Uh-oh. I better tell the users of my 800-person list and my 500-person list that it's been a great 8-year run, but we shouldn't be using a home mail server for this.
but if I'm ever in an accident, I'll make sure that any responders are wearing rubber gloves and boots and if any cutting is done, the roof is the only area they touch
If you are in an accident bad enough to need "responders" to get you out, odds are not great that you'll be conscious.
Fedora Core 1 would not install on my dual p3-600 machine (which has been running RH since 6.2), no matter how many faqs and mailing lists I consulted for advice. I finally gave up and went to Knoppix. A couple hours of work after the install to get all my little tweaks working and I was home free... no regrets at all.
Ah, but are the fixtures, etc.. built to withstand the test of time. One of my company's buildings has "modular partitions" (not cubes, these are floor-to-ceiling) that are about 10 years old. Not only do they now mostly fall apart when you attempt to reconfigure them, they look dated as well.
The old TWA terminal at JFK (round, swoopy curvy thing) and terminal 1 at CDG (aka the habitrail) both looked incredibly modern and futuristic when first opened.
The UIUC bldg sounds extremely cool, but in 5 yrs folks will be smiling politely at the "hokey-ness" of the place.
I define complex Excel as using macros that require manual tweaking. Try telling my Controller he's writing VB and he'll look at me as though I've grown a 3rd eye. but that's what he's doing (ok, he's modifying VB). Suddenyl he has to deal with Python.
People upgrading from previous versions of MS Office can usually use a new one without need for suport. People migrating from MS Office to OO will need some support.
The vast majority of people outside a company are going to send Word, not OO documents.
I'll beg to differ with you on the Ximian experience, but it just may be my particular way of using each product.
What's it missing? It macro language is completely different unlesss they've changed it from Python to VB sometime in the last 20 minutes or so. Advanced Excel users make heavy use of macros (again, look at a finance forecasting model).
For the most part, users of MS Office do not need support to use a new version of MS Office. Users changing from MS Office to OO will need some support.
From the article, opening large documents in OO that were created in MS Office, will take as much as 10 seconds longer to open.
Have you ever seen a forecasting model written in Excel? Every company I have worked at (N > 8) has them.
Again the 10 seconds is from the article. You are trying to justify your point on pure cost/employee. You leave out the, "this f*cking thing.... it always takes so long to open"... 10 seconds is an eternity if you do is many times a day.
One cannot place a dollar-value on user perception.
Many organizations avoid Outlook? I just ran an analysis on my stored email. 1.8Gb worth. 78% of unique domains identify as using Outlook. To me, that's an overwhelming majority.
...and if frogs had claws and lived in toilets, using a toilet to take a dump might not be a good idea either.
I can certainly see how some companies could look at the list of flaws and still decide to use it.
Citing examples might help your point.
If there were a company with no Finance Department, no contact with the outside world, and users that were willing to support themselves (or had sufficient IT resources to hold their hands), OO could be a potential fit, but the liklihood of a company like that existing is about as great as the aforementioned frogs.
How can they possibly say it's a potential good fit for smaller companies? From the article:
- It doesn't work for advanced Excel (read: The Finance Department).
- Support options are limited (read: DIY in a small company with limited/nonexistent IT resources to begin with).
- It takes as much as 10 seconds longer to open big docs sent in Office format (read: anything sent to you most people outside the company).
And, let's overlook Outlook in the comparison. (Evolution, Thunderbird, et. al. do not offer the same functionality)
Oh, and feel free to mod me into oblivion for taking a controversial (for/.'ers) stance.
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"Hear! Hear!" is hearty agreement with thre author's original post. Let's take a look at it again:
I've been running sendmail 4ever
OK, no "best" here.
- sure it's complicated as hell
nope, no "best" here either
- and a bit of a resource hog at times..
still no "best"
but it freaking works
certainly not a superlative
and is rock solid over more years of production use than any other MTA ever will be in our lifetimes.
One may argue with "rock solid" (I won't). It certainly has been around a lot longer than the other MTAs.
Now, let's look at "flattery":
Main Entry: 1flatter
Pronunciation: 'fla-t&r
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English flateren, from Old French flater to lick, flatter, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German flaz flat
transitive senses
1 : to praise excessively especially from motives of self-interest
2 a archaic : BEGUILE 4 b : to encourage or gratify especially with the assurance that something is right
3 a : to portray too favorably b : to display to advantage
intransitive senses : to use flattery
Hmmm... I don't see a direct correlation to the flatterer being better here either.
You seem a little defensive.
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Hmmm..I've re-read my post a bunch of times now. Did I say it was the best?
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Hear! Hear!
There's sendmail and then there's everything else that compares itself to sendmail.
The takeaway I got from the article wasn't Google buying Akamai, it was, as another poster mentioned, that there is no barrier to entry in the search market. If you couple that with taking advantage of Akamai's technology on the back end and some savvy, well-funded business people (their names begin with V & C), you could become the next Google, by beating Google at their own game and not have to worry about developing the underlying technology (which Google does).
When he comes back to Apple to turn things around, he's Mr. Humble Pie. Now that things are going (for now anyway) he's Mr Usual Arrogant Self. Remember Steve, you're only as good as your last quarter. While from today's perspective, that's a pretty good place, but it hasn't always been historically and there's a good chance there will come a time in the future when things aren't so great either.
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Time to move it to the garage, I guess.
Could it be that the rest of you aren't permitted to carry guns and can't afford SUVs?
Yeah, right. I seem to recall Phillip Morris making a similar argument.
even for the poor slobs in the back
Yeah, but you guys surrender as soon as it looks like the hunt is getting difficult.
Crisp display, long battery life. I've read all of my books on this since buying it.
I didn't say zero percent chance of being conscious, I said odds are not great.
If you are in an accident bad enough to need "responders" to get you out, odds are not great that you'll be conscious.
Fedora Core 1 would not install on my dual p3-600 machine (which has been running RH since 6.2), no matter how many faqs and mailing lists I consulted for advice. I finally gave up and went to Knoppix. A couple hours of work after the install to get all my little tweaks working and I was home free... no regrets at all.
Ah, but are the fixtures, etc.. built to withstand the test of time. One of my company's buildings has "modular partitions" (not cubes, these are floor-to-ceiling) that are about 10 years old. Not only do they now mostly fall apart when you attempt to reconfigure them, they look dated as well.
The UIUC bldg sounds extremely cool, but in 5 yrs folks will be smiling politely at the "hokey-ness" of the place.
Look where they are now versus where they were 10 yrs ago. Evolve or die. Sun isn't evolving fast enough
People upgrading from previous versions of MS Office can usually use a new one without need for suport. People migrating from MS Office to OO will need some support.
The vast majority of people outside a company are going to send Word, not OO documents.
I'll beg to differ with you on the Ximian experience, but it just may be my particular way of using each product.
For the most part, users of MS Office do not need support to use a new version of MS Office. Users changing from MS Office to OO will need some support.
From the article, opening large documents in OO that were created in MS Office, will take as much as 10 seconds longer to open.
Again the 10 seconds is from the article. You are trying to justify your point on pure cost/employee. You leave out the, "this f*cking thing.... it always takes so long to open"... 10 seconds is an eternity if you do is many times a day.
One cannot place a dollar-value on user perception.
Many organizations avoid Outlook? I just ran an analysis on my stored email. 1.8Gb worth. 78% of unique domains identify as using Outlook. To me, that's an overwhelming majority.
Users in the article were self-selecting.
I can certainly see how some companies could look at the list of flaws and still decide to use it.
Citing examples might help your point.
If there were a company with no Finance Department, no contact with the outside world, and users that were willing to support themselves (or had sufficient IT resources to hold their hands), OO could be a potential fit, but the liklihood of a company like that existing is about as great as the aforementioned frogs.
RTFA. I'm quoting 10 seconds.
- It doesn't work for advanced Excel (read: The Finance Department).
- Support options are limited (read: DIY in a small company with limited/nonexistent IT resources to begin with).
- It takes as much as 10 seconds longer to open big docs sent in Office format (read: anything sent to you most people outside the company).
And, let's overlook Outlook in the comparison. (Evolution, Thunderbird, et. al. do not offer the same functionality)
Oh, and feel free to mod me into oblivion for taking a controversial (for /.'ers) stance.
I've been running sendmail 4ever
OK, no "best" here.
- sure it's complicated as hell
nope, no "best" here either
- and a bit of a resource hog at times..
still no "best"
but it freaking works
certainly not a superlative
and is rock solid over more years of production use than any other MTA ever will be in our lifetimes.
One may argue with "rock solid" (I won't). It certainly has been around a lot longer than the other MTAs.
Now, let's look at "flattery":
Main Entry: 1flatter Pronunciation: 'fla-t&r Function: verb Etymology: Middle English flateren, from Old French flater to lick, flatter, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German flaz flat transitive senses 1 : to praise excessively especially from motives of self-interest 2 a archaic : BEGUILE 4 b : to encourage or gratify especially with the assurance that something is right 3 a : to portray too favorably b : to display to advantage intransitive senses : to use flattery
Hmmm... I don't see a direct correlation to the flatterer being better here either.
You seem a little defensive.
Hmmm..I've re-read my post a bunch of times now. Did I say it was the best?
There's sendmail and then there's everything else that compares itself to sendmail.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
The takeaway I got from the article wasn't Google buying Akamai, it was, as another poster mentioned, that there is no barrier to entry in the search market. If you couple that with taking advantage of Akamai's technology on the back end and some savvy, well-funded business people (their names begin with V & C), you could become the next Google, by beating Google at their own game and not have to worry about developing the underlying technology (which Google does).
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When he comes back to Apple to turn things around, he's Mr. Humble Pie. Now that things are going (for now anyway) he's Mr Usual Arrogant Self. Remember Steve, you're only as good as your last quarter. While from today's perspective, that's a pretty good place, but it hasn't always been historically and there's a good chance there will come a time in the future when things aren't so great either.