"Except an executive order like the NSA warrantless wiretap authorization isn't Constitutional."
The GP was pointing out the slippery slope and a legal "wedge" that could be used if the pentagon staged a coup (with instead of against the POTUS), once you replace a couple of judges, who is going argue other than a few superpowers with their own problems?
It is said that the Apple logo is a tribute to Alan Turing, if more people knew this would the apple logo inspire people to eat poison apples?
"Perhaps a statistician can chime in"
Wether you personally accept the paper's conclusion or not is irrelevant. It does however conform to the scientific method and a Marketing Proffessor's 'peer' is likely to know a lot more about statistcs that you do ( judging from the questions in your post and the fact that my partner is a marketing prof.).
On the subject of measuring creativity they use the same sort of tests that are used to study chimpanze creativity...
From TFS: "Participants were subliminally exposed to images of either Apple or IBM brand logos and then completed a standard creativity measure, the "unusual uses test" (Guilford, Merrifield, and Wilson 1958). The unusual uses task allows for two tests of behavioral priming effects: First, the total number of uses generated serves as a measure of participants' motivation to be creative: If a goal to be creative is active, participants should generate a higher number of total uses. Importantly, these uses need not all be creative - just the sheer act of attempting to generate as many uses as possible is often used as a metric of creativity on this test (Eisenberger, Armeli, and Pretz 1998; Glover and Gary 1976) and is an excellent measure of the motivation to be creative. Second, the rated creativity of each use serves as an additional measure of creativity.
All good points. Also a good servey will often dispense with questions altogether and record a scaled response to statement like "Capital punishment should be abolished". That is, rather than a simple yes/no answer, the respondent is asked to rate their response between (say) -5 strongly disagree and +5 strongly agree.
Well spotted, I was in danger of RTFA but ended up counting the windows on the plane in the 'artist impression' and assumed 2 hidden rows. Still 0.05%.
Yeah, I think it's called "grasping at straws". Time magazine doesn't have any straws but I think it's fair to say the pollsters haven't bothered asking the question, which itself is a sort of survey that is indicative of a general lack of interest (at least amoungst pollsters).
Of course, a servey of American slashdotters would show a different picture.
I get the joke, but it's also an interesting question.
IIRC the high end of estimates under the 'cap and trade' system is $100/ton, WP says this thing weighs 18tons all up.
Considering just the rocket stage: Lets be pessimistic and say 15 tons of GHG at 200eu/ton gives 3000eu, divided by (say) 15 passengers is 200eu 'carbon tax' on top of a 200keu sticker price.
"Just remove all the switches and fire the IT staff, it will be just as secure, just as useful, and far cheaper!"
You sound like the 'normal user' the GP was talking about.
There is a reason you are locked out by 'the IT dept', your boss asked for it, he asked for it because his boss asked for it, ect. When it comes to corporate desktops, the one thing that few people outside of 'the IT dept' will ever do is put restrictions on themselves to avoid trashing someone else's department.
Thanks for the book link, I read the third chimp and watched the series on gun and germs. For a different POV on the recurring collapses in Africa Geldof's book is not what I expected from the pompous looking photo on the cover.
Harvests here in Australia (one of the largest exporters) have been down by as much as 60% in recent years due to the extended drought in the SE of the country. IIRC there has only been one or two relatively good harvests in the past decade.
No, you can pack humans into a small space and expect them to behave reasonably normal. The difference between civilization and anarchy is three square meals, people in a modern city such as Tokyo are not competing with each other for food/water since these things are imported into the city in sufficient quantities for all. Cut off the supply for a few days and I assure you, NYC would look a lot like Rawanda with tall buildings.
BTW: Toward the end of WW2 the Netherlands suffered through the worst famine in Europe since the potato famine of the 1800's.
As the other reply said the parent is not flamebait, a healthy population (and indeed the whole biosphere) is in dynamic equilibrium. Whack the dynamics too hard and it MUST find a new equilibrium, or cease to exist.
I'm more on the pessimistic side as to how things will sort themselves out but I agree, the only way to save a faltering industrial revoution from imploding is to apply more science.
Yes we are all organic, the input of energy from oil and coal over the last 100/200 yrs has been reflected in a food and population explosion (germ theory was an added bonus). However, the byproducts from that energy boost have screwed up the environment to such an extent it will show up in the fossil record as 'the sixth great extinction' (along with a global layer of plastic dust). Vast tract of ocean are no longer productive, changes in storm tracks are screwing with harvests, even Santa's castle is melting.
Econimists are now saying we must account for waste as a cost (insurance underwriters were saying it first), we need them (among others) to find a 'soft landing' for when oil declines and coal becomes expensive (due to sane emmision controls). However when I look at the politics and past civilization that have succum to rapid environmental change, I think it's more than likely that we will see a global population crash this century. Of course we will call the crash a war and blame the whole thing (including the initial shortage of resources), on the loser's nastyness.
I disagree strongly with Murdoch's world view but I give him credit for openly admitting he pushes that view through his papers. People who swallow the crap he dishes up are either like minded or only have themselves to blame. IMHO Google news is one of the best aggragator's, if reading two opposing papers from (say) Isreal and the Arab world you will notice a difference in factual reporting of an event. This doesn't mean either is lying, but each paper is definitely selective in the detail they report.
As for blogs and editorials, well lets just say everone has an opinion.
"He never implied that the difference between the two was irrelevant."...to everything...
....so he designed an experiment to make them irrelevant "to the question with which we are concerned in this paper".
No offence but talking about the 'inner workings' is irrelevant (which BTW is also the point of Turings words that you quote), the test is specifically designed to hide those inner workings, the whole point of which is to make them irrelevant to judging 'intelligence'.
In other words: The Turing test is a classical black box test of functionality, the functionality in this case is a subjective behavioural quality called intelligence. The reason it MUST be a black box test is that we may (one day) be able to replicate intelligence with sufficient fidelity to 'out-smart' any human, but we will never fully understand 'the inner workings' of any human - even ourselves.
"Do you have any doubt that the USA under UHC would be such a country?"
Personally it doesn't affect me what system the US chooses. I live in a democracy where the people vote for their government based on past performance and future promises. It's slow and full of pitfalls but I get cheap effective heath care and so do all my countrymen, even tourists from other countries with similar systems get looked after for 'free' (as I was when I became ill as a tourist in the UK).
UHC is a bipartisan issue where I live. As a taxpayer with higher than average income I figure the 1.5% levy on my taxable income provides full cover for 5-6 people (I like to imagine they are kids and their grandma's). Despite paying for these 'freeloaders' it's still cheaper than comprable private insurance in the US for one person and membership cannot be denied because of any pre-existing conditions that a private company finds in my medical record. Neglecting private insurance fees for a moment, if your in the US you already pay 1.5X more per head out of the public purse compared to where I live and yet you still don't have a universal right to quality health care, in the end it's up to you and your countrymen to demand a better deal from your politicians. Is that still possible in the US?
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Ummm, the year doesn't come first either. I belive that by 'proper order' the GP meant easily sortable by a computer (this being a geek site and all that).
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To paraphrase Seinfeld: Helmet laws are for heads that are too stupid to know they need protection, what's the point?
I'll drink to that.
"Except an executive order like the NSA warrantless wiretap authorization isn't Constitutional."
The GP was pointing out the slippery slope and a legal "wedge" that could be used if the pentagon staged a coup (with instead of against the POTUS), once you replace a couple of judges, who is going argue other than a few superpowers with their own problems?
Ha! Brilliant demo of what I was saying about conclusions. :)
It is said that the Apple logo is a tribute to Alan Turing, if more people knew this would the apple logo inspire people to eat poison apples?
"Perhaps a statistician can chime in"
Wether you personally accept the paper's conclusion or not is irrelevant. It does however conform to the scientific method and a Marketing Proffessor's 'peer' is likely to know a lot more about statistcs that you do ( judging from the questions in your post and the fact that my partner is a marketing prof.).
On the subject of measuring creativity they use the same sort of tests that are used to study chimpanze creativity...
From TFS: "Participants were subliminally exposed to images of either Apple or IBM brand logos and then completed a standard creativity measure, the "unusual uses test" (Guilford, Merrifield, and Wilson 1958). The unusual uses task allows for two tests of behavioral priming effects: First, the total number of uses generated serves as a measure of participants' motivation to be creative: If a goal to be creative is active, participants should generate a higher number of total uses. Importantly, these uses need not all be creative - just the sheer act of attempting to generate as many uses as possible is often used as a metric of creativity on this test (Eisenberger, Armeli, and Pretz 1998; Glover and Gary 1976) and is an excellent measure of the motivation to be creative. Second, the rated creativity of each use serves as an additional measure of creativity.
All good points. Also a good servey will often dispense with questions altogether and record a scaled response to statement like "Capital punishment should be abolished". That is, rather than a simple yes/no answer, the respondent is asked to rate their response between (say) -5 strongly disagree and +5 strongly agree.
Well spotted, I was in danger of RTFA but ended up counting the windows on the plane in the 'artist impression' and assumed 2 hidden rows. Still 0.05%.
Yeah, I think it's called "grasping at straws". Time magazine doesn't have any straws but I think it's fair to say the pollsters haven't bothered asking the question, which itself is a sort of survey that is indicative of a general lack of interest (at least amoungst pollsters).
Of course, a servey of American slashdotters would show a different picture.
The Eagles were great, eh pops? ;)
I get the joke, but it's also an interesting question.
IIRC the high end of estimates under the 'cap and trade' system is $100/ton, WP says this thing weighs 18tons all up.
Considering just the rocket stage: Lets be pessimistic and say 15 tons of GHG at 200eu/ton gives 3000eu, divided by (say) 15 passengers is 200eu 'carbon tax' on top of a 200keu sticker price.
"Just remove all the switches and fire the IT staff, it will be just as secure, just as useful, and far cheaper!"
You sound like the 'normal user' the GP was talking about.
There is a reason you are locked out by 'the IT dept', your boss asked for it, he asked for it because his boss asked for it, ect. When it comes to corporate desktops, the one thing that few people outside of 'the IT dept' will ever do is put restrictions on themselves to avoid trashing someone else's department.
Indeed, this is one of the things that made Hannibal's European tour so impressive.
Thanks for the book link, I read the third chimp and watched the series on gun and germs. For a different POV on the recurring collapses in Africa Geldof's book is not what I expected from the pompous looking photo on the cover.
Hi timmarthy, I imagine the penis on your forehead started tingling when you posted that gem.
Harvests here in Australia (one of the largest exporters) have been down by as much as 60% in recent years due to the extended drought in the SE of the country. IIRC there has only been one or two relatively good harvests in the past decade.
No, you can pack humans into a small space and expect them to behave reasonably normal. The difference between civilization and anarchy is three square meals, people in a modern city such as Tokyo are not competing with each other for food/water since these things are imported into the city in sufficient quantities for all. Cut off the supply for a few days and I assure you, NYC would look a lot like Rawanda with tall buildings.
BTW: Toward the end of WW2 the Netherlands suffered through the worst famine in Europe since the potato famine of the 1800's.
As the other reply said the parent is not flamebait, a healthy population (and indeed the whole biosphere) is in dynamic equilibrium. Whack the dynamics too hard and it MUST find a new equilibrium, or cease to exist.
I'm more on the pessimistic side as to how things will sort themselves out but I agree, the only way to save a faltering industrial revoution from imploding is to apply more science.
Yes we are all organic, the input of energy from oil and coal over the last 100/200 yrs has been reflected in a food and population explosion (germ theory was an added bonus). However, the byproducts from that energy boost have screwed up the environment to such an extent it will show up in the fossil record as 'the sixth great extinction' (along with a global layer of plastic dust). Vast tract of ocean are no longer productive, changes in storm tracks are screwing with harvests, even Santa's castle is melting.
Econimists are now saying we must account for waste as a cost (insurance underwriters were saying it first), we need them (among others) to find a 'soft landing' for when oil declines and coal becomes expensive (due to sane emmision controls). However when I look at the politics and past civilization that have succum to rapid environmental change, I think it's more than likely that we will see a global population crash this century. Of course we will call the crash a war and blame the whole thing (including the initial shortage of resources), on the loser's nastyness.
...welcome our new overlord, CmdrTacky.
I disagree strongly with Murdoch's world view but I give him credit for openly admitting he pushes that view through his papers. People who swallow the crap he dishes up are either like minded or only have themselves to blame. IMHO Google news is one of the best aggragator's, if reading two opposing papers from (say) Isreal and the Arab world you will notice a difference in factual reporting of an event. This doesn't mean either is lying, but each paper is definitely selective in the detail they report.
As for blogs and editorials, well lets just say everone has an opinion.
"He never implied that the difference between the two was irrelevant."...to everything...
....so he designed an experiment to make them irrelevant "to the question with which we are concerned in this paper".
No offence but talking about the 'inner workings' is irrelevant (which BTW is also the point of Turings words that you quote), the test is specifically designed to hide those inner workings, the whole point of which is to make them irrelevant to judging 'intelligence'.
In other words: The Turing test is a classical black box test of functionality, the functionality in this case is a subjective behavioural quality called intelligence. The reason it MUST be a black box test is that we may (one day) be able to replicate intelligence with sufficient fidelity to 'out-smart' any human, but we will never fully understand 'the inner workings' of any human - even ourselves.
"Do you have any doubt that the USA under UHC would be such a country?"
Personally it doesn't affect me what system the US chooses. I live in a democracy where the people vote for their government based on past performance and future promises. It's slow and full of pitfalls but I get cheap effective heath care and so do all my countrymen, even tourists from other countries with similar systems get looked after for 'free' (as I was when I became ill as a tourist in the UK).
UHC is a bipartisan issue where I live. As a taxpayer with higher than average income I figure the 1.5% levy on my taxable income provides full cover for 5-6 people (I like to imagine they are kids and their grandma's). Despite paying for these 'freeloaders' it's still cheaper than comprable private insurance in the US for one person and membership cannot be denied because of any pre-existing conditions that a private company finds in my medical record. Neglecting private insurance fees for a moment, if your in the US you already pay 1.5X more per head out of the public purse compared to where I live and yet you still don't have a universal right to quality health care, in the end it's up to you and your countrymen to demand a better deal from your politicians. Is that still possible in the US?
Ummm, the year doesn't come first either. I belive that by 'proper order' the GP meant easily sortable by a computer (this being a geek site and all that).
"My point is the turing test is all about social interaction (perceived intelligence), nothing to do with actual intelligence."
And Turing's point was that if you cannot distinguish between your two hypothetical types of intelligence then the assumed difference is irrelevant.