Hmm, did you actually install it? Sure, it didn't tell you beforehand that you needed libfam-devel, but that's fairly obvious from the error messages. Oh, and I admit, the fact that by default the executable was put into/usr/local/kde/bin (on my install anyway) was a little odd, but you can change that during the build process. Perhaps you could give some details as to what happened to you? (I have nothing to go on, since it worked fine on Mandrake 9.1 after I installed libfam-devel and moved the executable from kde/bin to bin/)
Isn't it better that we make ourselves harder to hit though? That's why it's important that the linux community continues creating quality coded products, without easy-access holes. Yes, people will find vulnerabilities. Is there a system that will never have vulnerabilities? That's like the notion of "100%"..You can protect 99.99999% of the time, but pure freak chance will always get you in the end. But at least those vulnerabilities will be fewer (hopefully?) than microsoft's products. At least the damn script kiddies won't be able to send out viruses? I remember when some Microsoft high-up guy was speaking on some major security hazard in Windows XP home edition (It was on grc.com a while back), he said (Basically) Why should we make it hard for hackers? They will find a way, so we shouldn't waste time trying to prevent it.
OK, they want to save costs, but leave the users out in the cold. NOT the people I want coding my operating system/office/internet browser. Until they take a firm view about actual "security", I will not trust them. Not that I really matter..I'm just a consumer; They could probably care less how I think of them.
This is "justified" and all..
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But I see this as strengthening SCOs position. I don't think DDoSing them off the net will keep the case from going to court, and if the judge hears "Oh, yeah, we were DDoSed after releasing our statement, because they all KNOW that we're just plain right" he/she might be more sympathetic. Of course, Judges aren't SUPPOSED to be sympathetic, but...
No, I'm not putting down the justice system. I just think illegal tactics shouldn't be used, and DDoSing in all it's forms is wrong. Think about it...What if the RIAA suddenly decided "Oh, it's ok to use DDoS attacks" and convinced people around the world to willingly use their computers as zombies, and attack various people sharing mp3s.
However, I must admit I was expecting this a little earlier. I just hope SCO wasn't hoping they'd get DDoSed. You'd have to be fairly stupid to not expect a DDoS attack.
So, it appears that SCO not only made completely false statements in the "complaint" made to the court system, but they also don't even know anything about the Linux community! (Those comments like 'Without IBM, Linux wouldn't be enterprise ready...blah blah' The fact is, IBM has only jumped in recently! Linux was very advanced before IBM came along!) From the article on linuxworld, it becomes apparent that this was written by some dinky technical writer, who has never used the internet, and did absolutely NO research (What about all that junk on GNU and GPL? COMPLETELY false!)
I hope whoever reviews this complaint has at least a fairly competent research team, so they can discover that many of the "facts" are actually completely false! This kind of thing makes me mad. I hate stupid parasites. They haven't got a leg to stand on, and they know it.
Or...The judge could just throw the case out as completely idiotic and have done with it. If you can prove something without evidence in the courts, then what else is the courts but a great debating society?
IMHO, this case has no place in the legal system, and SCO should be ruled in contempt of court if/when they get there. They have no facts. They have hearsay. They have no case. It'd be like me saying "OOOOH IBM has my propietary code look! they used it and they better pay up, chop chop! No, I can't show it to you! just pay! All your base are belong to us!!!!"
That was a very educational post, I think it should be modded up ^^; I hope that Lindows continues in the evolution as you put it; it is important to have intuitive systems for users, and GUI is the place to do it. It will be very interesting to see the advancements of Lindows in the future. I look forward to it, as with all distros =)
Mr. Robertson,
What are your plans (if any) for helping support the rest of the linux community. If more contributions were made back to the OSS community, then I think people would come to respect Lindows much more. Of course, as a corporation, you are totally entitled to do what you want to do. But this is an area where many feel the best strategy is to not get ahead at the expense of others, but to extend a helping hand back to the community that gave you life.
They will go after the users... But how will they go after everyone? Isn't that discrimination if you only take a few, and leave the rest which are doing the same thing? Do you think they're going to take on millions of people? That's a lot of money...If you charge 58$ million or whatever it is for four college students, and multiply that by even a million....That's a lot of friggin money. (millions of millions!) I don't know about you, but if the government started arresting millions of people, or even slapping down huge and unreasonable fines on millions of people, I'd be quickly leaving the country...I don't want to live in a country that incarcerates everyone because they use the internet to download music... Maybe if this were a Puritan state I could understand it, but I thought we left that mentality in the ditch somewheres a long time ago.
Regardless of whether stealing is OK or not, the truth is that money for apps comes mostly from corporations, not from individuals. I mean, come on, how many of the average income people honestly have enough money for 3DStudio MAX, or even Photoshop? Those are very expensive programs. Even microsoft Office is a lot of money. Most people just use whatever came with their computer, I.e. Word 6.0 or microsoft works, and paint (Or Paintshop pro! What a great cheap program! I love that program.) Only if you are devoted to the computer world will you be willing to give up money, which could be spent on something TANGIBLE, for a little application, that allows you to do work. The corporations are the ones who shell out the bucks for apps, and that's where the money is, and after all, they are the ones who are doing the work.
Oh dear, you employ deranged monkeys? No wonder you're so bitter.
I love Dreamweaver 4. It is the best. I must admit, Dreamweaver MX is not an improvement; the idea was cool. "Hey, look, Homesite and Dreamweaver, all in one!!" I really like Homesite, since it was very much like Bluefish (hey, I use bluefish so...), but when they put it in Dreamweaver, I feel it wasn't as good as it could have been.
My experiences with dreamweaver have been nice (i.e. Tables...PHEW, so much easier than by hand!), I haven't had much experience with using other people's javascript, I tend to use my own... I think it depends a lot on who's using the app. It's nice because newbies can get the job done (OK sloppily, but at least they can do it!) and pros can get what they want with minimum hassle. I like being able to see what I'm coding at the same time. Just my personal preference.
I'm so happy they were able to do this with wine (Office XP that is). Whatever anyone says, MSoffice is still dominant for various reasons, and making it usable on any number of operating systems is as it should be. Now, we just gotta make sure MS doesn't take credit for making MSoffice work on unix operating systems.... =P
OK. Number 1 reason I would see where we worry about the danger of robots is explicitly when they are operating in civilian environments. If a robot is walking around in a mall for example. Imagine (just imagine) of the possibility (however remote) of a baby crawling around the floor. OK it would never happen probably, but then there's that.00001% chance....
Anyway, that robot should instantly cease all current functions and initiate functions to disengage (or whatever Isamovian situation you can imagine), if it senses that it poses danger to a human. Not only that, but there should be an "arbiter" if you will, an embedded AI system independant of the actual robot, that will act as a failsafe system. There could probably be other failsafe designs, but that's for the dev teams to think up. If robots are to be accepted among us, they have to pose 0% danger. Not 0.001% danger.
Besides the civilian areas, I see it as an issue with military robots, since I see this as the biggest application of robotic technology. This is also one of the most complex, indeed, probably technically impossible. It is very difficult for even humans to discern if people are friend or foe. (take the friendly fire incidents in Iraq for example, and Vietnam for the classic one). It will be a while before robots will be usable on the ground, but once they are...It will be of enormous benefit to the country who has 'em. Of course, this could create a nation like those droids in star wars I. It's incredibly unlikely, but hey, there might be a government power hungry enough to want it...
I think the most immediate use of robots will be for reconaissance, and information gathering (i.e. spying). This would give them a limited ability to inflict damage (besides actually running into things). The degree of sophistication in programming will be incredible, but hey, that's our job isn't it;)
is still entirely oriented towards Windows computers. Everything is specifically designed (by the companies) to work...for windows. Not for linux. The fact that linux can get itself to work with so many different configurations without a lot of vendor support is frankly astonishing. Imagine windows, without the hardware market to support it. It'd be dead in the water. If linux got proper support from vendors (i.e. hardware support *cough* HP Scanjet anyone? *Cough*) it would be a much cleaner experience for a newbie. Mandrake 9.1 improved the install a LOT, and the nice fonts are definately an improvement over 9.0. So, of course, take her review with a grain of salt...She's using old distros, when linux is something constantly evolving. Windows has a completely different product design than linux does, with it's pros and cons.
No no, see, that's just a feature!! It was meant to do that!!!
*hasty buttcovering here*
Man, microsoft seems to be getting a lot of bad press lately, what with the NT 4 fiasco and now this. They certainly deserve it though, We should not be praising them for making things go slower and not supporting products they said they would. Makes me wonder what windows 2003 server will be like...
I agree. Less government is good. But it seems the people in power now want a police state, where everyone is monitored and controlled to ensure they are being a "good" citizen. I find it hilarious that the Republicans who were shouting "less government" oh, I don't know how many times, are now all for increased police authority and larger governmental agencies. Well, it'll all come out in the wash is all I can say.
Anyone know what ISP(s) serve those states, or have a lot of users in those states? This sounds kinda fishy that it would just HAPPEN to appear around the same time, and each bill is almost exactly the same. Sounds like a bit of corporate manipulation. Whatever happened to fair rights/users rights? Whoever is in those governments mobilizing this needs to be voted out! Can someone explain to me how ANY end user would want this kind of legislation? I thought this country was for the people, not the corporations. And no, corporations aren't like people. If you kill a person, they're dead. If you try to kill a corporation, it will just reform. Corporations are not people. (Why is Enron still around? A normal person would be in jail if they had done the kind of misdeeds they did)
Um, I think that it's obvious the French chose a side in the war, as Bush has said oftentimes in the past, "If you ain't with us, yore against us" (note cheesy imitation of texan accent here) So the french and the germans and the chinese and the russians and the canadians and the.... almost every other major nation the world are all TERRORISTS!!! KILL THEM ALLLLL!!!!!
*ahem* Sorry that was the caeser streak coming through.
What? They don't need food, or water, or medicine! They're poor people! They can survive on cardboard and sand! Sheesh, didn't you know that??? We all know how important cellphones are to life!!!! OMG I would die without my cellphone!!! And I don't eat any food either, I just take in my nutrients through osmosis!!
Oh, and I'm also a plasmoid being from a distant solar system.
It's possible that the reason they said this was that the developers who had partially moved over to linux, did not develop *entirely* for linux. They still developed mostly for windows. But, in the *future* they planned to develop more for linux. This can be taken to mean "More developers in the future for linux applications" = "Main focus of THESE developers = linux".
These developers weren't only using linux. Linux was just a little dessert on the side. The developers want to make it the main course, and put windows in the dustbin =)
go up 1000+%. Imagine all those annoying commercial jingles...constantly going in your head....AHHH MAKE IT STOPPP NOOOOOOOO
BTW what are the military applications of this? What's to stop them from making someone's head explode? I think the unstoppable noise would probably be the most annoying. How do you put brainplugs in?
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Hmm, did you actually install it? Sure, it didn't tell you beforehand that you needed libfam-devel, but that's fairly obvious from the error messages. Oh, and I admit, the fact that by default the executable was put into /usr/local/kde/bin (on my install anyway) was a little odd, but you can change that during the build process. Perhaps you could give some details as to what happened to you? (I have nothing to go on, since it worked fine on Mandrake 9.1 after I installed libfam-devel and moved the executable from kde/bin to bin/)
OK, they want to save costs, but leave the users out in the cold. NOT the people I want coding my operating system/office/internet browser. Until they take a firm view about actual "security", I will not trust them. Not that I really matter..I'm just a consumer; They could probably care less how I think of them.
No, I'm not putting down the justice system. I just think illegal tactics shouldn't be used, and DDoSing in all it's forms is wrong. Think about it...What if the RIAA suddenly decided "Oh, it's ok to use DDoS attacks" and convinced people around the world to willingly use their computers as zombies, and attack various people sharing mp3s.
However, I must admit I was expecting this a little earlier. I just hope SCO wasn't hoping they'd get DDoSed. You'd have to be fairly stupid to not expect a DDoS attack.
I hope whoever reviews this complaint has at least a fairly competent research team, so they can discover that many of the "facts" are actually completely false! This kind of thing makes me mad. I hate stupid parasites. They haven't got a leg to stand on, and they know it.
IMHO, this case has no place in the legal system, and SCO should be ruled in contempt of court if/when they get there. They have no facts. They have hearsay. They have no case. It'd be like me saying "OOOOH IBM has my propietary code look! they used it and they better pay up, chop chop! No, I can't show it to you! just pay! All your base are belong to us!!!!"
You get the idea. This is complete lunacy.
That was a very educational post, I think it should be modded up ^^; I hope that Lindows continues in the evolution as you put it; it is important to have intuitive systems for users, and GUI is the place to do it. It will be very interesting to see the advancements of Lindows in the future. I look forward to it, as with all distros =)
Er actually I think it's things like the military that add up to a $30+ billion deficit...
Mr. Robertson,
What are your plans (if any) for helping support the rest of the linux community. If more contributions were made back to the OSS community, then I think people would come to respect Lindows much more. Of course, as a corporation, you are totally entitled to do what you want to do. But this is an area where many feel the best strategy is to not get ahead at the expense of others, but to extend a helping hand back to the community that gave you life.
They will go after the users... But how will they go after everyone? Isn't that discrimination if you only take a few, and leave the rest which are doing the same thing? Do you think they're going to take on millions of people? That's a lot of money...If you charge 58$ million or whatever it is for four college students, and multiply that by even a million....That's a lot of friggin money. (millions of millions!) I don't know about you, but if the government started arresting millions of people, or even slapping down huge and unreasonable fines on millions of people, I'd be quickly leaving the country...I don't want to live in a country that incarcerates everyone because they use the internet to download music... Maybe if this were a Puritan state I could understand it, but I thought we left that mentality in the ditch somewheres a long time ago.
And I'm a retard for not reading all the comments. Oh well.
Hmmmm.... I guess Tom Tomorrow was right.
Come on, games aren't nearly as bad as people make out for linux. We've got something at least ^^;
Regardless of whether stealing is OK or not, the truth is that money for apps comes mostly from corporations, not from individuals. I mean, come on, how many of the average income people honestly have enough money for 3DStudio MAX, or even Photoshop? Those are very expensive programs. Even microsoft Office is a lot of money. Most people just use whatever came with their computer, I.e. Word 6.0 or microsoft works, and paint (Or Paintshop pro! What a great cheap program! I love that program.) Only if you are devoted to the computer world will you be willing to give up money, which could be spent on something TANGIBLE, for a little application, that allows you to do work. The corporations are the ones who shell out the bucks for apps, and that's where the money is, and after all, they are the ones who are doing the work.
OK Five exclamation marks, I think i'm going a little crazy. Breathe deep.....
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I love Dreamweaver 4. It is the best. I must admit, Dreamweaver MX is not an improvement; the idea was cool. "Hey, look, Homesite and Dreamweaver, all in one!!" I really like Homesite, since it was very much like Bluefish (hey, I use bluefish so...), but when they put it in Dreamweaver, I feel it wasn't as good as it could have been.
My experiences with dreamweaver have been nice (i.e. Tables...PHEW, so much easier than by hand!), I haven't had much experience with using other people's javascript, I tend to use my own... I think it depends a lot on who's using the app. It's nice because newbies can get the job done (OK sloppily, but at least they can do it!) and pros can get what they want with minimum hassle. I like being able to see what I'm coding at the same time. Just my personal preference.
I'm so happy they were able to do this with wine (Office XP that is). Whatever anyone says, MSoffice is still dominant for various reasons, and making it usable on any number of operating systems is as it should be. Now, we just gotta make sure MS doesn't take credit for making MSoffice work on unix operating systems.... =P
Anyway, that robot should instantly cease all current functions and initiate functions to disengage (or whatever Isamovian situation you can imagine), if it senses that it poses danger to a human. Not only that, but there should be an "arbiter" if you will, an embedded AI system independant of the actual robot, that will act as a failsafe system. There could probably be other failsafe designs, but that's for the dev teams to think up. If robots are to be accepted among us, they have to pose 0% danger. Not 0.001% danger.
Besides the civilian areas, I see it as an issue with military robots, since I see this as the biggest application of robotic technology. This is also one of the most complex, indeed, probably technically impossible. It is very difficult for even humans to discern if people are friend or foe. (take the friendly fire incidents in Iraq for example, and Vietnam for the classic one). It will be a while before robots will be usable on the ground, but once they are...It will be of enormous benefit to the country who has 'em. Of course, this could create a nation like those droids in star wars I. It's incredibly unlikely, but hey, there might be a government power hungry enough to want it...
I think the most immediate use of robots will be for reconaissance, and information gathering (i.e. spying). This would give them a limited ability to inflict damage (besides actually running into things). The degree of sophistication in programming will be incredible, but hey, that's our job isn't it ;)
is still entirely oriented towards Windows computers. Everything is specifically designed (by the companies) to work...for windows. Not for linux. The fact that linux can get itself to work with so many different configurations without a lot of vendor support is frankly astonishing. Imagine windows, without the hardware market to support it. It'd be dead in the water. If linux got proper support from vendors (i.e. hardware support *cough* HP Scanjet anyone? *Cough*) it would be a much cleaner experience for a newbie. Mandrake 9.1 improved the install a LOT, and the nice fonts are definately an improvement over 9.0. So, of course, take her review with a grain of salt...She's using old distros, when linux is something constantly evolving. Windows has a completely different product design than linux does, with it's pros and cons.
Man, microsoft seems to be getting a lot of bad press lately, what with the NT 4 fiasco and now this. They certainly deserve it though, We should not be praising them for making things go slower and not supporting products they said they would. Makes me wonder what windows 2003 server will be like...
I agree. Less government is good. But it seems the people in power now want a police state, where everyone is monitored and controlled to ensure they are being a "good" citizen. I find it hilarious that the Republicans who were shouting "less government" oh, I don't know how many times, are now all for increased police authority and larger governmental agencies. Well, it'll all come out in the wash is all I can say.
Anyone know what ISP(s) serve those states, or have a lot of users in those states? This sounds kinda fishy that it would just HAPPEN to appear around the same time, and each bill is almost exactly the same. Sounds like a bit of corporate manipulation. Whatever happened to fair rights/users rights? Whoever is in those governments mobilizing this needs to be voted out! Can someone explain to me how ANY end user would want this kind of legislation? I thought this country was for the people, not the corporations. And no, corporations aren't like people. If you kill a person, they're dead. If you try to kill a corporation, it will just reform. Corporations are not people. (Why is Enron still around? A normal person would be in jail if they had done the kind of misdeeds they did)
Um, I think that it's obvious the French chose a side in the war, as Bush has said oftentimes in the past, "If you ain't with us, yore against us" (note cheesy imitation of texan accent here) So the french and the germans and the chinese and the russians and the canadians and the .... almost every other major nation the world are all TERRORISTS!!! KILL THEM ALLLLL!!!!!
*ahem* Sorry that was the caeser streak coming through.
Oh, and I'm also a plasmoid being from a distant solar system.
Well, we gotta redo that american flag then, there's way too much red!! Replace it with, i dunno, black maybe. Hehehe
These developers weren't only using linux. Linux was just a little dessert on the side. The developers want to make it the main course, and put windows in the dustbin =)
BTW what are the military applications of this? What's to stop them from making someone's head explode? I think the unstoppable noise would probably be the most annoying. How do you put brainplugs in?