Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice
Exactly, I have no problem with Michael Moore either! : )
But about the eVACS article: a switch from open source development as conventionally perceived to something the company calls "controlled open source."
come on? Thats gotta be a contradiction. Im sure Richard Stallman would be infuiated by this..
unfettered access could lead to a compromise of the voting system
Spoken like a true MS zealot. Yeah, we all heard athe word unfettered many times with the whole WMD Iraq thing. And its wrong. Unfettered access is the ONLY way to go. I really believe you have to have complete transparency for public voting. You need to KNOW where you're vote is really going
started with the intent to fork and bring to the U.S. the first generation, GPL'd version of eVACS. Good luck with that!! How will the Republicans be able to disinfranchise voters now..?? I really hope something like this does take off in th U.S. There is such a great energy and enthusiasm about OSS in the U.S. I hope they can rally behind this.
I believe ID avoid this problem by having the game engine and level editor combined together.
Wouldb't it be great if all games were written in Java 3d OpenGL and still really fast!
Then everything would already be multiplatform by default..alas ; |
There's even a Linux java 3d opengl implementation - www.blackdown.org You probably know of it.
Ahh dont say that. I know they never made a true dedicated linux build. Maybe they will this time.
Anyway, I hope you are all signing the petition to make a native World of Warcraft build. Its at ce. 5000 last time I saw. The plan is to get it up to about 20000!
Maybe we should start a petition for NWN2 on linuxnow while we have time.. : )..or else... Cedega 4...
I think cryo-freezing is a much better and more ambitious aproach - but not for me. For robots just so their parts are all in solid stats and would possibly get less damaged from the immense g-force of hyper acceleration!!! : )
Nobodys cro-freezin me. you can't cryo freeze the human soul!
Although Im not really interesste in DARPA's ambitions here, (they ultimately just want to beat the Japanese who have come ahead of them with their NEC based supersomputer) Im not sure of why they are focussing on cache. The end performance gain is surely not as great as it would be if you could develop say for example a true optical bus and permanent data store. For example, Lenslett (an Israeli company developed an optical processor but it has to be used in tandem with circuit board bus etc.
Yeah. I _KNOW_ my grandmother could get there before then. I know orbital mechanics is tricky because trying to enter orbit around Mercury is difficult with the immense speed generated by travelling towards the sun... but come on. What this is like everything is a money dictated project i.e the Messenger guys have none and have had to come up with a low cost lengthy gravity controlled trip..blah blah blah. Come on Nasa, start working on cutting down your mission times..
It seems you missed the point that you brought up yourself
Not really. Even with Gentoo rigged to optimal, the gains are just not there.
Ever study computational complexity? Do you know about big O notation etc.? For me this is precisely analogous.
You round off the insignificant difference. With Gentoo there is none. Theredore its basically...the same. My point is valid. The gain is so small, its irrelevant. We all know that when it comes down to it ( I hope you know this!!), an imaginery 1.50 Ghz running most optimized version of SuSE will always be faster than that same box running @ 1.49 Ghz running Gentoo - this is precisely the point I am making.
So, whats good about Gentoo? Its so configurable and good for updating like you say. In fact it is you that have made a point you did not see. Emerge is great for servers to know you can practically automate the distro to always be updated. Its not that its fast.
Want real speed? Dont use any of the above. Dont update at all. Use FreeBSD or something...
In this land of extremes, the surface temperature changes a radical 1,100 degrees from day to night, from 800 degrees to minus-300 degrees...
Scientists want to know how the planet turned out the way it did, and whether the perpetually dark carters at the poles hold ice.
Ice, hmm.. No - at least not on the surface -might want to dig below to find the Mercurians and their Roman spas. It will go down with a pair of U.S. flags
Whole new meaning to burning the flag!!
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Yeah 2 at most though. But it will probably be a test partition for both. I dont want more than one distro.
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I think I'm convinced. I've always been impressed by the Gentoo community too. They seem like I like to think I am myself - down to earth. I might have to wait until September for my new computer to be ready - order backlog. So in that time, I'll get my hands on a Gentoo 2004.2 distro I hope. I've quizzed a developer of the AMD64 code about its status, but have not got any feedback yet. I know the AMD64 sub-architecture of the distro is quite new, so I hope its good. I am not patient though. If I hit problems with a buggy Gentoo install for AMD64, I will stick with Mandrake. It has not let me down to date...
Agreed. You have to admit though. There is need for better documentation/tutorials for allot of OSS software. We need this to galvanise what OSS has to offer.
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Thanx for that. Thats the "problem" with Linux - so many great distos to choose from. I'll do what I did last time - Use the one that came free with the magazine I bought. Dont get me wrong, Im not intorunning just any old OS. Last time out I was already very interestwed in Mandrake, and then came the dilemma. To buy free magazine A (came with OpenBSD) - great distro, or B (Mandrake 9.1) - I had to go with Mandrake and have been using it since. I dont believe in using more than 1 - then you might end up using zero if you are not a 24 hour user - Im not.
When it comes down to it, I cannot decide anymore, and in these cases I always stick by my gut linux idealism - run Linux - any flavour- in the traditional Linux way. Buy a boxed set in the shop - No- the Linux way, I will turn up at the same store that sells those same boxed sets like a casual brezze and go straight for the magazine stall and start reading Linux format and see if theres any free distros this week. If not check whats comming. If noting, I'll buy a bok witha free distro. This was my first Linux distro - showed up in the book shop and bought a great Linux install guide (book) taiored for SuSE and with free SuSE distro. Thats the real Linux world. I love that I can just grab a magazine with a free highly advanced modern OS and use it as my OS. Linux - by the people, for the people!
ps. I really do want a good 64 bit OS for my new processor though. Thinking of SuSE64 maybe. We'll see.
Yes, I look forward to running rehab software patches on you[r monkey] to fix your[monkeys] protocols, and trying to remove your[monkeys] cyber implants
Yes, I look forward to running rehab software patches on you to fix your protocols, and trying to remove your cyber implants.
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Yep, exactly. The rules prohibit the modding of a thread you post in.
I am actually interested in Gentoo. Currently use Mandrake. I believe the speed difference is non existent. But the OS updates itself - which is something I have wanted to see in Linux for some time. I may change soon too. I upgrade machine quite rarely but my new components will arrive soon and I will build a brand new box. (AMD64 s754, Via K8T800...) I believe I will run Gentoo, and Mandrake on it.
And the time you spend compiling gets made up in Gentoo's speed.
Wrong, it gets made up by your own sense of self satisfaction, not speed. The speed increase is negligible and may even be negative as Gentoo itself is arguably not as fast as the likes of SuSE from a design point of view. Gentoo has some good features, but speed - no, self customisation. Gentoo is the OS for the enthusiast. You build it. Its not especially fast.
1. "If you're not willing to help fix it then you shouldn't complain about it"
This is not exactly how I see it. If someone contributes to any OSS project or supports open source, then they are part of the whole movement as far as Im concerned, and they have every right to complain..
If, however, they are ignorant of OSS, and complain about a program they were given that is OSS, then they should be paying for stuff..until they are no longer in ignorance...
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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice Exactly, I have no problem with Michael Moore either! : )
But about the eVACS article:
a switch from open source development as conventionally perceived to something the company calls "controlled open source." come on? Thats gotta be a contradiction. Im sure Richard Stallman would be infuiated by this..
unfettered access could lead to a compromise of the voting system
Spoken like a true MS zealot. Yeah, we all heard athe word unfettered many times with the whole WMD Iraq thing. And its wrong. Unfettered access is the ONLY way to go. I really believe you have to have complete transparency for public voting. You need to KNOW where you're vote is really going
started with the intent to fork and bring to the U.S. the first generation, GPL'd version of eVACS.
Good luck with that!! How will the Republicans be able to disinfranchise voters now..?? I really hope something like this does take off in th U.S. There is such a great energy and enthusiasm about OSS in the U.S. I hope they can rally behind this.
Thanx ; )
I hope you signed. As someone who includes links, Im sure I dont need to tell you to spread the word if you haven't already..
I believe ID avoid this problem by having the game engine and level editor combined together. ..alas ; |
Wouldb't it be great if all games were written in Java 3d OpenGL and still really fast!
Then everything would already be multiplatform by default
There's even a Linux java 3d opengl implementation - www.blackdown.org You probably know of it.
Ahh dont say that. I know they never made a true dedicated linux build. Maybe they will this time.
..or else... Cedega 4 ...
Anyway, I hope you are all signing the petition to make a native World of Warcraft build. Its at ce. 5000 last time I saw. The plan is to get it up to about 20000!
Maybe we should start a petition for NWN2 on linuxnow while we have time.. : )
solid stats ...
Sorry, I meant 'solid state' as in states of matter - liquid solid gas
I think cryo-freezing is a much better and more ambitious aproach - but not for me.
For robots just so their parts are all in solid stats and would possibly get less damaged from the immense g-force of hyper acceleration!!! : )
Nobodys cro-freezin me. you can't cryo freeze the human soul!
Yeah, count me in...lets get high...
Although Im not really interesste in DARPA's ambitions here, (they ultimately just want to beat the Japanese who have come ahead of them with their NEC based supersomputer) Im not sure of why they are focussing on cache. The end performance gain is surely not as great as it would be if you could develop say for example a true optical bus and permanent data store. For example, Lenslett (an Israeli company developed an optical processor but it has to be used in tandem with circuit board bus etc.
Yeah. I _KNOW_ my grandmother could get there before then. I know orbital mechanics is tricky because trying to enter orbit around Mercury is difficult with the immense speed generated by travelling towards the sun ... but come on. ..blah blah blah.
What this is like everything is a money dictated project i.e the Messenger guys have none and have had to come up with a low cost lengthy gravity controlled trip
Come on Nasa, start working on cutting down your mission times..
is prob. the best : )
It seems you missed the point that you brought up yourself
Not really. Even with Gentoo rigged to optimal, the gains are just not there.
Ever study computational complexity? Do you know about big O notation etc.? For me this is precisely analogous. You round off the insignificant difference. With Gentoo there is none. Theredore its basically...the same. My point is valid. The gain is so small, its irrelevant. We all know that when it comes down to it ( I hope you know this!!), an imaginery 1.50 Ghz running most optimized version of SuSE will always be faster than that same box running @ 1.49 Ghz running Gentoo - this is precisely the point I am making.
So, whats good about Gentoo? Its so configurable and good for updating like you say. In fact it is you that have made a point you did not see. Emerge is great for servers to know you can practically automate the distro to always be updated. Its not that its fast.
Want real speed? Dont use any of the above. Dont update at all. Use FreeBSD or something...
In this land of extremes, the surface temperature changes a radical 1,100 degrees from day to night, from 800 degrees to minus-300 degrees... Scientists want to know how the planet turned out the way it did, and whether the perpetually dark carters at the poles hold ice.
Ice, hmm.. No - at least not on the surface -might want to dig below to find the Mercurians and their Roman spas.
It will go down with a pair of U.S. flags
Whole new meaning to burning the flag!!
I pronounce it C_th_ul_(h)_u - silent 'h'
Yeah 2 at most though. But it will probably be a test partition for both. I dont want more than one distro.
I think I'm convinced. I've always been impressed by the Gentoo community too. They seem like I like to think I am myself - down to earth. I might have to wait until September for my new computer to be ready - order backlog. So in that time, I'll get my hands on a Gentoo 2004.2 distro I hope. I've quizzed a developer of the AMD64 code about its status, but have not got any feedback yet. I know the AMD64 sub-architecture of the distro is quite new, so I hope its good.
I am not patient though. If I hit problems with a buggy Gentoo install for AMD64, I will stick with Mandrake. It has not let me down to date...
: )
Agreed. You have to admit though. There is need for better documentation/tutorials for allot of OSS software. We need this to galvanise what OSS has to offer.
When did /. become www.economist.com?
Thanx for that.
Thats the "problem" with Linux - so many great distos to choose from.
I'll do what I did last time - Use the one that came free with the magazine I bought. Dont get me wrong, Im not intorunning just any old OS.
Last time out I was already very interestwed in Mandrake, and then came the dilemma. To buy free magazine A (came with OpenBSD) - great distro, or B (Mandrake 9.1) - I had to go with Mandrake and have been using it since. I dont believe in using more than 1 - then you might end up using zero if you are not a 24 hour user - Im not.
When it comes down to it, I cannot decide anymore, and in these cases I always stick by my gut linux idealism - run Linux - any flavour- in the traditional Linux way. Buy a boxed set in the shop - No- the Linux way, I will turn up at the same store that sells those same boxed sets like a casual brezze and go straight for the magazine stall and start reading Linux format and see if theres any free distros this week. If not check whats comming. If noting, I'll buy a bok witha free distro. This was my first Linux distro - showed up in the book shop and bought a great Linux install guide (book) taiored for SuSE and with free SuSE distro. Thats the real Linux world. I love that I can just grab a magazine with a free highly advanced modern OS and use it as my OS. Linux - by the people, for the people!
ps. I really do want a good 64 bit OS for my new processor though. Thinking of SuSE64 maybe. We'll see.
Yes, I look forward to running rehab software patches on you[r monkey] to fix your[monkeys] protocols, and trying to remove your[monkeys] cyber implants
Cthulhu as Sauron
Yes, I look forward to running rehab software patches on you to fix your protocols, and trying to remove your cyber implants.
Yep, exactly. The rules prohibit the modding of a thread you post in.
I am actually interested in Gentoo. Currently use Mandrake. I believe the speed difference is non existent. But the OS updates itself - which is something I have wanted to see in Linux for some time. I may change soon too. I upgrade machine quite rarely but my new components will arrive soon and I will build a brand new box. (AMD64 s754, Via K8T800...)
I believe I will run Gentoo, and Mandrake on it.
And the time you spend compiling gets made up in Gentoo's speed.
Wrong, it gets made up by your own sense of self satisfaction, not speed. The speed increase is negligible and may even be negative as Gentoo itself is arguably not as fast as the likes of SuSE from a design point of view. Gentoo has some good features, but speed - no, self customisation. Gentoo is the OS for the enthusiast. You build it. Its not especially fast.
1. "If you're not willing to help fix it then you shouldn't complain about it"
This is not exactly how I see it. If someone contributes to any OSS project or supports open source, then they are part of the whole movement as far as Im concerned, and they have every right to complain..
If, however, they are ignorant of OSS, and complain about a program they were given that is OSS, then they should be paying for stuff..until they are no longer in ignorance...
Am I the only person here who finds this nuts?
I can see it now**News**
Man found dead after brain assist software went into killall processes mode.
Killer says faulty software drove him to kill his wife....