Assuming that it's a physical limitation... Everyone needs routing, high speed backbone access and last mile service. That's it... all of these are technical limitiations, while traffic may be growing exponentially so too is bandwidth availability.
It's obvious with most ISPs that billions are being spent on advertising, lobbying, litigation, wireless spectrum, support, etc.
The trans ocean cables (which DO cost billions) and deliver a measly few hundred gigabit are expensive... but with proper caching this isn't really a bottleneck.
Another thing to remember is that people's need for bandwidth won't continue increasing forever.
In fact I think we are very close to the point where it levels out, key points are the point where it becomes easier to download a movie of your desktop (No app that requires transfering more data than a video stream can't be run remotely), video game maximum bandwidth (which seems to be evening out aorund 7KBps), and video... which if the telecoms hadn't tried to ban would all be cached at the isp.
As far as your car analogy goes, that's all well and good but it doesn't resolve the fact that new cars should have enough bandwidth for voip, video, gaming or p2p at a reasonable level... Technology in cars isn't growing that fast because it's materials engineering... once you get into silicon you get Moore and his nifty law.
The question in how much will ISPs spend on tech support and billing before they even CONSIDER upgrading their networks.
They seem to feel secure that no one can compete with them, and so they're not making their service better they're aiming for more market penetration... they spend billions on support when that money could just offer more of what they're selling... BANDWIDTH. NOT CONNECTIVITY, not individual apps, they sell bandwidth.
"You can only imagine that an I.S.P. that marketed a 'fair trade' network connection would see a marketing advantage.'"
First off 0%... more cost? Dude I have encryption...
Second, the current lawsuits don't really affect many people outside the U.S. we're not scared to go on pirating in the open, MPAA might be able to pull this off if they could catch all the people with I.P.'s listed in bittorrent.
3rd. Hello Extortion won't you come join the already failing U.S. internet push...
This whole thing is a blatant attempt to push a clause of the ISPs being responsible for content... which they are NOT. The legalization of accessing unsecured wireless networks proves it's not constitutional to monitor the communications to the degree that is required.
Finally to ensure that piracy of smaller labels and major labels that choose not to join this group doesn't take place would require monitoring of internet communication, bye bye privacy.
It is as the Teksavvy representative states, they want me to pay $50-100 for a tech to come out and test the line. The connection is made and their testing from their end indicates that my service should be fantastic (across the street & behind us they both get excellent service M6G2c7 is my postal code, Braemore Gardens south side).
I am not allowed to take my chances with the line, they require that I pay a tech to come... the $ isn't really the issue, the problem is that Bell has imposed a tax that lets them protect their monopoly and bypass regulations.
I am NOT with Bell currently, though Rogers is no better. They just offer to hook me up without sending a tech!
The best part is the phone lines SPLIT BEHIND MY HOUSE, I can see the lines that go to "O.K." homes splitting from my lines that go to "Locked" houses (Including mine).
Again the representative with Teksavy did not seem surprised that Bell was doing this.
Well Battlestar Galactica obviously Traders: Drama about Bay St.(Toronto's Wall St.) Stock market This is Wonderland: Canadian court drama, very Canadian, problematic legal issues. Kenny vs. Spenny: Some debate over realism, but intense... roomates competing in a variety of competitons... required stoned viewing. Road to Avonlea: Now megastar Sarah Polley, kind of like Anne of Green Gables... very very solid show. No action.
There's tonnes more but those are probably the best dramas.
miss Seriously Intel/Nvidia why can't I get a performance non-SLI Enthusiast class motherboard cheap?
AMD does it and did it before they integrated the memory controller into the cpu.
I'm glad ATI/AMD is making a comeback because they offered performance cpu/mobo combinations at a reasonable price.
I can watch morons buy $300 motherboards, $1000 cpus, and $600 GPUS without spite (well maybe a little) but don't make the next step down $50 motherboards, $90 cpus, and $50 GPUS... seriously...
All three components should be in the $150 range, the cpu can go as low as $100 and GPU as high as $250.. I'm neither poor nor rich, I enjoy games and understand that a performance system doesn't last long... so why aren't you offering the 1-2 year systems that most people want!
Don't make my monitor the choke point, don't release parts that can't handle current games...
Firefox tried the same marketting fluff with the 2betas.
Final release and Opera was still ahead...
I love open source, kubuntu for programming and all that... but expecting Firefox with plugins to mimic Opera's functionality will likely be slower than Opera.
Besides ad block there is a mail client with a baysian filter, bittorrent client (which I don't use admittedly), and a bunch of other goodies.
figure out how to make one with this book then really you don't deserve one.
1. Get Fusionable material... 2. Compress it or not (little boy vs Fat man...) compression needs less material but requires precision explosives. 3. Get something that produces fast neutrons. 4.Boom.
Now if someone could just post the documentation on tritium or hydrogen weapons I can get back to work...
We just discussed how it's radically more efficient, unused bandwidth can now be used at every level.
I assume that you're a capitalist to the core from your silly comment... maybe if you ACTUALLY had faith in the capitalism you seem to represent you'd realize that more efficiency = less cost... all monopoly problems notwithstanding.
I recently tried to ditch ROGERS which has sporadic outages and fluxuating bandwidth (which goes far beyond the traffic levels in the neighborhood)... For Teksavvy (29.95 for 768k up and 5mbps down consistent [Got it for my Grandmother and tested]) when I called and gave my Bell phone # they said I was "Locked Out" by Bell and she didn't seem surprised, I live in downtown Toronto.
"Locked out" WTF is that?! Of course calling Bell they gave me the run around I guess they don't need the 15-17$ a month they'd get from leasing out the lines (leaving the ISP with $13-15 for 5 mbps service)...
I don't know how this "Locked Out" works or whether it's legal but I'm paying rogers something like 9-15$ more a month for inferior service and support... Seeing as I'm from Canada I can say, MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL IS REQUIRED!
I mean at least I'm not in the states but that's small consolation when the isps form an oligopoly and deny me better cheaper service that they're legally required to provide.
Maybe 4 million subscribers to rogers and bell in Toronto x $15 a month = class action suit.
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An industry where content or product (something to bring in customers) was WANTED?!
Reading this article I can't.
But your 2N router concept makes little sense.
Assuming that it's a physical limitation... Everyone needs routing, high speed backbone access and last mile service. That's it... all of these are technical limitiations, while traffic may be growing exponentially so too is bandwidth availability.
It's obvious with most ISPs that billions are being spent on advertising, lobbying, litigation, wireless spectrum, support, etc.
The trans ocean cables (which DO cost billions) and deliver a measly few hundred gigabit are expensive... but with proper caching this isn't really a bottleneck.
Another thing to remember is that people's need for bandwidth won't continue increasing forever.
In fact I think we are very close to the point where it levels out, key points are the point where it becomes easier to download a movie of your desktop (No app that requires transfering more data than a video stream can't be run remotely), video game maximum bandwidth (which seems to be evening out aorund 7KBps), and video... which if the telecoms hadn't tried to ban would all be cached at the isp.
As far as your car analogy goes, that's all well and good but it doesn't resolve the fact that new cars should have enough bandwidth for voip, video, gaming or p2p at a reasonable level... Technology in cars isn't growing that fast because it's materials engineering... once you get into silicon you get Moore and his nifty law.
The question in how much will ISPs spend on tech support and billing before they even CONSIDER upgrading their networks.
They seem to feel secure that no one can compete with them, and so they're not making their service better they're aiming for more market penetration... they spend billions on support when that money could just offer more of what they're selling... BANDWIDTH. NOT CONNECTIVITY, not individual apps, they sell bandwidth.
Ruthlessness, continued aggression in the face of total submission.
Helping grannies is different from punching a guy when he's asking for mercy... people fake that stuff all the time.
Raid, Flash raid, ramdrives... ISPS suck, don't try and pretend they aren't the bottleneck.
I feel the same way when I go to the U.S.! Let those morons fight it out I say!
"You can only imagine that an I.S.P. that marketed a 'fair trade' network connection would see a marketing advantage.'"
First off 0%... more cost? Dude I have encryption...
Second, the current lawsuits don't really affect many people outside the U.S. we're not scared to go on pirating in the open, MPAA might be able to pull this off if they could catch all the people with I.P.'s listed in bittorrent.
3rd. Hello Extortion won't you come join the already failing U.S. internet push...
This whole thing is a blatant attempt to push a clause of the ISPs being responsible for content... which they are NOT. The legalization of accessing unsecured wireless networks proves it's not constitutional to monitor the communications to the degree that is required.
Finally to ensure that piracy of smaller labels and major labels that choose not to join this group doesn't take place would require monitoring of internet communication, bye bye privacy.
No fair, Opera needs to support all three platforms... and it needs to have a tiny memory footprint.
Sure mozilla slings things out the door with gaping memory leaks and security holes but people expect better from Opera!
Well if that's the contest Opera will probably come in second, apple doesn't like making people update unnecessarily.
You don't find it sad? We're not living up to predictions... maybe we're slowing?
Corruption setting in to this democratic capitalistic monoculture that we hail as the eternal civilization?
Nah, we're awsome... they were just stupid.
on Kazaa?
irc.nullus.net
Contribute please.
No one wants to support windows.
Example: Kanye's "Stronger" No admission of remix in the title... what a load of bullocks. Catchy though...
It is as the Teksavvy representative states, they want me to pay $50-100 for a tech to come out and test the line. The connection is made and their testing from their end indicates that my service should be fantastic (across the street & behind us they both get excellent service M6G2c7 is my postal code, Braemore Gardens south side).
I am not allowed to take my chances with the line, they require that I pay a tech to come... the $ isn't really the issue, the problem is that Bell has imposed a tax that lets them protect their monopoly and bypass regulations.
I am NOT with Bell currently, though Rogers is no better. They just offer to hook me up without sending a tech!
The best part is the phone lines SPLIT BEHIND MY HOUSE, I can see the lines that go to "O.K." homes splitting from my lines that go to "Locked" houses (Including mine).
Again the representative with Teksavy did not seem surprised that Bell was doing this.
Well Battlestar Galactica obviously
Traders: Drama about Bay St.(Toronto's Wall St.) Stock market
This is Wonderland: Canadian court drama, very Canadian, problematic legal issues.
Kenny vs. Spenny: Some debate over realism, but intense... roomates competing in a variety of competitons... required stoned viewing.
Road to Avonlea: Now megastar Sarah Polley, kind of like Anne of Green Gables... very very solid show. No action.
There's tonnes more but those are probably the best dramas.
I'd love some recommendations.
Bell has me "Locked" to their sympatico service. Which means they will let me get Sympatico but they won't allow anyone else to provide it.
Which of course totally blows, I was going to go with teksavvy.
miss
Seriously Intel/Nvidia why can't I get a performance non-SLI Enthusiast class motherboard cheap?
AMD does it and did it before they integrated the memory controller into the cpu.
I'm glad ATI/AMD is making a comeback because they offered performance cpu/mobo combinations at a reasonable price.
I can watch morons buy $300 motherboards, $1000 cpus, and $600 GPUS without spite (well maybe a little) but don't make the next step down $50 motherboards, $90 cpus, and $50 GPUS... seriously...
All three components should be in the $150 range, the cpu can go as low as $100 and GPU as high as $250.. I'm neither poor nor rich, I enjoy games and understand that a performance system doesn't last long... so why aren't you offering the 1-2 year systems that most people want!
Don't make my monitor the choke point, don't release parts that can't handle current games...
Been doing that since Opera6.
I hope this graph shows why...
Firefox tried the same marketting fluff with the 2betas.
Final release and Opera was still ahead...
I love open source, kubuntu for programming and all that... but expecting Firefox with plugins to mimic Opera's functionality will likely be slower than Opera.
Besides ad block there is a mail client with a baysian filter, bittorrent client (which I don't use admittedly), and a bunch of other goodies.
AND NO ADS! GET OVER IT!
between most science and technology is such that we only get a minute amout of the former on /,
Slashdot is a brilliant news source with brilliant contributers but still...
I've found myself going to conferences to get my fix...
Nanotechnology promises to unite chemistry, engineering and biology... Quantum mechanics will re-write physics and philosophy...
The only hard sciences, that can be practiced without millions of dollars of funding, are mathmatics and information science.
It's a fantastic staple! Go Europe!
But come on rice or potatoes.... let's mix up our staple!
figure out how to make one with this book then really you don't deserve one.
1. Get Fusionable material...
2. Compress it or not (little boy vs Fat man...) compression needs less material but requires precision explosives.
3. Get something that produces fast neutrons.
4.Boom.
Now if someone could just post the documentation on tritium or hydrogen weapons I can get back to work...
That's not the question though... the real question is do you share your wireless?
If you acknowledge the importance of free wireless do you help things or do you think "meh others can just pay for it, I need 5k more for bittorrent!"
We just discussed how it's radically more efficient, unused bandwidth can now be used at every level.
I assume that you're a capitalist to the core from your silly comment... maybe if you ACTUALLY had faith in the capitalism you seem to represent you'd realize that more efficiency = less cost... all monopoly problems notwithstanding.
I recently tried to ditch ROGERS which has sporadic outages and fluxuating bandwidth (which goes far beyond the traffic levels in the neighborhood)... For Teksavvy (29.95 for 768k up and 5mbps down consistent [Got it for my Grandmother and tested]) when I called and gave my Bell phone # they said I was "Locked Out" by Bell and she didn't seem surprised, I live in downtown Toronto.
"Locked out" WTF is that?! Of course calling Bell they gave me the run around I guess they don't need the 15-17$ a month they'd get from leasing out the lines (leaving the ISP with $13-15 for 5 mbps service)...
I don't know how this "Locked Out" works or whether it's legal but I'm paying rogers something like 9-15$ more a month for inferior service and support... Seeing as I'm from Canada I can say, MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL IS REQUIRED!
I mean at least I'm not in the states but that's small consolation when the isps form an oligopoly and deny me better cheaper service that they're legally required to provide.
Maybe 4 million subscribers to rogers and bell in Toronto x $15 a month = class action suit.
Um they have their live recordings and previous albumns available... And probably keep people updated on their compositional progress.
Infiltrating encryption and security software at the source, have you noticed large amounts of server corruption to distribute compromised software.
Are there any plans to put backdoors in domestic encryption software?
Why are you lying?