I wouldn't. I'd wait to see it reviewed. The most important part of my phone is that I used it to make and receive calls. Nintendo doesn't have a history in that market.
This seems to be the popular sentiment. What you are saying is mostly true...in regards to sales being down. But I think Nintendo is absolutely correct to be focusing on competing with Apple. The iPhone, iPad, etc are playing right in to its market. If you have an iPhone, and it has plenty of games to keep you entertained, you probably are less likely to buy a handheld. And I am sure Apple is eating in to some of their potential market already so I don't think it is totally invalid to claim it is a factor in their sales drop.
I'm with you. Slashdot is way too cynical about games these days. That's the nice way of putting. I think emo is the perfect way to describe these people.
Why would it effect users? Unless the user is being a moron and naming things strange (such that they make multiple files with different capitalizations that mean different things to them) then I don't see how, as a user, you run in to any issues. From a GUI perspective, you just click on the file. From command line, you just tab auto-complete it. I think this is one of those "problem exists between keyboard and chair" sort of thing.
Except in this "debate", obviously things are always ignored or omitted that make the whole thing silly. Games I own 10 years ago can't even be played on my modern OS. So what do we do? Either buy them on the cheap from services that provide updates to the old game or get an emulator and download a copy of the game. By the time Steam shuts down (if it ever does in the near future) there will be plenty of work arounds. So yeah, you can say I am "renting" it, but in reality I'll still be able to play it no matter what they do.
You crack me up. If this was the RIAA doing this you would be flipping out. But because it is beloved Apple, suddenly it is ok because corporations don't have "instant total information awareness". Call evil out when it is evil, even when you like their products.
Ugh. Yeah, everyone has biases...duh. But are you telling me you have the inability to rise above your biases? I might be predisposed to believe certain things, but by looking for facts I will be able to correct those biased beliefs. That's what the concept of journalism is all about. Searching for facts and reporting them without your personal or corporation bias.
The concept that "all journalism is biased" is floated out there by Fox News to justify the garbage that they spew. "Sure, we have bias, but everyone does so that makes it ok for us to lie constantly!" No, no it doesn't. There are journalists dedicated to their profession, but they are getting harder to find. Telling people what they want to hear sells better to morons than actual news. Unfortunately, the majority of people are morons so we all have to suffer for their need to reinforce their misguided beliefs.
Why did you not bold the "to severe hackers" part as well? Most people would view that as a good thing and another reason why they would want to go through Steam.
He has heard of somewhere at some time in history someone had trouble with Steam. This has turned in to a personal experience for him and will fight against the evil of Steam no matter in what form. It doesn't matter what anyone says to defend Steam, he comes here because he knows that when he bashes DRM he is part of the "cool" crowd and gains a bunch of karma. Anyone who disagrees is instantly labeled an apologist and all their arguments are rendered moot. It is the slightly more mature form of the "lalala sticking fingers in ears" form of debate.
I never really understood why companies like EA didn't just get in on the used game market themselves. Pay a little more for games, sell them a little cheaper. It would drive the brick and mortar used game shops out of business and then they could control the market.
You are looking at games in the past with rose colored glasses. There are a lot of great games out right now. More than I can keep up with. There are tons of crap games in the past as well. We just bought the good ones and played those.
But maybe you and I like different genres or something. If you read games.slashdot every day I think you lose perspective. Everyone on here just complains about everything. It's a big circle jerk of people all saying how bad it is instead of focusing on how great we have it. We have three solid consoles all competing for our attention (+ the PC!). We have many games studios with proven track records, some better than others, and more access to indie games than ever before. Yeah, some companies have bad DRM...so avoid them. There still is more quality games coming out today than at any point in our history. I think when you are young, you are much less discriminating.
Why does it matter if it is on the disc or something that you download? I can understand why people don't like it...but if they want to charge extra for something it really doesn't matter if the data exists on the physical media or on some server. Windows has done this with all the different versions of its OS on one CD. The OS that installs is the one you have a key for.
I buy stuff new generally so not really an issue to me. But I really don't see what the big deal is about this as long as they mark them clearly that if you buy it used you will need to pony up an extra $10 to get the other maps or content. If people don't like it, don't support the company.
I think that is a silly reason to avoid great games. If for some reason the stars align and evil spreads across the galaxy and Steam shuts down and doesn't release the games from its wicked clutches, just go pirate the game. It's not that hard.
Despite you posting on games articles constantly, I don't think you actually like games. I think you just like complaining about your little moral crusades. Quite honestly, Steam really has very few issues for anyone with broadband. I have no issues playing games through it. If you are worried about not being able to sell it, wait for it to come down in price because Steam will have great deals every week.
But I think you enjoy complaining about DRM and the definition of piracy more than you actually enjoy games.
Your concept of intrusive is different than what most people use with regards to Steam. When people complain about intrusive it generally has to do being able to play the game or limited number of installs or having to run a CD in your drive. With Steam, you open it up and you play your game. If you get another computer, you log in with your account, download the games you want, and are done. It is quite convenient and not intrusive (in that sense).
You are like the opposite of the annoying Steam fanboys you complain about. You are the anti-fanboy making any excuse you can to bash Steam.
It is a reasonable DRM that will work for the vast majority of people. It doesn't for you and a few other people. It sucks, but if you don't like it, don't use Steam.
He's serious. The Wii is great for social gaming. For those of us who grew up on Nintendo though, the 1st party games are getting pretty tired. I mean, Mario is in every single game? Come on. He isn't a compelling character. Nintendo has become really lazy with character design just relying on past franchises to cash in.
So if you are tired of the same old platformers with the same story and want to play games, then Nintendo's lineup is easily the worst.
Your point about it outselling is largely irrelevant. Nintendo had the exact same first party games in its less console and it sold the worst. They didn't make better games, they made the cheapest console with a control scheme that was more intuitive to non-gamers. It's great that Nintendo has found a new market and it making tons of money. But I am glad there is the option of getting a 360 or a PS3 otherwise I'd be an unhappy gamer. The Wii isn't made for gamers, its made to make money. It tried to appeal to everyone in such a way that it lost its soul.
Imagine how many times you have social occasions with your whole family and grandma. Now imagine when you don't have that situation. That's why I have a 360; it actually gets played. Rock band can fill the role of the game I dust off for parties or family occasions.
All Nintendo really is for the gamers that grew up with Nintendo are the few first party titles. Many other big game companies have left to develop on other platforms. Nintendo hit on the right price point and a control scheme non-gamers can get. That's great. But for actual gamers (and I don't mean hardcore, just those of us growing up playing and loving games) the Wii is the worst of the three consoles this generation.
I don't think graphics make a game, but I do think graphical capabilities can be more immersive. I do think having more power allows for better AI and more complex engines. People get so wrapped up in sales that they seem to forget the most important part. The games. And Nintendo is going for profit rather than delivering something that has the highest number of great games.
I don't agree with the guy. But I also don't agree that the reason the Wii sells more hardware is because of the games. It's the cheapest and least complicated and thus more easily accepted by the masses. I think that has more to do with its sales than anything else. Anecdotal...but everyone I know with a Wii doesn't touch the thing anymore other than maybe to dust it off for a party.
You are making the same mistake he is. Your point that the hardware doesn't make the games. I will argue that the number of games sold doesn't not prove the quality of the game, especially when it is bundled with the console.
Quite frankly the Wii has the fewest games I am interested in playing. The 360 has the most. That is why I have the 360. All these other arguments like profit, attach rate, number of consoles sold, are stupid arguments for fanboys.
This is a fanboy argument. As a gamer, I don't care if Nintendo is making tons of money. I care about playing games that I will enjoy. The Wii has the least compelling line-up of the three. So good for Nintendo for making money, but I'm not going to buy it.
Do I feel bad that my 360 doesn't sell as well as the Wii or that MS is making less of a profit? Of course not, why would I care about their financials. I just care that they release games I want to play faster than I can beat them.
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I wouldn't. I'd wait to see it reviewed. The most important part of my phone is that I used it to make and receive calls. Nintendo doesn't have a history in that market.
This seems to be the popular sentiment. What you are saying is mostly true...in regards to sales being down. But I think Nintendo is absolutely correct to be focusing on competing with Apple. The iPhone, iPad, etc are playing right in to its market. If you have an iPhone, and it has plenty of games to keep you entertained, you probably are less likely to buy a handheld. And I am sure Apple is eating in to some of their potential market already so I don't think it is totally invalid to claim it is a factor in their sales drop.
I'm with you. Slashdot is way too cynical about games these days. That's the nice way of putting. I think emo is the perfect way to describe these people.
Why would it effect users? Unless the user is being a moron and naming things strange (such that they make multiple files with different capitalizations that mean different things to them) then I don't see how, as a user, you run in to any issues. From a GUI perspective, you just click on the file. From command line, you just tab auto-complete it. I think this is one of those "problem exists between keyboard and chair" sort of thing.
Except in this "debate", obviously things are always ignored or omitted that make the whole thing silly. Games I own 10 years ago can't even be played on my modern OS. So what do we do? Either buy them on the cheap from services that provide updates to the old game or get an emulator and download a copy of the game. By the time Steam shuts down (if it ever does in the near future) there will be plenty of work arounds. So yeah, you can say I am "renting" it, but in reality I'll still be able to play it no matter what they do.
You crack me up. If this was the RIAA doing this you would be flipping out. But because it is beloved Apple, suddenly it is ok because corporations don't have "instant total information awareness". Call evil out when it is evil, even when you like their products.
This post is better than the article. Slashdot should just directly link to this post. Net Neutrality is something all Slashdot should just agree on.
Ugh. Yeah, everyone has biases...duh. But are you telling me you have the inability to rise above your biases? I might be predisposed to believe certain things, but by looking for facts I will be able to correct those biased beliefs. That's what the concept of journalism is all about. Searching for facts and reporting them without your personal or corporation bias.
The concept that "all journalism is biased" is floated out there by Fox News to justify the garbage that they spew. "Sure, we have bias, but everyone does so that makes it ok for us to lie constantly!" No, no it doesn't. There are journalists dedicated to their profession, but they are getting harder to find. Telling people what they want to hear sells better to morons than actual news. Unfortunately, the majority of people are morons so we all have to suffer for their need to reinforce their misguided beliefs.
Why did you not bold the "to severe hackers" part as well? Most people would view that as a good thing and another reason why they would want to go through Steam.
Because many of their other games are through Steam. So if they get a new system all their games will be on Steam and readily available to download?
He has heard of somewhere at some time in history someone had trouble with Steam. This has turned in to a personal experience for him and will fight against the evil of Steam no matter in what form. It doesn't matter what anyone says to defend Steam, he comes here because he knows that when he bashes DRM he is part of the "cool" crowd and gains a bunch of karma. Anyone who disagrees is instantly labeled an apologist and all their arguments are rendered moot. It is the slightly more mature form of the "lalala sticking fingers in ears" form of debate.
Hmm, so you are saying people should mod you Troll or Flamebait...interesting!
I never really understood why companies like EA didn't just get in on the used game market themselves. Pay a little more for games, sell them a little cheaper. It would drive the brick and mortar used game shops out of business and then they could control the market.
You are looking at games in the past with rose colored glasses. There are a lot of great games out right now. More than I can keep up with. There are tons of crap games in the past as well. We just bought the good ones and played those.
But maybe you and I like different genres or something. If you read games.slashdot every day I think you lose perspective. Everyone on here just complains about everything. It's a big circle jerk of people all saying how bad it is instead of focusing on how great we have it. We have three solid consoles all competing for our attention (+ the PC!). We have many games studios with proven track records, some better than others, and more access to indie games than ever before. Yeah, some companies have bad DRM...so avoid them. There still is more quality games coming out today than at any point in our history. I think when you are young, you are much less discriminating.
Why does it matter if it is on the disc or something that you download? I can understand why people don't like it...but if they want to charge extra for something it really doesn't matter if the data exists on the physical media or on some server. Windows has done this with all the different versions of its OS on one CD. The OS that installs is the one you have a key for.
I buy stuff new generally so not really an issue to me. But I really don't see what the big deal is about this as long as they mark them clearly that if you buy it used you will need to pony up an extra $10 to get the other maps or content. If people don't like it, don't support the company.
I think that is a silly reason to avoid great games. If for some reason the stars align and evil spreads across the galaxy and Steam shuts down and doesn't release the games from its wicked clutches, just go pirate the game. It's not that hard.
Despite you posting on games articles constantly, I don't think you actually like games. I think you just like complaining about your little moral crusades. Quite honestly, Steam really has very few issues for anyone with broadband. I have no issues playing games through it. If you are worried about not being able to sell it, wait for it to come down in price because Steam will have great deals every week.
But I think you enjoy complaining about DRM and the definition of piracy more than you actually enjoy games.
Your concept of intrusive is different than what most people use with regards to Steam. When people complain about intrusive it generally has to do being able to play the game or limited number of installs or having to run a CD in your drive. With Steam, you open it up and you play your game. If you get another computer, you log in with your account, download the games you want, and are done. It is quite convenient and not intrusive (in that sense).
It doesn't remember the password? Right.
You are like the opposite of the annoying Steam fanboys you complain about. You are the anti-fanboy making any excuse you can to bash Steam.
It is a reasonable DRM that will work for the vast majority of people. It doesn't for you and a few other people. It sucks, but if you don't like it, don't use Steam.
Is anything 100% under your control?
He's serious. The Wii is great for social gaming. For those of us who grew up on Nintendo though, the 1st party games are getting pretty tired. I mean, Mario is in every single game? Come on. He isn't a compelling character. Nintendo has become really lazy with character design just relying on past franchises to cash in.
So if you are tired of the same old platformers with the same story and want to play games, then Nintendo's lineup is easily the worst.
Your point about it outselling is largely irrelevant. Nintendo had the exact same first party games in its less console and it sold the worst. They didn't make better games, they made the cheapest console with a control scheme that was more intuitive to non-gamers. It's great that Nintendo has found a new market and it making tons of money. But I am glad there is the option of getting a 360 or a PS3 otherwise I'd be an unhappy gamer. The Wii isn't made for gamers, its made to make money. It tried to appeal to everyone in such a way that it lost its soul.
Imagine how many times you have social occasions with your whole family and grandma. Now imagine when you don't have that situation. That's why I have a 360; it actually gets played. Rock band can fill the role of the game I dust off for parties or family occasions.
All Nintendo really is for the gamers that grew up with Nintendo are the few first party titles. Many other big game companies have left to develop on other platforms. Nintendo hit on the right price point and a control scheme non-gamers can get. That's great. But for actual gamers (and I don't mean hardcore, just those of us growing up playing and loving games) the Wii is the worst of the three consoles this generation.
I don't think graphics make a game, but I do think graphical capabilities can be more immersive. I do think having more power allows for better AI and more complex engines. People get so wrapped up in sales that they seem to forget the most important part. The games. And Nintendo is going for profit rather than delivering something that has the highest number of great games.
I don't agree with the guy. But I also don't agree that the reason the Wii sells more hardware is because of the games. It's the cheapest and least complicated and thus more easily accepted by the masses. I think that has more to do with its sales than anything else. Anecdotal...but everyone I know with a Wii doesn't touch the thing anymore other than maybe to dust it off for a party.
You are making the same mistake he is. Your point that the hardware doesn't make the games. I will argue that the number of games sold doesn't not prove the quality of the game, especially when it is bundled with the console.
Quite frankly the Wii has the fewest games I am interested in playing. The 360 has the most. That is why I have the 360. All these other arguments like profit, attach rate, number of consoles sold, are stupid arguments for fanboys.
This is a fanboy argument. As a gamer, I don't care if Nintendo is making tons of money. I care about playing games that I will enjoy. The Wii has the least compelling line-up of the three. So good for Nintendo for making money, but I'm not going to buy it.
Do I feel bad that my 360 doesn't sell as well as the Wii or that MS is making less of a profit? Of course not, why would I care about their financials. I just care that they release games I want to play faster than I can beat them.