This:
What is the Philosophy of Full Disclosure, and why are we providing the tools and detailing the methods that allow this to be done?
Followed by this: Tools will not be released at this time, so please do not ask. However, if you are a bona-fide manufacturer of bluetooth devices that we have been otherwise unable to contact, please feel free to get in touch for more details on how you can identify your device status.
Seems to think that either they didnt check the article, or are not really wanting to do Full Disclosure. The cat's out of the bag, when would they release it, despite it being hardware that's vulnerable? If they really wanted to know what works and what doesnt, they'd release it to the rest of the world and let a wider base and accept the (minor) collateral damage that might ensue.
we'll show you ours
if you show us yours
Well, I truly doubt ALD would in any case given how they respond to this one. I'd consider mailing them on this one: adam@algroup.co.uk and ben@algroup.co.uk
If they didnt go for the full beheading, we'd still have the sleeve capability, and you'd be able to add that GPS via the dual pcmcia sleeve, while having room for another device.
Alternatively, I suppose you could simply learn the phrase "would you like fries with that order, sir?"
Well, I might remind you that once India, China, and beyond gets their work laws up to US standards, those jobs will be flying back. Once that happens, that's a one way ticket unless you get another donation of infrastructure from the US companies that still have the jobs that you still have yet to get.
The only phrase I will learn is "You've now just become the next American Parking Lot Country" as your country is declared a terrorist threat to American jobs and then flattened as much as possible. Good thing military jobs are kept out of your reach.
When silencing your critics, you're going to have the attitude that you are hiding something that isnt right. In this case, the shut-in of Sveasoft and the apparent reflexive backrubbing over at for sveasoft wont help your case. Even the admins are in it as well, by locking any opinion. If it gets to the point where you're being hacked, you've got quite a lot explaining to do about what you're really up to. Either way, Sveasoft's going to be suceeded by someone who provides the same features without the obvious violation.
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.
But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.
Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.
If you count the idea that if you do release it somehow (even under the sveasoft loophole) that sentence in bold applies. The "subscription releases" count as well as the public ones. Since there was no proof of identity, sveasoft and the people who think we're unjustified.
From james@sveasoft.com
I create firmware - nothing more nothing less. I leave folks like yourself to the Rikki Lake show.
If you really just made firmware you'd have only asked payment for the binaries. I dont see as much criticism for winex doing that kind of stuff, and they have gotten leaps and bounds further than wine has gotten itself. Sure, this is only firmware, but these developers dont go as if they sought the Almighty Dollar, the Holy Euro, or the Sacred Kronor.
Psychic athletes have been caught doping, literally with marijuana to attempt to cheat at the game "Mindball" by chemically altering themselves to feel more relaxed. Coincidentally, the accused athletes have all been unreachable for comment due to "overseas vacations".
Obviously, you probably think a Mac, SGI, or the ever popular for OpenGL pSeries is cheap as well, given the price bracket of the cards to run this beast, $300-400+. With the realistic low end at the 7500/Mobility FGL 7800(The only chip solely in a nonApoo or jobstealing laptop)- and the highend (read: always out of reach of mere mortals due to the oligopoly created by the buyouts) is around the x800.
But you arent forced to do X, buy X or involve yourself with X
Well, that doesnt justify your point anymore, since some of us dont have shitloads of money.
To allow anything lesser means a sacrifice in innovation
This one is probably from the gaming community that isnt old enough to remember when one had to actually made your equipment last for a long time (when a usable PC still cost $2000) by getting every inch of that hardware used before thinking of that new upgrade. I'd think innovation would be to step up to the plate and get all the performance/quality out of the lowend/midrange before those who just blindly buy whatever is topend for $500+ expecting that everyone has their resources at hand. I'm not exactly asking for one to go down to Virges or integrated, but asking for innovation to happen within the hardware that's in the low-midrange first (read: Radeon 7500-9600 non LE).
(No nvidia quotes were given due to buyout of 3dfx)
Sure it wasnt Embedded NT, since I've heard something that resembles it called BassPoiNT in the past that runs that OS on it. BTW, NCR has deep business related roots with IBM so you will get strange hardware at this level of money - that's why they're now a "solutions company". They still make PC's, but most of them arent PC-4/Decision Mate V weirdness anymore(the cards go on the inside these days if you arent doing laptops) for the ones us mere mortals can get somewhere close to new.
It sort of makes me wonder where all these anti- protectionist arguments are coming from, since I almost think they're coming from quite well funded or dystopic (view of the economy) sources that exclusively enjoy what "benefits" there might be to offshoring. So far, I've seen no real benefits to this, just a bunch of self-preserving elitists who defend anything that keeps them at the top. Besides, I've seen a drop in quality product in companies such as Dell and HP (where an ironic drop happened in quality when they started) to the point I'll never recommend or purchase from them. What real benefit is that if the product's cheaply made and support's hardly understandable? If there's supposed to be high quality from offshoring, I'm definitely not seeing it - since the people who are on the receiving end of offshoring dont get a real rise in quality of life, and the sending end gets only money for the anointed ones, who have yet to show how the offset people benefit from the "better economy" while being barraged endlessly by the (large and increasing amount of) people who were doublecrossed.
Yes, you can have it both ways - unlike mere goods and services, humans can speak for themselves when it comes to jobs, and that differs from the things being sold that cannot decide whether to be exported. Heck, I could care less where my computer came from, but when it comes down to something critical such as a job, I'll preserve it with whatever I have availible, and invest in companies that actually have the balls to go beyond the definition of a company and preserve jobs.
Well, that's what you get when you value youth over experience- halfassed solutions, shortsighted companies, and outsourcing beyond necessary. When you throw out your oldest for your "smartest", it's also age discrimination in some places, and no corporations, weaseling your way out wont help in bankruptcy after a large lawsuit for violating the law.
Well, that's why they have helicopters and radio, lest you decide to take that motorcycle or sports car in that part of the world- not just for those joyriders. If not that, they just have to find out when you drop from 320 and get you there/then.
However, if you were to have a critical message come in that could not be missed, this might be used by the Enron types to deny entry. Also, you might want to do a delivery straight to the user - saves on delivery time and puts the BOFH in his place. Blocking delivery might seem a good idea at first, but you're going to have tons of regulations to dodge before you reach the manager.
Ok, I was wrong(was calculating on pure scale), but still not a small blast. As for the hand grenades, the safe distance radius would certainly exceed the throwing distance of any human.
But you'd have a nice little blast zone of around 320.08m/528ft to stay out of if you decided to deploy it if it's 1:300 scale, with the presumption of a 30mi blast zone of a normal nuke. That's not even counting fallout of 1:300 scale of the world dispersion of the average nuke that you just crazily detonated. Sure, it's not the warhead you're talking about, but a true to scale nuke made for that model would not be something I'd want to have if I wanted to keep my "Terrorist Quotient" down.
Sure, that's the easy thing to say, but you cant just wave the wand of US capitalism and make things better. Face it, the US might be one of the better nations, but the capitalism it has doesnt exactly exude anything close to the free market that it's supposed to be. Heck, it's gotten to the point where it can be slavery under capitalism (obviously you dont know about Walmart, and their overtime manglement that approximated slavery for a while) for some people. That's when you do need to have government step in and do something to stop things like that for ISP's whom decide to fsck their customers in every possible orifice.
Face it or not, not everyone who is in the US has sold their soul and works that way. Some of us actually have ethics and morals, while making good money even though we could have more by throwing ethics out. Remember that when you're being thrown out of your company ala Enron/Worldcom since you decided to squeeze that last bit out and got caught by who you'd term as socialist thugs called American citizens.
lease it out to a large company, and actually make some money off it. At the end of the lease, I might actually have enough money to connect my own stuff to it, as well as to live off of.
Reminds me of what Sun does for their highend framebuffers(ZX, Elite3D M6), except that they just cut off the support knowing full well that they are "useless" afterwards.
Well, that just means that they did a good job of marketing, no more, no less. Just because they succeeded with you doesnt reflect on their status as good or evil in either direction- their status is reflected by what directions the actions as a whole (not just the marketing) take them.
That appears to be very doubtful, since Google is quite outnumbered by equally intelligent members of the public who do this kind of stuff for a living. Sure, they might get some of it, but this would almost be shooting themselves in their feet if they assumed this. They might be #1 in a lot of books, but they arent in mine. Their strength might be from the Stanford background of the company, but that could be used against them as the lack of transparency in their company policy could hurt them later on.
...IOS is as expensive as it is, not as so much as money, but more of it the idea of having to go as far as selling your soul to them to get it (read: contracts that have the threat of taking away the security of your network). Given the situation, I'm very glad this happened - since I'd not mind taking a good look at this myself.
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This:
What is the Philosophy of Full Disclosure, and why are we providing the tools and detailing the methods that allow this to be done?
Followed by this:
Tools will not be released at this time, so please do not ask. However, if you are a bona-fide manufacturer of bluetooth devices that we have been otherwise unable to contact, please feel free to get in touch for more details on how you can identify your device status.
Seems to think that either they didnt check the article, or are not really wanting to do Full Disclosure. The cat's out of the bag, when would they release it, despite it being hardware that's vulnerable? If they really wanted to know what works and what doesnt, they'd release it to the rest of the world and let a wider base and accept the (minor) collateral damage that might ensue.
we'll show you ours if you show us yours
Well, I truly doubt ALD would in any case given how they respond to this one.
I'd consider mailing them on this one: adam@algroup.co.uk and ben@algroup.co.uk
Sounds like he's a Stanfordite or some other misc. put-down-the-rest-of-the-world college.
If they didnt go for the full beheading, we'd still have the sleeve capability, and you'd be able to add that GPS via the dual pcmcia sleeve, while having room for another device.
Alternatively, I suppose you could simply learn the phrase "would you like fries with that order, sir?"
Well, I might remind you that once India, China, and beyond gets their work laws up to US standards, those jobs will be flying back. Once that happens, that's a one way ticket unless you get another donation of infrastructure from the US companies that still have the jobs that you still have yet to get.
The only phrase I will learn is "You've now just become the next American Parking Lot Country" as your country is declared a terrorist threat to American jobs and then flattened as much as possible. Good thing military jobs are kept out of your reach.
Just remove the space /. inserted for this URL
When silencing your critics, you're going to have the attitude that you are hiding something that isnt right. In this case, the shut-in of Sveasoft and the apparent reflexive backrubbing over at for sveasoft wont help your case. Even the admins are in it as well, by locking any opinion. If it gets to the point where you're being hacked, you've got quite a lot explaining to do about what you're really up to. Either way, Sveasoft's going to be suceeded by someone who provides the same features without the obvious violation.
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL. Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.
If you count the idea that if you do release it somehow (even under the sveasoft loophole) that sentence in bold applies. The "subscription releases" count as well as the public ones. Since there was no proof of identity, sveasoft and the people who think we're unjustified.
From james@sveasoft.com
I create firmware - nothing more nothing less. I leave folks like yourself to the Rikki Lake show.
If you really just made firmware you'd have only asked payment for the binaries. I dont see as much criticism for winex doing that kind of stuff, and they have gotten leaps and bounds further than wine has gotten itself. Sure, this is only firmware, but these developers dont go as if they sought the Almighty Dollar, the Holy Euro, or the Sacred Kronor.
Psychic athletes have been caught doping, literally with marijuana to attempt to cheat at the game "Mindball" by chemically altering themselves to feel more relaxed. Coincidentally, the accused athletes have all been unreachable for comment due to "overseas vacations".
When the Stanfordites figure obscurity != security, and they remove that feature is when Orkut should be taken seriously.
Obviously, you probably think a Mac, SGI, or the ever popular for OpenGL pSeries is cheap as well, given the price bracket of the cards to run this beast, $300-400+. With the realistic low end at the 7500/Mobility FGL 7800(The only chip solely in a non Apoo or jobstealing laptop)- and the highend (read: always out of reach of mere mortals due to the oligopoly created by the buyouts) is around the x800.
But you arent forced to do X, buy X or involve yourself with X
Well, that doesnt justify your point anymore, since some of us dont have shitloads of money.
To allow anything lesser means a sacrifice in innovation
This one is probably from the gaming community that isnt old enough to remember when one had to actually made your equipment last for a long time (when a usable PC still cost $2000) by getting every inch of that hardware used before thinking of that new upgrade. I'd think innovation would be to step up to the plate and get all the performance/quality out of the lowend/midrange before those who just blindly buy whatever is topend for $500+ expecting that everyone has their resources at hand. I'm not exactly asking for one to go down to Virges or integrated, but asking for innovation to happen within the hardware that's in the low-midrange first (read: Radeon 7500-9600 non LE).
(No nvidia quotes were given due to buyout of 3dfx)
Sure it wasnt Embedded NT, since I've heard something that resembles it called BassPoiNT in the past that runs that OS on it. BTW, NCR has deep business related roots with IBM so you will get strange hardware at this level of money - that's why they're now a "solutions company". They still make PC's, but most of them arent PC-4/Decision Mate V weirdness anymore(the cards go on the inside these days if you arent doing laptops) for the ones us mere mortals can get somewhere close to new.
And I wonder how many people took that as fragging him in real life, versus over the phone.
It sort of makes me wonder where all these anti- protectionist arguments are coming from, since I almost think they're coming from quite well funded or dystopic (view of the economy) sources that exclusively enjoy what "benefits" there might be to offshoring. So far, I've seen no real benefits to this, just a bunch of self-preserving elitists who defend anything that keeps them at the top. Besides, I've seen a drop in quality product in companies such as Dell and HP (where an ironic drop happened in quality when they started) to the point I'll never recommend or purchase from them. What real benefit is that if the product's cheaply made and support's hardly understandable? If there's supposed to be high quality from offshoring, I'm definitely not seeing it - since the people who are on the receiving end of offshoring dont get a real rise in quality of life, and the sending end gets only money for the anointed ones, who have yet to show how the offset people benefit from the "better economy" while being barraged endlessly by the (large and increasing amount of) people who were doublecrossed.
Yes, you can have it both ways - unlike mere goods and services, humans can speak for themselves when it comes to jobs, and that differs from the things being sold that cannot decide whether to be exported. Heck, I could care less where my computer came from, but when it comes down to something critical such as a job, I'll preserve it with whatever I have availible, and invest in companies that actually have the balls to go beyond the definition of a company and preserve jobs.
Well, that's what you get when you value youth over experience- halfassed solutions, shortsighted companies, and outsourcing beyond necessary. When you throw out your oldest for your "smartest", it's also age discrimination in some places, and no corporations, weaseling your way out wont help in bankruptcy after a large lawsuit for violating the law.
Well, that's why they have helicopters and radio, lest you decide to take that motorcycle or sports car in that part of the world- not just for those joyriders. If not that, they just have to find out when you drop from 320 and get you there/then.
However, if you were to have a critical message come in that could not be missed, this might be used by the Enron types to deny entry. Also, you might want to do a delivery straight to the user - saves on delivery time and puts the BOFH in his place. Blocking delivery might seem a good idea at first, but you're going to have tons of regulations to dodge before you reach the manager.
Ok, I was wrong(was calculating on pure scale), but still not a small blast. As for the hand grenades, the safe distance radius would certainly exceed the throwing distance of any human.
But you'd have a nice little blast zone of around 320.08m/528ft to stay out of if you decided to deploy it if it's 1:300 scale, with the presumption of a 30mi blast zone of a normal nuke. That's not even counting fallout of 1:300 scale of the world dispersion of the average nuke that you just crazily detonated. Sure, it's not the warhead you're talking about, but a true to scale nuke made for that model would not be something I'd want to have if I wanted to keep my "Terrorist Quotient" down.
Sure, that's the easy thing to say, but you cant just wave the wand of US capitalism and make things better. Face it, the US might be one of the better nations, but the capitalism it has doesnt exactly exude anything close to the free market that it's supposed to be. Heck, it's gotten to the point where it can be slavery under capitalism (obviously you dont know about Walmart, and their overtime manglement that approximated slavery for a while) for some people. That's when you do need to have government step in and do something to stop things like that for ISP's whom decide to fsck their customers in every possible orifice.
Face it or not, not everyone who is in the US has sold their soul and works that way. Some of us actually have ethics and morals, while making good money even though we could have more by throwing ethics out. Remember that when you're being thrown out of your company ala Enron/Worldcom since you decided to squeeze that last bit out and got caught by who you'd term as socialist thugs called American citizens.
lease it out to a large company, and actually make some money off it. At the end of the lease, I might actually have enough money to connect my own stuff to it, as well as to live off of.
Reminds me of what Sun does for their highend framebuffers(ZX, Elite3D M6), except that they just cut off the support knowing full well that they are "useless" afterwards.
And that will eventually drive people to boycotting you. It just wont work, no matter how well your morally bankrupt execs spin it.
You mean the Brown Card when it's final.
Well, that just means that they did a good job of marketing, no more, no less. Just because they succeeded with you doesnt reflect on their status as good or evil in either direction- their status is reflected by what directions the actions as a whole (not just the marketing) take them.
That appears to be very doubtful, since Google is quite outnumbered by equally intelligent members of the public who do this kind of stuff for a living. Sure, they might get some of it, but this would almost be shooting themselves in their feet if they assumed this. They might be #1 in a lot of books, but they arent in mine. Their strength might be from the Stanford background of the company, but that could be used against them as the lack of transparency in their company policy could hurt them later on.
...IOS is as expensive as it is, not as so much as money, but more of it the idea of having to go as far as selling your soul to them to get it (read: contracts that have the threat of taking away the security of your network). Given the situation, I'm very glad this happened - since I'd not mind taking a good look at this myself.