No, if you look internationally is exactly what the GP post said. If you look specifically at market sectors you can come up with your order. But the fact is...a developer is going to look at these numbers and say, "Even though the Wii has sold more hardware, a blockbuster game sells better on the 360 then it does the Wii." That is dangerous for Nintendo.
The Wii is doing well because Nintendo always does well, even when they're not on top. Not only do they do well, but they do well without being the most technically advanced - because they pursue a wider market, rather than competing more heavily in a single one (such as the recent widespread dedication to hard core gamers, which turned out to be a mistake as HCG's were the most vocal, but not the most profitable).
Huh? So Nintendo does well even when it isn't doing well? I certainly agree that it is always extremely profitable. But last round they really lost with the GameCube. Nintendo is actually the opposite of what you say. Traditionally they have targeted a narrower group of people than the other consoles - mainly children. Now before people get up in arms, I am not saying adults can't enjoy those games as well, that is just where Nintendo was focused given their history of rejecting non-family friendly titles. The Wii is a departure from their past strategy. They were doing the same upgrade hardware/make more complex controllers just like everyone else (heck, they basically invented that). This time they decided to simplify the controller and make games that would appeal to everyone. Combine this with having something that is easy to design for (you don't have to know much more than when you programmed for the GameCube) and the lowest price and you have a winner. It's absolutely brilliant. Even if it seems obvious in retrospect, only the fanboys dreamed that Nintendo would dominate this much.
But yeah, it isn't a surprise that the least technically advanced console is selling the best if you look at history. Which console won the last round? Which was technically the weakest? That's right, the PS2.
Umm, I don't agree with how you define "hardcore gamer". To me, you would be a hardcore gamer. It has nothing to do with what console you buy, it is how much you play and to what depth. Hardcore is the opposite of a casual gamer in that sense. So your rant doesn't make any sense to me.
Yeah, some hardcore gamers only play one genre. The FPS gamer stereotype of the beer swilling frat boy. I don't see why the nerd stereotype is so threatened by these people. They like something different than us. Good for them...there are still plenty of good games for us nerds (but then again, maybe I am on because I enjoy and am good at all the genres).
I'm sorry...if you play games a lot, you are going to get better than people who don't play them a lot. How is this surprising to you? This is true in every aspect of life. The fact that your friends can compete with you at Wii sports either says that you aren't as good at them as you think or that the game has so many random elements to it that you can't gain any real skill in them.
And as far as the Wii goes...it's not like I haven't had all my non-gamer friends come over and play guitar hero and enjoy it. You just come off as another bitter Nintendo fanboy. But Nintendo is dominant this round? Why are you still acting so threatened? I just don't understand people like you. This is the best time to be a gamer. So many choices. Enjoy as many as you can...and hope as many other people can find enjoyment as well. In other words, stop saying "fuck you" to people who have different tastes.
I'm confused...were you referring to yourself when you stated, "There is fanboyism, and there is just plain retardation. So pathetic."
I don't own a 360. And Halo 3 won't sell me the system. But I will be buying one next month for Blue Dragon and Eternal Sonata. I'd also like to plays Gears of War and a few other "classic" titles. Quite frankly, the 360 has the best line up of games right now for the type of games I like. I am sure eventually I will also pick up a Wii and PS3 when those have exclusives that I care about.
As far as Halo 3 goes...that is the game that sold tons of the original Xbox. A lot of Halo fans have waited to purchase the 360 for this game specifically. Yeah, Halo isn't popular on Slashdot. But this anti MS/Halo bias doesn't exist in the rest of the world. The sad thing is that a lot of the things you say aren't even factual. Like your comments on Halo 3's graphics. You just aren't familiar with the concept of a beta.
Really, the only person who came off as a fanboy in this thread is you. And you didn't even have the guts to put your name behind your opinion. Sad.
I think it has more to do with the price than the games at this point. More people can afford the Wii. Wii Sports is cute enough that casuals can pick it up. The other consoles are just too expensive for a lot of people at current prices. Just look at how well PS2s are still selling.
I think you hit on the problem in your post. Since Slashdot is extremely biased (Nintendo, Linux, Apple), the buy out from Microsoft and releasing it on the Xbox rather than the Mac is going to count doubly against the game. I think if this was released on the Mac like originally intended, Slashdot would be talking about how great the game is(story, features, etc). I also think that if they did this Halo wouldn't be half as popular as it is today.
As a long time FPS player, I enjoyed Halo. I don't think it is fantastic (probably because I don't like FPS's as much on consoles) but it is certainly worth playing. You just have to come on Slashdot prepared that people are not rational...but there is always a few gem posts that cut through the bias and makes it worth reading.
I don't understand why you have to be derogatory to the guy. He doesn't like Zelda: TP. You love it. No need to take it down to a personal level. He is stating his opinion...no matter what you say you can't invalidate his opinion by telling him how he just doesn't get it. I am sure the guy can enjoy games with "real" story...whatever that means. You are playing a video game you know...it isn't really very real.
You have to be kidding. Try Second Life. And no one on here even likes that game (ok, maybe a few). It surprises me that there are this little on Halo 3 and World of Warcraft considering they are have more fans and players than any other games. Also, it surprises me that people come in and complain about it. I don't get enough games articles in a day. If I am not interested in something, I just don't read about it.
but they never give you the solution. I'm sorry, if every movie was 100 hours long and had hidden content revealed based on some obscure action you do, they would be doing the same thing. Oblivion is the perfect example. If some dumb lawyer said this to me I would drop a copy of Oblivion on his desk and tell him to give me a complete review of all the content in the game. I imagine he would come back to me some time in 2008. Then I would tell him to get all the online mods and expansion packs.
Yeah, I didn't mind the skill system or the complexity (though, I really didn't think it was all that complex, just more of a clunky UI than anything). Other than the lag, my main problem was that Eve is one of those MMOs you really have to dedicate yourself to to get in to it. I tend to have less time these days (and patience) to give games as I like to balance my life with other stuff.
I think you are right that they just hope people subscribe and don't play (the whole I am leveling while I am not playing so I don't have to log in). Just seems that having a business model revolve around hoping the people who pay don't play isn't really healthy for your game.
I wouldn't be surprised...anything pro-Nintendo or pro-Apple tends to get modded that way. I guess I should just accept that...I just wish that more intelligent debate would be modded up rather than just one side all the time. I actually meant what I wrote to be funny, but of course it gets modded troll;)
I am curious why you think a Wii Zapper is a gimmick 30 somethings should be excited for? It seems the epitome of something targeted towards younger audiences. The sort of "ooh, I get to shoot stuff with a gun" crowd. Other than the nostalgia of the light gun for the 8-bit Nintendo, I really don't see this hitting our (I'll say that even though I am not quite a 30-something yet but close enough) age group.
Don't get me wrong, I do Like Nintendo. I just don't think it is going to cure cancer and cause peace in the Middle East.
It always surprises me Eve is trying to get more people to play their game. Obviously, it makes sense from a business standpoint...but every time I go back and try it out they have incredible lag problem due to their shard being over-populated. At a certain point you have to say...yeah, it's really cool we can say that we have the most people in a single universe, but maybe we should have another one so that the play experience is better and stop leaving large warfare battles to random chance of which side gets control of their ships first through the lag.
Oh jeez. Do you even listen to yourself? Amazing that astroturf like this gets modded up just because it is pro-Wii.
The bias is getting tiring to me on this site. If I said: Since getting an Xbox360 my relationship with my wife has gotten so much better. With all the amazing Live arcade games we spend more time together than in separate rooms. Also, because we spend so much more time together...we are having more sex thus losing tons of weight. Thank you for saving our marriage! Also, with such a huge line up of games, all our friends are dieing to come over. Even my boss comes over on weekends and plays. The Xbox360 is probably the reason why I was the youngest member of the team to ever get promoted. And last month, we had an awful rain storm. The winds were so severe it collapsed our roof. Thank god our brand new kitten was snuggled up to the warm 360 or he would have been flat! The 360 is so sturdy it barely had a scratch!
Sounds pretty silly? Yeah, that's what you sound like to me.
Smart move not listing "Christians". But really...it seems like most groups of people try to impose their beliefs on others. Even I am guilty, I try to make everyone I know watch Firefly with me.
Wrong. With hardware, it is like having a PS2 inside your PS3. You don't need to patch your PS2 every time a new games comes out for it, do you? Like other said, it has to do with it being cheaper and the ability to improve the graphics of the older games at the cost of not having full compatibility with most titles.
Huh? You are too busy worrying about a game that you don't even play? I'd say that you are unique and there aren't a bunch of people suffering anxiety attacks because they are worried that World of Warcraft is stifling creativity in gaming. Even though you don't make any sense, let me put these fears to rest. For gaming to be accepted as an art form and accepted by society, we need a game like WoW. You need a game that is a hit with so many people so that it becomes known to people who don't play the game. Once society recognizes enough people play games, it will become a "normal" activity...rather than something to be feared by parents and played by children and nerds. So stop worrying...WoW is good for gaming.
How could you possibly believe that is right? Just look at the PS2...it has tons of crappy games...but it also has tons of great games. Let the people choose what they want to play...and the one with the most choices is going to do well. Bad games didn't ruin the Gamecube, that's for sure. Nintendo is much less strict now and many games coming out for the Wii are being rated extremely low. While not good for consumers, it is better for Nintendo to give more people a chance. Though the initial sales has more to do with the Wii's price than game line up at this point. And the fact that it is in so many homes will make developers want to make more games for it.
You have to be kidding. Out of all the games out there you pick the one which is just one giant ad. It is not only an ad for the music, but all of the "realistic" touches they have like buying the guitar are all just cleverly placed ads. Don't get me wrong..I own the game and love it...but sheesh, open your eyes.
How would he know if the guy was committing a crime or not? He refused to cooperate. All the guy had to do was show his receipt and none of this would have happened. But no...he chose to be a dick. They thought the guy was stealing something. So when the cop shows up and he refuses to show identification...the cop thinks the guy is lying and arrests him. Also, we are hearing his side of things, not the cop's or the store's. It surprises me that people would want to donate money to this moron. It is clear he just likes the attention. Any normal person would just show their receipt and be happily on their way. People like this guy is annoying and are a waste of the time for the store and the police. And now he is suing...putting more money in to the pocket of lawyers...all this crap could be avoided if he wasn't such a pretentious dick.
Generally if you number examples, you have more than one. In any case, your example doesn't prove anything about the Wii. You are basically saying an FPS (or any game) is going to be better if it is on the Wii. Did your short little memory already forget about Red Steel? So yes, good games have nothing to do with the platform that it is on. In fact, if you actually look at the majority of the games on the Wii (that aren't put out by Nintendo) they have extremely low ratings.
You Wii fanboys really need to give it a rest. It seems you have become even worse than Sony and MS fanboys ever since the Wii actually sold well. Every article on the PS3 you have to talk about your Wii. Every article on Halo you have to bring up Metroid. You guys are worse than astroturfers because you actually believe the garbage you are spewing.
All three consoles bring something to the table. It is great that we have a choice between them. Just because you are too poor or strange to own multiple consoles doesn't mean that you have to support one so much that you stop being rational.
Is anyone else getting sick of tags that "answer" the question asked in the subject? It's fine that Vista SP1 means nothing to you...but I really don't need to see it. Can we just ban people that add stupid tags?
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No, if you look internationally is exactly what the GP post said. If you look specifically at market sectors you can come up with your order. But the fact is...a developer is going to look at these numbers and say, "Even though the Wii has sold more hardware, a blockbuster game sells better on the 360 then it does the Wii." That is dangerous for Nintendo.
The Wii is doing well because Nintendo always does well, even when they're not on top. Not only do they do well, but they do well without being the most technically advanced - because they pursue a wider market, rather than competing more heavily in a single one (such as the recent widespread dedication to hard core gamers, which turned out to be a mistake as HCG's were the most vocal, but not the most profitable).
Huh? So Nintendo does well even when it isn't doing well? I certainly agree that it is always extremely profitable. But last round they really lost with the GameCube. Nintendo is actually the opposite of what you say. Traditionally they have targeted a narrower group of people than the other consoles - mainly children. Now before people get up in arms, I am not saying adults can't enjoy those games as well, that is just where Nintendo was focused given their history of rejecting non-family friendly titles. The Wii is a departure from their past strategy. They were doing the same upgrade hardware/make more complex controllers just like everyone else (heck, they basically invented that). This time they decided to simplify the controller and make games that would appeal to everyone. Combine this with having something that is easy to design for (you don't have to know much more than when you programmed for the GameCube) and the lowest price and you have a winner. It's absolutely brilliant. Even if it seems obvious in retrospect, only the fanboys dreamed that Nintendo would dominate this much.
But yeah, it isn't a surprise that the least technically advanced console is selling the best if you look at history. Which console won the last round? Which was technically the weakest? That's right, the PS2.
Umm, I don't agree with how you define "hardcore gamer". To me, you would be a hardcore gamer. It has nothing to do with what console you buy, it is how much you play and to what depth. Hardcore is the opposite of a casual gamer in that sense. So your rant doesn't make any sense to me.
Yeah, some hardcore gamers only play one genre. The FPS gamer stereotype of the beer swilling frat boy. I don't see why the nerd stereotype is so threatened by these people. They like something different than us. Good for them...there are still plenty of good games for us nerds (but then again, maybe I am on because I enjoy and am good at all the genres).
I'm sorry...if you play games a lot, you are going to get better than people who don't play them a lot. How is this surprising to you? This is true in every aspect of life. The fact that your friends can compete with you at Wii sports either says that you aren't as good at them as you think or that the game has so many random elements to it that you can't gain any real skill in them.
And as far as the Wii goes...it's not like I haven't had all my non-gamer friends come over and play guitar hero and enjoy it. You just come off as another bitter Nintendo fanboy. But Nintendo is dominant this round? Why are you still acting so threatened? I just don't understand people like you. This is the best time to be a gamer. So many choices. Enjoy as many as you can...and hope as many other people can find enjoyment as well. In other words, stop saying "fuck you" to people who have different tastes.
I'm confused...were you referring to yourself when you stated, "There is fanboyism, and there is just plain retardation. So pathetic."
I don't own a 360. And Halo 3 won't sell me the system. But I will be buying one next month for Blue Dragon and Eternal Sonata. I'd also like to plays Gears of War and a few other "classic" titles. Quite frankly, the 360 has the best line up of games right now for the type of games I like. I am sure eventually I will also pick up a Wii and PS3 when those have exclusives that I care about.
As far as Halo 3 goes...that is the game that sold tons of the original Xbox. A lot of Halo fans have waited to purchase the 360 for this game specifically. Yeah, Halo isn't popular on Slashdot. But this anti MS/Halo bias doesn't exist in the rest of the world. The sad thing is that a lot of the things you say aren't even factual. Like your comments on Halo 3's graphics. You just aren't familiar with the concept of a beta.
Really, the only person who came off as a fanboy in this thread is you. And you didn't even have the guts to put your name behind your opinion. Sad.
I think it has more to do with the price than the games at this point. More people can afford the Wii. Wii Sports is cute enough that casuals can pick it up. The other consoles are just too expensive for a lot of people at current prices. Just look at how well PS2s are still selling.
I think you hit on the problem in your post. Since Slashdot is extremely biased (Nintendo, Linux, Apple), the buy out from Microsoft and releasing it on the Xbox rather than the Mac is going to count doubly against the game. I think if this was released on the Mac like originally intended, Slashdot would be talking about how great the game is(story, features, etc). I also think that if they did this Halo wouldn't be half as popular as it is today.
As a long time FPS player, I enjoyed Halo. I don't think it is fantastic (probably because I don't like FPS's as much on consoles) but it is certainly worth playing. You just have to come on Slashdot prepared that people are not rational...but there is always a few gem posts that cut through the bias and makes it worth reading.
I don't understand why you have to be derogatory to the guy. He doesn't like Zelda: TP. You love it. No need to take it down to a personal level. He is stating his opinion...no matter what you say you can't invalidate his opinion by telling him how he just doesn't get it. I am sure the guy can enjoy games with "real" story...whatever that means. You are playing a video game you know...it isn't really very real.
Get used to it. Slashdot hates everything that is popular. Except Apple for some reason. Go figure :)
You have to be kidding. Try Second Life. And no one on here even likes that game (ok, maybe a few). It surprises me that there are this little on Halo 3 and World of Warcraft considering they are have more fans and players than any other games. Also, it surprises me that people come in and complain about it. I don't get enough games articles in a day. If I am not interested in something, I just don't read about it.
There are already tons of examples for that being a successful model. Maple Story, for example.
Clearly you haven't been to the Eve forums then :)
It always impresses me. No matter how jaded or cynical I become, there is always someone on Slashdot that makes me look normal...even optimistic!
but they never give you the solution. I'm sorry, if every movie was 100 hours long and had hidden content revealed based on some obscure action you do, they would be doing the same thing. Oblivion is the perfect example. If some dumb lawyer said this to me I would drop a copy of Oblivion on his desk and tell him to give me a complete review of all the content in the game. I imagine he would come back to me some time in 2008. Then I would tell him to get all the online mods and expansion packs.
Yeah, I didn't mind the skill system or the complexity (though, I really didn't think it was all that complex, just more of a clunky UI than anything). Other than the lag, my main problem was that Eve is one of those MMOs you really have to dedicate yourself to to get in to it. I tend to have less time these days (and patience) to give games as I like to balance my life with other stuff.
I think you are right that they just hope people subscribe and don't play (the whole I am leveling while I am not playing so I don't have to log in). Just seems that having a business model revolve around hoping the people who pay don't play isn't really healthy for your game.
I wouldn't be surprised...anything pro-Nintendo or pro-Apple tends to get modded that way. I guess I should just accept that...I just wish that more intelligent debate would be modded up rather than just one side all the time. I actually meant what I wrote to be funny, but of course it gets modded troll ;)
I am curious why you think a Wii Zapper is a gimmick 30 somethings should be excited for? It seems the epitome of something targeted towards younger audiences. The sort of "ooh, I get to shoot stuff with a gun" crowd. Other than the nostalgia of the light gun for the 8-bit Nintendo, I really don't see this hitting our (I'll say that even though I am not quite a 30-something yet but close enough) age group.
Don't get me wrong, I do Like Nintendo. I just don't think it is going to cure cancer and cause peace in the Middle East.
It always surprises me Eve is trying to get more people to play their game. Obviously, it makes sense from a business standpoint...but every time I go back and try it out they have incredible lag problem due to their shard being over-populated. At a certain point you have to say...yeah, it's really cool we can say that we have the most people in a single universe, but maybe we should have another one so that the play experience is better and stop leaving large warfare battles to random chance of which side gets control of their ships first through the lag.
Oh jeez. Do you even listen to yourself? Amazing that astroturf like this gets modded up just because it is pro-Wii.
The bias is getting tiring to me on this site. If I said: Since getting an Xbox360 my relationship with my wife has gotten so much better. With all the amazing Live arcade games we spend more time together than in separate rooms. Also, because we spend so much more time together...we are having more sex thus losing tons of weight. Thank you for saving our marriage! Also, with such a huge line up of games, all our friends are dieing to come over. Even my boss comes over on weekends and plays. The Xbox360 is probably the reason why I was the youngest member of the team to ever get promoted. And last month, we had an awful rain storm. The winds were so severe it collapsed our roof. Thank god our brand new kitten was snuggled up to the warm 360 or he would have been flat! The 360 is so sturdy it barely had a scratch!
Sounds pretty silly? Yeah, that's what you sound like to me.
Smart move not listing "Christians". But really...it seems like most groups of people try to impose their beliefs on others. Even I am guilty, I try to make everyone I know watch Firefly with me.
Wrong. With hardware, it is like having a PS2 inside your PS3. You don't need to patch your PS2 every time a new games comes out for it, do you? Like other said, it has to do with it being cheaper and the ability to improve the graphics of the older games at the cost of not having full compatibility with most titles.
Huh? You are too busy worrying about a game that you don't even play? I'd say that you are unique and there aren't a bunch of people suffering anxiety attacks because they are worried that World of Warcraft is stifling creativity in gaming. Even though you don't make any sense, let me put these fears to rest. For gaming to be accepted as an art form and accepted by society, we need a game like WoW. You need a game that is a hit with so many people so that it becomes known to people who don't play the game. Once society recognizes enough people play games, it will become a "normal" activity...rather than something to be feared by parents and played by children and nerds. So stop worrying...WoW is good for gaming.
How could you possibly believe that is right? Just look at the PS2...it has tons of crappy games...but it also has tons of great games. Let the people choose what they want to play...and the one with the most choices is going to do well. Bad games didn't ruin the Gamecube, that's for sure. Nintendo is much less strict now and many games coming out for the Wii are being rated extremely low. While not good for consumers, it is better for Nintendo to give more people a chance. Though the initial sales has more to do with the Wii's price than game line up at this point. And the fact that it is in so many homes will make developers want to make more games for it.
You have to be kidding. Out of all the games out there you pick the one which is just one giant ad. It is not only an ad for the music, but all of the "realistic" touches they have like buying the guitar are all just cleverly placed ads. Don't get me wrong..I own the game and love it...but sheesh, open your eyes.
How would he know if the guy was committing a crime or not? He refused to cooperate. All the guy had to do was show his receipt and none of this would have happened. But no...he chose to be a dick. They thought the guy was stealing something. So when the cop shows up and he refuses to show identification...the cop thinks the guy is lying and arrests him. Also, we are hearing his side of things, not the cop's or the store's. It surprises me that people would want to donate money to this moron. It is clear he just likes the attention. Any normal person would just show their receipt and be happily on their way. People like this guy is annoying and are a waste of the time for the store and the police. And now he is suing...putting more money in to the pocket of lawyers...all this crap could be avoided if he wasn't such a pretentious dick.
Generally if you number examples, you have more than one. In any case, your example doesn't prove anything about the Wii. You are basically saying an FPS (or any game) is going to be better if it is on the Wii. Did your short little memory already forget about Red Steel? So yes, good games have nothing to do with the platform that it is on. In fact, if you actually look at the majority of the games on the Wii (that aren't put out by Nintendo) they have extremely low ratings.
You Wii fanboys really need to give it a rest. It seems you have become even worse than Sony and MS fanboys ever since the Wii actually sold well. Every article on the PS3 you have to talk about your Wii. Every article on Halo you have to bring up Metroid. You guys are worse than astroturfers because you actually believe the garbage you are spewing.
All three consoles bring something to the table. It is great that we have a choice between them. Just because you are too poor or strange to own multiple consoles doesn't mean that you have to support one so much that you stop being rational.
Is anyone else getting sick of tags that "answer" the question asked in the subject? It's fine that Vista SP1 means nothing to you...but I really don't need to see it. Can we just ban people that add stupid tags?