Right, foam has hit the wing before, the wings have been breached before. It was mentioned several times after the Columbia disaster. I remember listening to an 'expert' on NPR (Can't remember his name) saying the previous occurances happened without insident, and was why NASA wasn't pursuing the foam theory. Pursue the more likely scenarios first.
The Associated Press is pushing this news as if it was a big revelation, but there doesn't seem to be anything new in this report.
Am I missing something?
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since the flu kills about a thousand times more people in a year than this stupid SARS virus did.
True, but it's the death rate you should be concerned with, not how many people died. The flu kills a thousands more people in a year then SARS because hundreds of millions of people (Billions?) get the flu in a year.
The death rate for people infected with SARS is much , much higher then the death rate for people infected with the flue.
If someone likes a particular program, and they know it well enough not to cause a load on your help desk, is there a real reason not to let them use it?
Most admins probably don't mind these people, especially if they don't bug the help desk.
But 'standardization' isn't usually meant for these people, it's meant to provide common products with decent support for the non-technical people, the one's who forget their email password, don't know what IMAP is, and can't configure their email client.
I guess you haven't watched NASA for the past 30 years.
NASA has progressed much further then any wealthy millionaire. NASA has been to space a zillion times in the last 30 years. When was the last time a wealthy millionaires made it into orbit without the help of a big government?
Yes, wealthy millionaires are progressing, but right now they are far, far behind any of the major space agencies. The Xprize only requires their contestants to reach low orbit below the height needed for satallites, so don't expect most of these guys will be launching satalites in 2004.
There are other more successful examples (like Sealaunch, who's launched a couple of satellites).
Have they become dissatisfied with their corporate parent?
Oh come on, those answers are so boring. I want to know: Did they leave to found a private space exploration company? Are they going to colonize mars? Are they going to run a daytime cooking show on PBS?
Why did you start installing Debian if you already had a working system? Despite the fact that Debian is the best Linux distribution, of course;-)
It's a learning computer.
I just wanted to compare RH and Debian, on two systems side by side. I've used Debian in the past, been using RH for a few years, and want to see what Debian has to offer now.
IMHO you should know at least the devices you have in it.
Yeah, but my hope was to do this in a few hours, without making a mess in the office. I just cleaned up this room yesterday...
A little more arrogance please, I'm not sure you scared off the newbies yet. I hope you don't complain about how Debian isn't more widely used in the personal and business markets.
You must be a genius, and never had to LEARN Debian. You were compiling the kernel while still in your mothers womb.
If you don't know what module you need, you might actually have to get familiar with configuring the kernel, or you might even need to compile your own kernel (I can tell you're trembling in fear already).
Hey dipshit, I'm only in the install program. That means that the OS HASN'T BEEN INSTALLED YET, so Kernel compilation isn't an option at this step. Sure, I could install the os, then figure out the NIC configuration and then compile the kernel, but it's not the type of thing I like to do on a Sunday morning. I'd rather work in the garden or go for a bike ride.
Look, I'm not saying that Debian should be easy to install. Someone higher in this thread said that Debian was easy to install, and I'm disputing that opinion.
a) That is an (old) prejudice, the Debian install is pretty easy by now (including the tasklist --- if you want X, then click "X-Windows".
Debian is a superior distro in many, many ways. I can't argue with your points b) and c), but a) is wrong. Debian is a pain in the ass to install.
I have an old AMD K2 box here. It's a practice box that I got from a friend. I opened it once. It's now tucked under my desk under a pile of other stuff.
I installed RedHat on it a few weeks ago. RedHat autodetected almost everything: The network card, video card, hard drives. Not perfect, but it was actually easier to install then Win2k. It took 2 hours total, and I was away from the computer for 80% of the time.
I'm installing Debian on it today. I'm on try #3, and have spent 3 hours flipping back to my primary computer and reading documentation. I'm still on CD #1.
Debian can't automatically find the drivers for network card, will only give me the option to reformat hdb and not hda (I booted to an emergency disk and used fdisk to destroy the partions on hda. Now debian sees hdb. Go figure.),
My fear is that I will have to drag the computer out from under the desk, open it up, write down make and model numbers. I just wanted a 1 hour project to do while eating breakfast... I have a million things to do today, and don't feel like spending my Sunday morning choking on dust, scraping my hand on the case and searching for obscure installation hints on the internet with my primary computer.
Well right now they're passing on the costs to the taxpayers, regardless if we cause the waste or not. It's taxpayers subsidizing overconsumption, since most garbage dumps are partially tax subsidized (with some user fees).
I would much rather have the consumer pay for the disposal of the product. People who buy lots of stuff they don't need pay their fair share, people who live frugally can save money.
I don't get it. The way you're talking isn't in a standard joking format at all. Maybe you Canadians have a different sense of humor?
Yeah really.
In the States, all of our humor formats have been standardized by the Department of Homeland Security. Currently, I'm 80% done with my ISO9666 humor certification. When I'm done, everyone will be able to understand and interface with my humor.
Just look at how Coke reverted to their original formula when they tried to pull that "New Coke" bullshit on us. And the Star Tours ride at Disneyland would be dead if it wasn't for political activists. And all those Buffy campaigns to influence the plot of the show.
Thunderbird is not yet a good replacement for Mozilla mail. Thunderbird is in the Alpha stage. Mozilla mail has been stable for a long time.
From their page:
We currently are not releasing regular nightly builds. We do provide alpha builds of the current Thunderbird mail client for you to try out. Or you can build it yourself if you are familiar and comfortable with building the mozilla source.
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I think it's called '9/11' because most labels don't address the scope of the disaster.
WTC
Calling it "WTC" ignores the crash at the Pentagon as well as Flight 93.
or 2001 hijackings
Again, this misses the scope of the disaster. It was more then some hijackings. Suicide Bombings? Attacks? Disaster?
We say "D-Day", we say 4th of July to refer to other signifigant events. "September 11th" make sense in a similar way.
It let us get to the role playing without having to be lawyer/accountants.
Not only that, but with GURPS you could BE a lawyer/accountant!
Accountant: "I summon the Holy Audit Avenger, and command it to smite the Enron Dragon"
Lawyer: "Bah! You don't have a chance against my Vorpal Blade of Shredding +5!"
'expert'
To clarify: I don't remember if he worked for NASA or what. My point is that this sort of news has been mentioned before.
Right, foam has hit the wing before, the wings have been breached before. It was mentioned several times after the Columbia disaster. I remember listening to an 'expert' on NPR (Can't remember his name) saying the previous occurances happened without insident, and was why NASA wasn't pursuing the foam theory. Pursue the more likely scenarios first.
The Associated Press is pushing this news as if it was a big revelation, but there doesn't seem to be anything new in this report.
Am I missing something?
since the flu kills about a thousand times more people in a year than this stupid SARS virus did.
True, but it's the death rate you should be concerned with, not how many people died. The flu kills a thousands more people in a year then SARS because hundreds of millions of people (Billions?) get the flu in a year.
The death rate for people infected with SARS is much , much higher then the death rate for people infected with the flue.
Yes, but if I said "states and territory" it would screw up the timing.
Thanks for stating the obvious.
If someone likes a particular program, and they know it well enough not to cause a load on your help desk, is there a real reason not to let them use it?
Most admins probably don't mind these people, especially if they don't bug the help desk.
But 'standardization' isn't usually meant for these people, it's meant to provide common products with decent support for the non-technical people, the one's who forget their email password, don't know what IMAP is, and can't configure their email client.
Vermont, Arizona, Tennessee and Puerto Rico
CmdrTaco was threatened by the T-shirt mafia in those states...
so a few million would be hackers can go ahead and deface a couple of hundred websites apiece.
Hopefully this article will also be read by a few million would be admins, who will then patch their servers in preparation for the day.
Many Europeans pay VAT on things like Soda, clothing, cars, etc.
Why should MMORPGs be exempt?
If you want to get rid of the VAT, that's one thing, but why should MMORPGs be favored over non-MMORPGs?
You don't get to be a millionaire by pissing away your time in meetings and buying $16000 toilet seats.
No, you get to be a millionaire by SELLING the $16000 toilet seats.
I guess you haven't watched NASA for the past 30 years.
NASA has progressed much further then any wealthy millionaire. NASA has been to space a zillion times in the last 30 years. When was the last time a wealthy millionaires made it into orbit without the help of a big government?
Yes, wealthy millionaires are progressing, but right now they are far, far behind any of the major space agencies. The Xprize only requires their contestants to reach low orbit below the height needed for satallites, so don't expect most of these guys will be launching satalites in 2004.
There are other more successful examples (like Sealaunch, who's launched a couple of satellites).
Have they become dissatisfied with their corporate parent?
Oh come on, those answers are so boring. I want to know: Did they leave to found a private space exploration company? Are they going to colonize mars? Are they going to run a daytime cooking show on PBS?
Now debian sees hdb. Go figure.
Damn, that should say "hda" not "hdb".
If there are no partitions on hda, then there is nothing to format.
But there was a drive present. Debian as emergency disk could see them, RedHat could see them, Knoppix could see them.
There were partitions on hda, and I wanted change the partition scheme.
Why did you start installing Debian if you already had a working system? Despite the fact that Debian is the best Linux distribution, of course ;-)
It's a learning computer.
I just wanted to compare RH and Debian, on two systems side by side. I've used Debian in the past, been using RH for a few years, and want to see what Debian has to offer now.
IMHO you should know at least the devices you have in it.
Yeah, but my hope was to do this in a few hours, without making a mess in the office. I just cleaned up this room yesterday...
A little more arrogance please, I'm not sure you scared off the newbies yet. I hope you don't complain about how Debian isn't more widely used in the personal and business markets.
You must be a genius, and never had to LEARN Debian. You were compiling the kernel while still in your mothers womb.
If you don't know what module you need, you might actually have to get familiar with configuring the kernel, or you might even need to compile your own kernel (I can tell you're trembling in fear already).
Hey dipshit, I'm only in the install program. That means that the OS HASN'T BEEN INSTALLED YET, so Kernel compilation isn't an option at this step. Sure, I could install the os, then figure out the NIC configuration and then compile the kernel, but it's not the type of thing I like to do on a Sunday morning. I'd rather work in the garden or go for a bike ride.
Look, I'm not saying that Debian should be easy to install. Someone higher in this thread said that Debian was easy to install, and I'm disputing that opinion.
The average user can't install it.
a) That is an (old) prejudice, the Debian install is pretty easy by now (including the tasklist --- if you want X, then click "X-Windows".
Debian is a superior distro in many, many ways. I can't argue with your points b) and c), but a) is wrong. Debian is a pain in the ass to install.
I have an old AMD K2 box here. It's a practice box that I got from a friend. I opened it once. It's now tucked under my desk under a pile of other stuff.
I installed RedHat on it a few weeks ago. RedHat autodetected almost everything: The network card, video card, hard drives. Not perfect, but it was actually easier to install then Win2k. It took 2 hours total, and I was away from the computer for 80% of the time.
I'm installing Debian on it today. I'm on try #3, and have spent 3 hours flipping back to my primary computer and reading documentation. I'm still on CD #1.
Debian can't automatically find the drivers for network card, will only give me the option to reformat hdb and not hda (I booted to an emergency disk and used fdisk to destroy the partions on hda. Now debian sees hdb. Go figure.),
My fear is that I will have to drag the computer out from under the desk, open it up, write down make and model numbers. I just wanted a 1 hour project to do while eating breakfast... I have a million things to do today, and don't feel like spending my Sunday morning choking on dust, scraping my hand on the case and searching for obscure installation hints on the internet with my primary computer.
They'd pass the costs on to the end-consumers,
Well right now they're passing on the costs to the taxpayers, regardless if we cause the waste or not. It's taxpayers subsidizing overconsumption, since most garbage dumps are partially tax subsidized (with some user fees).
I would much rather have the consumer pay for the disposal of the product. People who buy lots of stuff they don't need pay their fair share, people who live frugally can save money.
Yeah, or Polish people.
:)
Hey in that case, I think I qualify
I don't get it. The way you're talking isn't in a standard joking format at all. Maybe you Canadians have a different sense of humor?
Yeah really.
In the States, all of our humor formats have been standardized by the Department of Homeland Security. Currently, I'm 80% done with my ISO9666 humor certification. When I'm done, everyone will be able to understand and interface with my humor.
Well what do you expect? You ever try to cut-n-paste on a screen that is only 0.75 x 0.5 inches? :)
Bah, you wanna see American democracy?
Just look at how Coke reverted to their original formula when they tried to pull that "New Coke" bullshit on us. And the Star Tours ride at Disneyland would be dead if it wasn't for political activists. And all those Buffy campaigns to influence the plot of the show.
Who says democracy is dead?!
Then what about Thunderbird?
What about it?
Thunderbird is not yet a good replacement for Mozilla mail. Thunderbird is in the Alpha stage. Mozilla mail has been stable for a long time.
From their page:
We currently are not releasing regular nightly builds. We do provide alpha builds of the current Thunderbird mail client for you to try out. Or you can build it yourself if you are familiar and comfortable with building the mozilla source.
The site seems to be fine, why not wait untill it *actualy* get's slashdotted?
./ effect.
Because:
a) Posting is proactive, and reduces the amount of traffic to the parent site, and could prevent the
b) If you wait until the site is slashdotted, you may not be able to reach the article.
c) If you post early, you're more likely to get modded to a 5 and more people will read it, thereby reducing a).
d) The AC was trying to be helpful, so quit complaining. Don't like it? Don't read it. It's not like the AC did anything wrong.
According to the FM article, the ISO is around 200MB. This leaves plenty of room for ROMS (I have around 600 roms[1] and they take up 80MB of space).
[1] They are all for educational use.