Fair enough, if they guy who writes a piece of software that he has to keep updating to get round Microsoft's dirty tactics says that the KB in question is re-enabling automatic upgrade to Windows 10, then who am I to argue?
Forget all the special tools that stop the updates coming in. Forget hiding updates.
You have those specific keys in your registry set to those specific values and you STILL have Windows 10, through absolutely no action you or anyone who has access to your computer has taken?
I've never run a Windows domain in my life. I have Windows Server whatever the latest version is via the Microsoft Action Pack but we don't use it. I wouldn't know where to begin with it.
No. I run a "mom n pop" computer shop with 3 engineers that averages about 70 repairs from the general public in a 5 day week.
We also probably get about 10 a week from a company that gives support on machines they lease.
We're by no means huge, but we see enough customers who have not long made the jump from XP to 7 who don't want to move to 10.
My story is purely anecdotal and definitely not scientific. But when I see apparently knowledgeable people saying they can't keep 10 off their machines whatever they do, it makes me wonder if they have an agenda with what they're saying.
Full disclosure : I run 10 on all my personal desktops and my desktop at work. We have a 2 Windows 7 machines left in the building. Both are running some accounting software we don't want to upgrade. (How cliched does that sound?) It works fine in 10 but you can't send PDF invoices from it via Email.
Meh, it's not the Desktop operating system Windows is though is it? Really.
I did Linux on the desktop for a year at home and work. It's alright, stuff eventually works but I still found myself hankering for the "I didn't even need to find a driver for it" feeling of Windows.
Yes, I've got to fuck about with registry hacks and stuff to get it the way I like it, but is any Linux distro 100% what a user wants out of the box?
Can you grab nearly any piece of hardware made in the last 5 year, plug it in and have it just work? Can you just buy a game, install it and play it?
How's fitting that brand new top of the line graphics card going?
I love Debian, I run it on 6 servers and wouldn't look anywhere else for a server operating system. It does exactly what you ask of it, no more, no less.
For the desktop though? It's just not Windows enough.
They documented the feature in January. I have been using it since at least February on 2 machines that I use 6 days at week and always have automatic updates on and scheduled to run at 3am. Neither have been automatically upgraded to Windows 10. 1 machine is left on 24/7, the other about 9/6.
I have used it on at least 500 customers machines and in that time exactly none of them have been automatically upgraded to 10. I would know because I told every single one of them that if they found themselves on 10 to call me and I would roll them back to 7 remotely.
As yet none of them have called me.
So, yes, Microsoft may well edit these keys, they're not exactly in the business of being super nice to consumers are they.
But what's the point now? The "free Windows 10" offer ends in about 2 months. They've had at least 4 months to nix the single most effective method of stopping the Windows 10 upgrade and yet they've not bothered. They just kept people busy pointlessly blocking a windows update and the forums and comments full of geeks moaning about how Microsoft keep fucking them about.
I've had this in use on machines in daily use with automatic updates turned on at work since at least February and have used it on 500+ customers machines.
Weird how none of them have automatically ended up with 10, but somehow yours did.
Why this is STILL not common knowledge I don't know. All you get from everyone is bitching how "Microsoft shouldn't be doing this" and "how dare they have the gall to do this". If EVERYONE on Slashdot put some effort in to spreading the word about this pretty simple fix, then a LOT of people would not end up with Windows 10 when they don't want it.
Hey maybe Slashdot could run a quick piece on it? Perhaps spread the word to some mainstream press with a link to a reg file hosted by someone trustworthy.
Alternatively let's all just keep rehashing the same fucking discussions about how "update KBwhatever" keeps coming back when hiding that has never been they way to fix this problem.
If they gave two shits about device satisfaction they'd just ship them out in their factory fresh state and relinquish any control over the update process.
I've not owned a phone on a contract in about 6 or 7 years, I'll never make that mistake again.
But what about the many sim free phones that aren't tied to a carrier at all so may never be tested on that carriers network and certified as OK. I'm thinking along the lines of the Google Nexus range. I get new updates for my Nexus 5x all the time, the carriers don't get to test it before it goes live. I just crack on and use it.
I'm in the UK btw, so things may be different over here. I have no idea.
ehardy@cc-systems.org.uk 4 Apr (2 days ago) Reply to me Dear xxxxxxx xxxx,
Regarding the amount due 561.45 GBP, we act on behalf of Bondline Electronics Ltd in order to collect the outstanding account value of your debt.
We would like to remind you that the amount above was due for payment on 29.03.16 but as no payment has been received, your invoice is now considered as overdue. Please find a printable version of your invoice at the following link: http://kojomaindustries.com/in...
Original invoice will be sent out to: xxxxxx xxxxx 15 xxxx xxxxx Cxxxxx, xxxxxx xHxxxF
In order to avoid further costs, please forward the payment to us and transfer the amount due not later than 13.04.16
Yours sincerely, Ernest Hardy
Address was indeed written exactly as I do and the original link went to a page with my name, but spelt incorrectly asking for a captcha to be entered. I didn't enter so no idea what was beyond it, nothing good I'd wager.
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Fair enough, if they guy who writes a piece of software that he has to keep updating to get round Microsoft's dirty tactics says that the KB in question is re-enabling automatic upgrade to Windows 10, then who am I to argue?
I'm just some guy on the internet.
I'm gonna call bullshit.
Forget all the special tools that stop the updates coming in. Forget hiding updates.
You have those specific keys in your registry set to those specific values and you STILL have Windows 10, through absolutely no action you or anyone who has access to your computer has taken?
Tell me more.
I don't want a solid, well supported Linux desktop.
I want a Windows desktop. It's definitely not perfect, but at least it's not Linux on the desktop.
I keep trying it, I always have a partition loaded up with Desktop Linux on. I regularly try out this distro or that distro.
I always end up back in Windows, it's the path of least resistance.
I've never run a Windows domain in my life. I have Windows Server whatever the latest version is via the Microsoft Action Pack but we don't use it. I wouldn't know where to begin with it.
No. I run a "mom n pop" computer shop with 3 engineers that averages about 70 repairs from the general public in a 5 day week.
We also probably get about 10 a week from a company that gives support on machines they lease.
We're by no means huge, but we see enough customers who have not long made the jump from XP to 7 who don't want to move to 10.
My story is purely anecdotal and definitely not scientific. But when I see apparently knowledgeable people saying they can't keep 10 off their machines whatever they do, it makes me wonder if they have an agenda with what they're saying.
Full disclosure : I run 10 on all my personal desktops and my desktop at work. We have a 2 Windows 7 machines left in the building. Both are running some accounting software we don't want to upgrade. (How cliched does that sound?) It works fine in 10 but you can't send PDF invoices from it via Email.
Meh, it's not the Desktop operating system Windows is though is it? Really.
I did Linux on the desktop for a year at home and work. It's alright, stuff eventually works but I still found myself hankering for the "I didn't even need to find a driver for it" feeling of Windows.
Yes, I've got to fuck about with registry hacks and stuff to get it the way I like it, but is any Linux distro 100% what a user wants out of the box?
Can you grab nearly any piece of hardware made in the last 5 year, plug it in and have it just work? Can you just buy a game, install it and play it?
How's fitting that brand new top of the line graphics card going?
I love Debian, I run it on 6 servers and wouldn't look anywhere else for a server operating system. It does exactly what you ask of it, no more, no less.
For the desktop though? It's just not Windows enough.
They documented the feature in January. I have been using it since at least February on 2 machines that I use 6 days at week and always have automatic updates on and scheduled to run at 3am. Neither have been automatically upgraded to Windows 10. 1 machine is left on 24/7, the other about 9/6.
I have used it on at least 500 customers machines and in that time exactly none of them have been automatically upgraded to 10. I would know because I told every single one of them that if they found themselves on 10 to call me and I would roll them back to 7 remotely.
As yet none of them have called me.
So, yes, Microsoft may well edit these keys, they're not exactly in the business of being super nice to consumers are they.
But what's the point now? The "free Windows 10" offer ends in about 2 months. They've had at least 4 months to nix the single most effective method of stopping the Windows 10 upgrade and yet they've not bothered. They just kept people busy pointlessly blocking a windows update and the forums and comments full of geeks moaning about how Microsoft keep fucking them about.
Thanks for your useful suggestion. It's relevance to the topic has not gone unnoticed.
I've had this in use on machines in daily use with automatic updates turned on at work since at least February and have used it on 500+ customers machines.
Weird how none of them have automatically ended up with 10, but somehow yours did.
The mind literally boggles.
No thanks required, just share the wealth.
Create a blank .reg file and put this in it
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
Then run it, alternative manually add those keys to the registry yourself.
Yes, I know this isn't exactly user friendly and NO it shouldn't be necessary but it works all the time, every time.
It's even documented on the Microsoft website, go on have a look : https://support.microsoft.com/...
Why this is STILL not common knowledge I don't know. All you get from everyone is bitching how "Microsoft shouldn't be doing this" and "how dare they have the gall to do this". If EVERYONE on Slashdot put some effort in to spreading the word about this pretty simple fix, then a LOT of people would not end up with Windows 10 when they don't want it.
Hey maybe Slashdot could run a quick piece on it? Perhaps spread the word to some mainstream press with a link to a reg file hosted by someone trustworthy.
Alternatively let's all just keep rehashing the same fucking discussions about how "update KBwhatever" keeps coming back when hiding that has never been they way to fix this problem.
More pairs = more power required for repeaters.
There was a pretty good article explaining all this on Ars yesterday.
http://arstechnica.com/informa...
If they gave two shits about device satisfaction they'd just ship them out in their factory fresh state and relinquish any control over the update process.
I've not owned a phone on a contract in about 6 or 7 years, I'll never make that mistake again.
OK Interesting.
But what about the many sim free phones that aren't tied to a carrier at all so may never be tested on that carriers network and certified as OK. I'm thinking along the lines of the Google Nexus range. I get new updates for my Nexus 5x all the time, the carriers don't get to test it before it goes live. I just crack on and use it.
I'm in the UK btw, so things may be different over here. I have no idea.
When has a Android update ever caused an issue with a carriers network?
I've yet to see any evidence of this, despite all the machines having their updates set to automatic. Time will tell I guess.
Yes.
Import this into your registry.
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
I've done this on 4 or 5 machines at work that we have to keep on 7 and any sign of Windows 10 has completely vanished.
Hope this helps.
But I tend to wash my hands instead of dunking them in vats of bacteria before drying them, whichever method of drying I use.
The spelling in the original email was perfect, it was only when I clicked the link did the incorrect spelling appear.
They got my surname wrong by one vowel.
ehardy@cc-systems.org.uk
4 Apr (2 days ago)
Reply
to me
Dear xxxxxxx xxxx,
Regarding the amount due 561.45 GBP, we act on behalf of Bondline Electronics Ltd in order to collect the outstanding account value of your debt.
We would like to remind you that the amount above was due for payment on 29.03.16 but as no payment has been received, your invoice is now considered as overdue. Please find a printable version of your invoice at the following link:
http://kojomaindustries.com/in...
Original invoice will be sent out to:
xxxxxx xxxxx
15 xxxx xxxxx
Cxxxxx, xxxxxx xHxxxF
In order to avoid further costs, please forward the payment to us and transfer the amount due not later than 13.04.16
Yours sincerely,
Ernest Hardy
Address was indeed written exactly as I do and the original link went to a page with my name, but spelt incorrectly asking for a captcha to be entered. I didn't enter so no idea what was beyond it, nothing good I'd wager.
What?
Facebook Messenger is Emacs in disguise?
The spazes!
You mean Linksys...
Do fucking shut up.
http://lance7xx.blogspot.co.uk...
3rd hit on Googling "htop android"
Fear my Google-Fu.