Average income in Beijing is 15,600 RMB (chinese dollar) per year. That's 1300 RMB per month. With Vista at 500 RMB that's a good chunk of change. Even Beijing residents with a University degree only averaged 3,000 RMB per month.
In the US, average income is $36,000 per year. Or $3,000 per month. Vista would have to cost ovder $1,100 to take up as great of a part of our income.
Note that the original price (1500 RMB) was more than one months salary for the average employee in Beijing.
If Vista cost us $1,100 I can guarantee it would be pirated to a much greater degree.
"We've been up and running for several months now"... "What are we missing?"
You've migrated several months ago - if you don't know what you are missing yet you either haven't been paying attention to what you need locally or haven't been paying attention to the recent news. Any small items you've probably already needed and know about.
Large things - like accomodating power outages (see 365 Main St) need to be prepared for. I'd guess after a successful migration you've likely covered most things.
"The one troubling thing is about how they plan on disposing of the waste."
Yeah. Destroy it.
I still use an older Compaq laptop (333mhz, 128mb of Ram) as a web server for a not very busy local sports league. It runs an Ubuntu lamp install and has a phpbb forum and about 100 unique visitors per day. Speed of the machine is never an issue.
I also use another old Compaq (233mhz, 192mb of Ram) as a web browsing machine. It's also useful for updating the webserver as all my code I change is done via text editors. When my main machine is being used for gaming or what-not this older machine always handles the browsing, email, or chatting fine.
My 70 year old father has another old machine - a P3 that he uses to print PDF's (horse racing forms). He does nothing else with it. He never touches it. I VNC in and output the PDF's to his printer every Friday.
I would be more than happy to see older machines recycled if that's what actually happens. Ever price 128mb or 256mb PC100 ram lately? I imagine it being destroyed instead of actually being recycled.
If machines were actually dropped off and dated and they allowed people to scavenge (even at a fee) and take what's good I'd like this more. Once a PC has been there for, oh, a week or two and no ones taken it's parts then destroy it. Because something is old doesn't mean it has no use. I would love to work at this recycling place because if it is like the other dumps in the area they would rather destroy stuff then let you take it - liability seems to be the reason........
Recycling should mean recycling, not destroying, but I suspect that not very much recycling will go on.
And people die each week so you have the convenience of buying a pepsi at 3:00am.
The grandparents point is simply that a death is a death, although when their is something unique or spectacular about it we make it a bigger deal than if it's simply a "routine" death. Now I don't mean routine to the family, but routine in a page 26 kind of way, as opposed to something that makes the front few pages.
And I would expect that sending someone to orbit is a very noble calling to many. How many non-goverment employees have ever sent someone to orbit? I'm guessing not very many.
Pretty quick of you to assume that safety wasn't a concern. It was actually a cold test run when it happened. There were bunkers onsite to ensure safety. That's just the from the story we know now. When it's been determined that safety wasn't a high priority then I'll be on your side but for now you are just assuming....
If I bought an iPod and used it to archive my legal purchased CD's and music that I bought from iTunes I can use this justification for downloading other music I may not currently have. To do otherwise would be to pay a levy for songs I legally buy.
My teenage children will surely understand this simple concept - they pay for something ('illegal' mp3's ) they get something. Now try to explain to them why it's wrong to take something they paid for.
I suspected this will noticed by lawyers as much as by anyone threatened. I imagine that cases will be taken on contingency that wouldn't be touched before. Not that I can blame a lawyer. Working for months at the risk of not being paid wouldn't be attractive to anyone. That risk is now much less if your lawyer believes in you.
I do wonder if this really does cover costs though. I couldn't read the link the article posted too - busy - but I did read the New York City lawyer reply indicating he feels the dollar amount isn't enough. I am sure he has a better idea of costs then I do.
"Or they just put a note that they are not responsible for it, and put it in the agreement with the advertiser that the advertiser is responsible."
Clearly they shouldn't be.
If I purchase an ad in a newspaper would the newspaper be liable if I used a competitors name? Does the newspaper have to personaly verify every address and phone number to ensure I am using only my information?
What if I visit a printing company and have scam flyers printed up. Is it up to the printing company to verify?
Just because something happens on the internet doesn't mean it's different from any other media in regards to issues like this.
The more I think about this the more brilliant it is.
When you download Kazaa, Limewire or most other clients they offer you the opportunity to scan your harddrive for content to share. That information is then available to the network, essentially reporting home.
How can anyone claim, in court, that action alone as being illegal? I posted earlier that if it scanned your harddrive it may very well be spyware and as such illegal, but I think I might be wrong on that.
The worst kind would be "The only catch is, after it was installed, it searched your computer for other copyrighted files and reported back."
I've read the article and glanced at many google links and does anyone have any evidence of this other then a quote on a website?
If the MPAA tricked me into downloading a bogus file and stored my ip, well, that would be my fault. Such is life. Everyone who visits my website has their IP recorded too. They have that right.
If the program they get me to download is laden with spyware there are laws for that though. This is the only part of the story that concerns me, and I am sure, concerns them.
I don't buy a lot of music from local retailers anymore either. Why bother when I can find much more of what I'm interested in online then I can locally. Part of that may be from be older and not as up to date on new releases or new bands as others are.
I still buy though. Basically the way I see locals stores is this: They essentially 'ban' anything not very popular - hey, I realize you can't stock everything but when they don't carry music that I want I do look elsewhere. Local retailers in the UK ban Prince and do they really think that Prince fans will stop looking for Prince music? Prince fans will simply find another source for their music (iTunes or Amazon maybe) and quite possibly continue with that source in the future.
Killing your SIM in two weeks doesn't make sense from a security standpoint. Anyone with a budget can simply buy 26 sim cards a year - changing number frequently may make it even more difficult to monitor if that were the intent.
I'm curious as to why you'd have to register your phone as well.
And she was hardly fleeced. To quote "When I upgraded to HD in 2005, Comcast never disclosed - not once - that they would require a shift into an even more expensive cable package.". Oh my god. Comcast didn't indicated that almost 2 years later the price might go up. I'll be Comcast currently offer many more HD channels then they did in 2005. And of course, by her logic, they should do that without raising their price. Because offering this additional content (and HD content cost more to feed then normal channels) does cost.
I notice as well that the customer rents her HD terminal - hardly like she's being forced to stay.
She could choose Direct TV (satellite) - but oh, wait, they charge $9.99/month for HD content. Hmm.. Isn't the same $120 per year she is complaining that comcast want?
I'll also note that on May 7 this same author writes "I'm a Comcast customer, too. But my experience with Comcast, bar some exceptions, has been fairly positive. For one thing, the system is incredibly reliable. Outages just don't happen, at least in my area." (http://www.multichannel.com/blog/1300000330.html? starting=13) It's amazing how her attitude can change so quickly when she finds out she'll have to pay more money for more content.
I can see it now...... Some honest people with laptops that are broken will be hassled more while trying to get a replacement as safeguards are increased to try to remedy this.
And yes. The price of insuring your laptop may very well go up. Insurance companies aren't in the business of losing money. At the end of the day the of insurance fraud will be paid for by honest people.
"Can a computer program be considered defamatory?"
The Grandparent says
"As far as I understood it, a person is rated by a website with some rating procedure the website worked out."
The parent replies with
"All by itself? Just a website doing things on its own? Some human made a decision somewhere."
and I agree. I've not commented on any industry ratings. Neither have any of the posts before me. I am merely implying that you cannot hide behind a computer program or algorithm. Of course a computer program can be considered defamatory - but the person who wrote the program (or was responsible for it's output) would be complicite.
When you call me an idiot because I "don't understand that an industry rating depends on the faith of the people and the respect of the industry" at least wait until I offer an opinion on industry ratings before I do so.
We do pay $xx,xxx.xx to continue living. It's called taxes. Or at least we do in Canada. In 2000 per the Fraser Institute the average family paid $25,000/year.
The 4 packages Shaw offers (per their website) are: Download/Upload usage 150 GB/mo. - $99.95/month 100 GB/mo. - $48.95/month 60 GB/mo. - $38.95/month 10 GB/mo. - $29.95/month ($20 if you have TV as well) source (http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/Interne t/)
As always there is fine print - ie, Service Agreements with Telus and you need to purchase your Modem with Shaw but I'm posting here re bandwidth and that information is clearly listed with limits.
Which is exactly what happened on Mars....albeit accidentally....
From the article....the dead 6th wheel's new mission is as a plow of sorts.....
"One of Spirit's six wheels no longer rotates, so it leaves a deep track as it drags through soil. That churning has exposed several patches of bright soil, leading to some of Spirit's biggest discoveries at Gusev, including this recent discovery. "
I bought my parents a pair of mountain bikes. They ride the paved trails in my town and have never had any problems. Not even a flat tire. No bent rims, skinned knees at all. The bikes I got them were low end $300 models with no shocks or anything. They do, after encouragement, wear there helmets.
My nephew, on the hand, spent $2200 on his fully loaded rider complete with front and rear shocks. He also invested in a high end helment, gloves and other top notch equipment. He has bent at least 3 rims and broken a shock. He even dislocated his shoulder last October. Flat tires are such a common theme that he brings extra tubes and a pump with him on his rides!
Just like your analogy, someone who actually uses a toy with reckless abandon has problem. Someone who "rides the paved path" does so safely. This works with computers too. You ride the downhill dirt trails and execute jumps you may have more problems. Simple really.
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Average income in Beijing is 15,600 RMB (chinese dollar) per year. That's 1300 RMB per month. With Vista at 500 RMB that's a good chunk of change. Even Beijing residents with a University degree only averaged 3,000 RMB per month.
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In the US, average income is $36,000 per year. Or $3,000 per month. Vista would have to cost ovder $1,100 to take up as great of a part of our income.
Note that the original price (1500 RMB) was more than one months salary for the average employee in Beijing.
If Vista cost us $1,100 I can guarantee it would be pirated to a much greater degree.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20040518.html
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-02/
"We've been up and running for several months now" ... "What are we missing?"
You've migrated several months ago - if you don't know what you are missing yet you either haven't been paying attention to what you need locally or haven't been paying attention to the recent news. Any small items you've probably already needed and know about.
Large things - like accomodating power outages (see 365 Main St) need to be prepared for. I'd guess after a successful migration you've likely covered most things.
"The one troubling thing is about how they plan on disposing of the waste."
Yeah. Destroy it.
I still use an older Compaq laptop (333mhz, 128mb of Ram) as a web server for a not very busy local sports league. It runs an Ubuntu lamp install and has a phpbb forum and about 100 unique visitors per day. Speed of the machine is never an issue.
I also use another old Compaq (233mhz, 192mb of Ram) as a web browsing machine. It's also useful for updating the webserver as all my code I change is done via text editors. When my main machine is being used for gaming or what-not this older machine always handles the browsing, email, or chatting fine.
My 70 year old father has another old machine - a P3 that he uses to print PDF's (horse racing forms). He does nothing else with it. He never touches it. I VNC in and output the PDF's to his printer every Friday.
I would be more than happy to see older machines recycled if that's what actually happens. Ever price 128mb or 256mb PC100 ram lately? I imagine it being destroyed instead of actually being recycled.
If machines were actually dropped off and dated and they allowed people to scavenge (even at a fee) and take what's good I'd like this more. Once a PC has been there for, oh, a week or two and no ones taken it's parts then destroy it. Because something is old doesn't mean it has no use. I would love to work at this recycling place because if it is like the other dumps in the area they would rather destroy stuff then let you take it - liability seems to be the reason........
Recycling should mean recycling, not destroying, but I suspect that not very much recycling will go on.
And people die each week so you have the convenience of buying a pepsi at 3:00am.
The grandparents point is simply that a death is a death, although when their is something unique or spectacular about it we make it a bigger deal than if it's simply a "routine" death. Now I don't mean routine to the family, but routine in a page 26 kind of way, as opposed to something that makes the front few pages.
And I would expect that sending someone to orbit is a very noble calling to many. How many non-goverment employees have ever sent someone to orbit? I'm guessing not very many.
Pretty quick of you to assume that safety wasn't a concern. It was actually a cold test run when it happened. There were bunkers onsite to ensure safety. That's just the from the story we know now. When it's been determined that safety wasn't a high priority then I'll be on your side but for now you are just assuming....
I wonder how many people will test this by sticking a pencil in a socket today.
I'll have to scan you-tube over the next few days for clips.
Justification is the key word.
If I bought an iPod and used it to archive my legal purchased CD's and music that I bought from iTunes I can use this justification for downloading other music I may not currently have. To do otherwise would be to pay a levy for songs I legally buy.
My teenage children will surely understand this simple concept - they pay for something ('illegal' mp3's ) they get something. Now try to explain to them why it's wrong to take something they paid for.
I suspected this will noticed by lawyers as much as by anyone threatened. I imagine that cases will be taken on contingency that wouldn't be touched before. Not that I can blame a lawyer. Working for months at the risk of not being paid wouldn't be attractive to anyone. That risk is now much less if your lawyer believes in you.
I do wonder if this really does cover costs though. I couldn't read the link the article posted too - busy - but I did read the New York City lawyer reply indicating he feels the dollar amount isn't enough. I am sure he has a better idea of costs then I do.
"Or they just put a note that they are not responsible for it, and put it in the agreement with the advertiser that the advertiser is responsible."
Clearly they shouldn't be.
If I purchase an ad in a newspaper would the newspaper be liable if I used a competitors name? Does the newspaper have to personaly verify every address and phone number to ensure I am using only my information?
What if I visit a printing company and have scam flyers printed up. Is it up to the printing company to verify?
Just because something happens on the internet doesn't mean it's different from any other media in regards to issues like this.
And that would make it a catch .22
Night and day would only matter if gas were stored above ground. I'm pretty sure that the temperature of underground tanks won't change that rapidly.
The more I think about this the more brilliant it is.
When you download Kazaa, Limewire or most other clients they offer you the opportunity to scan your harddrive for content to share. That information is then available to the network, essentially reporting home.
How can anyone claim, in court, that action alone as being illegal? I posted earlier that if it scanned your harddrive it may very well be spyware and as such illegal, but I think I might be wrong on that.
No. Leave Zeta Jones out of it.
The worst kind would be "The only catch is, after it was installed, it searched your computer for other copyrighted files and reported back."
I've read the article and glanced at many google links and does anyone have any evidence of this other then a quote on a website?
If the MPAA tricked me into downloading a bogus file and stored my ip, well, that would be my fault. Such is life. Everyone who visits my website has their IP recorded too. They have that right.
If the program they get me to download is laden with spyware there are laws for that though. This is the only part of the story that concerns me, and I am sure, concerns them.
Dreams. Ubuntu is the best. It runs this laptop without a Battery!!! And without a battery $50 isn't much savings. lol
I'm guessing this is a typo....but from the article -
$774 Inspiron 1420 (Ubuntu)
Intel® Core(TM) 2 Duo T5250 (1.5GHz/667Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Ubuntu version 7.04
Anti-glare, widescreen 14.1 inch display (1280x800)
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz
80GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
24X CD Burner/DVD Combo Drive
Intel® 3945 802.11a/g Mini-card
Integrated High Definition Audio
$824 Inspiron 1420 (Vista)
Intel® Core(TM) 2 Duo T5250 (1.5GHz/667Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows® Vista Home Basic Edition
Anti-glare, widescreen 14.1 inch display (1280x800)
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz
80GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
24X CD writer/DVD Combo Drive
Intel® 3945 802.11a/g Mini-card
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
Integrated High Definition Audio
I don't buy a lot of music from local retailers anymore either. Why bother when I can find much more of what I'm interested in online then I can locally. Part of that may be from be older and not as up to date on new releases or new bands as others are.
I still buy though. Basically the way I see locals stores is this:
They essentially 'ban' anything not very popular - hey, I realize you can't stock everything but when they don't carry music that I want I do look elsewhere. Local retailers in the UK ban Prince and do they really think that Prince fans will stop looking for Prince music? Prince fans will simply find another source for their music (iTunes or Amazon maybe) and quite possibly continue with that source in the future.
If only there was a way to mod Zonks "article" -1 troll or - 1 flamebait...
Killing your SIM in two weeks doesn't make sense from a security standpoint. Anyone with a budget can simply buy 26 sim cards a year - changing number frequently may make it even more difficult to monitor if that were the intent.
I'm curious as to why you'd have to register your phone as well.
And she was hardly fleeced. To quote "When I upgraded to HD in 2005, Comcast never disclosed - not once - that they would require a shift into an even more expensive cable package.". Oh my god. Comcast didn't indicated that almost 2 years later the price might go up. I'll be Comcast currently offer many more HD channels then they did in 2005. And of course, by her logic, they should do that without raising their price. Because offering this additional content (and HD content cost more to feed then normal channels) does cost.
? starting=13) It's amazing how her attitude can change so quickly when she finds out she'll have to pay more money for more content.
I notice as well that the customer rents her HD terminal - hardly like she's being forced to stay.
She could choose Direct TV (satellite) - but oh, wait, they charge $9.99/month for HD content. Hmm.. Isn't the same $120 per year she is complaining that comcast want?
I'll also note that on May 7 this same author writes "I'm a Comcast customer, too. But my experience with Comcast, bar some exceptions, has been fairly positive. For one thing, the system is incredibly reliable. Outages just don't happen, at least in my area." (http://www.multichannel.com/blog/1300000330.html
I can see it now...... Some honest people with laptops that are broken will be hassled more while trying to get a replacement as safeguards are increased to try to remedy this.
And yes. The price of insuring your laptop may very well go up. Insurance companies aren't in the business of losing money. At the end of the day the of insurance fraud will be paid for by honest people.
The article asks
"Can a computer program be considered defamatory?"
The Grandparent says
"As far as I understood it, a person is rated by a website with some rating procedure the website worked out."
The parent replies with
"All by itself? Just a website doing things on its own?
Some human made a decision somewhere."
and I agree. I've not commented on any industry ratings. Neither have any of the posts before me. I am merely implying that you cannot hide behind a computer program or algorithm. Of course a computer program can be considered defamatory - but the person who wrote the program (or was responsible for it's output) would be complicite.
When you call me an idiot because I "don't understand that an industry rating depends on the faith of the people and the respect of the industry" at least wait until I offer an opinion on industry ratings before I do so.
And if my algorithm says that if your first and last name start with P you must be a PedoPhile can I call you one and hide behind math?
I think not.
As opposed to the US where it's just the Phone, the TV and your computer.
Privacy in the US isn't what it was anymore.
We do pay $xx,xxx.xx to continue living. It's called taxes. Or at least we do in Canada. In 2000 per the Fraser Institute the average family paid $25,000/year.
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source
http://oldfraser.lexi.net/media/media_releases/20
In Western Canada - the two high speed providers - limits are set.
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The 4 packages Telus offers (per their website) are:
Download/Upload usage
60 GB/mo. - $45.95/month
60 GB/mo. - $40.95/month
30 GB/mo. - $31.95/month
10 GB/mo. - $16.95/month
source (http://www.mytelus.com/internet/highspeed/prices
The 4 packages Shaw offers (per their website) are:
Download/Upload usage
150 GB/mo. - $99.95/month
100 GB/mo. - $48.95/month
60 GB/mo. - $38.95/month
10 GB/mo. - $29.95/month ($20 if you have TV as well)
source (http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/Intern
As always there is fine print - ie, Service Agreements with Telus and you need to purchase your Modem with Shaw but I'm posting here re bandwidth and that information is clearly listed with limits.
Which is exactly what happened on Mars....albeit accidentally....
From the article....the dead 6th wheel's new mission is as a plow of sorts.....
"One of Spirit's six wheels no longer rotates, so it leaves a deep track as it drags through soil. That churning has exposed several patches of bright soil, leading to some of Spirit's biggest discoveries at Gusev, including this recent discovery. "
I bought my parents a pair of mountain bikes. They ride the paved trails in my town and have never had any problems. Not even a flat tire. No bent rims, skinned knees at all. The bikes I got them were low end $300 models with no shocks or anything. They do, after encouragement, wear there helmets.
My nephew, on the hand, spent $2200 on his fully loaded rider complete with front and rear shocks. He also invested in a high end helment, gloves and other top notch equipment. He has bent at least 3 rims and broken a shock. He even dislocated his shoulder last October. Flat tires are such a common theme that he brings extra tubes and a pump with him on his rides!
Just like your analogy, someone who actually uses a toy with reckless abandon has problem. Someone who "rides the paved path" does so safely. This works with computers too. You ride the downhill dirt trails and execute jumps you may have more problems. Simple really.