What's funny about this to me, is that no matter how many times the law firm of Santa, Cruz & Operation et. al decides to sue someone the only losers are SCO and the poor schmuck who happened to have the story linked on/.
Pirates = "I want my Windows XP" MS = "I want your money"
MS could easily charge a few bucks per patch or charge another fifty bucks or so per service pack so that our friends that are using extended demos can keep their OS up2date (hint hint)while continuing to *ahem* try out the operating system. Over a few years MS would easily recover the cost of the pirated copy, the pirate wouldn't have to be a test person for new viruses with old exploits and it would enhance the security for the net as a whole.
The problem with MS is that they HAVEN'T adopted the cell phone or razor blade model of business. Let's face it. If the OS were REALLY inexpensive then they could reasonably charge for services outside of the OS such as service packs or feature upgrades. Red Hat, IBM, Apple, they all do it and are profitable.
I agree that VOIP needs some work, but I think that worrying about the telco infrastructure is misguided. After all we were trying to use an extremely antiquated network (POTS) to access the internet, and we all know just how pleasant that was. 28.8 anybody? Anybody? Prior to the Bell System break up in the 80's Ma Bell's only significant technological development was the good ole touch tone. Fact is all of our Telco's had an opportunity to develop better networks and didn't.
I'm not trying to be critical, but I do not want to throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak. VOIP is clumsy right now, I use Packet8 and I know first hand, but at the same time I am now spending $20 a month for all the bells (no pun intended) and whistles AND unlimited long distance. My home communications costs went from $100+ to $20 which more than covers the cost of the broadband connection in the first place. Cell phones, which I had anyway, make up the differences in qos when the inevitable fiber cut kills my broadband connection.
Attention: It has come to our attention that some newsworthy geologic fluctuations are occurring at Yellowstone National Park Lake. It has also come to our attention that several scientists and conspiracy advocates are unlawfully using the term "Caldera" to describe what is otherwise known as a super volcano. Please be advised that "Caldera", "Caldera Systems", and "Caldera Anything Else" are copyrights owned by the SCO Corporation. You are advised that as of March the 12th we will begin legal action to protect our copyrights. Additionally a lawsuit against against the Federal Government for ownership of the "Yellowstone National Park" as we believe that Yellowstone Lake is a derivative work built on our copyright.
Thank You:
Santa Cruz Operation AKA: Owners and Master of the Known Universe
Spending one million dollars (pinky pointed toward edge of lips) on the possibility that some time possibly in the distant future a company might win a lawsuit against all odds and then sometime possibly in the yet more distant future sue you on the basis of the first lawsuit is the most absurd thing I've heard in my life.
For crying out loud this is AMERICA... your odds of getting sued every day are at least 6 to 1 against you.
Here is what I propose you do. You pay me one million bucks today and I will not drive down there to see you, and slip on your sidewalk and get injured. After all you ARE just looking out for your customers aren't you?
It is all good. You're right about a MUST HAVE clean room here. Personally I do not believe that there will be any non GPL (or similar licensed) code in Linux. SCO is a law firm in search of an operating system division... and they will grasp at any straw within reach.
I know what you mean about RMS-heads - they are all over the place. I get modded down every now and then over my own views.
You misunderstood me. I'm sorry if I was not clear. Any potential code that WAS included in Linux would be removed and rewritten if it were in fact unlawfully added to Linux.
I'm also sorry that modding is an issue for you. I participated in the discussion, and that is all I did so please accept my apologies if my opinion including the use of GPL and "vindication" somehow wasn't valid.
I suspect that IBM is not trying to get the case dismissed at all. IBM is using the threat of dismissal to pressure SC0 into public discourse of the alleged stolen code.
SC0 desperately does not want the alleged stolen code to enter the public record because we all know it will be 3.2 seconds before any code is re-written in the kernel even if it's IBM doing the re-write.
This however is a great thing. SC0's case should be dismissed but not IBM's countersuit, which if found to be true will force SC0 to stop distributing Linux and probably their Linux personality kit too. It is IBM's countersuit which squarely applies to the GPL and it is also where the GPL will receive it's vidication.
Kudos to the Judge! A successful company is built upon good competitive skills, excellent products and customer service.
If Lexmark feels that it is unable to compete unless it pummels its customers with expensive consumables, protected from competition by law then it deserves to lose market share.
I can't agree. Ford does KNOW that their cars are GOING to be used in crimes. So do refrigerator makers know that at least some of their refrigerators will be used in crack labs. Claiming that anyone who has knowledge that some of their products will be used in a crime should be sued is silly. How about Palm? They know that some of their products will be used by illegal dealers of guns or drugs. Your logic will have all of these manufacturers sued out of existence.
We have too many lawsuits because too many people want to extend the reach of the blame gun.
Blame begins and ends with the person commiting the crime and those that helped them.
The militarization of new frontiers has a long and extremely well documented history. First the seas and rivers, folks figured out that you could throw rocks from canoes. The air was next and people figured out that your could shoot bullets from guns mounted on an airplane. There WILL be war both in and from space because that is what paranoia does... it seeks to get an upper hand just in case someone else tries to get that upper hand first.
Communism failed. Socialism failed. They will ALWAYS fail because they run very counter to humanity. If you want good jobs CREATE them yourself. If you haven't the skills then get them. The skills needed to become wealthy are free for the asking. It seems to me that we shouldn't (myself included) blame the countless evil corporations for not doing what we ourselves aren't bothering to do either.
What the world is really lacking are people with a desire to recognize their own abilities and then persue a life that maximizes them.
If SCO fails in its motion then it is a terrific sign for future anti-Linux lawsuits. It would mean that SCO could not convince a judge that its evidence is strong enough to withstand counter evidence. We know this is true but convincing a judge is a different matter. What Linux needs is the precedent of a judge agreeing with us (through RedHat).
There is a line somewhere between spending time working and spending time in jail.
Let's say I hypothetically work for some state goverment in horse country...err... in their IT dept.
I fully expect to have everything I do monitored and checked and this is fine and good. However there are those that tend to feel that such parental micromanagement is more a hindrance than a nessesity. How do you measure the LOSS of productivity? How many times does one NEED to go over an email to make sure that it isn't offensive to some obscure sect of midget neo-nazi lesbians that might accidentally get it?
It takes an awful lot of time to cross the building when you have to walk on egg shells to do it. I'm not trying to say that businesses should not monitor employees but I am trying to say that there is a loss of productivity in trying to make sure that you are walking a very tight, narrow line.
I know most monitoring is for porn, company secrets, company porn or whatever but the truth is that monitoring has gone into overdrive and we are losing our ability to communicate because everything has to be bleached of meaning to avoid offending even the most sensitive soul.
I'm not sure that we can have real communication when we are so worried about accidentally communicating something unpopular.
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What's funny about this to me, is that no matter how many times the law firm of Santa, Cruz & Operation et. al decides to sue someone the only losers are SCO and the poor schmuck who happened to have the story linked on /.
Microsoft never put RTFM on technet!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love all the hype, but the reviewer hasn't addressed the isse that we are ALL thinking about.
When is the next name update for the project?
I go into a dark cellar at midnight without a flashlight to look for a black cat that isn't there.
They are thinking different - ly
Pirates = "I want my Windows XP"
MS = "I want your money"
MS could easily charge a few bucks per patch or charge another fifty bucks or so per service pack so that our friends that are using extended demos can keep their OS up2date (hint hint)while continuing to *ahem* try out the operating system. Over a few years MS would easily recover the cost of the pirated copy, the pirate wouldn't have to be a test person for new viruses with old exploits and it would enhance the security for the net as a whole.
The problem with MS is that they HAVEN'T adopted the cell phone or razor blade model of business. Let's face it. If the OS were REALLY inexpensive then they could reasonably charge for services outside of the OS such as service packs or feature upgrades. Red Hat, IBM, Apple, they all do it and are profitable.
I agree that VOIP needs some work, but I think that worrying about the telco infrastructure is misguided. After all we were trying to use an extremely antiquated network (POTS) to access the internet, and we all know just how pleasant that was. 28.8 anybody? Anybody? Prior to the Bell System break up in the 80's Ma Bell's only significant technological development was the good ole touch tone. Fact is all of our Telco's had an opportunity to develop better networks and didn't.
I'm not trying to be critical, but I do not want to throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak. VOIP is clumsy right now, I use Packet8 and I know first hand, but at the same time I am now spending $20 a month for all the bells (no pun intended) and whistles AND unlimited long distance. My home communications costs went from $100+ to $20 which more than covers the cost of the broadband connection in the first place. Cell phones, which I had anyway, make up the differences in qos when the inevitable fiber cut kills my broadband connection.
On left side of the plane....
Shit Bill... look at the tits on her!
RE: Copyright Infringement
From: D. McBride
Attention: It has come to our attention that some newsworthy geologic fluctuations are occurring at Yellowstone National Park Lake. It has also come to our attention that several scientists and conspiracy advocates are unlawfully using the term "Caldera" to describe what is otherwise known as a super volcano. Please be advised that "Caldera", "Caldera Systems", and "Caldera Anything Else" are copyrights owned by the SCO Corporation. You are advised that as of March the 12th we will begin legal action to protect our copyrights. Additionally a lawsuit against against the Federal Government for ownership of the "Yellowstone National Park" as we believe that Yellowstone Lake is a derivative work built on our copyright.
Thank You:
Santa Cruz Operation
AKA: Owners and Master of the Known Universe
Mr. Marsh,
Spending one million dollars (pinky pointed toward edge of lips) on the possibility that some time possibly in the distant future a company might win a lawsuit against all odds and then sometime possibly in the yet more distant future sue you on the basis of the first lawsuit is the most absurd thing I've heard in my life.
For crying out loud this is AMERICA... your odds of getting sued every day are at least 6 to 1 against you.
Here is what I propose you do. You pay me one million bucks today and I will not drive down there to see you, and slip on your sidewalk and get injured. After all you ARE just looking out for your customers aren't you?
Godzilla's gonna break a sweat trying to get this one!
Excellent observation... I can't mod you but you should be modded well for that one.
It is all good. You're right about a MUST HAVE clean room here. Personally I do not believe that there will be any non GPL (or similar licensed) code in Linux. SCO is a law firm in search of an operating system division... and they will grasp at any straw within reach.
I know what you mean about RMS-heads - they are all over the place. I get modded down every now and then over my own views.
You misunderstood me. I'm sorry if I was not clear. Any potential code that WAS included in Linux would be removed and rewritten if it were in fact unlawfully added to Linux.
I'm also sorry that modding is an issue for you. I participated in the discussion, and that is all I did so please accept my apologies if my opinion including the use of GPL and "vindication" somehow wasn't valid.
I suspect that IBM is not trying to get the case dismissed at all. IBM is using the threat of dismissal to pressure SC0 into public discourse of the alleged stolen code.
SC0 desperately does not want the alleged stolen code to enter the public record because we all know it will be 3.2 seconds before any code is re-written in the kernel even if it's IBM doing the re-write.
This however is a great thing. SC0's case should be dismissed but not IBM's countersuit, which if found to be true will force SC0 to stop distributing Linux and probably their Linux personality kit too. It is IBM's countersuit which squarely applies to the GPL and it is also where the GPL will receive it's vidication.
Kudos to the Judge! A successful company is built upon good competitive skills, excellent products and customer service.
If Lexmark feels that it is unable to compete unless it pummels its customers with expensive consumables, protected from competition by law then it deserves to lose market share.
Would it REALLY be news if IBM released all of their laptops with P3s?
Upgrading old hardware with hardware that ahem... isn't so old doesn't exactly make this geek drool.
I can't agree. Ford does KNOW that their cars are GOING to be used in crimes. So do refrigerator makers know that at least some of their refrigerators will be used in crack labs. Claiming that anyone who has knowledge that some of their products will be used in a crime should be sued is silly. How about Palm? They know that some of their products will be used by illegal dealers of guns or drugs. Your logic will have all of these manufacturers sued out of existence.
We have too many lawsuits because too many people want to extend the reach of the blame gun.
Blame begins and ends with the person commiting the crime and those that helped them.
The militarization of new frontiers has a long and extremely well documented history. First the seas and rivers, folks figured out that you could throw rocks from canoes. The air was next and people figured out that your could shoot bullets from guns mounted on an airplane. There WILL be war both in and from space because that is what paranoia does... it seeks to get an upper hand just in case someone else tries to get that upper hand first.
Communism failed. Socialism failed. They will ALWAYS fail because they run very counter to humanity. If you want good jobs CREATE them yourself. If you haven't the skills then get them. The skills needed to become wealthy are free for the asking. It seems to me that we shouldn't (myself included) blame the countless evil corporations for not doing what we ourselves aren't bothering to do either.
What the world is really lacking are people with a desire to recognize their own abilities and then persue a life that maximizes them.
Thank you. AND THAT is why I'm an engineer NOT a lawyer!
If SCO fails in its motion then it is a terrific sign for future anti-Linux lawsuits. It would mean that SCO could not convince a judge that its evidence is strong enough to withstand counter evidence. We know this is true but convincing a judge is a different matter. What Linux needs is the precedent of a judge agreeing with us (through RedHat).
This is going to be fun to watch.
Oh yeah... remember the RPC implementation that Microsoft chose for RPC? IEEE 666
"What is your favorite computer bug story?"
Windows XP is the fastest and most secure operating system EVER!
There is a line somewhere between spending time working and spending time in jail.
Let's say I hypothetically work for some state goverment in horse country...err... in their IT dept.
I fully expect to have everything I do monitored and checked and this is fine and good. However there are those that tend to feel that such parental micromanagement is more a hindrance than a nessesity. How do you measure the LOSS of productivity? How many times does one NEED to go over an email to make sure that it isn't offensive to some obscure sect of midget neo-nazi lesbians that might accidentally get it?
It takes an awful lot of time to cross the building when you have to walk on egg shells to do it. I'm not trying to say that businesses should not monitor employees but I am trying to say that there is a loss of productivity in trying to make sure that you are walking a very tight, narrow line.
I know most monitoring is for porn, company secrets, company porn or whatever but the truth is that monitoring has gone into overdrive and we are losing our ability to communicate because everything has to be bleached of meaning to avoid offending even the most sensitive soul.
I'm not sure that we can have real communication when we are so worried about accidentally communicating something unpopular.