the less credence your can't-be-scanned-from-a-distance argument has.
I didn't make the argument. I *asked* if there was any real evidence to the contrary. I can find plenty of generic and theoretical hand waving, and futuristic confabulations that involve either [1] a black box of dubious possibility or [2] a pseudo-fascist government whose behavior defies 4000 years of empirical history, but not enough hard data to lead to the sort of near hysteria that I am seeing in some of the posts.
If you knew anything about basic RF, you wouldn't have posted the above.
Oh dear! Was my post abusive or something? What brought this on?
Actually, I know quite a bit about basic RF, having worked in the field quite a bit before going into ASIC design. I've built operational ham radio equipment. It's the RFIDs themselves I have found little detailed information about. I was wondering if there was any real direct evidence that RFIDs can be abused in the way people are fearing given all the handwringing and histrionics.
Tossing out boosting power and antenna gain doesn't really say anything. There are myriad other details. I was hoping someone could link to actual experiments with actual RFID tags.
That's very nice of you. If you showed evidence of basic competence of any area relevant to possible security / privacy or threats from RFIDs, I might be interested in your opinion.
LOL! Oh no! You wound me, sir! What's with the front of irritated faux sophistication? Wait- are you Stewie from the Family Guy?
Being a "geek", even a "pencilneck" (1 geek point for the reference), whatever the hell you mean by this
I *said* I was referring to a comment by another poster. Anyway, I'll let you go. It's probably nappie time for you. tell Brian the dog I said "Hi."
Hey! I tease! Laugh, blast you! Lighten up! Hug a kitten or a puppy or something. Have a Mike's Hard Lemonade.
Hey, if I could buy a 100-pack of low-power, short-range tabs I could put on reports, books, CDs, or anything else I have a habit of losing...
The era of lost car keys may be at an end.:-)
And I think the RFID are NO power and all are short range. They are charged up somehow by the scanner. I think that's how the Mobil Speedpass works. There an emitter bnehind the Pegasus logo, and if you look up, there what looks like a slotline antenna about 8 feet above the ground that receives the signal. The chip in the Speedpass is literally powered by the RF field. I think that's why you have to wave it, so you get EM flux.
I'm not trying to be flamebait here, but is there ANY evidence these things have enough range to really cause concern? Aren't these passive devices that have a range of about 4 feet after they have been activated by a scanner? Wouldn't the police have to be in the house anyway (and thus need a warrant) or the thief (thus he's already broken in and can SEE what I have)?
Is this another blown out of proportion nothing? Don't we have enough REAL issues to face that we don't need to make up new ones? One poster below talks about how only the geek community knows about this stuff. Fine. But shouldn't the geek community also be able to filter out the real threats from the piffle? If someone has any reliable information that a privacy threat from RFID exists, I'd happily review it, but all I have found is stuff on websites devoted to the black helicopter set that requires these devices to do things that are quite basically impossible.
It all sounds like the scare a few years back about the metal wires in the new dollar bills that were supposed to magically transmit their values from hundreds of feet away, through walls, to any G-man with a Dick Tracy scanner-watch. I think those people moved on to believing airplane contrails are full of poison chemicals or something.
So far all I see is a way to get out of a store without having to wait while Grandma writes a check for a pair of socks.
The police supposedly located O.J. Simpson during his low speed "getaway" via fairly crude cell phone geolocating methods. There were also reports of someone recognizing him and using *their* cell phone to call the police. Another source says that they located the cell his phone was in, and then a helicopter dispatched to the area spotted the white Bronco.
You'd think in the information age this data would be easily found.
The Invisibles by Grand Morrison is about a terrorist cell that goes on offensives against the United States government.
Well, it was more of an uber-organization controlled by the Archons that had its fingers in most of the world's governing bodies and militaries. The heros in were fighting these subverted segments of the government and military. I know people in the military who quite liked The Invisibles.
Personally, I think HBO or Showtime could very easily do a series based on Morrison's work. You just have to make it clear that what they are fighting is the alien influence of the Archons and their human puppets. Although given the money I think I'd take a crack at Halo Jones.
There's just too much content these days. If someone goes to a pay model, there's always some alternative. I can't think of any content I frequent that I'd pay for (sorry Slashdot;-)), but certain services are very useful.
I've been using Yahoo BillPay for over a year now at $7 a month, and I'd never, EVER go back to writing checks and mailing bills. In fact, I visit a mailbox once every 3 months because I now handle all business and correspondence online. I still have all these old 34 cent stamps to which I have to add a sheaf of 1 cent stamps in order to mail anything.
I also pay extra for Usenet access from a company that is dedicated to it. Gotta have those complete multi-part binaries, don't ya know.:) At least until the RIAA eventually goes there.:(
And I pay a little extra for an email/web space combo.
So I, personally, have no problem paying for services even thought I'm skeptical about paying for content. That's why I don't complain about advertising unless a page gives me more than one popup at a time. That's like two commercials playing at the same time on TV.
Does anyone actually design anything anymore? Or will the GNP of the USA in 2008 consist primarily of patent and copyright suits?
I think maybe Verner Vinge was on an incorrect track in his futurism. The Singularity will occur when every person in the world is directly involved in servicing one lawsuit or another. It will be called the Singulegem.
If governemnts subsidized people to install these instead of new shingles, this would severely cut down energy concerns.
Why take the money in the form of taxes, pass it through the government mess, and then dole it back out again? Why not just make the solar panels deductible? Then you avoid a wasteful bureaucracy to manage the subsidies. 100% of the cost goes into the panels. As people buy them, competition heats up, and they become affordable to an increasing number of people.
"We felt a lesson had to be taught," said newly appointed White House spokesdroid Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf after a volley of 753 cruise missiles were launched against the central assets of the nation's telemarketers. "Those phone calling, ass sucking bastards may feel safe hiding behind their lawyers, but they have been taught the shame that they shall now feel. We expect them to commit suicide at any moment."
Early reports indicate that every cruise missile hit its intended targets except for one that leveled a Stuckey's in deepest, darkest New Jersey.
"It was something else," said Garden State resident Bibby O'Leary. "There were nutty cheese balls everywhere. May the gracious Lord grant me my wish to never look upon such a sight again."
"We gave the stinking pig-dogs a chance with the National Do Not Fucking Bother Me Resolution," said al-Sahaf. "We gave them every chance, but their black little souls were full of evil, and they had to be taught a lesson.
"Gurgle! Argh!" shouted American Teleservices Association executive director Tim Searcy from his hospital bed where he was being treated for extensive limb loss. "Millions of grandmothers will die for lack of employment, and rats will devour the children of the land! Telemarketing is the only thing keeping the cloven hooved man-goat at bay in his underworld!"
"There is ample legal precedent for governmental interest in protecting residential privacy," said FCC spokesbabe Bubbles McConnifer. "If those cock-gobbling leeches at the ATA don't like it, we can add them to the list of known terrorist organizations, and tip off the MPAA that the ATA is involved in heavy file sharing. Let's see how those weasels like that."
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I am legion.
I'll believe it when I can order one from Digi-Key. :-)
I didn't make the argument. I *asked* if there was any real evidence to the contrary. I can find plenty of generic and theoretical hand waving, and futuristic confabulations that involve either [1] a black box of dubious possibility or [2] a pseudo-fascist government whose behavior defies 4000 years of empirical history, but not enough hard data to lead to the sort of near hysteria that I am seeing in some of the posts.
Oh dear! Was my post abusive or something? What brought this on?
Actually, I know quite a bit about basic RF, having worked in the field quite a bit before going into ASIC design. I've built operational ham radio equipment. It's the RFIDs themselves I have found little detailed information about. I was wondering if there was any real direct evidence that RFIDs can be abused in the way people are fearing given all the handwringing and histrionics.
Tossing out boosting power and antenna gain doesn't really say anything. There are myriad other details. I was hoping someone could link to actual experiments with actual RFID tags.
That's very nice of you. If you showed evidence of basic competence of any area relevant to possible security / privacy or threats from RFIDs, I might be interested in your opinion.
LOL! Oh no! You wound me, sir! What's with the front of irritated faux sophistication? Wait- are you Stewie from the Family Guy?
Being a "geek", even a "pencilneck" (1 geek point for the reference), whatever the hell you mean by this
I *said* I was referring to a comment by another poster. Anyway, I'll let you go. It's probably nappie time for you. tell Brian the dog I said "Hi."
Hey! I tease! Laugh, blast you! Lighten up! Hug a kitten or a puppy or something. Have a Mike's Hard Lemonade.
Until you install Windows.
The era of lost car keys may be at an end. :-)
And I think the RFID are NO power and all are short range. They are charged up somehow by the scanner. I think that's how the Mobil Speedpass works. There an emitter bnehind the Pegasus logo, and if you look up, there what looks like a slotline antenna about 8 feet above the ground that receives the signal. The chip in the Speedpass is literally powered by the RF field. I think that's why you have to wave it, so you get EM flux.
Is this another blown out of proportion nothing? Don't we have enough REAL issues to face that we don't need to make up new ones? One poster below talks about how only the geek community knows about this stuff. Fine. But shouldn't the geek community also be able to filter out the real threats from the piffle? If someone has any reliable information that a privacy threat from RFID exists, I'd happily review it, but all I have found is stuff on websites devoted to the black helicopter set that requires these devices to do things that are quite basically impossible.
It all sounds like the scare a few years back about the metal wires in the new dollar bills that were supposed to magically transmit their values from hundreds of feet away, through walls, to any G-man with a Dick Tracy scanner-watch. I think those people moved on to believing airplane contrails are full of poison chemicals or something.
So far all I see is a way to get out of a store without having to wait while Grandma writes a check for a pair of socks.
Wow. You mean all six of them?
:-)
Hey! I tease! BeOS was cool.
You'd think in the information age this data would be easily found.
Well, it was more of an uber-organization controlled by the Archons that had its fingers in most of the world's governing bodies and militaries. The heros in were fighting these subverted segments of the government and military. I know people in the military who quite liked The Invisibles.
Personally, I think HBO or Showtime could very easily do a series based on Morrison's work. You just have to make it clear that what they are fighting is the alien influence of the Archons and their human puppets. Although given the money I think I'd take a crack at Halo Jones.
I've been using Yahoo BillPay for over a year now at $7 a month, and I'd never, EVER go back to writing checks and mailing bills. In fact, I visit a mailbox once every 3 months because I now handle all business and correspondence online. I still have all these old 34 cent stamps to which I have to add a sheaf of 1 cent stamps in order to mail anything.
I also pay extra for Usenet access from a company that is dedicated to it. Gotta have those complete multi-part binaries, don't ya know. :) At least until the RIAA eventually goes there. :(
And I pay a little extra for an email/web space combo.
So I, personally, have no problem paying for services even thought I'm skeptical about paying for content. That's why I don't complain about advertising unless a page gives me more than one popup at a time. That's like two commercials playing at the same time on TV.
That's the biggest laugh I've had in weeks, man. God bless you and your continental penis.
Judging by some of the content of the Internet, I'd say all the fibers are seriously bent.
I think maybe Verner Vinge was on an incorrect track in his futurism. The Singularity will occur when every person in the world is directly involved in servicing one lawsuit or another. It will be called the Singulegem.
A typo nitpick?! In THIS day and age????!
The keys lit up and beeped when you "hit" them to provide some level of feedback. Pretty sweetly designed tech for an RPG cutscene.
Oh, and gimme one of those KOD-MOS battle androids, too, as long as I'm dreaming.
Can we get some "Tall" sizes?
I remember coveting a 38D (or two) in high school.
Geez, I'm sorry. It is a Monday after all.
I support this product and/or service. Hey, I like being contrarian.
Why take the money in the form of taxes, pass it through the government mess, and then dole it back out again? Why not just make the solar panels deductible? Then you avoid a wasteful bureaucracy to manage the subsidies. 100% of the cost goes into the panels. As people buy them, competition heats up, and they become affordable to an increasing number of people.
Early reports indicate that every cruise missile hit its intended targets except for one that leveled a Stuckey's in deepest, darkest New Jersey.
"It was something else," said Garden State resident Bibby O'Leary. "There were nutty cheese balls everywhere. May the gracious Lord grant me my wish to never look upon such a sight again."
"We gave the stinking pig-dogs a chance with the National Do Not Fucking Bother Me Resolution," said al-Sahaf. "We gave them every chance, but their black little souls were full of evil, and they had to be taught a lesson.
"Gurgle! Argh!" shouted American Teleservices Association executive director Tim Searcy from his hospital bed where he was being treated for extensive limb loss. "Millions of grandmothers will die for lack of employment, and rats will devour the children of the land! Telemarketing is the only thing keeping the cloven hooved man-goat at bay in his underworld!"
"There is ample legal precedent for governmental interest in protecting residential privacy," said FCC spokesbabe Bubbles McConnifer. "If those cock-gobbling leeches at the ATA don't like it, we can add them to the list of known terrorist organizations, and tip off the MPAA that the ATA is involved in heavy file sharing. Let's see how those weasels like that."
Related link:
Amateur photo of ATA headquarters.
Uh, that sort of my point about the scanner.
And whoever rated my post as "troll" can seriously suck me long and languidly. Guess I trod upon someone's precious political religion.
How will I know which lies to believe?
You should submit your summary to "Book A Minute" at http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/sff.shtml.
If you ignore sunrise, sunset and night.
The Earth rotates around the Sun!
Actually, it revolves around a common center of gravity with the Sun, and that's ignoring the other planets for the moment.
I will never sleep with Natalie Portman.
Is this a prediction or statement of desire should the oppurtunity arise?