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Let the Mindgames Begin

chienr writes "Like Pong, but instead of paddles, you use your brainwaves to control the ball over to the opponent's goal, that's Mindball! This apparatus was previously an experiment under the name Brainball, and is now commercially available - here's another link with video."

244 comments

  1. Controlling balls by the power of your mind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    At last, a computer game for women.

    1. Re:Controlling balls by the power of your mind? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Oh good lord! It's FUNNY! Since when has political correctness been a criteria here? Oh, nevermind!

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    2. Re:Controlling balls by the power of your mind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who'd be more likely to mod the grandparent post flamebait, a man or a woman? ;)

    3. Re:Controlling balls by the power of your mind? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      I don't know any women who could play this game, they're thinking of themselves too much.

      But I was thinking this might be easier for the drunk, or those on meds...

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    4. Re:Controlling balls by the power of your mind? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Controlling balls by the power of your mind?
      At last, a computer game for women.

      Bzzt! Wrong again and YOU suffer the consequences. Everyone knows you have to GUESS what THEY'RE thinking! :-)

      Couldn't resist!

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  2. Seems ripe for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    doping scandals.

    1. Re:Seems ripe for... by mog007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I havn't bought it, because I'm a poor college student, but this idea has already been fully experimented with in Wild Divine.

    2. Re:Seems ripe for... by bhima · · Score: 1
      Indeed it has, and indeed it works

      And it's highly groovy!

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    3. Re:Seems ripe for... by Katharine · · Score: 1

      mog007 wrote: I haven't bought it, because I'm a poor college student, but this idea has already been fully experimented with in Wild Divine.

      I agree that it is similar to Wild Divine, but there are significant differences. This game measures brain waves, Wild Divine measures skin conductance and heart rate variability. Also, Wild Divine is non-competitive.

      Having played Wild Divine, I suspect that this game would be more difficult. When playing, one must not only be relaxed, but also be detached about doing better than the other person-- or you will wind up being less relaxed!

      Because of Mindball's use of EEG rather than the less expensive equipment used by Wild Divine, I suspect Mindball will also be considerably more expensive. But that's not surprising-- it looks more like a set-up you'd have in a bar or lounge while Wild Divine is better adapted for home use.

      I'd like to try Mindball, it sounds like fun.

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  4. Another new game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I call it "Beat the 503" How many Slashdot pages can you get through without hitting a 503 error?

  5. The Force!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feel the power of the force, not quite force push or lightning, but getting there.

  6. Take a nap by srleffler · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems to me, that the best way to win would be to just close your eyes and ignore the ball. Better yet, take a nap.

    1. Re:Take a nap by marnargulus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, brain activity would likely be at a peak during a dream stage. Hypnosis would be much better, where you can be told to basically "think of nothing" and come as close as possible.

    2. Re:Take a nap by 3Suns · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're pathetic! My grandmother could beat you at this game, and she's in a coma!

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    3. Re:Take a nap by Xilo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you saying that the best winning move is not to play?

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    4. Re:Take a nap by Omerna · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Only if the game lasted a few hours. You don't start to dream right when you fall asleep; it's something like increments of 90 minutes after you fall asleep. For instance, fall asleep at 12:00 and you'd dream at 1:30, 3:00, 4:30, etc.

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    5. Re:Take a nap by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 1

      I'd try meditation myself. With enough practice, one could really calm the brain activity.

      Time for me to get back to doing some zazen.

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    6. Re:Take a nap by scrypt · · Score: 1

      What about people with ADHD? What kind of a chance do they have?

    7. Re:Take a nap by Keighvin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless you're narcoleptic, in which case it can occur in as few as 30 *seconds*.

      Also, hypnosis could be use to increase concentration which may prove useful in achieving the desired feedback state, but hypnosis in itself does not make any measurable change in wave patterns.

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    8. Re:Take a nap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can take 5 to 10 minute power naps and wake up remembering the fragments of dreams sometimes. I think the 90 minutes until a dream starts is an average over the population. There are some of us who are built to dream. I have some friends who swear they have never ever dreamed in their entire life. They just don't remember them, but I bet their dream patterns fall more into the 90 minute until dreaming state pattern.

    9. Re:Take a nap by shaitand · · Score: 1

      You win by having increased brain activity, just of a different type. The more Alpha and Theta waves your brain emits the better off you are. So the grandparent was right, the dreamer would win.

    10. Re:Take a nap by BenVis · · Score: 1

      I work in a lab doing EEG research. The article says the game is controlled with Alpha Waves. Alpha waves are generally produced by people in a meditative state, or when you just zone out. It's easy to tell if a subject is losing focus because alpha waves start to show up. So people that aren't sleepy can still win this game. They just have to zone out.

      Interestingly, some people produce really strong alpha almost all the time, while others produce little or no alpha.

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    11. Re:Take a nap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 60's did that to a lot of people. Damn bad drugs, whoa, here comes one no

    12. Re:Take a nap by acebone · · Score: 1

      What, if any, typical differences do you see in persons producing mucho alpha and persons who don't ?

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    13. Re:Take a nap by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
      What, if any, typical differences do you see in persons producing mucho alpha and persons who don't ?
      People who produce more alpha waves are more likely to say "Whoa, dude!"
      They injest more twinkies than the average person.
      They are more likely to enjoy Pauly Shore movies.
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    14. Re:Take a nap by stevey · · Score: 1

      No, that only works with tic-tac-toe.

    15. Re:Take a nap by acebone · · Score: 1

      I'd mod that informative if I could :)

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  7. Re:Not fair! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are not the balls you are looking for...

  8. Nothing new by i8urtaco · · Score: 4, Funny


    Atari was going to put out a similar device for their 2600 way back when.

    1. Re:Nothing new by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      Atari was going to put out a similar device for their 2600 way back when

      That doesn't compare to the disappointment of finding out that feeding pictures of models into your printer, hooking up a Barbie to jumpercables and waiting for an electrical storm with a bra on your head to make Kelly LeBrock emerge from your bedroom closet was bunk too.

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    2. Re:Nothing new by b0r0din · · Score: 1

      I don't know, back when this was coming out I was young enough that one of my favorite pasttimes was hooking up Barbies to jumpercables and watching them turn black and melt while my sisters recoiled in horror. I was the proud owner of the only Barbie Suntan Station. Ahh, the memories...

      Anyway, not to start a flame war, but I'd take Mia Sara aka Sloane Peterson over Kelly LeBrock any day.

    3. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Atari had a "brain wave Controller," in the works for the 2600, but it actually relied on eye tracking, and it was never released.

  9. This reminds me oddly of 2001 by LeahofRivendell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's funny how in all of these futuristic shows we show people playing games and controlling cars with our minds. Now it's becoming a reality on a much quicker timescale than we imagined.

    It's just like how the book 2001 predicted we'd have space travel, and land on the moon, then we did, way before 2001. It's nice when technology moves faster than fiction.

    1. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just like how the book 2001 predicted we'd have space travel, and land on the moon, then we did, way before 2001. It's nice when technology moves faster than fiction.

      If that were true, then where the hell is my flying car?

    2. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well yeah, but in the movie, 2001 is the year of a large-scale manned Jupiter mission, complete with strong AI. The movie also predicted a large, public space station and an enormous moon base.

    3. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by kisrael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, you're kidding, right?

      About 2001. Where we had a moon base, commercial space station, regular commercial space travel, and a big ol' manned trip to Jupiter by this point?

      If this is a troll color me hooked...

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    4. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by LeahofRivendell · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I was imitating an English teacher I had, and how he would most likely react to an article like this. I'm still working on getting a video of this guy online.

    5. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Omerna · · Score: 0

      Controlling cars with your mind and moving a ball are hardly comparable. This isn't even "mind control" it's just seeing who can relax more.

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    6. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh! So you're an idiot, then.

    7. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by a_nonamiss · · Score: 1
      It's just like how the book 2001 predicted we'd have space travel, and land on the moon, then we did, way before 2001. It's nice when technology moves faster than fiction.
      Ok, maybe I'm biting on some intentionally laid flamebait here, but they were much more technologically advanced in the book (and the movie) than we were in 2001. Also, they went to Jupiter in 2010. If we HAD to get a manned mission to the moons of Jupiter by 2010, we wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
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    8. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by AsylumWraith · · Score: 1

      Actually they had a manned Jupiter mission in 2001, and a manned mission again in 2010.

      And in the book, 2001, the mission wasn't to Jupiter. It was to Saturn.

    9. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      By the time 2001: A Space Odyssey was made in 1967-1968, landing on the moon was a no-brainer. They'd already done tons of test flights and it was pretty much just a matter of getting the men up there.

      Then again, I've never seen a futuristic show where someone was playing games or controlling a car with their mind with the exception of the movie Firefox, but then it was a jet and not a car.

      In other words, whacha talkin' 'bout, Willis!?

    10. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Jodka · · Score: 1

      "About 2001. Where we had a moon base, commercial space station, regular commercial space travel.."

      You left out black monoliths.

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    11. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by scaaven · · Score: 1

      "Size matters not"

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    12. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by snellgrove2 · · Score: 1

      Only if you actually believe we landed on the moon, that is... /me runs and hides

    13. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by anourkey · · Score: 1

      If you are reading this message, then I you know that I am stuck in the Delta Quadrant and have successfully managed to communicate with you through a temporal wormhole. Please. Do not send Voyager on a mission to the Badlands.

    14. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by pdp0x14 · · Score: 1
      Well, you're not exactly moving the ball with your mind. It's a bit of a hoax, although a very cool one. I had a chance to play it in San Francisco.

      The game device reads your brain activity and your partner's and then "decides" how to move the ball based on the relative activity. The motive force is supplied by a motor in the table which is coupled to the ball, magnetically I think.

    15. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if we didnt spend all the money on vietnam and korean wars and pointless nuclear bombs ( how many times do we need to be able to kill everyone on earth?) . Then all that probably would be affordable and doable.

    16. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Gregb05 · · Score: 1

      we didn't build those. they were made by the god things.

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    17. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naw, I got one in my backyard.

      It hums to me in the strange language of . . .
      sorry I gotta go bash another monkey with a thighbone.

      Damn retroactive tranmissions!! : )

    18. Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 by iNetRunner · · Score: 1

      I don't see how we couldn't have done all those.. It just that it would have been very pessimistic to predict that politics are still so centered around military might and oil.. :(

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  10. Competition of the slackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yeah sounds exciting to watch people sit there while a ball moves. I'd rather see it move for whoever can be the most intense that would be great.

    1. Re:Competition of the slackers by gclef · · Score: 1

      That's easy. "Winning" isn't defined by the table...it just moves the ball. To make intensity/non-relaxedness "win", just define the game so that pulling the ball to you wins, rather than winning by being relaxed & pushing it away.

      As someone else mentioned, though, watching two people act constipated may not be any more fun.

  11. The most relaxed player wins. Interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, in order to play you have to almost *not care* if you win or lose...

    This may have uses in anger management courses, but I can't see it popping up in bars and arcades any time soon. :)

    1. Re:The most relaxed player wins. Interesting. by Wescotte · · Score: 1

      Don't relax! It's what they want you to do!

  12. Obligitory Star Trek Reference by Omega1045 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They had something like this on TNG's episode "The Game", where Wesley and Ensign Robin Lefler are the only ones on board that have not been taken over by a game you control with your mind. I am sure if Wil Wheaton is reading this he will have an Ashley Judd comment ;-)

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    1. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by Locarius · · Score: 1

      Damn, beat me to it.

    2. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by dotwaffle · · Score: 4, Funny

      My god, I AM a geek. Not only did I know what you were talking about, I was thinking the same thing!

    3. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I always figured the reason why Wesley didn't fall for the game was because Ashley's *cough* charms were too distracting for him to concentrate on directing the ball into the funnel. I mean, how many geeks would be playing a stupid-ass videogame like that when you're sitting right next to Ashley Judd?

    4. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost all of them, that is why they're geeks.

    5. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NERT ALERT!

    6. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by Foz · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I mean, how many geeks would be playing a stupid-ass videogame like that when you're sitting right next to Ashley Judd?
      Probably most of them, that's why they are geeks
    7. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by zonix · · Score: 1

      They had something like this on TNG's episode "The Game" [...]

      That's right! So, if this game also involves a psychotropic reaction, I guess the Swedes are looking to take over the world! :-)

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    8. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

      Three geeks!
      One who has the mental capacity of a wet noodle,
      one who has the social skills a wet noodle, and the third who has the physical capacity of a wet noodle!

      (not funny, but I don't see y'all doing any better)

    9. Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's a nert?

  13. Mindgames? by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought the real mindgames were all the 503's Slashdot has been throwing as part of a guerilla marketing campaign for the Manchurian Candidate or something.

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    1. Re:Mindgames? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We OWN you -- Manchurian, Inc.

  14. I For One by dmomo · · Score: 0

    Welcome this tournament of Cerebral Overlords.

  15. EGG?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isn't EGG electrogastrography...having to do with measuring stomach/digestive tract activity?

    Don't they mean the EEG, the electroencephalogram?

    A Concerned Reader by the name of Paolo (marcoe.net)

    1. Re:EGG?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would that mean eating at Taco Bell is considered doping?

    2. Re:EGG?! by GimpyMcJackass · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope it's not an EGG! An esophagogastroduodenoscopy consists of inserting a small camera down the throat to check out the esophagus, stomach, and upper duodenum. Of course, having it be an EGG would make relaxing a lot harder, and thus make the game a lot more challenging. :)

  16. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wake me up when they are playing with a bottle of Janx Spirit.

    "Oh don't give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ No, don't you give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ For my head will fly, my tongue will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die/ Won't you pour me one more of that sinful Old Janx Spirit").

    1. Re:Yawn by brandonY · · Score: 1

      I usually play Mindball to lose :)

  17. I Can't Really Play... by bfg9000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... I don't have the minimum system requirements...

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    1. Re:I Can't Really Play... by abreel02 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, now I really know what does it mean: spitting coffee on monitor.

    2. Re:I Can't Really Play... by Vindicator9000 · · Score: 1
      I can't either. My particular brand of tinfoil hat isn't supported.

  18. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "For those who are just too competitive to relax by playing - Mindball is a game where two players control a ball with their brainwaves and the one who's the most relaxed wins... The biosensor system registers the electrical activity and the player who is the most relaxed can make the ball roll over to his opponent's goal with his brainwaves."

    Let's see, a player needs to be completely relaxed in order to win. Does that mean that people who are stoned/drunk/asleep offer the best competition?? That's a scary thought...

    1. Re:Hmm... by Zx-man · · Score: 0
      Let's see, a player needs to be completely relaxed in order to win. Does that mean that people who are stoned/drunk/asleep offer the best competition?? That's a scary thought...
      You've probably misspelled the word ``dead''?

      P.S. More over, this, in fact, is the first game you can actually lose without having an opponent.
    2. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this would be more fun if you hacked it, and made it reverse the logic. It would be much more interesting to see which player could work their mind into the most wipped up frenzy then who can relax.

  19. Instant Success by cephyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This tech is tailor made for the porn industry. Guaranteed profit, no ??? necessary.

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  20. Tabletop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this would have been much more accessible and fun (possibility for many different game types) if it had been some type of small system that connected to a television instead of being a tabletop game.

  21. Not fair with blondes! by DungeonCoder · · Score: 1, Funny

    They don't have a brain, you insensitive clod!

  22. Chevy Chase would say... by Wizzy+Wig · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Be the ball, be the ball....."

    1. Re:Chevy Chase would say... by koa · · Score: 1

      There is no ball...

      Do you think that is air you are breating?

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    2. Re:Chevy Chase would say... by TheCyko1 · · Score: 1

      And behind the opponent is the ball's home.

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    3. Re:Chevy Chase would say... by zonix · · Score: 1

      Oh boy, Chevy Chase (as Ty Webb) has some great lines in Caddyshack:

      Ty Webb: You take drugs, Danny?
      Danny Noonan: Every day.
      Ty Webb: Good. What's the problem?
      Danny Noonan: I don't know.

      Ty Webb: I like you, Betty.
      Danny Noonan: That's Danny, sir.
      Ty Webb: Danny.

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  23. Rather steep price by grunt107 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    $19k for a simplistic, albeit technically interesting, game seems rather steep. Now if it made Tyra Banks come rolling to me...

    1. Re:Rather steep price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're into amputee pr0n!? eeeww.

    2. Re:Rather steep price by The-Bus · · Score: 1

      What would everyone pay for this, by the way? I'd pay somewhere in the $500-1000 range based on the pure novelty.

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    3. Re:Rather steep price by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 4, Informative

      $19k for a simplistic, albeit technically interesting, game seems rather steep.

      Was thinking exactly the same thing.

      Instead of directly reading brainwaves, one could rig up a similar game using those cheap "bio-feedback" devices (you remember... the ones that attach to your finger and generate a tone? The "more relaxed" you are, the "lower" the tone goes).

      Sure, it wouldn't be *exactly* the same, but it would be a similar concept... and for under $50.

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    4. Re:Rather steep price by DonGar · · Score: 1

      But where the hell did you go to find out the price?

      The website makes it look like you need to contact a salesperson to get a quote. I truly hate websites with no feedback at all about pricing. I've spent two weeks trying to get a solid number from a sales person, only to find out they were 100k outside of my (10k) budget.

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  24. Lot of other stuff on this by joeldg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That table looks like something from a pizza parlor circa 1985.

    Lot of other stuff on this:
    http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,58193,00. html

    and this one which is funny..

    Cheers

    1. Re:Lot of other stuff on this by tod_miller · · Score: 1
      and this one [karoo.net] which is funny..


      Yeah, funny until he beats your bigot ass at mindball!

      Well, I am glad you linked it though.
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    2. Re:Lot of other stuff on this by joeldg · · Score: 1

      the funny part being his face in that photo...
      also, his descriptions of getting massive headaches and the spins.

      yea, he probably would kick my ass at mindball..
      that guy is hardcore..

  25. Hehe. I thought the same thing. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seems like the ideal stoner party game.

    Duuuude, I am soooo much more relaxed than you.

    Talkin smack bitch? Watch my total relaxation crush your total relaxation.

    Whoooooaaaaaa

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    1. Re:Hehe. I thought the same thing. by Ignignot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ha! Your stoners will never have less brain activity than my training buddy, an Idaho potato!

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    2. Re:Hehe. I thought the same thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      way to steal from the onion for karma.

  26. Make it better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by putting naked women in the room with the players. Definitly be able to tell who is gay or not.

  27. I've tried it... by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... it has really odd side effects. Its almost like psychokenesis.

    Thinking about it gets me angry, and everytime I get angry, slashdot gets 503 errors... Sorry about those, folks.

    Seriously, though... isn't there such a thing as 'rolling back production code,' and 'unit tests,' and 'testing out code on a test server before pushing to production'?
    Those of us that work in coding shops use these profusely... would be more professional to see something like this in action at slashdot.

    If you agree, please mod up.

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    1. Re:I've tried it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Agreed, you truly have to wonder about a slopped together perl and the ineptness of a "professional" news service when this 503 crap is going on.

    2. Re:I've tried it... by mekkab · · Score: 1

      you are a stupid head, and you are a dummy too. You are a stupid head, and you're scared of mummies, too.

      Wouldn't it be cool if you could see who moderated you? I think anonymous moderation is for cowards.

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    3. Re:I've tried it... by Keith+Russell · · Score: 1
      If you agree, please mod up.

      Looks like somebody on the OSDN payroll didn't agree. FortKnox got modbombed and temp-banned. I wonder what will happen to me if I reply? Will Michael modbomb me, ban me, then personally drive to my house and try to shove a swiss cake roll in my disk drive?

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  28. How it works by tod_miller · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is also used to aid people who are completely paralysed to communicate through a PC.

    It uses a P6 response which is exercised through pre-emptive expectant brain activity. If you hook up a ECG, and filter the waveforms, at certain points a frequency jumps, at the point where you expect a red traffic light to go green.

    Signal processing of ECG signals allows you to isolate certain conditions of thought, and therefore, thought allows you to control whatever is triggered by the filters.

    Neat! I can save myself RSI in 5 years, but fry my brain trying to think-type and solve programming problems.

    Perhaps they will use this to install seti in everyones brain!!

    Tod.

    PS: Seti is evil.

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    1. Re:How it works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you hook up a ECG, and filter the waveforms, at certain points a frequency jumps, at the point where you expect a red traffic light to go green.

      You can determine brain waves from an Electrocardiogram?! Wow! That's neat stuff!

    2. Re:How it works by tod_miller · · Score: 1

      C'mon I realised after, but EGG just looked wierd!

      And I bet ECG's would be better for the pr0n industry, they could email the emergency services if you go overboard and peg it (see other comment re: pr0n and EGG) :-)

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    3. Re:How it works by rcamans · · Score: 1

      I see a slew of new lawsuits for RSI from this one.

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    4. Re:How it works by arcanumas · · Score: 1
      Perhaps they will use this to install seti in everyones brain!!

      Except the men in black.
      They already know.

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  29. 503'd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps all the sites that have suffered the wrath of 1 million nerds trying to access at the same time have decided to give /. a taste of its own medicine..................

  30. I for one... by slim_jimmy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    welcome our new pong mind controlling overlords...

  31. Forgive my absolute ignorance.... by detlev409 · · Score: 1

    WTF is an Ashley Judd comment?

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    Howdy.
    1. Re:Forgive my absolute ignorance.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      WTF is an Ashley Judd comment?

      A Linux user kissed Ashley Judd. Yes, it's true (Wil Wheaton uses Mandrake). BEAT THAT YOU SMUG BSD SNOBS!

    2. Re:Forgive my absolute ignorance.... by syousef · · Score: 1

      A Linux user kissed Ashley Judd. Yes, it's true (Wil Wheaton uses Mandrake). BEAT THAT YOU SMUG BSD SNOBS!

      A Linux user kissed a real live girl? And she was awake? And famous?!?!? Oh boy! Aww geez what's this world coming too.

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  32. I can see it now... by scoot241 · · Score: 0

    Using your mind as a controller, we will be able to see the history of video games repeated (perhaps a bit faster this time around). It starts with Pong. Soon, the mind controller will move to Pac-Man, Pitfall, Missile Command, and the other hits of the Atari. Donkey Kong, Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros., Zelda, and the Nintendo games soon follow, and the mind can now handle two "buttons" or action-thoughts. Sonic and friends give a third "button" to the early Genesis style mind controller, only to be outdone by the massive six "buttons" of Super Nintendo. Playstation then invades and gives eight button functionality with Final Fantasy VII and other great games (sorry I'm not much of a PS person). Three-dimensional games are now becoming the norm, as GoldenEye debuts on the Mindtendo 64. Full-blown realistic graphics power the new versions of the systems, as you control first person shooters like never before. Grand Theft Auto takes on a whole new meaning, as do the Zelda games. What will the next revolution be?

  33. scanners reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Switch the goals so the least relaxed person wins and watch as your opponent gets so agitated his head explodes!

  34. AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! by j_d · · Score: 4, Funny

    you kids with your cheap jedi references. pah.

    1. Re:AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! by QEDog · · Score: 3, Informative
      I think you mean:

      Kaneda: Tetsuuuo!

      Tetsuo: Kanedaaa!

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    2. Re:AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! by TheCyko1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Kaneda: Tetsuuuo!

      Tetsuo: Kanedaaa!


      Sasuke: _______
      a) Akira
      B) Inuyasha
      c) Naruto
      d) Bender

      Damn, I hate these... um... B?

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    3. Re:AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      e) Itachi

      You're either behind or ahead...

    4. Re:AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      F. Alucard.

      --
      Not a sentence!
    5. Re:AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean this:

      http://www.rdwarf.com/~kioh/haxorec52.jpg

      H4x0r Economist

      k33ping d3m0cr4cy l33t 51Nc3 1987

  35. No contest! by Osgyth · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Just smoke up before playing, no one would be able to beat you!

  36. Easy to do, but way too slow by Animats · · Score: 1
    If you've ever been hooked to an EEG and get to look at the outputs, you quickly realize that you can control some of the signals a little. But it's a very low resolution signal.

    There was a "biofeedback" boom back in the 1970s. Most of these ideas were tried back then.

  37. drop some acid and then.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What happens if someone drops some acid? Can they still control the ball or will it now control them?
    What will be its flight characteristics?


    Just saw I Robot. Is this the future? Will a Positroic brain actually be a hybrid Human brain from abortions merged with this technology, overlayed with the 3 laws and on acid?

  38. How about the reverse? by koa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Imagine a contest to see who can muster the largest amount of brainwaves?

    Of course; this might end up looking like a constipation contest if it got out of hand! heh

    --
    ....move along....nothing to see here....
    1. Re:How about the reverse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One idea for reversing it (that I picked up somewhere else) makes it quite easy. Just change the goal to getting it into your own "hole." The computers running it should run it just the same. That way you get to have two different games without needing to change anything.

      It'd be even more interesting to start playing relax then intensity games back to back...

    2. Re:How about the reverse? by machine+of+god · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I bet there is a maximum that the sensors can pick up. That said, do you do better if the sensor is not well attached to your head?

  39. Relaxing Competition by stuffduff · · Score: 1

    Seems like a bit of an oxymoron. But then so is coolness...

    --
    "Can there be a Klein bottle that is an efficient and effective beer pitcher?"
  40. IN JAPAN... by DungeonCoder · · Score: 0

    all your minds are belong to us!

    (At last, the fusion of 2 great slashdot's jokes!)

  41. Once you started to lose... by deathcloset · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You would probably keep losing.

    I'm guessing that the final loser would have to perform a forfeit, which was usually obscenely biological.

    1. Re:Once you started to lose... by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 1

      Ah, that Ol Janx Spirit.

      I usually play to lose.

      Stuart

      --
      It's all fun and games until a 200' robot dinosaur shows up and trashes Neo-Tokyo... Again
  42. The most relaxed player wins all games. by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This goes for any "game"... including music.

    When you care, you hesistate, and when you hesistate, you leave the groove.

    It's important to plow forward with a sense of abandonment. Any excess tension, mental or physical, will shut you down - no matter if you are in a concert hall, the golf course, or a tennis court!

    --
    Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
    1. Re:The most relaxed player wins all games. by iabervon · · Score: 1

      Being relaxed is always a factor, but most games also require attention as well, and it is the interplay of these that makes them interesting.

  43. Arcades by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

    So when will we see these in arcades? I'd go to one to give it a try. Also, if they just produced the sensor, maybe as a USB interface, they could sell it with some software as a way to practice relaxing.

    --
    I do security
    1. Re:Arcades by narcc · · Score: 1

      they could sell it with some software as a way to practice relaxing

      Theres lots of biofeedback devices for that very purpose!

      http://www.luxevivant.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIE WPROD&ProdID=35

  44. The result will be Bill Gates picking his nose: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  45. My ex-girlfriend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...would really kick ass on this game. She was an expert at the whole passive-aggressive thing. She'd just sit there, looking content, giving you no clue that the rage was building within her, then you'd do something completely innocuous and POW! all of the sudden and she'd explode on you. That was your indication that she her mind wasn't really as calm as appeared. Kinda like the calm before the storm. She was actually very skillful at a variety of mindgames. Once my therapist is able to break through the mental blocks she says I've put up, I'll be able to list them all here for your amusement.

  46. Spectacle by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow, this is fantastic stuff. Why are people complaining this is 'too simple'? What do you want, Honda ads featuring steering wheel-less cars?

    This is an absolute (apologies to Scott Bakula) Quantum Leap over anything I've ever seen before. I'm no scientist so I haven't seen the prior research, but this is amazing stuff. I think if the news media gets a hold of this one the interest would skyrocket.

    Whether this is proof of concept or not, the reality is that nothing has ever been created that is anywhere like this in the commerical market. Even for the super-rich, this is the toy to have. I could've swore this was $199.00 (by quickly misreading the price) and was pulling at my wallet when I realized my mistake.

    Where is the wonder? Where is the spectacle? Are we really so jaded to everything that when something unabashadly ingenius arrives, even in the most simplistic of forms, we can't simply enjoy it?

    I believe this is the beginning of an era, one that will only hasten its way here if this gets the attention it deserves. What geek wouldn't love to face-off with an archrival or friend?

    Battle of wits? Meeting of the minds? This is fantastic.

    1. Re:Spectacle by narcc · · Score: 1

      Sadly, the technology isn't exactly new.
      http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/consoles/260 0/mindlink.html

      We're not jaded. It's just that we've been hurt by so many poor (and many vaporous) incarnations of this kind of tech so often...

  47. I have wanted to make these sorts of things by machine+of+god · · Score: 1

    since the beginning of time.

    Anyone have any insights as to the kind of education needed?

    Right now I'm looking at CSE (comp. sci with some EE) and a chem minor and then grad/med school for some sort of neuroscience.

    That last part is based on nothing at all though, I still have some time until I graduate.

    (actually my real goal is to achieve world domination through my AI enhanced droid army)

    1. Re:I have wanted to make these sorts of things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Csci won't do much for you. Major in EE, or, if you can find a Univ that offers it, Biomedical Engineering.

      That's what I'm in right now: you get a primer on over everything you could possibly want to use inside your or someone elses body, circuit design, fluid mechanics, physiology, tissue engineering. . . and you take electives to boost other sections (like neuroscience). Of course, due to the broad and (somewhat) shallow nature of the education, noone hires people like us except medtronic and a few others. . . mostly we have to ACTUALLY DO SOME RESEARCH AND CREATE SOMETHING WORTHWHILE, INSTEAD OF BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO ALL DAY. it's quite thrilling really.

    2. Re:I have wanted to make these sorts of things by Hobadee · · Score: 1

      > (actually my real goal is to achieve world domination through my AI enhanced droid army)

      You and everyone else on /.

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  48. Mindball by rcamans · · Score: 1

    Sheesh. There they go again. Presuming (erroneously) that people have two or more brain cells to rub together to send smoke signals to a video game.
    The reason people play video games is because they are too stupid to d anything worthwhile.

    Now stop interrupting my video game with this crap.

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    wake up and hold your nose
  49. I don't care what you cynical old so-and-sos say by detlev409 · · Score: 1
    ...that's just damn cool.

    I do agree with the Cowards who've posted saying they think the most intense brainwaves should move the ball forward, but I wonder if we don't run into a measuring problem. Is it indeed more difficult to calm one's brainwaves than to excite them? Reminds me of the game show The Chair from a few years back. It always seemed like it should have been easier to stay relaxed. Granted, the Chair measured heart rate, but the process to control relax either measurement ought to be the same, right?

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  50. Does it work when... by Skiron · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I wear my tin-foil hat?

    1. Re:Does it work when... by rcamans · · Score: 1

      Believe me. It works on you. Tin foil hat or not, you always win. zero measured brain waves every time. heh heh.

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      wake up and hold your nose
  51. What? Production Standards? by Electrawn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nah! Tinkering with production code is done by many major coding shops...

    Chicago Tribune: Link
    Additional: Hasn't missed a paper since the Chicago Fire...All I received Monday was the Business section. Didn't bring the company down...but hurt big!

    Sprint: Link
    Additional: Sprint had to outsource it because if you own a sprint phone and ever called customer service, half the time they couldn't help you because the computers were down! Almost brought the company down.

    A&TT Wireless: Link
    Additional: DID bring the company down.

    Microsoft: Link
    Additional: Brought MANY companies down...

    I'm sure I can name more production bungles...Slashdot 503 for an hour isn't a company crasher though.

    -Electrawn

  52. Great game for Bush by Globe199 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    So the person whose brain is most relaxed wins?

    Sounds like a great game for George Bush. He'll destroy the competition with his relaxed brain!

    Globe199

  53. Wow... mind controlled computer software... by Xpilot · · Score: 1

    They should build this technology into Firefox.

    --
    "Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
    1. Re:Wow... mind controlled computer software... by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > They should build this technology into Firefox

      You must surf... in Russian!

      (In Soviet Russia, you must surf?)

  54. Yes but it doesnt have anything on neverball by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1

    Yes but it doesnt have anything on neverball.

    What, jedi mind tricks? Well fine then, neverball's still FOSS! =P

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  55. Control with your Mind != Detects Relaxation by Spankophile · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is an art installation in Toronto called Deconism that asks people to sit around tables, each wearing similar "brainwave detection" devices. Your brain activity contributes to some computer generated music, thus you're doing musical improv with your MIND!!

    In actuality though, the difference between YOU CONTROL IT WITH YOUR MIND and "you take a few deep breaths, and your levels change" is quite a big dissapointment.

    This sounds no different.

    What I *really* want to see is something that you calibrate: i.e. Think "left," and the pattern is recognized, likewise for think "right." Then you can control an actual game of Pong or Arkanoid with your mind. That would impress me.

  56. I agree by eril · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's much more interesting, IMHO, is the circular printer on the home page (it's about halfway down).

  57. Different OS Battle by TheOtherAgentM · · Score: 1

    What I'd like to see is someone use Windows while having the head band on vs. someone using Linux and having the headband on, and have them do the same task. See who has to think harder to get it done. This would be great for designing intuitive "no brain necessary" software.

  58. New Science from the Mindball home page by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The biosensor system, registers the electrical activity in the brain - so called EGG."

    Cripes, I've been doing it wrong all these years. I thought it was electroencephalogram (EEG). Now I find out that the brain runs on chicken embryos.

    Makes sense though. Most people I know are either hard boiled, fried, or totally scrambled. I wonder if I can get a refund on my student loans and apply for chef's school instead.

    The anti-drug TV ad was right: "THIS IS YOUR BRAIN....."

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    "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
  59. Win by being calm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't win in real life by "being calm", you win by taking action! VOTE BUSH 2004

  60. ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you the same guy who saw that Korean robot kit and then jumped to the conclusion that we're "much closer than we thought" to a scenario like "I, Robot"???

  61. It begins... by TheCyko1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It always starts with pong and ends with getting bombarded by enough spam to drive a person nuts, cept this time it's getting beamed directly into your head.

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    This message was brought to you by the death of 30 brain cells.
  62. Move the Ball by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Do not try and move the ball, that's impossible. Instead, Only try and realize the truth. You have no balls.

    ummmm. wait, that didn't come out right

    1. Re:Move the Ball by rsadelle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Finally someone recognizes that there are female /. readers.

  63. Finally, we can compete... by Tickenest · · Score: 1
    --
    This is the NFL, which stands for "Not For Long" if you keep making those bulls*** calls.
  64. Winning. by Mishkin · · Score: 1

    loop Okay so you become relaxed enough to start winning. You are about to win and you get all excited. Then the other guy starts to win and he gets excited.... until (coma.induced());

  65. guaranteed ways to win... by a_tattletale · · Score: 1

    1) rack your oppononent in the groin with a baseball.
    2) trash talk your opponent: tell 'em you did his wife last night.

    others?

    1. Re:guaranteed ways to win... by justkarl · · Score: 1

      1) rack your oppononent in the groin with a baseball. 2) trash talk your opponent: tell 'em you did his wife last night.

      others?


      no, those are fine. Just remember to do them very very calmly.

  66. What about the CyberLink? by spun · · Score: 1

    I remembered seeing a brainwave controlled sailboat on some science show many years ago. I googoled for 'brainwave controlled sailboat' and found these guys, makers of the CyberLink, the device used to control the sailboat. Seems this controller has more than just one axis of control, and many different games, including a maze game, tetris, and pong. This kind of thing has been around for a long time, and other companies are doing it better, but the flashy company with the simple yet super expensive setup is the one going to get mentioned, of course.

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  67. Sphere of Annihilation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm suprised I haven't seen this posted yet. This looks like the beginnings of the D&D "Sphere of Annihilation" where the dimenional void would slowly move towards the magic-user who could not control it.

    No coming back from that one baby!

  68. Re:Ashley Judd reference by fallen1 · · Score: 1

    Hell, wouldn't you have a comment on someone who professed (or was it her mother?) in front of a national audience that she didn't wear panties?? I'd be saying "Yeah, you could tell that under that uniform she had smooth curves.." ;-)

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    Live as if you'll die tomorrow.
    ~Anonymous~

  69. Real Multi-Axis Mind Control by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out these guys. Full multi-axis control, even a brain controlled mouse with clicking. Hell, they even piloted a sailboat with it. I saw it years ago on some science show, and they are still around. Much more advanced than the expensive showpiece in the article.

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    1. Re:Real Multi-Axis Mind Control by FlopEJoe · · Score: 1
      I'd like to play around with something like this but $2K is pretty high! And the SDK is tree-fiddy! Are there any other rigs with sainer prices? Just something I could jack my brain into the computer and see the effects in real time.

      Some Googling seems to show most of the rigs are expensive.

    2. Re:Real Multi-Axis Mind Control by pherthyl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yup, the brainfingers system works quite well. I have two of them here at the university and they're pretty impressive. Recognizes features generated by different muscle movements in the face.
      They also have some quite complex software to map incoming features to computer functions (controlling the mouse, keyboard, etc).

      I'm doing a bit of work on their feature detection to detect long features more accurately.

    3. Re:Real Multi-Axis Mind Control by Katharine · · Score: 1

      FlopEJoe wrote: I'd like to play around with something like this but $2K is pretty high! And the SDK is tree-fiddy! Are there any other rigs with sainer prices?

      I think a real EEG machine is going to run you at least $1500 unless you build it yourself.

      As others have noted, the Journey to Wild Divine game is somewhat similar to Mindball, and much cheaper. (About $160.) However, it doesn't read brain waves, it detects relaxation levels with skin conductance and heart rate variablity-- it works very much like a "lie dectector." I don't think it is sensitive enough for multi-axis control, it only does "more relaxed" and "less relaxed."

      There is a guy, Bryan Ingram, who has been working on a program that reads the signal from the Wild Divine monitor so you can do other things with it.

  70. Ohh yea by cuffsofgb · · Score: 1

    This could be the start of the greatest drinking game ever!

  71. EEG sensor? by Quixote · · Score: 1

    Where can one get one of these EEG sensors? It'd be interesting to play around with it..

  72. Re:Control with your Mind != Detects Relaxation by amliebsch · · Score: 1
    What I *really* want to see is something that you calibrate: i.e. Think "left," and the pattern is recognized, likewise for think "right." Then you can control an actual game of Pong or Arkanoid with your mind. That would impress me.

    I think the most effective combination would use your eyes as tracking devices and your mind as a "trigger." Your eyes would be natural to use as analog devices, for a game like, let's say, pong, where you want rapid feedback and analog control. It would also be a natural way to control the focus on a computer screen - simply have it track what you are looking directly at. Then, using discrete thought commands, you could "think" more concrete actions, like "click," "open," or "shoot."

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  73. Played it at the Wired Nextfest by azav · · Score: 1

    Totally cool game. Probably one of the coolest things at the wired nextfest.

    I kicked ass BTW. Who would have thought I was so relaxed?

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    - Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
  74. sounds right. by twitter · · Score: 1
    It would be much more interesting to see what kind of thoughts increase activity and who can increase it the most. Would an old calculus exam beat someone writing a creative essay? Can you store the signals and play yourself? Does it hurt when the steel ball drops into your lap? Would that pain win the game? I'm not willing to crush my testicles, but I might bite my tongue. As the AC notes, all you have to do is change the rules to play this way.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  75. $19k? How about a homebrew system using OpenEEG? by jfisherwa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So who is going to be the first to make a homebrew mindball system using an OpenEEG interface?

    You could probably build the entire thing for less than $1000 in parts.

  76. Re:Not fair! Jedi's, ZEN Masters by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    This technology could actually revolutionize the mental evolution of mankind. From a mental perspective, there is hardly a greater challenge than to think of absolutely nothing for even just a few minutes at a time. I'm quite serious, have you ever actually tried it? Close your eyes for 30 seconds and try to think of absolutely nothing (no pictures, no sounds, no memories, and btw thinking "empty mind, relax, think nothing..nothing.." is still thinking. So 99.99% of you will fail this miserably- I guarantee it. So what does this prove? It proves that we are actually not in control of our minds as we so erogantly think we are. It proves that our mental abilities are far from fine tuned. But what purpose does it serve to think of nothing? If we were to spend a lifetime trying to think of nothing what would we have achieved? Isn't high intellect the result of thinking a lot? Well sort of, but mostly, no. What makes the genius is the ability to focus, to concentrate on a single subject with abyss like depths, reaching further than most other humans, and from those depths high intellectual realizations are thus attained. The keypoint here being that concentration is the master key. One who has enough mind control to concentrate on absolutely nothing, has just as much mind control to think (or meditate) upon any one particular subject and perceive its truth far beyond the capabilities of others. But meditation is very boring stuff for most people, and our western societies get easily bored with just sitting around trying to empty the mind of all the garbage that floats about. We like fast & visible scientific results... well, Zen Masters, perhaps now science has facilitated your teachings and more importantly, motivated western minds to truly work their minds.

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  77. i hope it is 100% virus protected by inmortal · · Score: 1

    well, imagine it has bluetooth, and someone manages to do strange things to your mind... maybe format it?

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    Rimember: Jappi Pipol In Da Jaus
  78. And if you lose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're really pissed after losing a close game would it be possible to mind zap that ball into your opponents forehead?

  79. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" by peter303 · · Score: 1

    In the first (non-pilot) episode of Star Trek two crewmen acquire god-like psychic powers from a magnetic storm. Then powerful things happen by just thinking about it.

    1. Re:"Where No Man Has Gone Before" by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
      In the first (non-pilot) episode of Star Trek
      Actually, that was the second pilot.
      (Yes, the studio wasn't sure about the show after the first pilot, so GR made a second one, which was the one with Sally Kellerman.
      IFAIK, it's the only time that two pilots have been made for a TV show.)
      And it wasn't a magnetic storm; it was the "barrier" that surrounds our galaxy.
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  80. Most relaxed brainwaves? by FienX · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't geeks tend to do better if it was the most active brainwaves?

    Might even give the paramedics something to do when your head explodes.

    -- ain't got no sig

  81. Re: Obligatory George W. Bush reference... by radd0 · · Score: 1

    Close your eyes for 30 seconds and try to think of absolutely nothing (no pictures, no sounds, no memories, and btw thinking "empty mind, relax, think nothing..nothing.." is still thinking. So 99.99% of you will fail this miserably- I guarantee it.

    Just... too... easy -- Must... resist...

  82. brain waves versus eye muscles by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Some of these brain wave senses are actually picking up your eye muscle activity. In two ways: (1) direct muscle potential; (2) your eye movements can affect your brainwaves.

    In practice this isnt bad. In degenerate nerve diseases or cervical trauma, your eye muscles are usually the last voluntary muscles to stop operating.

  83. I AM THE SERENEST!!! by buddhaseviltwin · · Score: 1

    Obligitory Onion Reference MONK GLOATS OVER YOGA CHAMPIONSHIP http://www.glue.umd.edu/~chande/humor/yoga.html Too bad you have to pay to access the Onion's archives.

  84. I AM THE SERENEST!!! by buddhaseviltwin · · Score: 1

    Obligitory Onion Reference

    MONK GLOATS OVER YOGA CHAMPIONSHIP
    http://www.glue.umd.edu/~chande/humor/yoga.html

    Too bad you have to pay to access the Onion's archives.

  85. Just don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... taunt the Mind Ball!

  86. Mindball ... by wedg · · Score: 1

    ... the ultimate sport for martial artists and meditating monks. These guys dedicate their whole lives to staying relaxed, I wouldn't want to face one of them in mindball.

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  87. Re:Not fair! Jedi's, ZEN Masters by Weirdofreak · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it's hard, but I've managed to do it, if not for thirty seconds. I find that it helps to stop during an ellipse - think 3... 2.... 1...... and just let that pause hang there.

  88. Finally... by paz5 · · Score: 1

    a game where i will have an advantage because of narcolep... zzz...

  89. One word.... by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

    Om!

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  90. Forget the Star Trek and Star Wars references... by dpilot · · Score: 1

    Beware monsters from the ID!!!

    (Not ID Software, and the lameness filter wouldn't let me SHOUT!)

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  91. Re: Obligatory George W. Bush reference... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    Just thought I'd point out that thinking of nothing is not the same thing as not thinking about what you're doing.

  92. How can this be calibrated? by rufusdufus · · Score: 1

    Wait a minute, this seems like bunk. This thing reads the brainwaves and moves the ball. But how could it ever be calibrated to be fair in the first place? For all we know, what this really detects is the type of face cream used by the player [is it impedes the reading].
    How do you know that what happens to the ball actually correlates to anything but noise? Blinking your eyes will set an EEG off the map; if you blink do you lose?
    I think it would be very hard to show that this is measuring any real state at all, and that its not just differencing two sets of noise.

  93. i did play this one! by rozz · · Score: 3, Informative

    i played the game one time at the CeBit expo this year ... but as the place was really crowded and loud, i had no ideea if i lost or win - i did not know if you win or loose when the ball comes to your place .. now i know - miserable failure
    why did u peaople post this, i was such a happy winner for several months

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  94. Mindball? by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is it happy? Can we taunt it?

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    Dyolf Knip
    1. Re:Mindball? by Lord_Breetai · · Score: 1

      Is it happy? Can we taunt it?

      Is it fun? Will it suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds? Should we discontinue use if we encounter the following symptoms:

      *Itching
      *Vertigo
      *Dizziness
      *Tingling in extremities
      *Loss of balance or coordination
      *Slurred speech
      *Temporary Blindness
      *Profuse sweating
      *Heart Palpitations

      Inquiring minds want to know. And knowing is half the battle.

      --
      "You are only young once, but you can be immature forever." -www.animemusicvideos.org
  95. Backwards! by CaseM · · Score: 1

    Ack! We've lost 30 years on our graphics! So how long do we have to wait before we're controlling Doom 3-like graphics with our minds? :(

  96. Obligatory Wane's World by soloport · · Score: 1

    "Remember that scene in Scanners where that dude's brain explodes?"

  97. So, how long... by Quixadhal · · Score: 1

    until the pr0n industry starts using this?

    Let's see... paddles... balls.. up and down movement... brainwaves... paypal interface... yup, all in place!

  98. Re:Not fair! by flewp · · Score: 1

    That depends on your sexual preference...

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  99. brainball by armrha · · Score: 1

    I have a brainball table sitting like 20 feet from me. I think my company use to do something for the people who designed it or something. Who knows. Anyways, it's pretty fun. Yeah, the best way to win is just to totally relax. Normally you call wiether it will be an 'eyes closed' game or not though. -Armrha

  100. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    "The only winning move is not to play"

  101. but hypnosis in itself does not make any measurabl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but hypnosis in itself does not make any measurable change in wave patterns.

    Suggest you go back and check your research.

  102. fun to watch by joelanders · · Score: 1

    i think it will really take off as a spectator sport.

  103. Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've played it. Fun stuff.

    They had a table at the Wired NextFest in SF a few months back.
    It was one of the most entertaining things for me there. (The Z-Printer was
    another cool thing. (Printed 3D models.))

    As they describe, a person per side, each with a headband to read brain activity
    like an EEG. Press a button for game reset and the ball moves to the center
    (magnetic mechanism under the table). I believe the graphs' Y-axes corresponded
    to brain activity *frequency*.

    (Brain wave frequencies for your reference:

    Beta 14-30 Hz Alert Wakefulness
    Alpha 8-13 Hz Relaxed
    Theta 4-7 Hz Drowsiness, Unconsciousness
    Delta .5-3.5 Hz Sleep

    (Brain Wave Frequencies) )

    The ball had each hemisphere a different color so the rolling was more obvious.

    Three graphs: One for each player's brain activity and a combined graph to
    illustrate the difference. The greater the difference, the faster the ball
    motion.

    It's weird. You have two contestants struggling against one another through
    being calm. They sit and stare at the table, or even close their eyes. And
    then the ball on the tabletop moves without visible interaction. It does indeed
    look like some bizarre telekinetic battle. I really liked that.

    People freak out a little bit more as they start to lose. Interestingly,
    children who played had very, very poor control over their frequencies. Their
    graphs were consistently frenetic.

    I lost my first game, figured out roughly how to control my activity in the
    second game (won), and the final game I spent toying with my opponent. I would
    relax my mind and unfocus my thoughts and the ball would start rolling toward
    the goal on his side of the table. Relax, relax... and when the ball was on
    the verge of scoring I started thinking wildly and trying to feel panicked,
    and maybe move my eyes around a lot. The ball would slow, stop, and reverse,
    heading toward my side of the table. It must have looked like an epic battle,
    but I was just fucking with the guy. My gf saw my graph go from smooth and low
    to jerky then back and she figured I was messing around. After a while it
    seemed like maybe it was going on too long for the audience's amusement, so I
    finished him.

    Maybe I'm biased because I won, but I thought it was very fun. I can see this
    being a great parlor game *and* biofeedback tool for practicing meditation.
    Hey, maybe battling against your own previous performances is a good idea.

  104. Fun,fun,fun by Harpua22 · · Score: 1

    "The player being most relaxed makes the ball roll over to the opponents goal, with his brain waves as only aid, and thereby wins the game." This sounds like a ton of fun. So much for my afternoon plan to go outside and watch the grass grow

  105. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you have a game that could be programmed in 5 minutes using C++, with the only catch being that it uses electodes on your head as inputs. Maybe if someone uses a microwave within 2 miles, it will launch that little metal ball at 700 MPH at whoever is losing, that would provide some incentive.
    No offence, I think the idea of having a brain controlled game is a good idea, but they could have put some more effort into it. Honestly, I am at a computer camp, and if I made this thing as a project here, they would not even be particularly impressed.

  106. Let me know by JojoCoco · · Score: 1

    when I can get one at ToysR'us

  107. Speaking of Zen by smallfeet · · Score: 1

    Symbolicly, isn't this how the last president was elected?

  108. Spaceballs by Denix · · Score: 1

    I prefer to use The Schwartz!

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    "Simple words such as 'better' or 'faster' are best used by simpletons. Life [...] is more complicated." - TMC
  109. Keep it away from me.... by jonnystiph · · Score: 1

    I saw this on ST:TNG, the dopamine effect on the mind. Very scary. I want no part of it. ;)

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    If we don't make light of everything, we are just stumbling in the dark - Blank

  110. i actually played this game.. 4 years ago. by virtualone · · Score: 1

    when the expo was in hannover (i think 2000) i went to the swedish house, where you could play this game.
    i is extremely replaxing and nevertheless interesting to play.

    i played it with my ex-girlfriend (now wife) , but being a nervous computer freak i could only lose.

    does anybody want to know anything further about it?

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  111. Re:http://www.ashley-judd.net/ Reference by blackest_k · · Score: 1
  112. What would be more fun by brre · · Score: 1
    would be if you controlled paddle position by relative states of bioevents (EKG, GSR, whatever). Thus winning by fine control, not just most relaxed.

    A range of such biofeedback sports would be more fun.

  113. Mood rings at 10 paces by iainmcphersn · · Score: 1

    What's next blood pressure cuffs and pulse rates?

  114. Re:Not fair! Jedi's, ZEN Masters by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 1

    Why is this modded flamebait, it is probably the most insightful thing that I have ever, ever read on slashdot, seriously on a website for geeks it taking care of ones mind should be thought of as an important thing.

  115. Sounds like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like fast-tracking into management to me. Stay most relaxed when you're winning, and do it with booze. Being brain-dead a major asset.

  116. In other news... by edgedmurasame · · Score: 2, Funny

    Psychic athletes have been caught doping, literally with marijuana to attempt to cheat at the game "Mindball" by chemically altering themselves to feel more relaxed. Coincidentally, the accused athletes have all been unreachable for comment due to "overseas vacations".

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    "Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
  117. More SF turns to reality by Derek+Mason · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those who find this mind-blowing might want to check out Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card - fantastic SF book (winner of both the awards whose names I can't remember now). At its core is a game not so unlike this (although admittedly a tad more sophisticated)...

  118. Reverse Mindball by jaric · · Score: 1

    In the Swedish TV show Kontroll (Mindball being a Swedish game) they tried to play reverse Mindball (missing the point completely, I guess). Two guys were supposed to get as agitated as possible to score an own goal.

    Surprisingly they just sat there silently, looking as if they were playing the usual Mindball game. It wasn't very exciting but I think one of them finally succeeded to win the match by getting the ball to roll towards him.

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    1. Re:Reverse Mindball by jaric · · Score: 1

      To avoid any misunderstandings: the video referred to in the story ("Mindball on Swedish TV4, High Resolution") is from another Swedish show where they play it the real way. I couldn't find a video from Kontroll...

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  119. Re:Not fair! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So go get yourself some Mandalorian armor or go train Teras Kasi... It's sickening the amount of Star Wars junk you pick up playing SWG for a year.

  120. Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paragraphs, dude!

    I stopped reading at around "erogantly".

  121. Losing to dead people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you're John Ashcroft.

  122. In a few years.. by xrm · · Score: 2, Funny

    IBM will create a computer and name it "Deep Null", then it will match it against the current Mindball world champion, the dalai lama.

  123. Mindgames before Sex? by crashnbur · · Score: 1

    I really thought they would have developed realistic-looking sex-simulation console and PC games before going the mindgames route. You know there's something wrong with your laws when they interfere with the natural progress of things and force you to bypass sex in video games. We're such prudes...

  124. Re: Obligatory George W. Bush reference... by hplasm · · Score: 0

    Damn! An elephant...!

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    ...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
  125. Imagine... by Rhodnius · · Score: 1

    So the way to win is to make sure you *don't* imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?

  126. Re:but hypnosis in itself does not make any measur by Keighvin · · Score: 1

    Double checked, good sir or madame or troll. I'm working on my certification of hypnosis for therapeutic methods, so this is a recent topic.

    The trance state is detectable via MRI, but not EEG; not unless that trance is used to create specific feedback or incite a form of activity or inactivity which does of itself differ measurably; but which could also be achieved without the hypnosis itself. To reiterate, hypnosis makes other tools more effective, but in itself doesn't look very different from normal activity (though, I will concede that if a person's patterns are extremely well known beforehand some deviation may appear; though the deviation might also be associated with additionally manifest behavior, so the study to review this would require very stringent controls).

    There are other likely physiological indicators though; skin conductivity, capillary dilation, reduced respiration and heartrate, increased oxygen saturation, etc. These of course are when associated with a relaxation type induction; rapid, instantaneous, or excitation inductions will yield significantly different results.

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