Wyatt Earp did not say anything about drink driving, you were the one who drew the parrallel between the two "debates". However let's assume I did misunderstand that bit, it still doesn't change the point everyone here is trying to get through to you...
Your hypothesis = MMR can cause autisim in some cases.
There is NO CORRELATION between MMR and autisim, therefore there is no evidence MMR causes autisim, in fact the lack of correlation is strong evidence against it.
Conclusion: Your entire argument is based on your blind faith that MMR can cause autisim. But don't worry, I don't put people who repeatedly insists on misunderstanding epidemiology on my foe list, they go on my "stay away from my grandkids" list.
No it isn't, your comparing apples to orangatangs. The difference is that there is a statistical correlation between a penicilin jab and the ill effect, ie: that claim is based on evidence. There is no such correlation found in MMR vs Autisim, ie: the claim is based on anecdote and ignores cotra-evidence.
The fact that penicilin can be deadly to some people and the fact that some people are greedy parasites does not tell you anything about MMR and autisim.
"It's statistics. If a drug or vaccine is unsafe for a small population, it needs to be restricted or banned. At issue is a large group of parents of autistic children who blame the vaccines. It doesn't matter to them if vaccines usually don't cause autism. They each see their own child as evidence that vaccines can cause autism. They band together and support each other's beliefs. Rarity doesn't matter to them. (as it shouldn't, statistically.)"
That's the problem in a nutshell. You don't understand what the statistics are telling you. The stats say there is NO CORRELATIOM between MMR and autisim, therefore there is absolutely zero evidence MMR causes autisim. But statistical evidence doesn't seem to matter (or is incomprehensible) to a large section of the population, those people will continue to draw suspect conclusions based on anecdotal experience.
You cannot compare it to drink driving since those statistics show the opposite, ie: a high correllation between drink driving and car crashes.
I also object to you banning penicilin simply because some people are allergic to it.
Orwell was a prophet, a large chunk of the US is already brainwashed. I suppose the "socialist agenda's" your talking about include, the individual's right to clean air and water and the individual's right to get sick without facing bankruptcy.
Let alone they don't have the EPA breathing down their necks to deal with the toxic crap that is a byproduct of solar panel manufacturing. I am sure if the US didn't have to worry about ensuring this stuff didn't get into the environment everybody would have solar panels on everything
Sigh...How do you explain Denmark's success in not only using but also exporting windmills? It gets harder to explain when you consider Denmark's equivalent of the EPA has a few more teeth than the US version.
"I'll accept your right to not be bothered, just as long as you accept my right to not bother to stay in touch if you make it difficult. Sound reasonable?"
Sounds reasonable to me, just one question; Who are you?
Yep, and various "states" sponsered those ships. It's said that Colubus cost the Spanish as much as Armstrong cost the US. Mars is at least an order of magnitude more difficult. And while I'm sure there were a few early tourists, what kept the early ships coming to the Americas was Inca gold, in less than half a centrury Spain doubled the total amount of gold in Europe and most of it entered via their treasury.
"You used present perfect tense" - Yeah I did, my english parser has good auto error correction hueristics but my english compiler has always been buggy, I had to read it several times to spot WTF you were talking about.
"the cops are there merely to try to solve the crime and apprehend the criminal after the fact."
Yep, and when they try and apprehend someone in the wrong house they are much more likeley to blow your head off when they know everybody has a gun in the side draw. Sure it's your counrtry, your rules but be aware that there are plenty of societies where citizens can keep peace with their neighbours without the threat of armed retaliation.
It's a "when in Rome" situation, not many people want to live in a Somali style free for all and even less want to live in a N. Korea style big brother. I'm an Aussie and like the majority of people here I'm in favour of our gun laws, the majority in the US want to be able to own a handgun.
I don't see what the problem is, nobody is forcing a US citizen to put their family in danger of an accidental shooting. Darwininan selection is ruthless, offspring with "less fit" parents are at a disadvantage and there's nothing anyone can do about it, kids die in avoidable accidents all the time, here in Oz avoidable drownings are common.
We don't get SNL over here in Australia but it has had a reputation for promoting great comedians since the 70's...
Jim and John Belushi.
Eddie Murphy
Billy Crystal
Dan Acroyd
Chevy Chase
Will Ferrell
Bill Murray
Mike Myres
...are just a few of the talented people on that list but perhaps your too "grown up" to appreciate their humour.
I find myself agreeing with you and the post you were replying to. Personally, I don't use twitter, in fact I haven't had a mobile phone for the last 5yrs by choice and I have never been interested in having a personal web page. Not having a mobile phone tends to piss other people off much more than it inconviences me. I enjoy walking out the front door and being "offline", possibly because I'm an old fart and that's just the way the world was up until I was in my 30's.
I'm a software engineer with a CS degree and a head full of geeky science trivia. My adult kids think I'm a bit of a paradox, a tech-savy luddite one might say.
Only in America. Everywhere else fiscally conservative is generally understood to mean "living within your means". You can do that by reducing spending or increasing income.
"The entire case is incredibly stupid, and probably would have been dismissed if it wasn't for his prior conviction."
I don't know how the law works where you live but in Australia your prior convictions are not heard by the court until a guilty verdict is handed down. The fact that someone else with no prior convictions fought a simpsons porn case all the way throgh the appeals process and lost means that this guy's lawyer probably advised him to plead guilty.
The fact that such cases are even brought to court makes me embarrased to be an Aussie, the fact that the story was printed on Australia day doubly so.
The more I hear about the twisted definitions of "sex offender" the more credence I give to the theory that some judges/prosecuters/lawmaker's are in fact rock spiders who are deliberately trying to conflate thier ugly secrets with harmless activities such as streaking and pissing on a tree. IIRC a politician in the US who was instrumental in introducing the US sex offender list was himself caught sending sexually explicit messages to young boys on work experience.
There's two types of conservative, fiscal and social. Fiscal conservatives want to control the budget through less spending or more tax. Social conservatives want to control your body and bedroom.
Fiscal liberals say things like "deficits don't matter" (Rummy), social liberals say things like "I have a dream".
Out of the possible combinations my personal preference is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Yeah, that usually means more taxes but nobody ever claimed civilization was cheap.
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"Anyone want to trade bodies?"
Sure, but can you drive a 1959 "Uncle Buck" model without endagering small children?
Wyatt Earp did not say anything about drink driving, you were the one who drew the parrallel between the two "debates". However let's assume I did misunderstand that bit, it still doesn't change the point everyone here is trying to get through to you...
Your hypothesis = MMR can cause autisim in some cases.
There is NO CORRELATION between MMR and autisim, therefore there is no evidence MMR causes autisim, in fact the lack of correlation is strong evidence against it.
Conclusion: Your entire argument is based on your blind faith that MMR can cause autisim. But don't worry, I don't put people who repeatedly insists on misunderstanding epidemiology on my foe list, they go on my "stay away from my grandkids" list.
"Exactly. It is like penicillin."
No it isn't, your comparing apples to orangatangs. The difference is that there is a statistical correlation between a penicilin jab and the ill effect, ie: that claim is based on evidence. There is no such correlation found in MMR vs Autisim, ie: the claim is based on anecdote and ignores cotra-evidence.
The fact that penicilin can be deadly to some people and the fact that some people are greedy parasites does not tell you anything about MMR and autisim.
"It's statistics. If a drug or vaccine is unsafe for a small population, it needs to be restricted or banned. At issue is a large group of parents of autistic children who blame the vaccines. It doesn't matter to them if vaccines usually don't cause autism. They each see their own child as evidence that vaccines can cause autism. They band together and support each other's beliefs. Rarity doesn't matter to them. (as it shouldn't, statistically.)"
That's the problem in a nutshell. You don't understand what the statistics are telling you. The stats say there is NO CORRELATIOM between MMR and autisim, therefore there is absolutely zero evidence MMR causes autisim. But statistical evidence doesn't seem to matter (or is incomprehensible) to a large section of the population, those people will continue to draw suspect conclusions based on anecdotal experience.
You cannot compare it to drink driving since those statistics show the opposite, ie: a high correllation between drink driving and car crashes.
I also object to you banning penicilin simply because some people are allergic to it.
"Any rebellion was accidental, as it usually is in the case of very young children."
One of the first words that comes out of most kids mouths is "No". Belive me, it's no accident.
It's not my money but if it was I would drastically scale back military spending and forget about sending Buck Rogers to Mars.
Orwell was a prophet, a large chunk of the US is already brainwashed. I suppose the "socialist agenda's" your talking about include, the individual's right to clean air and water and the individual's right to get sick without facing bankruptcy.
Let alone they don't have the EPA breathing down their necks to deal with the toxic crap that is a byproduct of solar panel manufacturing. I am sure if the US didn't have to worry about ensuring this stuff didn't get into the environment everybody would have solar panels on everything
Sigh...How do you explain Denmark's success in not only using but also exporting windmills? It gets harder to explain when you consider Denmark's equivalent of the EPA has a few more teeth than the US version.
In other words I think your post is toxic crap.
"I'll accept your right to not be bothered, just as long as you accept my right to not bother to stay in touch if you make it difficult. Sound reasonable?"
Sounds reasonable to me, just one question; Who are you?
"NASA doesn't need to design its own launch vehicles -- it needs to define requirements."
Agreed. That's pretty much the whole problem in a nutshell.
Yep, and various "states" sponsered those ships. It's said that Colubus cost the Spanish as much as Armstrong cost the US. Mars is at least an order of magnitude more difficult. And while I'm sure there were a few early tourists, what kept the early ships coming to the Americas was Inca gold, in less than half a centrury Spain doubled the total amount of gold in Europe and most of it entered via their treasury.
Yes, IIRC Queen Victoria had a small collection of aluminium jewelry.
"Now, if we could just invent a time machine and go back, you would have a strong point."
What's this "we" bussiness? - Unless you can show me something new about flux capacitors there's no way I'm showing you my tardis designs.
"You used present perfect tense" - Yeah I did, my english parser has good auto error correction hueristics but my english compiler has always been buggy, I had to read it several times to spot WTF you were talking about.
Those who can do, those who can't post lame critiques on slashdot.
"the cops are there merely to try to solve the crime and apprehend the criminal after the fact."
Yep, and when they try and apprehend someone in the wrong house they are much more likeley to blow your head off when they know everybody has a gun in the side draw. Sure it's your counrtry, your rules but be aware that there are plenty of societies where citizens can keep peace with their neighbours without the threat of armed retaliation.
It's a "when in Rome" situation, not many people want to live in a Somali style free for all and even less want to live in a N. Korea style big brother. I'm an Aussie and like the majority of people here I'm in favour of our gun laws, the majority in the US want to be able to own a handgun.
I don't see what the problem is, nobody is forcing a US citizen to put their family in danger of an accidental shooting. Darwininan selection is ruthless, offspring with "less fit" parents are at a disadvantage and there's nothing anyone can do about it, kids die in avoidable accidents all the time, here in Oz avoidable drownings are common.
"Like the UK with it's rising violent crime rate now that the entire population has been relegated to "Sheep" status?"
Nah, try Australia, here the home invaders have been relegated to lunatic ninja kangaroo status.
I think Mosses "lost it" when he started talking to a bushfire.
We don't get SNL over here in Australia but it has had a reputation for promoting great comedians since the 70's...
...are just a few of the talented people on that list but perhaps your too "grown up" to appreciate their humour.
Jim and John Belushi.
Eddie Murphy
Billy Crystal
Dan Acroyd
Chevy Chase
Will Ferrell
Bill Murray
Mike Myres
"because men fear menstruation more than death"
Yeah right, just like beards scare the shit out of women....
I find myself agreeing with you and the post you were replying to. Personally, I don't use twitter, in fact I haven't had a mobile phone for the last 5yrs by choice and I have never been interested in having a personal web page. Not having a mobile phone tends to piss other people off much more than it inconviences me. I enjoy walking out the front door and being "offline", possibly because I'm an old fart and that's just the way the world was up until I was in my 30's.
I'm a software engineer with a CS degree and a head full of geeky science trivia. My adult kids think I'm a bit of a paradox, a tech-savy luddite one might say.
Yeah, because only the US has "true conservitives", get over yourself dude.
BTW: He was replying to my comment.
Only in America. Everywhere else fiscally conservative is generally understood to mean "living within your means". You can do that by reducing spending or increasing income.
"The entire case is incredibly stupid, and probably would have been dismissed if it wasn't for his prior conviction."
I don't know how the law works where you live but in Australia your prior convictions are not heard by the court until a guilty verdict is handed down. The fact that someone else with no prior convictions fought a simpsons porn case all the way throgh the appeals process and lost means that this guy's lawyer probably advised him to plead guilty.
The fact that such cases are even brought to court makes me embarrased to be an Aussie, the fact that the story was printed on Australia day doubly so.
The more I hear about the twisted definitions of "sex offender" the more credence I give to the theory that some judges/prosecuters/lawmaker's are in fact rock spiders who are deliberately trying to conflate thier ugly secrets with harmless activities such as streaking and pissing on a tree. IIRC a politician in the US who was instrumental in introducing the US sex offender list was himself caught sending sexually explicit messages to young boys on work experience.
There's two types of conservative, fiscal and social. Fiscal conservatives want to control the budget through less spending or more tax. Social conservatives want to control your body and bedroom.
Fiscal liberals say things like "deficits don't matter" (Rummy), social liberals say things like "I have a dream".
Out of the possible combinations my personal preference is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Yeah, that usually means more taxes but nobody ever claimed civilization was cheap.