chip. Since ATSC signals use standard UHF frequencies, the tuner portion of the card is nothing entirely special. The card has two RF inputs, one is for CATV and one for Over-The-Air. There is also an S-Video port and an Audio input which can be used to capture video from a Digital Cable Box, Camera, Playstation, etc. It can also be used to scale and upconvert video from an S-Vid or Composite source to hi-res. The S-Video port can be made into a composite port with a simple S-Video to Composite adapter. Such an adapter is not currently included in the package. When Dvico released the QAM version of this card, they added a daughter board which can be seen in the third picture below. I'm uncertain as to the exact functionality of this board.

    Test System / Decoding Options
    Since the Fusion cards do not have a dedicated Mpeg-2 decoder chip, the minimum system specs can be a bit stringent. However if an ATI card is used (8500 and up), the fusion drivers borrow the built-in Mpeg acceleration from the Radeon using DxVA (DirectX Video Acceleration). The Fusion can take advantage of DxVA using several GeForce cards as well. These cards include the MX420, 440, and FX Series. Keep in mind that the nVidia list is very specific. There are ce

  33. 1394 cable boxes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see that cable companies are supplying HDTV boxes with 1394 sockets now. I even have one :-) Unfortunately I've been unable to capture anything from it. Does anyone know what format it is? The older boxes used to be something along the lines of MPEG-TS. I've yet to find any specs for the 1394+HDTV set top boxes :-(

  34. Re:This guy is by futuresheep · · Score: 1
    Link

    I'm sure it would be a great place to start getting information.

  35. How long before the DMCA .... by GreyGeek · · Score: 1

    is envoked, or an IP lawsuite filed, to get the device off the market? A few days to a few weeks?

  36. Re:The card does not work properly with QAM channe by Jack+Kolesar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let me clear up a few things about this card. There were several revisions of it and it was very hard trying to get QAM to function properly from overseas. They actually released a version that was supposed to do QAM. It was the Non-Gold version of the Fusion III. The Gold version does function with QAM. And, I have tested it as working at home. As always, with any hardware, YMMV. Keep in mind again that if its encrypted (most content is) you're not going to get a picture. I have included a screenshot in the article of it actually working with a digital preview station.

  37. Or maybe a real database... by FatSean · · Score: 0

    ...not a hopped up toy that is showing it's roots....

    Oh yeah, you might have to *pay* for that. I guess regular DDOSing is a small price to pay for running a popular site on free software.

    --
    Blar.
    1. Re:Or maybe a real database... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree! Who would ever think of running a popular website using free software? What a ridiculous idea!

      Out of interest, have you always sucked cocks or is it a new hobby?

  38. your sig by bodrell · · Score: 1
    (S(SKK)(SKK))(S(SKK)(SKK))
    That looks a lot like unlambda, but with parentheses instead of backticks. I have no idea what it means, though. Could you clue me in?
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    1. Re:your sig by bsd4me · · Score: 1

      (S(SKK)(SKK))(S(SKK)(SKK)) is the result of applying the S-K abstraction algorithm to the lambda term (\x.x x)(\x.x x). Applying beta-reduction to this term results in the same term, so it is basically an infinite loop assuming an eager evaluation strategy.

      Check out lambda calculus and combinatory logic for more info.

      --

      (S(SKK)(SKK))(S(SKK)(SKK))

    2. Re:your sig by johntromp · · Score: 1

      It is not the shortest infinite loop in combinatory logic though;
      there exists one only half as long...

      regards,
      -John

  39. Ati also makes one by wpmegee · · Score: 1

    Ati makes a HDTV tuner as well. Linky

  40. avsforum 'Fusion Gold III impressions' thread by maynard · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Scanning through the avsforum thread, FusionHDTV III Gold QAM Impressions seems to indicate success with the product. The AC links to a bogus site which only appears legitimate, doesn't offer up his name on avsforum to verify his claim of unspecified "threats", and blasts the product with further unverified claims of nonfunctionality. The parent post looks either trollish or astroturfish more than offering helpful advice. JMO though. --M

  41. Re:The card does not work properly with QAM channe by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Informative

    I personally found the card to be less than useful. The software included with the card IS flaky. I CAN'T just download new drivers and software because it is 50MB to 60MB, I'm not about to tie up my line for that. (I'm just a few hundred feet too far from any form of broadband)

    Despite the Matrox G450 clearly being in one of their compatibility lists, it does not work, even with the latest drivers, unless I only wanted to watch the analog broadcasts.

    As for QAM, the older versions didn't work, but the current version is supposed to work with unencrypted QAM.

  42. So what I've gathered so far is... by mustangsal66 · · Score: 1

    The HDTV card is cool...

    The website is hosted on Ensim's hosting solution...

    The website has been slashdotted...

    That about covers it.

    Oh and Linux users can use it. There have been reported successes using this card with MythTV.

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  43. Not really very useful by gearmonger · · Score: 1
    Doesn't work with encrypted QAM feeds? What's the point, then, since most anything worth watching is either (A) on unencrypted, non-digital (NTSC?) cable or (B) encrypted QAM.

    HD feeds are all encrypted, so what we really need is a CableCard adapter for our HTPCs. That would rock. It would rock so much that I don't expect one to come out for at least a couple of years (at least not if the cable co's and MPAA can help it). feh.

    This whole "digital content" mess is headed for a meltdown, mark my words. And unfortunately, I don't think we (consumers) are going to come out winners. Media owners have more dollars than we have votes, as sad as that is.

    1. Re:Not really very useful by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't have a problem paying for my cable, so a card that will accept a cable company provided solution to encryption and access control (e.g., CableCard) is fine with me.

      However, I want to make sure when everything goes mandatory digital, that I have a solution in place that allows me to timeshift without loss of quality and without being encumbered by DRM that would prevent me from skipping commercials and such. Not copy, not redistribute, not share - just timeshift. (I already have the MythTV-based PVR, just waiting for a digital cable solution.)

    2. Re:Not really very useful by gearmonger · · Score: 1

      I think we're in 100% agreement.

    3. Re:Not really very useful by Noehre · · Score: 1

      Apparently you are unaware that cable companies also frequently transmit unencrypted QAM channels.

      Generally they are the normal broadcast channels, and maybe a few others, but this is the only option for those of us who are outside the transmitting radius of the OTA broadcast towers.

  44. Re:Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by CoreyGH · · Score: 1

    Where did you find this info about "the ATI card has the chip to handle QAM but unfortunatenly it is disabled"? I don't see that on the product page.

    And I never said it was of any use for digital cable. I said ANALOG cable. You can still record digital cable with it, just send the rca outputs from the cable box into the ati card and change the channel on the cable box to whatever you want to record.

  45. Experience with THIS hardware ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This link has been around for a while. Does anyone have any experience with this card, and the drivers under linux ?

  46. Re:Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by figleaf · · Score: 1

    See http://peripherals.engadget.com/entry/177121278893 3180/

    The card isn't without drawbacks; while the ATI chip is capable of supporting QAM modulation (a cable TV delivery system) they've chosen to disable its use for the HDTV Wonder, and it also stores the files in a slightly non-standard manner.

  47. Japanese BS Digital HiVision capability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The specifications for this card on DVICO's website include:
    • Japanese BS/CS digital stream play including audio(AAC)

    Does anyone know if this means I can just jack an IF signal in from a BS dish and be able to watch Japanese BS Digital HiVision on my computer? Somehow I doubt it since this card is designed primarily for 8VSB and QAM modulation of ATSC signals. If I remember correctly, BS Digital uses as standard called something like ISDB-S, which is a Japan-only standard. I've tried contacting DVICO to get an answer this question, but never received a response.

    I have been searching for PCI card with BS Digital capabilities for a while but haven't seen anything. I think that lack of BS Digital computer cards has something to do with the requirement for copy-protection measures that are even more strict than the US FCC's "broadcast flag" restrictions. Anyone here knowledgable on getting BS Digital working using a computer/LCD monitor? I don't feel like purchasing a new TV set right now.

    P.S. I don't read/write Japanese well (hiragana/katakana only--kanji fries my brain), so searching Japanese language pages for answers has been an exercise in futility.
  48. pcHDTV HD-3000 will support QAM also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The great company pcHDTV http://www.pchdtv.com/ that gave us the HD-2000 Linux HDTV tuner card will be releasing a new card called the HD-3000. The new card is reported to have support for QAM "out of the box". Also to note, the HD-2000 is QAM capable, but no one has written this part of the driver yet.

  49. Linux driver development for Fusion III QAM by no_such_user · · Score: 5, Informative

    YES!!! There is a Linux driver for this card!

    Chris Pascoe has written a Linux driver for the Austrailian version of the card. See: http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/DVICO-Linux/. AFAIK, the only difference between the Austrailian and American versions is the tuner. If we can find the codes (perhaps by sniffing them w/ a homebrew I2C sniffer), we should be able to have a fully-functioning driver for the US card.

    Bonus: the card is half-height, and comes with a low-profile PCI backplate, which would make it fit nicely into a small MythTV-powered PVR.

    1. Re:Linux driver development for Fusion III QAM by no_such_user · · Score: 1

      P.S.: Check out this forum for a discussion of the Linux drivers: http://forums.dvbowners.com/index.php?showtopic=10 85

  50. Sorry folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry folks, mod parent down. I accidentally replied to the wrong post.

  51. broadcast flag by havaloc · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised that it hasn't been mentioned, but does this support the broadcast pira^H^H^H^H protection flag?

    1. Re:broadcast flag by Jack+Kolesar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Again, author here... I brought this up during our beta testing sessions. DVico does NOT currently support the broadcast flag in their products. Keep in mind that the FCC ruling gives July 5th as the "drop dead" date for supporting it. That doesn't mean that this card or your existing DVHS, Tivo, HDTV Tuner, etc. is going to start working. It just means that any device produced at that time will need to recognize the flag. I think that if they were required to, DVico could easily accomplish this in software.

    2. Re:broadcast flag by enrico_suave · · Score: 1

      If it goes into effect (support the EFF, maybe the gov will come to its senses)... Stuff manufactured BEFORE the cutoff date (july 2005 IIRC) is exempt/grandfathered in. So start stockpiling PVR cards for Ebay profits after it goes into effect =(

      e.

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  52. Reviews aren't entertainment. by BubbaThePirate · · Score: 1

    They're informational tools. Revealing the end isn't a spoiler.

    When i see a post relating to an article, or review, i want to know if it's worth my time. I don't always care about every small detail. My biggest annoyance is with benchmarks. I don't want to sift through 8 pages of graphs just to read each test's conclusion, and the final verdict. I want the summary. The gist of it. If i care about the subject, if I'm interested in the topic, if i want to delve deeper into the technicalities of it all (which GPU rendered less than 10 FPS at maximum detail with DX9 compared to DX8?), i'll read the entire article, with great delight.

    And yes, I know that sites costs money, and that the money comes from ads and click throughs. I'm curious as to what other people might think, especially webmasters/content writers.

    --

    -- "I'm not a religious man, but if you're up there, save me Superman..."

  53. Re:Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by HBergeron · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hate to crap on another poster (I really do) but this fella got modded up for this post and I thought a clarification would be helpful...

    The issue here is NOT a new TV card, those are common and would not rate a story on /. What WAS interesting is this cards ability to receive CABLE hdtv. So "These cards aren't for receiving digital cable" wins at least the weekly, if not monthly award for missing the point entirely.

    What people want to do is record their Sopranos, or concerts or HD ESPN football games, and right now, and forever more, none of the current crop of HDPC cards can do that. Apparently this one really can't either, but including the feature is a step in the right direction. Next maybe someone with real customer orientation and some coding skills may actually put out a working card with a "cable card" slot for decryption, and then we'd be cooking with gas. Watch this space.

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  54. Not really very useful-Money for president. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Media owners have more dollars than we have votes, as sad as that is."

    Really? Were did they get all that money? Rob a bank? Seriously a dollar:==vote, use it or stop complaining.

  55. Kinda off topic. Open Source HD Codecs out there? by ed1park · · Score: 1

    I've been considerering getting a DVHS system to record my favorite shows via Voom. Then I'd like to compress them with an HD codec like HD WM9 and store them on my drives or DVD-R's. Are there any decent HD codec alternatives and related software?

    I am specifically interested in people's experience with 1920x1080p encoding.

    BTW, the Bravo D3 will be able to play WM9 HD material.

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s= &t hreadid=347428

  56. A Happy Hollywood? by AC5398 · · Score: 1

    "the software also comes with a utility to downsample HDTV content to DVD and DivX"

    I can almost hear the entertainment industries screaming ...

  57. Re:Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Fusion III has been out for almost a year now.

    Just cause you HEARD of the ATI card first, doesn't mean that this korean company didn't have a product
    out first, without all the news of an ATI product release.

  58. NICAM, Shmicam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any TV tuner card capable of decoding the NICAM digital audio stream present in British broadcasts is capable of Quadrature Amplitude Modulation decoding, since that's what NICAM uses. It is not rocket science.

  59. GNU Radio by awesomo4000 · · Score: 1

    If anyone's seen the GNU software radio to do HDTV it's neat http://comsec.com/wiki?HowtoHdTv. Only $1000 worth of hardware though :(

  60. What I think Cox does by ElForesto · · Score: 1

    My understanding of how Cox handles digital cable is that the entire cable network (boxes, modems and whatever else they use) are part of a MASSIVE IP network. Each of the set-top boxes acquires an IP address in the 10.0.0.0/8 range (I presume I got my CIDR right) and it authenticates the MAC address. I'd have to call to verify this, but I could envision that you might be able to call up Cox, give them the MAC and be able to pay for the service while skipping the rental fee for the box.

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  61. Not all that usefiul by doormat · · Score: 1

    So this card cant recieve encrypted QAM data, so unless your cable company is giving away their HD content (leaving it unencrypted - HA fat chance outside of the local channels which you can get OTA anyways) its not all that useful. Until a decoder/capture card is CableCard enabled (allowing it to be authorized to decrypt the HD channels) its not all that useful as an HD capture card. I know my local cable co (Cox) scrambles all digital content except for the PPV-Preview channels as well as the local HD simulcasts.

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    If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
  62. Re:What about LINUX software? by kpogoda · · Score: 1

    I was kind of hoping that one of these vendors would step up to bat in the Linux world. But I guess that I am one of many, especially here in /. world. I just hope these windows cards are less buggy than the ATI ALL-In-Wonder cards have traditionally been. Time will tell!

  63. One of the things about ?HDTV by Dan9999 · · Score: 2, Informative
    is that broadcasters decide what quality they want the Mpeg-2 compression to be. I don't remember the numbers but apparently cable broadcasters compress HDTV signals much more than over-the-air broadcasters. You can tell by the bit-rate of the stream.
    A couple of things that I didn't see in this cards softwaare was "Display Bit-rate" and "Save video in original stream format".
    All I can suggest for anyone buying HDTV hardware is to do a heck of a lot of research.

  64. comparison between Fusion and MyHD by Chris+Siegler · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've owned both the FusionHDTV II and the MyHD MDP-120. My short review for those interested:

    FusionHDTV: low price and nice playback of HD streams. It has a nice FF function that makes skipping commercials easy. There is also a nice included program for converting a HD transport stream (what the card records to your hard drive) into DVD video. The BIG downside to this card is that it's almost impossible to get a perfect recording of shows because of the software decoding regardless of how fast your computer is. Out of a few dozen shows I tried recording, not one had no errors.

    MyHD MDP-120: Downside is that it's expensive and you have to spend even more to get DVI output. Also the warranty is vague at best, so you'll likely be out $300 if the thing breaks. The upside is that the card records shows on just about any box flawlessly. It's got good tuner reception and the software is pretty solid now. It has basic PVR functionality for connecting to titantv and choosing shows.

  65. Transport stream recording by heroine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Obviously they're not going to say in a weblog, but does the card record the original transport stream or downsample it to a DVD resolution and record a program stream? With all the legal problems, you probably won't see any retail card recording HDTV transport streams.

    1. Re:Transport stream recording by Jack+Kolesar · · Score: 1

      The card records the original transport stream. As a matter of fact you have an option to record all subchannels or just the one you are watching. So, if you record PBS during the day and play it back later, you will get 5 stations that can be changed during playback. Pretty cool.

  66. Re:What about LINUX software? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

    I was kind of hoping that one of these vendors would step up to bat in the Linux world. But I guess that I am one of many, especially here in /. world. I just hope these windows cards are less buggy than the ATI ALL-In-Wonder cards have traditionally been. Time will tell!

    There is one: the HD-2000, from pcHDTV -- it's the world's first Linux-only TV tuner card, and it supports both NTSC (analog) and ATSC (digital) broadcasts.

    Right now, they're selling out the last of their HD-2000 cards to make room for the HD-3000. It's speculated that the HD-3000 adds support for digital cable, but there's nothing definite.

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  67. Never? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article states that it does not receive any of the ecrypted channels.

    Which means for Comcast Cables in se.pa.us, you'll be able to view the rebroadcast local over-the-air DTV channels (ABC, CBS, WB, PBS, et. al.), as well as the unscrambled analog cable channels. ISTR there were one or two other DTV channels that aren't considered "premium" in the lineup, but most were.

  68. On the up-and-up too... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I'd like this for legitimate reasons as well.

    I have a Disk Network system which sends encrypted-MPEG-2, apparently in a DVB wrapper. I pay for it, I have the smartcard, no shenanegins here. I don't want any channels I don't pay for - if they were worthwhile I'd pay for them but they're not.

    I want to build a MythTV box that can take the satellite signal like the Dish PVR I have (very buggy). It should be feasible and all legal, but DMCA and the industial cabal have seen to it that such hardware is nearly impossible to come by.

    Please somebody prove me wrong.

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  69. Re:What about LINUX software? by kpogoda · · Score: 1

    COOL! Thanks for the info. I will check this out! :)

  70. Re:The card does not work properly with QAM channe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do what I used to do... get a resumeable FTP client (I personally like ncftp on *nix and BitBeamer on windows). Start up the transfer when you go to sleep at night. If it's still going in the morning, kill it and resume tomorrow night.

    Repeat until done!

  71. Re:What about LINUX software? by brandon · · Score: 1

    I can confirm QAM in the HD-3000 is not speculation. (The HD-2000 is also QAM capable, but no one has taken the intiative and added support in the driver for it, which is GPL'd. I haven't added it because I don't have cable to test it on). But remember, viewing streams over QAM is only good if the cable provider is not sending encrypted streams, which many do.

  72. Re:Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by Noehre · · Score: 1

    Wrong on several counts. (RTFA?)

    The Fusion series of HDTV cards have been around for a couple years.

    The newest revision IS the first to (supposedly) receive unencrypted QAM.

    The point of this card IS to receive digital cable HDTV channels. That was the major revision from the Fusion II to the Fusion III. However, you can only receive unencrypted QAM channels over digital cable. Obviously, only a few channels are transmited unencrypted.

  73. Re:The card does not work properly with QAM channe by Actionable+Mango · · Score: 1

    This card works superbly for me, including the software. The only problems I've had with ATSC (free broadcast HD) is jerkiness. This problem was actually caused by a faulty motherboard BIOS that didn't allow my ATI 9600SE to use the AGP properly. Once BIOS updated, I haven't had any problems since.

    QAM is moot because anything good on cable will be encrypted anyway.

    My only complaint is that there's no way for the software to turn the computer off and on when needed to make scheduled recordings, but this problem seems to plague all of the add-in tuner card solutions.

  74. Re:Not the first card. Try the ATI HDTV Wonder by CoreyGH · · Score: 1

    It's hard to RTFA when TFA gets creamed after 6 posts.