$2500 - Scanners
$89.99 - Text Bridge Pro (OCR)
$259,997,410.01 - Labor (correcting OCR),
I do similar work on military tech manuals, and believe me, they've way underestimated the labor part. They'll never make it, unless the entire city of Bangalore decides to go for 17 cents an hour, then maybe.
Thanks to media soundbites that state little more than "copying music online is illegal" the world is getting the impression that unless you're a big media company, it's just plain illegal to distribute ANY music online.
...that's the whole point of this brouhaha over file-sharing. What really concerns the companies represented by RIAA, and other Media conglomerates is the--almost inevitable, and industry-altering--change in the distribution of creative works: Artists using free/open source, or at least far cheaper independent means of distribution and business, in general.
That's why I, as an occasional music downloader, and long-time pro musician, accept the risk, and welcome the fact that the 'industry' is laying off on going after the p2p software and network people--thanks to the Courts--and focusing on end users.
It isn't 'fair', for the reasons outlined by other posters here, but fairness has never had anything to do with Recording Industry aims, practices, or contracts.. And that is exactly why I hope to live long enough to see the first real blockbuster artist/group go totally independent.
If copyright were intended to be perpetual and handed down among generations and corporations, wouldn't the Constitution say that?
Yes, it would
IF...
...the purpose of the US Constitution was to delineate the rights of the citizens, BUT, that was never its stated or intended purpose...
Its sole purpose was to limit the powers of the government and 'lawmakers', and, as if that weren't enough, to assume that all rights not explicitly mentioned therein, were implicitly protected from infringement, although you'd never that from the way it gets 'interpreted' by the lackeys in the Appellate Division, and the Supreme Court, today.
in this case, we have a store that is making money by selling copies of music, and giving the musicians nothing in return.
So the musician's 'gate' from the concert and all those sweatshop-produced T-shirt profits don't count?
When Bruce Springsteen was suing Columbia Records, and didn't record any material, (breaking the Recording Contract that he had signed)...he would start his shows, and resume them after the Intermissions, with words exactly 'like', "All right you bootleggers, roll them tapes!", and then pause a bit, to give the guys time to press 'Play', and attain tape speed.
Why?... Because it was in his interest to keep his name, material, and 'brand' alive, that's why. And, of course, as soon as it was no longer in his self-interest, he switched 'sides' on the issue. He was one of the first bigname artists to come out against mp3s, and file-sharing, in general.
I download his stuff off the Usenet once in a while, just to trash it. Is there material harm to Bruce then? No. I love Bruce, as a human and songwriter, but bullshit walks, pal, no matter to whom it belongs. And it's no different if some crybabies have a boot of one of their over-priced shows sitting in a rack on 8th Street, either...Hypocrisy sucks, and the copyright laws have gotta go.
--
"The purpose of the music business is to sell booze." -Duke Ellington,(sadly)
Following the World Trade Center bombing you stated that these terrorists did this "because they hate our rights and freedoms", yet in the three past years all orders, decrees, and laws which limit, or abridge, these same rights and freedoms, have your signature on them, not Osama bin Laden's. Would you care to comment?
Recent polls internationally, show that the US is considered, overwhelmingly,to be the most serious threat to not only Democracy, but to the well-being of the Earth and its inhabitants.Yet,since 1945, US-backed right-wing paramilitary groups abroad, US-supported right-wing dictatorships, and illegal bombings of civilian targets contravening both US and International law, have resulted in nearly 12 million fatal civilian casualties around the World. Since these American activities are neither Constitutional, nor Christian, what moral authority is it, exactly, that gives you the right to decide who is, and who isn't, a terrorist threat?
...broke 90% of my Extensions (ah yes, plus ca change...), and still doesn't have a way to add file types to the Download Manager (whoa, is it 1993 already?). Luckily I had a second copy of 0.9.3 on another drive...
Having to click "Save to Disk" "OK" every time a.dmg or any of countless other filetypes come in, is silly. And "Remember this Setting" button is right up there with the Apple Finder's "Always Open in Column View"... great idea, even better if it worked (at all).
still my browser of choice, until OmniWeb gets rollin' some more
I hope some of the people here have (in a kindly manner) sent this fellow an email (cooking@cookingforengineers.com) to let him know about the/. phenomena.
If he slips back into 40-60 hits a day, who knows?
He should tough it out for a few days, pay the over-use fees, whatever they are, and give it a few days before upgrading, no?
...our post advocates a
(*) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work...
That is so funny, should be modded up. Nothing like a good, solid, insightful (and extra-hilarious)/. laugh in the middle of the night.
Microsoft's actionable predatory pricing practices aren't aimed at kids tweaking Linux boxes.... they're aimed at Microsoft's own 'locked-in' user base...
Guess which group is a million times bigger than the other?
Not eat your cheetohs, tweak gnome or whatever 2nd rate desktop yer on, and let grownups have a shot at bringing those assholes in Redmond to court.
--
When Eisner, over at Disney, was on the operating table, going under for quadruple-bypass surgery, he made a cel phone call to fire a couple guys... resilient and twisted.
What they actually meant was:
When you are navigating within the spymac email site, you'll think you're downloading a 1 Gig attachment. Sorry for the confusion".
~flipper
I use their Unlimited local/long distance, as provided through Earthlink (running over TimeWarner Cable.
They have been amazing with me. Long grace periods when my billing was delayed. Retroactively crediting my account when I 'changed my mind' about an additional virtual number.
Has their server system gone a little haywire, ever? Sure, twice, that I know of, in six months. Must have lasted 30 minutes, altogether.
When TimeWarner cut my Cable TV this week, my Earthlink and Unlimited Voice continued to work over the cable modem hookup...not too shabby. When I asked a tech, while still in Florida, about being able to access the system if I was 'on the road', he said, "Well, we don't exactly advertise this, but if you plug your router and Cisco telephony box into a cable system, anywhere, it'll work."
"Free" local calls?? What planet are you from? I paid $42 a month in florida, to call practically nobody local. That sound like a bargain to you?
And we "don't pay for internet access in the first place"??? Are you daft, or did you just fall down the stairwell head first this morning? ISPs charge money, monthly, dear.
And dial-up folks trade-off telephone connection the entire time their little ad-filled boxes are hogging the line. So while Auntie Em is calling to ask if you remember where her heart attack pills are, you're wanking in front of your Dell waiting for a shitload of png files and java applet spy-shit to download so you can watch more ads.
We're gettin' away with murder, Stateside, right!
I'm using Earthlink high-speed, over cable (TimeWarner), and running an unlimited local/long distance telephone (VoIP). 42 to earthlink, 46 to earthlink Phone (two tele # aliases, plus 50-state, all Canada 24/7), and (due to an HBO addiction) 60+ to TimeWarner.... thats $148 a month, plus 5 grand in computer gear that'll be worth 1200 in another year. So, add 3800 divided by 24, let's say...hmmm, whaddya know, another $158 a month...so, now my fine-feathered friend, at $306 US a month, over here... how much are you paying? Whose the freeloader?
I publish three newspapers off a Titanium 667 Powerbook. The OS has 'crashed', as you put it, maybe 5 times in 16 months. Give us a break.
Why did it crash? maybe because i'm running 30 programs at once, at times, with OS 9, OSX 10.2.6, Windows 2000 Pro (in VirtualPC), and Darwin (bash in the Terminal)... ALL AT THE SAME TIME.!! Try that on XP, or linux... Oops, I forgot, most Linux installations on the desktop (fewer, worldwide than even the Mac's 3%) won't run Win, Mac, and Unix at the same time. Sorry.
Not enough software on the Mac? Really, tell that to the Jet Propulsion Lab, NASA, SRI, and every magazine and big-city newspaper on the planet.
Face it, people. For years the MS apologists have talked about the Mac being not 'serious', 'not for business, research, etc'. Absolute bullshit. Apple let all that stuff 'slide', while the 'Pepsi-guy' was running the show in Cupertino. Shit done changed, homies
When you corner one of these pathetic 'it's -a- 'real work- box' MS guys, what does it all come back down to???? Gaming. Har har har.And the 'heavy' gamers are using 98 and these 'tricked-out' Voodoo boxes that cost just as much as mid-level G5s (when they come out) for Christ's sake.
Let's see how the bigname games do on a 1 Gig front-side bus, and independent IBM 970s, with up to 8GB RAM...compared to the most state-of-the-'art', crash-prone PC.
I love that. The part about 'flipping the thing 90 degrees."
Trying to decipher a Centro Bus Schedule (that had its 'map' printed sideways), was the 1st time I'd used the clockwise/counter-clockwise buttons in Acrobat 6 Pro.
Thanks for an 'obvious' tip
BTW, I have hundreds of books on my Titanium PowerBook. Having read many of them on both an external 22" monitor, and the LCD, I can vouch for the utility of eBooks. No way I'd go to the Palm, for reading, though.
As for the preference for hardbound, 'real' books? Well, nobody dislikes books, I hope, but having 'Bookmarks' in Acrobat, (Which one can jigger to one's heart's content) make the electronic version invaluable, specially when dealing with techy stuff, or a work-in-progress. (in the case of a writer who saves to pdf out of Final Draft, etc).
Let musicians benefit from the exposure afforded by file-sharing, the same way they have always benefited by the exposure from record sales, and they will continue to make money from live performances. Why can't we leave it at that???
That's the $12 Billion (US) question, and the answer is simple:
What the RIAA is really after is the prevention of a system, whose parts are already in place, whereby musicians, film makers, and others, can distribute their own work, enabling their performing and/or supplying of 'higher-grade' copies, without needing the 'middlemen' who have been robbing them all along.
The Congress ran a subcommittee hearing back in the 90s, and the gist of their report, which the military promised to 'follow-up on', was that there were tons, literally, of documents missing from the original Military-inventoried document base concerning the reports surrounding the Roswell 'event'.
Military position was that the debris was part of a new, secret, ultra-high altitude balloon.
Personally, I favor this theory: That the military and gov't would rather people think of 'Little green men' in their thoughts re: Nevada, and 'overlook' the actual fact of the huge numbers of cancers and environmental damage engendered by the above-, and below-, ground nuclear tests there.
They could Shut down relays that carry SPAM, in any way. Overnight, AOL, Hotmail, Earthlink, AT&T/Comcast,Yahoo,telcos, TimeWarner and the others would have billions of emails sent back to their 'abuse' departments.
I wonder how long Hotmail, AOL, et al, would hide behind 'ignorance re: legitimacy of mail servers' in that scenario? 30 seconds? 30 minutes? it would be a mess, no doubt.
All the 'spoofed headers' and hijacked' URLs in the world would be blocked. They wouldn't need to make law for europe, asia, etc. AOL, yahoo, and the rest are already over there. If they wanted their own systems carried on the internet backbone, they'd solve the SPAM thing before sunset.
Why wouldn't it happen? Because, just like the War on Drugs, the last thing the Feds and powers-that-be want to see happen is an end to the 'action'.
War on Drugs BS regarding confiscating guy's Mercedes, Rolex, ranch house,bank account, etc, is bullshit. Why not confiscate 747s and steamships, and military C-131s, instead? Every friggin suitcase, plane, baggage handler, FedEx, military transport in the western world would have bomb and dope-sniffin' dogs... right along with stewardesses and whatnot. it'd be grow yer own or get clean
same with SPAM, if they got hurt, bigtime, it would be over, but they want it like this... just biz, info lost in the onslaught of shit, people demoralized-ignorant, and a 'token' fakeass 'war' to capitalize on the bullshit.
Block the heavyweights (to hell with the viagra/mortgage/scam/pay-porn guys) from backbone access--> end SPAM in hours
I agree. But to my memory, Netscape died (slowly, at first) as soon as AOL picked them up. Unix and Windows users won't relate to this, but, the old Netscape Communicator 4.7.x on-even-OS 7.6.1 was a treat. Far snappier than the equivalent IE/Outlook, for an all-in-one.
I won't use all-in-ones; Preferring Thoth, Eudora and one of the standalone browsers,(Camino, Safari, OmniWeb, or, even, iCab). Each release of Omni/Camino/Safari leap-frogs the others.
Browser Wars over? They are for me. I don't even keep IE on the Dock. I see hyperlinks that 'call' IE, even though it is de-selected throughout my system. The sites go into my blocked file.
Trends are not 'forever' things. MS and their ill-gotten' (no income tax) cash stash can be mismanaged into oblivion, easily. If people are shunning AOL's screwy Internet 'front-end' (a cheery thought), then anything is possible.
It seems obvious, but one of the coolest things about the slightly slower Mac OS is the ability to seamlessly drop modules/apps into one's own version of an interface to the Web, and comm, in general.
Sure there will be iLifers, and bundled-apps users in the Mac user base. So what? This is MY box, running my stuff. I run VPC on here, partly out of the 'creepy' factor. (Seeing the MS flag on a Mac, weirdness...). But trends? Forget about them. Fortunes, and the lives tethered to them, have been lost, repeatedly, over a blind reverence towards trends, and the fallacious belief that the 'way things are' is 'the way they'll always be'.
With software, I always fear that beside enhancements, also restrictions will be built in (happend with quicktime once years ago). Therefore, I usually
keep a copy of the old software or to make full backups before upgrading the OS.
Sorry for the OT, but after too many day/nights on the box, I'm curious; Are you talking about the removal of editing features that happened around QT 3 - 4?
I think they dropped them to the 'Pro' version then, right?
The funniest part was, the first 'Pro' was an update that had us going to the Apple servers, hanging on there for 7 or 8 minutes 'downloading', and 'installing', (after paying) and all it was was a serial that unlocked the 'features'.....again.
Anyhoo, was that what you referred to, or am I more baked than I think/feel ?
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I do similar work on military tech manuals, and believe me, they've way underestimated the labor part. They'll never make it, unless the entire city of Bangalore decides to go for 17 cents an hour, then maybe.
...that's the whole point of this brouhaha over file-sharing. What really concerns the companies represented by RIAA, and other Media conglomerates is the--almost inevitable, and industry-altering--change in the distribution of creative works: Artists using free/open source, or at least far cheaper independent means of distribution and business, in general.
That's why I, as an occasional music downloader, and long-time pro musician, accept the risk, and welcome the fact that the 'industry' is laying off on going after the p2p software and network people--thanks to the Courts--and focusing on end users.
It isn't 'fair', for the reasons outlined by other posters here, but fairness has never had anything to do with Recording Industry aims, practices, or contracts.. And that is exactly why I hope to live long enough to see the first real blockbuster artist/group go totally independent.
Yes, it would
IF...
...the purpose of the US Constitution was to delineate the rights of the citizens, BUT, that was never its stated or intended purpose...
Its sole purpose was to limit the powers of the government and 'lawmakers', and, as if that weren't enough, to assume that all rights not explicitly mentioned therein, were implicitly protected from infringement, although you'd never that from the way it gets 'interpreted' by the lackeys in the Appellate Division, and the Supreme Court, today.
So the musician's 'gate' from the concert and all those sweatshop-produced T-shirt profits don't count?
When Bruce Springsteen was suing Columbia Records, and didn't record any material, (breaking the Recording Contract that he had signed)...he would start his shows, and resume them after the Intermissions, with words exactly 'like', "All right you bootleggers, roll them tapes!", and then pause a bit, to give the guys time to press 'Play', and attain tape speed.
Why?... Because it was in his interest to keep his name, material, and 'brand' alive, that's why. And, of course, as soon as it was no longer in his self-interest, he switched 'sides' on the issue. He was one of the first bigname artists to come out against mp3s, and file-sharing, in general.
I download his stuff off the Usenet once in a while, just to trash it. Is there material harm to Bruce then? No. I love Bruce, as a human and songwriter, but bullshit walks, pal, no matter to whom it belongs. And it's no different if some crybabies have a boot of one of their over-priced shows sitting in a rack on 8th Street, either...Hypocrisy sucks, and the copyright laws have gotta go.
-- "The purpose of the music business is to sell booze." -Duke Ellington,(sadly)Following the World Trade Center bombing you stated that these terrorists did this "because they hate our rights and freedoms", yet in the three past years all orders, decrees, and laws which limit, or abridge, these same rights and freedoms, have your signature on them, not Osama bin Laden's. Would you care to comment?
Recent polls internationally, show that the US is considered, overwhelmingly,to be the most serious threat to not only Democracy, but to the well-being of the Earth and its inhabitants.Yet,since 1945, US-backed right-wing paramilitary groups abroad, US-supported right-wing dictatorships, and illegal bombings of civilian targets contravening both US and International law, have resulted in nearly 12 million fatal civilian casualties around the World. Since these American activities are neither Constitutional, nor Christian, what moral authority is it, exactly, that gives you the right to decide who is, and who isn't, a terrorist threat?
--too old to ask, but not too old to vote
...broke 90% of my Extensions (ah yes, plus ca change...), and still doesn't have a way to add file types to the Download Manager (whoa, is it 1993 already?). Luckily I had a second copy of 0.9.3 on another drive...
Having to click "Save to Disk" "OK" every time a .dmg or any of countless other filetypes come in, is silly. And "Remember this Setting" button is right up there with the Apple Finder's "Always Open in Column View"... great idea, even better if it worked (at all).
still my browser of choice, until OmniWeb gets rollin' some more
I hope some of the people here have (in a kindly manner) sent this fellow an email (cooking@cookingforengineers.com) to let him know about the /. phenomena.
If he slips back into 40-60 hits a day, who knows?
He should tough it out for a few days, pay the over-use fees, whatever they are, and give it a few days before upgrading, no?
The site's great, too.
Microsoft's actionable predatory pricing practices aren't aimed at kids tweaking Linux boxes.... they're aimed at Microsoft's own 'locked-in' user base... Guess which group is a million times bigger than the other? Not eat your cheetohs, tweak gnome or whatever 2nd rate desktop yer on, and let grownups have a shot at bringing those assholes in Redmond to court. --
When Eisner, over at Disney, was on the operating table, going under for quadruple-bypass surgery, he made a cel phone call to fire a couple guys... resilient and twisted.
What they actually meant was: When you are navigating within the spymac email site, you'll think you're downloading a 1 Gig attachment. Sorry for the confusion". ~flipper
Very cool, thanks for the posted pic. Brian Stegner aka ~flipper
They have been amazing with me. Long grace periods when my billing was delayed. Retroactively crediting my account when I 'changed my mind' about an additional virtual number.
Has their server system gone a little haywire, ever? Sure, twice, that I know of, in six months. Must have lasted 30 minutes, altogether.
When TimeWarner cut my Cable TV this week, my Earthlink and Unlimited Voice continued to work over the cable modem hookup...not too shabby. When I asked a tech, while still in Florida, about being able to access the system if I was 'on the road', he said, "Well, we don't exactly advertise this, but if you plug your router and Cisco telephony box into a cable system, anywhere, it'll work."
Righteous."Free" local calls?? What planet are you from? I paid $42 a month in florida, to call practically nobody local. That sound like a bargain to you?
And we "don't pay for internet access in the first place"??? Are you daft, or did you just fall down the stairwell head first this morning? ISPs charge money, monthly, dear.
And dial-up folks trade-off telephone connection the entire time their little ad-filled boxes are hogging the line. So while Auntie Em is calling to ask if you remember where her heart attack pills are, you're wanking in front of your Dell waiting for a shitload of png files and java applet spy-shit to download so you can watch more ads.
We're gettin' away with murder, Stateside, right!
I'm using Earthlink high-speed, over cable (TimeWarner), and running an unlimited local/long distance telephone (VoIP). 42 to earthlink, 46 to earthlink Phone (two tele # aliases, plus 50-state, all Canada 24/7), and (due to an HBO addiction) 60+ to TimeWarner.... thats $148 a month, plus 5 grand in computer gear that'll be worth 1200 in another year. So, add 3800 divided by 24, let's say...hmmm, whaddya know, another $158 a month...so, now my fine-feathered friend, at $306 US a month, over here... how much are you paying? Whose the freeloader?
~flipperWhy did it crash? maybe because i'm running 30 programs at once, at times, with OS 9, OSX 10.2.6, Windows 2000 Pro (in VirtualPC), and Darwin (bash in the Terminal)... ALL AT THE SAME TIME.!! Try that on XP, or linux... Oops, I forgot, most Linux installations on the desktop (fewer, worldwide than even the Mac's 3%) won't run Win, Mac, and Unix at the same time. Sorry.
Not enough software on the Mac? Really, tell that to the Jet Propulsion Lab, NASA, SRI, and every magazine and big-city newspaper on the planet.
Face it, people. For years the MS apologists have talked about the Mac being not 'serious', 'not for business, research, etc'. Absolute bullshit. Apple let all that stuff 'slide', while the 'Pepsi-guy' was running the show in Cupertino. Shit done changed, homies
When you corner one of these pathetic 'it's -a- 'real work- box' MS guys, what does it all come back down to???? Gaming. Har har har.And the 'heavy' gamers are using 98 and these 'tricked-out' Voodoo boxes that cost just as much as mid-level G5s (when they come out) for Christ's sake.
Let's see how the bigname games do on a 1 Gig front-side bus, and independent IBM 970s, with up to 8GB RAM...compared to the most state-of-the-'art', crash-prone PC.
NeXT
Trying to decipher a Centro Bus Schedule (that had its 'map' printed sideways), was the 1st time I'd used the clockwise/counter-clockwise buttons in Acrobat 6 Pro.
Thanks for an 'obvious' tip
BTW, I have hundreds of books on my Titanium PowerBook. Having read many of them on both an external 22" monitor, and the LCD, I can vouch for the utility of eBooks. No way I'd go to the Palm, for reading, though.
As for the preference for hardbound, 'real' books? Well, nobody dislikes books, I hope, but having 'Bookmarks' in Acrobat, (Which one can jigger to one's heart's content) make the electronic version invaluable, specially when dealing with techy stuff, or a work-in-progress. (in the case of a writer who saves to pdf out of Final Draft, etc).
That's the $12 Billion (US) question, and the answer is simple:
What the RIAA is really after is the prevention of a system, whose parts are already in place, whereby musicians, film makers, and others, can distribute their own work, enabling their performing and/or supplying of 'higher-grade' copies, without needing the 'middlemen' who have been robbing them all along.
... and a grand for a monitor that can make use of the Radeon.
That means 'star of the WWDC' as in celine est la plus grande vedette' [celine is the biggest star] ...show biz style, a la quebecoise...
The Congress ran a subcommittee hearing back in the 90s, and the gist of their report, which the military promised to 'follow-up on', was that there were tons, literally, of documents missing from the original Military-inventoried document base concerning the reports surrounding the Roswell 'event'.
Military position was that the debris was part of a new, secret, ultra-high altitude balloon.
Personally, I favor this theory: That the military and gov't would rather people think of 'Little green men' in their thoughts re: Nevada, and 'overlook' the actual fact of the huge numbers of cancers and environmental damage engendered by the above-, and below-, ground nuclear tests there.
~flipperThey could Shut down relays that carry SPAM, in any way. Overnight, AOL, Hotmail, Earthlink, AT&T/Comcast,Yahoo,telcos, TimeWarner and the others would have billions of emails sent back to their 'abuse' departments.
I wonder how long Hotmail, AOL, et al, would hide behind 'ignorance re: legitimacy of mail servers' in that scenario? 30 seconds? 30 minutes? it would be a mess, no doubt.
All the 'spoofed headers' and hijacked' URLs in the world would be blocked. They wouldn't need to make law for europe, asia, etc. AOL, yahoo, and the rest are already over there. If they wanted their own systems carried on the internet backbone, they'd solve the SPAM thing before sunset.
Why wouldn't it happen? Because, just like the War on Drugs, the last thing the Feds and powers-that-be want to see happen is an end to the 'action'.
War on Drugs BS regarding confiscating guy's Mercedes, Rolex, ranch house,bank account, etc, is bullshit. Why not confiscate 747s and steamships, and military C-131s, instead? Every friggin suitcase, plane, baggage handler, FedEx, military transport in the western world would have bomb and dope-sniffin' dogs... right along with stewardesses and whatnot. it'd be grow yer own or get clean
same with SPAM, if they got hurt, bigtime, it would be over, but they want it like this... just biz, info lost in the onslaught of shit, people demoralized-ignorant, and a 'token' fakeass 'war' to capitalize on the bullshit.
Block the heavyweights (to hell with the viagra/mortgage/scam/pay-porn guys) from backbone access--> end SPAM in hours
Sound meter? useless?
Might come in handy getting the proper levels when shooting a DV of a sneak preview. Do the VUs glow in the dark?
If so, wake me up when it makes me coffee.
I agree. But to my memory, Netscape died (slowly, at first) as soon as AOL picked them up. Unix and Windows users won't relate to this, but, the old Netscape Communicator 4.7.x on-even-OS 7.6.1 was a treat. Far snappier than the equivalent IE/Outlook, for an all-in-one.
I won't use all-in-ones; Preferring Thoth, Eudora and one of the standalone browsers,(Camino, Safari, OmniWeb, or, even, iCab). Each release of Omni/Camino/Safari leap-frogs the others.
Browser Wars over? They are for me. I don't even keep IE on the Dock. I see hyperlinks that 'call' IE, even though it is de-selected throughout my system. The sites go into my blocked file.
Trends are not 'forever' things. MS and their ill-gotten' (no income tax) cash stash can be mismanaged into oblivion, easily. If people are shunning AOL's screwy Internet 'front-end' (a cheery thought), then anything is possible.
It seems obvious, but one of the coolest things about the slightly slower Mac OS is the ability to seamlessly drop modules/apps into one's own version of an interface to the Web, and comm, in general.
Sure there will be iLifers, and bundled-apps users in the Mac user base. So what? This is MY box, running my stuff. I run VPC on here, partly out of the 'creepy' factor. (Seeing the MS flag on a Mac, weirdness...). But trends? Forget about them. Fortunes, and the lives tethered to them, have been lost, repeatedly, over a blind reverence towards trends, and the fallacious belief that the 'way things are' is 'the way they'll always be'.
I think they dropped them to the 'Pro' version then, right?
The funniest part was, the first 'Pro' was an update that had us going to the Apple servers, hanging on there for 7 or 8 minutes 'downloading', and 'installing', (after paying) and all it was was a serial that unlocked the 'features'.....again.
Anyhoo, was that what you referred to, or am I more baked than I think/feel ?
thanks.