If you look at actual history, though, you can use this game mechanic to explain why certain real-world civilizations were also technologically primitive without resorting to un-PC speculation about inherent cultural/intellectual inferiority. For example, both New World Indians (no wheel, no metallurgy) and sub-Saharan Africans (no writing) were technologically backwards b/c they were isolated from the technology swapping that was going on between the various Eurasian civilizations.
Actually, I found in the first edition anyway, that it was better to be on an island by yourself, and that explained the massive success of the brits and the japanese. Not a lot of outside trading, sure, but definitely a lot of fighting. There's nothing like war to bring technological progress to a halt in the early days. Later on, you're either well on your way to winning or you're fighting a war with a very strong technological element, ala hurrying up and building the Manhattan Project so you can nuke a couple of cities and take them with Settlers.
Yeah, but that didn't hold a candle to the original CW on the Apple ][, for me anyway, probably because by the time Wolf 3D came out, I already understood the way video games all work. Wolfenstein on the Apple// was sufficiently different than other games - being held up at gunpoint or being able to hold them up at gunpoint, having to find a uniform, a bulletproof vest, etc. When the SS got on your trail (after having shot some poor sod) you were in for some scary moments. It was the only game that really made me jump, other than Marathon years later.
The only other games that mattered to me were Ultima II, IV, V.
Man, I was going to post exactly what you posted, seriously!
The original Castle Wolfenstein is one of the most intense games ever. I've got a c64 emulator and a disk image just so I can play it now. It's even better in my loudspeakers. I used to have nightmares about being chased by guys in blue uniforms, searching and shooting chests, hoping it had grenades, and hoping EVEN MORE that I didn't blow them up! I remember tossing grenades at SS and missing, but having two more and deciding to put some distance between me and the guard, so tossing one at the wall (only if you're going up or down, otherwise you need two and too much time) and running through it, ducking behind a wall so I don't get shot. Intense stuff, dude. Nothing else has come close.
Ultima IV rocked! I had a spiral notebook, and everytime I got a clue from someone I wrote it in the notebook. After awhile I started organizing all the comments until the puzzles started to make sense. Actually, my brother and I did this one together. I never actually beat it. Our party was tough enough to get to the bottom of the Abyss, but only with a certain amount of luck. We made it all the way to the LAST room of the 8th level of the abyss, and then got killed. Our lives then took off in different directions, and I never did get back and finish the damn game. But I"ll tell you, talk about role-playing. Losing parts of my avatarhood was scary, considering what it takes to get them in the first place. I remember lying one time to a guard or something, and losing my Honour, and then I couldn't use magic anymore or somesuch because my main PC was a palladin (best class for that game, for sure). A lot or morality in that game, a lot of it. good stuff. I liked the game so much I tried to be an avatar in real life, with all the virtue of an avatar. That has had a permanent effect on me, actually. I'm not so virtuous anymore, but I still struggle after the basic integrity and goodness the game preaches.
Just goes to show that the power of the people will always show through, some how.
I don't think DDoS is what was intended when we were all asked to show SCO the bird.
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I am anti-linux and pro-BSD for no other reason than the fact that I can't stand the brutal attitude shown by a majority of linux users.
That happens when any movement gets big enough. If BSD got as big as linux, guaranteed you'd see this same bullshit happening with BSD people. Was Linux always like this? Not that I know of.
Note: I'm not apologizing. I can't stand the herd any more than you can, but you can preach free software and install Linux or BSD or whatever when someone asks to see it. The base is "free software", and everything else is there to fulfill that base.
Let me guess: you don't care and I can go fuck myself. Doesn't break my heart -- I like to be proven right.
Let BSD get this big, and it will break your heart. You want something to be big? Have to accept the herd at some point.
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Example: someone writes a "Hello World" program in C, which somehow enters the public domain. The FSF picks it up, and adds "--help" "--version" and similar rubbish, recopyrights it and places the derived work under the GPL. Obviously, any bloke who wants to work with GNU Hello has to abide by the rules of the GPL. But hackers using other versions of "Hello World" are not neccesarily bound by FSF's rules.
Um, actually, the GPL does NOT mean that the original work gets copyrighted by the author of the derivative. The original author still owns copyright on his code, and the author of the derivative only owns copyright on the code that he added. For this reason, GNU doesn't accept code unless the author assigns copyright to GNU. However, the GPL doesn't force this upon you.
This is why WINE had that big fight and subsequent fork. Some of the authors didn't like the new license they went with, and left. So they were able to continue using the code that existed immediately before the license change, but one branch can't accept changes from the other, while the other one can accept changes from it. I don't remember which is which, and last I looked it seemed as if the fork was dying off, but I don't know.
You know, usually when I read something in English I hear it in my head with a normal accent but when I read that I actually heard it with a French accent...
Everything I read that was written by a Frenchie sounds in my head like Pepe le Peu. My brain also automatically appends "We zurrenderrrr" to each sentence.
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This took WAY TOO LONG. For the non-hacker, how can you help?
If you want to help out in a DDOS attack, but you don't have the skills to engineer such a thing, then you should consider using these products.
Anyone here feel sorry they where treated unprofessionally? I don't know, I learned as a child to do unto others as I would like others to do unto me.
Conversely, anyone here feel like they're BEING TREATED unprofessionally? The article makes it look like SCO has jumped to the conclusion that it's Linux fans doing the attack. If that is true, then SCO is acting unprofessionally themselves. How many fingers are they pointing at us?
Well, I for one am not pointing any fingers *at* them. I'm just showing them one finger, pointed up. (any ASCII art that somebody has to go with this would be greatly appreciated:) )
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NOT. If you piss off alot of technically knowledgeable people you're gonna get screwed.
Yeah, just look at Saddam Hussein....
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Gotta love the way the article puts this whole slant that it must be Linux fans doing it. The SCO guy just coming out and saying it's unprofessional for us linux boys to do this sort of thing, that just reeks dude. Reeks. Leeks. mmmm, hungry.
I know it's a shock to geeks, but a commodore 64 can drive a 1200 baud serial printer just as well as a dual Xeon 2.4 with a jigawig of RAM.
Um, the only problem is that the C64 doesn't have a print spooler, and you'd have to write one. Not a big deal, I could probly whip one out in BASIC quick enough, but you'd only have 56K-print spooler in which to store shit for printing. It's not nearly so important whether it can drive the printer, it's more important whether it can queue the jobs.:)
Not trying to be too anal, but with the C64 Commodore Business Machines dropped the "Business Machines" and sold a gaming platform. Smartest thing they ever did until they let that jackass run off with all the money and the company had to fold. Otherwise, we might be talking about the Amiga monopoly and how bud-ridden that girl is...
Two or three dual-CPU Sun Fire servers, for example, can push enough throughput for most applications I can imagine for any but the largest businesses. How many Googles and NYSEs are there in the grand scheme of things?
Um, last time I checked, Google was running their supercomputer on commodity Intel 32-bit hardware with Linux as the OS. No idea what their database is, though. I imagine it's OSS, but they could've switched it out to Oracle or something after they started making money. I think I read recently that they were starting to look at Itanium, but were going to wait for AMDs 64-bit processor before making a decision. (Do YOU want to recompile 60,000 databases for Itanium?)
How often do you need to resize gifs? And what you are saying this should be done on the command line somehow?
Every time I dump my digital camera's contents onto my hard drive. A simple shell script will suffice. Of course, we're talking jpg not gif. LIke it matters.
Regarding text seraches, it's useless to have such power if it's not easily available each time you need it. I need to man find evey time I want to do this.
Ever use alias? Ever write a simple shell script to handle it? Worse yet, Ummmm, KDE has such features, iirc. I haven't had to text search shit, though, so I can't say for certain.
No, you're WAY better off leaving, no matter how much you might like to stay and fight. Because you're basically guaranteed to lose if you stay.
Actually, if you leave, you've lost. If you stay, you have a chance to win.
You're also totally oversimplifying the art of revolution. It's still possible, it's just a matter of planning and design and so forth. Mind you, the US military was beat back by armed civilians in Vietnam. The fact that they were supported by the Soviet Union somehow is relevant, a revolution might need to seek industrialized backing. OTOH, Americans build the weapons the military uses. Americans in revolution will need them too. Therefore, Americans can build them, as needed.
Granted, an armed revolution is a lot more complicated these days, but summarily dismissing it as impossible and therefore not even trying is pure cowardice. Stand and fight for what you believe in, man. It's the only fight worth fighting. Furthermore, if you've nothing worth dying for, you've nothing worth living for.
That was added, dude. In the original, Greedo shot while he was falling. That bastard made Greedo shoot first when he made the "special edition". In fact, except for the fact that Cloud City is a beautiful place, the whole special edition franchise should just go to hell. I saw the Jabba scene in Ep. 4 years before the special edition came out, and Lucas said straight up "We left it out because it made the movie unnecessarily longer, and didn't contribute significantly to the plot". Then they go and computer-edit in Jabba the Slug and stick the stupid scene back in? Lucas comes out and says "Oh yeah, yeah, we always meant to do that when the technology was available, we shot that with a human stand-in, intending to go back over it with computer animation when the stuff became realistic."
Idiot. Lucas is an idiot. If he can find a way to bring Han Solo back into the movie, then he might stand a small chance of making a movie that's better than ATOC.
Am I the only person over the age of 14 that *LIKED* Jar-Jar? Uhmm, yeah! Come on guys, what else has Starwars to offer than some special effects and computer generated characters?
I think Marty McFly can answer that question for you. "Nothing!"
Remember Chewbacca and the 3D chess scene... Perfect way to explain how Chewbacca got his reputation as a "bad sport" when lossing.
Um, actually, wookies are peaceful, fun-loving sentients. They're not violent at all, except when provoked. Chewie doesn't have a blood-thirsty reputation, Han Solo was fuckin' with the droids. Corellians have been known to do that.
It's not that hard. He was much better in the books than he ever was in the movies, really. Han Solo got boring as hell in the books (except in the Han Solo Trilogy, check it out! It's really *really* good), but Lando really came out.
I'm willing to concede, however, that Lando Calrissian can probably kick the ass out of the Jedi Luke Skywalker, though. I would've preferred to have seen a lot more byplay between Lando and Han, they really were old friends, after all.:)
If Bush was a "fascist," then you wouldn't have just posted that comment and would be jailed or killed. You still have the right to say that Bush is a fascist or whatever, don't get me wrong. But don't go throwing around terms that don't apply in the situation.
Um, how long does it take a man in a democratic republic to establish himself as a fascist dictator? I'd have to say that Bush is doing an excellent job railroading this one in. It's only been 3 years and he's already setup most of the infrastructure he needs.
I get sick of these "If *insert hated politician here* was a *insert hated label here*, then you would already be screwed." Shit takes time. How much time are you willing to give?
Small arms are no longer effective in preventing opression. Time to open up that chemistry or biology book and hope it's more effective then 45 cal bullets at stopping those tanks from rolling into your town.
Is the Anarchist's Cookbook still available? Or has it finally been swept away by the government? If it's still available, I recommend stockpiling it and other books like it. Useful information in there...
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If you look at actual history, though, you can use this game mechanic to explain why certain real-world civilizations were also technologically primitive without resorting to un-PC speculation about inherent cultural/intellectual inferiority. For example, both New World Indians (no wheel, no metallurgy) and sub-Saharan Africans (no writing) were technologically backwards b/c they were isolated from the technology swapping that was going on between the various Eurasian civilizations.
Actually, I found in the first edition anyway, that it was better to be on an island by yourself, and that explained the massive success of the brits and the japanese. Not a lot of outside trading, sure, but definitely a lot of fighting. There's nothing like war to bring technological progress to a halt in the early days. Later on, you're either well on your way to winning or you're fighting a war with a very strong technological element, ala hurrying up and building the Manhattan Project so you can nuke a couple of cities and take them with Settlers.
Yeah, but that didn't hold a candle to the original CW on the Apple ][, for me anyway, probably because by the time Wolf 3D came out, I already understood the way video games all work. Wolfenstein on the Apple // was sufficiently different than other games - being held up at gunpoint or being able to hold them up at gunpoint, having to find a uniform, a bulletproof vest, etc. When the SS got on your trail (after having shot some poor sod) you were in for some scary moments. It was the only game that really made me jump, other than Marathon years later.
The only other games that mattered to me were Ultima II, IV, V.
Man, I was going to post exactly what you posted, seriously!
The original Castle Wolfenstein is one of the most intense games ever. I've got a c64 emulator and a disk image just so I can play it now. It's even better in my loudspeakers. I used to have nightmares about being chased by guys in blue uniforms, searching and shooting chests, hoping it had grenades, and hoping EVEN MORE that I didn't blow them up! I remember tossing grenades at SS and missing, but having two more and deciding to put some distance between me and the guard, so tossing one at the wall (only if you're going up or down, otherwise you need two and too much time) and running through it, ducking behind a wall so I don't get shot. Intense stuff, dude. Nothing else has come close.
Ultima IV rocked! I had a spiral notebook, and everytime I got a clue from someone I wrote it in the notebook. After awhile I started organizing all the comments until the puzzles started to make sense. Actually, my brother and I did this one together. I never actually beat it. Our party was tough enough to get to the bottom of the Abyss, but only with a certain amount of luck. We made it all the way to the LAST room of the 8th level of the abyss, and then got killed. Our lives then took off in different directions, and I never did get back and finish the damn game. But I"ll tell you, talk about role-playing. Losing parts of my avatarhood was scary, considering what it takes to get them in the first place. I remember lying one time to a guard or something, and losing my Honour, and then I couldn't use magic anymore or somesuch because my main PC was a palladin (best class for that game, for sure). A lot or morality in that game, a lot of it. good stuff. I liked the game so much I tried to be an avatar in real life, with all the virtue of an avatar. That has had a permanent effect on me, actually. I'm not so virtuous anymore, but I still struggle after the basic integrity and goodness the game preaches.
If they still made games like these.....
Oddly enough, one of the astronauts is missing both legs and one arm, and the other two are slightly overweight.
So Linus was right about the angry penguins.
Just goes to show that the power of the people will always show through, some how.
I don't think DDoS is what was intended when we were all asked to show SCO the bird.
I am anti-linux and pro-BSD for no other reason than the fact that I can't stand the brutal attitude shown by a majority of linux users.
That happens when any movement gets big enough. If BSD got as big as linux, guaranteed you'd see this same bullshit happening with BSD people. Was Linux always like this? Not that I know of.
Note: I'm not apologizing. I can't stand the herd any more than you can, but you can preach free software and install Linux or BSD or whatever when someone asks to see it. The base is "free software", and everything else is there to fulfill that base.
Let me guess: you don't care and I can go fuck myself. Doesn't break my heart -- I like to be proven right.
Let BSD get this big, and it will break your heart. You want something to be big? Have to accept the herd at some point.
Example: someone writes a "Hello World" program in C, which somehow enters the public domain. The FSF picks it up, and adds "--help" "--version" and similar rubbish, recopyrights it and places the derived work under the GPL. Obviously, any bloke who wants to work with GNU Hello has to abide by the rules of the GPL. But hackers using other versions of "Hello World" are not neccesarily bound by FSF's rules.
Um, actually, the GPL does NOT mean that the original work gets copyrighted by the author of the derivative. The original author still owns copyright on his code, and the author of the derivative only owns copyright on the code that he added. For this reason, GNU doesn't accept code unless the author assigns copyright to GNU. However, the GPL doesn't force this upon you.
This is why WINE had that big fight and subsequent fork. Some of the authors didn't like the new license they went with, and left. So they were able to continue using the code that existed immediately before the license change, but one branch can't accept changes from the other, while the other one can accept changes from it. I don't remember which is which, and last I looked it seemed as if the fork was dying off, but I don't know.
You know, usually when I read something in English I hear it in my head with a normal accent but when I read that I actually heard it with a French accent...
Everything I read that was written by a Frenchie sounds in my head like Pepe le Peu. My brain also automatically appends "We zurrenderrrr" to each sentence.
This took WAY TOO LONG. For the non-hacker, how can you help?
If you want to help out in a DDOS attack, but you don't have the skills to engineer such a thing, then you should consider using these products.
Anyone here feel sorry they where treated unprofessionally? I don't know, I learned as a child to do unto others as I would like others to do unto me.
Conversely, anyone here feel like they're BEING TREATED unprofessionally? The article makes it look like SCO has jumped to the conclusion that it's Linux fans doing the attack. If that is true, then SCO is acting unprofessionally themselves. How many fingers are they pointing at us?
Well, I for one am not pointing any fingers *at* them. I'm just showing them one finger, pointed up. (any ASCII art that somebody has to go with this would be greatly appreciated :) )
NOT. If you piss off alot of technically knowledgeable people you're gonna get screwed.
Yeah, just look at Saddam Hussein....
Gotta love the way the article puts this whole slant that it must be Linux fans doing it. The SCO guy just coming out and saying it's unprofessional for us linux boys to do this sort of thing, that just reeks dude. Reeks. Leeks. mmmm, hungry.
As long as you keep up with regular maintence and run the same programs, there is really no need to upgrade.
Yeah, I just changed the oil on my old Atari 2600 and fired up pac-man. Talk about the worst massacre of an already shitty game....
I know it's a shock to geeks, but a commodore 64 can drive a 1200 baud serial printer just as well as a dual Xeon 2.4 with a jigawig of RAM.
Um, the only problem is that the C64 doesn't have a print spooler, and you'd have to write one. Not a big deal, I could probly whip one out in BASIC quick enough, but you'd only have 56K-print spooler in which to store shit for printing. It's not nearly so important whether it can drive the printer, it's more important whether it can queue the jobs. :)
Not trying to be too anal, but with the C64 Commodore Business Machines dropped the "Business Machines" and sold a gaming platform. Smartest thing they ever did until they let that jackass run off with all the money and the company had to fold. Otherwise, we might be talking about the Amiga monopoly and how bud-ridden that girl is...
I really just wish that Mozilla would implement a "block flash crap from this server" option along with the "block images from this server".
Umm, it's already implemented and activated by default. Or did you manage to install a Mozilla distribution that included the flash plugin?
Two or three dual-CPU Sun Fire servers, for example, can push enough throughput for most applications I can imagine for any but the largest businesses. How many Googles and NYSEs are there in the grand scheme of things?
Um, last time I checked, Google was running their supercomputer on commodity Intel 32-bit hardware with Linux as the OS. No idea what their database is, though. I imagine it's OSS, but they could've switched it out to Oracle or something after they started making money. I think I read recently that they were starting to look at Itanium, but were going to wait for AMDs 64-bit processor before making a decision. (Do YOU want to recompile 60,000 databases for Itanium?)
Put the cat in a plastic bag.
Toss 'em in the dryer and let the lint filter pick up the hair.
How often do you need to resize gifs? And what you are saying this should be done on the command line somehow?
Every time I dump my digital camera's contents onto my hard drive. A simple shell script will suffice. Of course, we're talking jpg not gif. LIke it matters.
Regarding text seraches, it's useless to have such power if it's not easily available each time you need it. I need to man find evey time I want to do this.
Ever use alias? Ever write a simple shell script to handle it? Worse yet, Ummmm, KDE has such features, iirc. I haven't had to text search shit, though, so I can't say for certain.
No, you're WAY better off leaving, no matter how much you might like to stay and fight. Because you're basically guaranteed to lose if you stay.
Actually, if you leave, you've lost. If you stay, you have a chance to win.
You're also totally oversimplifying the art of revolution. It's still possible, it's just a matter of planning and design and so forth. Mind you, the US military was beat back by armed civilians in Vietnam. The fact that they were supported by the Soviet Union somehow is relevant, a revolution might need to seek industrialized backing. OTOH, Americans build the weapons the military uses. Americans in revolution will need them too. Therefore, Americans can build them, as needed.
Granted, an armed revolution is a lot more complicated these days, but summarily dismissing it as impossible and therefore not even trying is pure cowardice. Stand and fight for what you believe in, man. It's the only fight worth fighting. Furthermore, if you've nothing worth dying for, you've nothing worth living for.
Han Solo is a wussie (i.e., Greedo shot first)
That was added, dude. In the original, Greedo shot while he was falling. That bastard made Greedo shoot first when he made the "special edition". In fact, except for the fact that Cloud City is a beautiful place, the whole special edition franchise should just go to hell. I saw the Jabba scene in Ep. 4 years before the special edition came out, and Lucas said straight up "We left it out because it made the movie unnecessarily longer, and didn't contribute significantly to the plot". Then they go and computer-edit in Jabba the Slug and stick the stupid scene back in? Lucas comes out and says "Oh yeah, yeah, we always meant to do that when the technology was available, we shot that with a human stand-in, intending to go back over it with computer animation when the stuff became realistic."
Idiot. Lucas is an idiot. If he can find a way to bring Han Solo back into the movie, then he might stand a small chance of making a movie that's better than ATOC.
Am I the only person over the age of 14 that *LIKED* Jar-Jar? Uhmm, yeah! Come on guys, what else has Starwars to offer than some special effects and computer generated characters?
I think Marty McFly can answer that question for you. "Nothing!"
Remember Chewbacca and the 3D chess scene... Perfect way to explain how Chewbacca got his reputation as a "bad sport" when lossing.
Um, actually, wookies are peaceful, fun-loving sentients. They're not violent at all, except when provoked. Chewie doesn't have a blood-thirsty reputation, Han Solo was fuckin' with the droids. Corellians have been known to do that.
BILLY DEE WILLIAMS.
How dare you disrespect him?
It's not that hard. He was much better in the books than he ever was in the movies, really. Han Solo got boring as hell in the books (except in the Han Solo Trilogy, check it out! It's really *really* good), but Lando really came out.
I'm willing to concede, however, that Lando Calrissian can probably kick the ass out of the Jedi Luke Skywalker, though. I would've preferred to have seen a lot more byplay between Lando and Han, they really were old friends, after all. :)
If there's no regime change in November 2004, I'm going to put my plans in action for leaving the country.
Not me, I love my country, and I'm gonna stay here and take it back. You can run away if you want, but I'm gonna stay here and fight.
If Bush was a "fascist," then you wouldn't have just posted that comment and would be jailed or killed. You still have the right to say that Bush is a fascist or whatever, don't get me wrong. But don't go throwing around terms that don't apply in the situation.
Um, how long does it take a man in a democratic republic to establish himself as a fascist dictator? I'd have to say that Bush is doing an excellent job railroading this one in. It's only been 3 years and he's already setup most of the infrastructure he needs.
I get sick of these "If *insert hated politician here* was a *insert hated label here*, then you would already be screwed." Shit takes time. How much time are you willing to give?
Small arms are no longer effective in preventing opression. Time to open up that chemistry or biology book and hope it's more effective then 45 cal bullets at stopping those tanks from rolling into your town.
Is the Anarchist's Cookbook still available? Or has it finally been swept away by the government? If it's still available, I recommend stockpiling it and other books like it. Useful information in there...