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Akamai -- The Other Huge Distributed System

Frisky070802 writes "Technology Review, the MIT alumni magazine, has an article by Simson Garfinkel that compares the huge distributed systems run by Google and Akamai and speculates that Google might even consider buying Akamai. It also discusses the flame-out of Akamai after its tremendous IPO."

240 comments

  1. not surprising by strook · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think there's plenty of room for both groups to be successful. One thing Google and Akamai have in common is their desire to hire extremely skilled people instead of making it up with large numbers of code monkeys.

    I assume this is true, at least, because at some point each of these companies have hired a friend of mine. ;-)

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    1. Re:not surprising by sik0fewl · · Score: 4, Funny

      But not you?

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    2. Re:not surprising by bfg9000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It seems McDonald's is also hiring skilled people.

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    3. Re:not surprising by strook · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, I'm not employed by either, happy to be in grad school for the time being where I can lounge around doing what we all love to do: reloading slashdot and getting first posts.

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    4. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he was too good for them, you ignoramus.

    5. Re:not surprising by b!arg · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'm sorry this is way off topic, but I just love your .sig

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    6. Re:not surprising by taion · · Score: 4, Informative

      Definitely. Back when they could afford to, Akamai gave a huge sum of money to AMC, which runs the highest level high school math competitions here, and pick the US team for the International Math Olympiad and such. Some Akamai person gave a presentation very, very heavily stressing how their problems related to problems at the forefront of mathematical research, and how they were into hiring the best people in the field.

      And they're damn right to do so. One or two of the very top people who were present there (at the USAMO) could probably easily do a few hundred times the work of your "average" MIT grad.

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    7. Re:not surprising by strook · · Score: 1

      Seems another ex-USAMOer reads slashdot. Were you around for "Advanced Scout"? IBM hadn't figured out that maybe a presentation on basketball wasn't the best thing to motivate a bunch of high school math nerds.

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    8. Re:not surprising by janbjurstrom · · Score: 1

      I don't think "Must have skillet experience," is quite the same thing ;)

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    9. Re:not surprising by taion · · Score: 1

      Not really. Pretty much the greatest benefit I've gotten from various high school math programmes is that I no longer notice how bad the gender ratio at Caltech is any more.

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    10. Re:not surprising by bfg9000 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Thanks, it is an eternal truth that came to me after a month of fasting and meditation.

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    11. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha. This was the basketball data mining thing in 1995, right? That was very silly, for reasons beyond the basketball.

    12. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were extremely generous, particularly in helping to host the 2001 IMO in the US. It's wonderful to see a company or its foundation giving back to the community in this way.

      I did the IMO, but I certainly don't feel like I'm being 100 times as productive as fellow grads now, though. Perhaps that's because I'm reading slashdot instead of doing work. Hm.

    13. Re:not surprising by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Why?

      There are a few possible interpretations of your statement.

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    14. Re:not surprising by taion · · Score: 1

      The ratio at Tech is approximately two males per female.

      I've attended programmes with a ratio anywhere between three and sixteen males per female.

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  2. Strong Words! by MikeBouma2 · · Score: 5, Funny
    and speculates that Google might even consider buying Akamai

    Wow, those are strong words. Real hard news here. News for Trolls maybe.

    Mike Bouma
    MCSE, MCSDT, Microsoft Office Expert, Well Respected VB Scripting Genius

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    1. Re:Strong Words! by eadint · · Score: 5, Funny

      MCSE, MCSDT, Microsoft Office Expert, Well Respected VB Scripting Genius

      Sounds like you gave allot of money to MS for nothing.

    2. Re:Strong Words! by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, those are strong words. Real hard news here. News for Trolls maybe.

      You didn't hear? Slashdot's fallen on some hard times, and the marketing consultants decided they needed to liven the traffic stats up a bit with a new slogan:

      Slashdot. News for trolls. Stuff that doesn't matter.

    3. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I think your post got switched around... I'll correct it for you!

      MCSE, MCSDT, Microsoft Office Expert, Well Respected VB Scripting Genius

      Wow, those are strong words. Real hard news here. News for Trolls maybe.

      Just glad I could help!!

    4. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is called VBScript not, VB Script.

    5. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Maybe he's scripting the Visual Basic application... ever think of that?!?! Huh?!?!? Go and stick that penisbird back on your liquid butthole, why don't you?

    6. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      HAHAHA

      "MCSE, MCSDT, Microsoft Office Expert, Well Respected VB Scripting Genius"

      How can one be THAT ridiculous?

      You should probably consider adding:
      "I know how to use a FAX machine, a watch and some Xerox copiers"

      Look, no offense, but with such "skills" you should consider McDonalds or some kind of similar position, monkey.

    7. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably just retard.

    8. Re:Strong Words! by B4RSK · · Score: 5, Funny

      MCSE, MCSDT, Microsoft Office Expert, Well Respected VB Scripting Genius

      You're, uh, new here, right?

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    9. Re:Strong Words! by Unordained · · Score: 3, Funny

      You've been trolled like nobody's business.
      previously, on slashdot ...

    10. Re:Strong Words! by lvdrproject · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hahahahaha... it was funny. The first seventeen-thousand times.

      No offence, but making 'clever' modifications to the Slashdot slogan is getting just a little tired out. :(

    11. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, Way to go.. that's about as qualified as being certified in masturbation.

    12. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and speculates that Microsoft might even consider releasing Longhorn one day...

      Smoke and mirrors if you ask me.

      No M$ Cert...I'm too old for toys.

    13. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Sounds like you gave allot of money to MS for nothing

      And you spent a lot of time at school for nothing

    14. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is your sig a joke?

    15. Re:Strong Words! by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Technology Review is the MIT Alumni magazine. Akamai was founded by MIT professors and alumni, and employs many MIT alums. Technology Review hypes Akamai... hmm, I'll leave you to do the math there.

    16. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Cause that would be... a big change... and all.

    17. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Respected VB Scripting Genius

      Well it's definitely an oxymoron, but I think it's a bit too long to ever really catch on.

    18. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well considering that akamai is a publicly traded company and therfore backed by lots of investors who have put real money into the company, I think google would have to pony up the ~2billion that akamai is currently worth in cash. I highly doubt that a privately held company like google would ever attempt to purchase a publicly held company. What would they buy it with, stock options?

    19. Re:Strong Words! by JET+666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "and how to set the clock on the vcr"

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    20. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just have to buy every share of stock, of corse its hard to keep something like that quite

    21. Re:Strong Words! by platipusrc · · Score: 2, Funny

      What with most of the hiring managers being fairly old (possibly pre-vcr), that is probably a skill worth mentioning, and may even get you closer to the top of the stack since they have no idea how to do it themselves!

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    22. Re:Strong Words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congrats--You've been had.

  3. Gogle uses Akamai already? by bartash · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this Google already outsources their DNS load balancing to Akamai.

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    1. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by mastropiero · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to dig, it is confirmed...

      Just do a dig www.google.com

    2. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      According to this Google already outsources their DNS load balancing to Akamai.

      I hate outsourcing. Outsourcing is destorying our country. Why send jobs overseas when there are plenty of people here already? Saving money isn't worth the long term costs. We should boycot all companies that use outsourcing. I'm going to stop using google and start . . .

      Huh? What?

      Akamai is an American country?

      Oh, that's very different.
      Nevermind.

    3. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by lvdrproject · · Score: 1

      Yes, Akamai is a commonwealth! They can't vote for the president, though~

    4. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by ddent · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know... people are outsouring their telecom needs to so-called "telecom companies"... they outsource their electrical needs to so-called "power companies". Next they will have someone else building their roads!

      Hint: It doesn't always make sense to do everything yourself. Not everything needs to be your core competency.

    5. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by jhunsake · · Score: 1

      I've seen this joke "style" far too often here. It's pretty stupid and hardly funny. Can't you dumbass geeks figure it out when no one laughs at your stupid jokes (except your dumbass geek friends, of course).

    6. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by Entropius · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I was all agreeing with you until you said "core competency". Then I felt like I'd walked into a Dilbert strip.

    7. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're all dumbass geeks here, dumbass.

    8. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by Solosoft · · Score: 1

      ; > DiG 9.2.3 > google.com
      ;; global options: printcmd
      ;; Got answer:
      ;; ->>HEADER;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 0

      ;; QUESTION SECTION:
      ;google.com. IN A

      ;; ANSWER SECTION:
      google.com. 285 IN A 216.239.57.99
      google.com. 285 IN A 216.239.37.99
      google.com. 285 IN A 216.239.39.99

      ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
      google.com. 257237 IN NS ns2.google.com.
      google.com. 257237 IN NS ns3.google.com.
      google.com. 257237 IN NS ns4.google.com.
      google.com. 257237 IN NS ns1.google.com.

      ;; Query time: 103 msec
      ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
      ;; WHEN: Thu Apr 22 00:26:08 2004
      ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 148

      For the lazy people

    9. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by Orgazmus · · Score: 1

      They have money, why should they need vote?

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  4. Hmm... by Xenographic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It also discusses the flame-out of Akamai after its tremendous IPO.

    More reason to hope Google doesn't have an IPO?

    Granted, I'm not convinced that an IPO would necessarily be a bad thing for Google (and I imagine that it might give a significant financial windfall for the current stockholders). Even so, I can imagine an IPO creating more trepidation that Google might, in the future, abandon its "don't be evil" policy and become a more "normal" company in that regard...

    Which is probably a pretty sad commentary about what we consider to be "normal" for companies these days... :/

  5. Akamai is still losing money by alen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I did a quick look up of their finances and they are still losing money. I wonder how long they can keep going like this without being bought out?

    1. Re:Akamai is still losing money by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm surprised they're not able to raise their prices to become profitable. I mean, where else is there to turn for something as strong as Akamai for a bursting-load application?

    2. Re:Akamai is still losing money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In many ways InterNAP competes with Akamai. But, in many ways they are also complementary services.

      But, their business acumen has been all kapakai ever since they decided that it was better to support jingoistic groupthink instead of the marketplace of ideas and refused service to aljazeera.

    3. Re:Akamai is still losing money by SlamMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speedera, for one.

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    4. Re:Akamai is still losing money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only Speedera is a viable competitor to Akamai at this time, for large scale deployment of content - Globix, COLT, Virtue, you name it all tried and failed. Globix won't even provide a sales bid/quotation for this kind of thing any more.

    5. Re:Akamai is still losing money by mcbridematt · · Score: 1

      I watched Bloomberg for a bit on Sunday, and they work on a model that charges customers for excess bandwidth beyond their allocation, and expect their customers to use more 'features' of their service as their bandwidth demands grow..

  6. google speculation by quelrods · · Score: 4, Informative

    There has been lots of speculation on google lately...they might offer stock, they might design their own operating system, why do we enjoy so much speculation about google? C'mon they're busy with Gmail and their secrecy will always out do our guessing.

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    1. Re:google speculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the speculation was that they use their own operation system. Which would make sense for their 'massive distibuted computer'. It would allow them a lot more freedom and tailoring to the specific performance characteristics of their 'distributed computer'.

  7. You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Worldcom's major problem was that they couldn't keep their numbers straight about anything, and had a bad habit of lying to make them bigger. Google's habit is to lie to make the numbers smaller, to the point that they don't even check when compared to each other...

    That's fine for Google's PR people to do today, but it'll never fly at a public company. And, the SEC's definition of "public company" doesn't quite require there to be an IPO, just simply having enough assets split among enough shareholders is enough to require all the same reporting standards that a company that has an exchange-traded stock has to live with.

    So, this is one part of Google's culture that may be about to burst. You can't lie to your potential investors, and when you're a big enough company every member the entire public is considered a potential investor. These understatements are just plain going to have to start getting identified as such with cussioning words like "more than" or "over" coming before them in order to remain legal.

    1. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by pholower · · Score: 1
      You can't lie to your potential investors, and when you're a big enough company every member the entire public is considered a potential investor.

      No you can't lie to your potential investors, but maybe google never intends to become public now. They have more than enough money to beat out even the best Public companies.

      Also, if they do decide for some odd reason to become a public company, nobody said they would have to lie, they could just simply not say anything that their records (that nearly nobody reads) already report. I wouldn't blame them either.

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    2. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Google doesn't necessarily have to publicly report. There is an exception where they only report all the info that they would to the public if they were a public company, to their shareholders only. The idea is that you're supposed to report this info to potential shareholders, and if you're not public, the only potential shareholders are those you are granting shares to. Your statement is false, not every member of the public is considered a potential investor. Now, you're taking a chance that someone would leak the info, but it allows you to stay somewhat private.

      Anyway, the point is that just because they have reached the trigger point of the reporting rules doesn't mean that the exact same rules apply.

    3. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google would only have to report that information to its shareholders who could sit on it if they wanted to... however, if any shareholder wants to sell, then anybody they talk to about selling the shares would have to get the "true" info too.

      Since there's no NDA at all possible, the secrecy would likely crumble very quickly if the shares are all but very thinly traded.

    4. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by Otter · · Score: 2, Interesting
      So, if you pull a bunch of back of the envelope numbers from multiple presentations by multiple Google folks at different times they don't add up? Yes, numbers in their SEC filings will be more exact than that. There's no scandal.

      Every Slashdot story about a Microsoft bug declares it proof of the inferiority of closed source; every Linux bug is proof of the superiority of open source. You don't see Taco being dragged off to share a cell with Martha Stewart.

      In any case, Google's product is search results while Akamai's is bandwidth. It's not astonishing that Akamai is more precise about something that's the core of their service but just a fun footnote at Google.

    5. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      There's a big diference between reporting news about others (where you're allowed to be inaccurate or opinionated) and reporting about yourself, which you'd better be able to get the right numbers since you have access to the right numbers.

      Of course, Google can just shut up and not disclose any non-money stats, but there'd be a big problem with not qualifying their stats when they know they're being downgraded.

    6. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, if they're not public, you can't just sell to any joe schmoe. So it's still "within the family".

      Furhter, I believe that beyond the very inner circle, most of the "shareholders" currently are actually holding options, not actual shares. You can't sell that.

    7. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by Uber+Banker · · Score: 4, Informative

      The point is because they have an employee compensation scheme (plus lots of VC investors) that lets so many employees 'invest' in the company the SEC will treat them like a listed company. That is fact. So if they are going to be treated like a listed company and get none of the benefit why not just get listed.

      That is what the parent said. It doesn't matter that no one can invest in it... it is treated as having the entire public as potential investors by the SEC (the reason being lots of people (mainly staff by numbers) have an investment in the company).

      To suggest nearly nobody reads reports, though, is pathetic. Share options in your employer, your annual insurance and savings plan reports... If you don't look after your money I hope you don't cry to the government when someone does funny things with it (WorldCom, Putnam, who else?)...

    8. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Informative
      but maybe google never intends to become public now. They have more than enough money to beat out even the best Public companies.

      Maybe so, but as the poster above pointed out, they may have to behave like a public company, and so, may go IPO if they lose the benefits of being private.

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    9. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by afidel · · Score: 1

      Wrong, if you are required to file with the SEC ALL info in the report is public knowledge.

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    10. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every Slashdot story about a Microsoft bug declares it proof of the inferiority of closed source; every Linux bug is proof of the superiority of open source. You don't see Taco being dragged off to share a cell with Martha Stewart.

      Wow, what a great comparison there between editorials being posted on Slashdot and filing accurate information with the SEC.

    11. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You don't see Taco being dragged off to share a cell with Martha Stewart.

      Ya, Taco is giving his opinion on the subject. It would be hard for the CEO of a company to claim to the SEC that it is his "opinion" that the company earned $4 million that year, even though SEC only shows $3 million.

  8. Akamai exec by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Didn't one of Akamai's executives (a founder maybe?) die in the September 11 attacks? Did that have any effect on Akamai's stock performance?

    1. Re:Akamai exec by bartash · · Score: 2, Informative

      Akamai Technologies lost co-founder and CTO Daniel C. Lewin on American Airlines Flight 11.

      http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1460 55 1

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    2. Re:Akamai exec by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Didn't one of Akamai's executives (a founder maybe?) die in the September 11 attacks? Did that have any effect on Akamai's stock performance?

      One of the founders, the CTO, was on American Airlines flight 11, which hit the WTC. No mention of what happened to the stock, but it sure hit company morale hard.

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    3. Re:Akamai exec by damiena · · Score: 3, Informative

      In September 2001, Akamai's stock had already plummetted to a fraction of its peak value. The price finally bottomed out about a year later and has been slowly climbing back up ever since.

    4. Re:Akamai exec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redundant? My arse. Show me a comment in this thread before the parent that mentions Mr. Lewin. I think some mods don't know what "redundant" means.

    5. Re:Akamai exec by Adrian+De+Leon · · Score: 1

      Damn, I am such a geek. Your sig is from a BtVS episode, 'Tabula Rasa', where the gang looses their memory.

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    6. Re:Akamai exec by ender- · · Score: 1

      Redundant because that very fact was mentioned in the article. Therefore it is redundant.

      Ender-

    7. Re:Akamai exec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the founders, the CTO, was on American Airlines flight 11, which hit the WTC. No mention of what happened to the stock, but it sure hit company morale hard.

      It sure hit the WTC hard too... Hard enough to make that fucker collapse.

    8. Re:Akamai exec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Danny Lewin. He was the MIT student who worked with Dr.Tom Leighton on the intial algorithms in response to a task set by Tim Berners-Lee.

      In a cruel twist of irony, his technology was one of the few "buffers" that allowed his own death to be broadcast on the web via a few news sites when most others were hit into submission.

  9. They're not going to merge, they can't. by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be fair, there are important differences between Google and Akamai, differences that assure that Google won't be breaking into Akamai's business anytime soon, nor Akamai moving into Google's. Both companies have developed infrastructure for running massively parallel systems, but the applications that they are running on top of those systems are different. Google's primary application is a search engine. Akamai, by contrast, has developed a system for delivering Web pages, streaming media, and a variety of other standard Internet protocols.

    Two businesses in completely different lines of work don't usually make good merger partners. They're neither competitors nor in a supplier/customer relationship.

    To put it mildly... merging the Google network into the Akamai network would likely be a nightmare. They're doing two completely different things. There's just no sense trying to mix them. So, there's not much of a reason for Google to either hire or aquire Akamai. They're devising GMail for their own resources, I doubt that'd be an application that could instantly port over to Akamai.

    They might make sense to be commonly owned, but there's certainly no way that common owner would want to mix the two networks.

    1. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two businesses in completely different lines of work don't usually make good merger partners.

      You mean like AOL and Time Warner? or Vivendi and Universal? I'd tend to agree there then...

    2. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are in a minor supplier/customer relationship. Akamai does DNS load balancing for Google. There's something Akamai does for cheaper than Google can do themselves...

      Akamai doesn't deal with end users ever.

      Google has lots of smart people thinking about end user applications for distributed systems.
      Akamai has lots of smart people thinking about business applications for distributed systems.

      Akamai has a more widely distributed network .
      Google has a more centralized network.
      They're probably of a comparable size.

      Merging the networks would be brick-stupid.
      Applying good ideas from each network to the other could be very advantageous.

      Giving both groups of smart people a slightly different distributed system to work with might be very productive.

      It'd be a good way for Google to grow it's headcount.

      (Please, contradict me if I'm talking stupid. Happens all the time.)

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    3. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by sweetooth · · Score: 1

      Google is using Akamai's DNS service now. So they are in a customer/supplier relationship... however I doubt that's enough of a reason for them to buy Akamai.

    4. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      >Please, contradict me if I'm talking stupid. Happens all the time.

      I misread that as "please contract me" ... was wondering if you knew the bubble burst back before y2k ...

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    5. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by DA-MAN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to this link, Google is not one of their customers.

      Where the hell are people getting this info from? When I whois google.com I see the following:

      Registrant:
      Google Inc. (DOM-258879)
      2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View CA 94043 US

      Domain Name: google.com

      Registrar Name: Alldomains.com
      Registrar Whois: whois.alldomains.com
      Registrar Homepage: http://www.alldomains.com

      Administrative Contact:
      DNS Admin (NIC-1340142) Google Inc.
      2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View CA 94043 US
      dns-admin@google.com +1.6503300100 Fax- +1.6506181499
      Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      DNS Admin (NIC-1340144) Google Inc.
      2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View CA 94043 US
      dns-admin@google.com +1.6503300100 Fax- +1.6506181499

      Created on..............: 1997-Sep-15.
      Expires on..............: 2011-Sep-14.
      Record last updated on..: 2003-Apr-07 10:42:46.

      Domain servers in listed order:

      NS3.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.36.10
      NS4.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.38.10
      NS1.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.32.10
      NS2.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.34.10

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    6. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by generic-man · · Score: 2, Informative

      Use dig. When I run 'dig www.google.com', I see this:

      ;; ANSWER SECTION:
      www.google.com. 3600 IN CNAME www.google.akadns.net.
      www.google.akadns.net.&nb sp; 300 IN A 64.233.167.99
      www.google.akadns.net. 300 IN A 64.233.167.104

      Slashdot won't let me post the whole output due to their filters, but try it yourself.

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    7. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by sweetooth · · Score: 2, Informative
      Look a little deeper.
      dig www.google.com

      www.google.com. IN A

      ANSWER SECTION:
      www.google.com. 3600 IN CNAME www.google.akadns.net.
      www.google.akadns.net.&amp ;nb sp; 300 IN A 66.102.7.104
      www.google.akadns.net. 300 IN A 66.102.7.99

      AUTHORITY SECTION:
      akadns.net. 172800 IN NS a-93.akadns.net.
      etc....

      whois akadns.net

      Registrant:
      Akamai Technologies, Inc.
      8 Cambridge Center
      Cambridge, MA 02142
      US

      Domain name: AKADNS.NET

      wow, now was that so hard?
  10. Slash by strike2867 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lets hope we don't Slashdot google. Anyone have a mirror?

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    1. Re:Slash by i_am_pi · · Score: 4, Funny
    2. Re:Slash by nekoniku · · Score: 3, Funny

      I Googled Google and it imploded.

      Sorry... :(

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    3. Re:Slash by the+idoru · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Slash by Xzzy · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Sure, here's google's cache of google:

      clicky

    5. Re:Slash by strAtEdgE · · Score: 2, Funny

      I prefer the Google cache.

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    6. Re:Slash by windside · · Score: 1

      Did you notice the one mistake? The angled brackets beside "more" are pointing the wrong way on the mirror site (">>" on real site is not flipped on mirror).

      Cool link, though. Is that done dynamically?

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    7. Re:Slash by strike2867 · · Score: 1

      I don't think its done dynamically. In the FAQ he did say he programmed it, but Im guessing it was just basic html. Another giveaway is the image. That would be pretty interesting to do dynamically.

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    8. Re:Slash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, here you go.

  11. Searching by yourself is futile... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    10,000+ servers!!!

    WOW!! 6 years ago Google was an ity bity startup in someones garage.
    A testimony to the American Dream or a fine example of monopoly at work? [OK there not 100%, but neither is MS]

    Paranoia check? How much of that 4+ petabytes is devoted to YOU? :E

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    1. Re:Searching by yourself is futile... by be-fan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google is hardly a monopoly. There are almost no barriers to entry in their market. There is lots of healthy competition (Altavista, Yahoo, AOL, MSN). I repeat: there are almost no barriers to entry in their market.

      The case for Microsoft is 180-degrees in the opposite direction.

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    2. Re:Searching by yourself is futile... by drsmithy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Google is hardly a monopoly. There are almost no barriers to entry in their market.

      You mean apart from:

      Developing superior (or even equivalent) indexing/searching software (mucho $)

      Purchasing and housing sufficient hardware resources to make that software usable (more $)

      Indexing enough content to make your service useful (mucho time to be spending above mucho $).

      The barriers of entry into the search engine market - at least today - would be *huge*.

    3. Re:Searching by yourself is futile... by Thanatopsis · · Score: 1

      The barrier to entry is the GFS (Google File System) and the platform. Google essential built the world's largest computer. That sort of knowledge (how to scale 100,000 machines) is hard. The problem set is quite hard. Google has it's eye on more than search, that's for certain. The barrier to entry for anyone is actually quite huge.

    4. Re:Searching by yourself is futile... by ndpatel · · Score: 1

      being the best at something isn't the same as prohibiting them from competing.

      as a corollary, the presence of good competition is not a barrier to entry.

      microsoft bundled a browser and didn't let netscape in on the same space. that's a barrier to entry. what's google going to do, shut down the internet and only let people access google?

      *blinks*

      holy shit.

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    5. Re:Searching by yourself is futile... by be-fan · · Score: 1

      That's all just the cost of making a better product. That doesn't present a barrier to entry. In the economic sense, a barrier to entry is something unrelated to the product itself. For example, if a phone company owns all the phone lines in a country, there is a huge barrier to entry. If most software runs only on Windows, that's a huge barrier to entry. Thus, potential competitors are prevented from entering the market, even if they have a better product.

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    6. Re:Searching by yourself is futile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IF the "american dream" implies market economy -- then we don't know yet. Wait at least until after the Google IPO. Right now there's only investors to satisfy so Google can deliver what the customers want, but then there'll be shareholders to satify. And we all know what they can do to a company .. (bitter)

    7. Re:Searching by yourself is futile... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      WOW!! 6 years ago Google was an ity bity startup in someones garage.
      A testimony to the American Dream or a fine example of monopoly at work? [OK there not 100%, but neither is MS]
      Google was never a startup in someones garage. Google started at a university, and grew using grants, scholarships, and grunt work from other students. They are quite ready to become a 'real company' as they have the 'use other peoples money for our own purposes' part down quit pat.
  12. PR8 on the akamai homepage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe akamai can get some additional revenue by selling text links on their homepage. Akamai's PR8 could boost my rankings for certain keywords on google!

  13. I'd post the standard google cache response... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    but it's been done a few times already. Not really funny anymore.

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    1. Re:I'd post the standard google cache response... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is /. certain things are always funny. you just hope someone gets them outta the way fast.

    2. Re:I'd post the standard google cache response... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bunny has a trident. Sticking out of his head?!

  14. FlameOut Indeed by frostyboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fall of 1999 - Akamai is at $150 per share shortly after IPO.

    Jan 2000 - Akamai is at $325 per share.

    Now the interesting bit. If someone were to have $650 laying around and bought 2 shares of Akamai in January of 2000, they would have about $28 left now.

    If I had, instead, in January of 2000 bought 59 12 packs of rolling rock beer for $11 each w/deposit (which I assure you was around the going rate back then) in a bottle-deposit state, I could have enjoyed all of that beer and I'd have $36.40 if I turned the bottles back in.

    Moral: drink more beer, speculate on the stock market less

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    1. Re:FlameOut Indeed by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      You're overlooking that:

      • You'd be tens of lbs fatter
      • You'd have lost your driver's license for DUI
      • You'd have strange callouses from opening the bottles.
      • You'd need to buy a new carpet.
      • uhm...
      • Your cat would look around nervously when you came into the room.
      • err...
      • You'd be all out of beer by now...
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    2. Re:FlameOut Indeed by 4what4 · · Score: 2, Informative

      ok.... I'll byte...

      If you had $650 a year and a half ago and bought akamai at @ .80 you would have $7280.... ....or 661.81 12 packs of the old nunber "6"

    3. Re:FlameOut Indeed by Myridon · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the other hand, if someone were to have $650 laying around and bought 915 shares of Akamai in September of 2002, they would have $12,746 now.

    4. Re:FlameOut Indeed by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you have $650, why not buy some good beer?

      Tim

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    5. Re:FlameOut Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My take on Rolling Rock. Maybe just an example beer you selected but anyway..

      In the mid 80's when I was a teenager with little money and a strong desire to get drunk, the amount of money in my pocket on a Friday night determined what was going to get me drunk. When I had very little, it was MD 20/20 wine with grain and kool-aid as a close second. Slightly more could buy beer like Rolling Rock, Mickey's Big mouth, Silver Thunder, Red White and Blue, Black Label and a few others. The goal was MGD in bottles.
      Not to knock Rolling Rock but I was from the Latrobe PA area where it was made. It did not have the taste or reputation as a good beer.

      Fast forward 5-7 years to a night club in downtown Seattle. I see just about everyone holding a Rolling Rock. I remembered that brand from years ago. First thing that pops into my mind is this whole club must be full of people with no money. Further investigation revealed they are not poor, they actually are paying MORE for it and enjoying it. I figured maybe RR sold out to a larger company and changed something. I buy one myself and notice the same style bottle with Latrobe still printed on the bottle, well maybe they changed the taste. I give it try and suddenly it all came back. The same taste almost resulted in a flashback... I checked my wallet, saw that I was indeed not broke and ordered an MGD..

    6. Re:FlameOut Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to knock Rolling Rock but I was from the Latrobe PA area where it was made. It did not have the taste or reputation as a good beer.

      I grew up in Bedford County, which is maybe 60-70 miles from Latrobe. Ditto as far as the reputation of RR locally. It got completely yuppified, and I was baffled to see it become a popular, upscale beer. I view it on a level with Iron City. I'll take it over, say, Coors Light, but I'm really not a big booster of it as a beer. As far as it being a means to extract money from ignorant yuppies and pump it into the local economy, I'm all for it.

      Basically, as Perrier is to the French (a way to get money from stupid Americans), Rolling Rock is to western PA (a way to get money from stupid yuppies).

  15. just one by nurmr · · Score: 1

    please can i have just one :-)

  16. More power to Akamai! by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I discovered the power of Akamai last year during the "a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/cwc2003/default .stm">2003 Cricket World Cup. A company called and the DD/NOW tied up to webcast around 50 eight-ten hour long cricket matches live last May.

    I was amazed with the quality of the video - almost no latency (when compared to simultaneous TV broadcast) and very high resolution. Some investigation revealed that they were caching video off the local Akamai servers in the area. Akamai is underrated for sure - atleast compared to Google but they have the POWER!

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    1. Re:More power to Akamai! by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

      I discovered the power of Akamai last year during the 2003 Cricket World Cup. ... I was amazed with the quality of the video - almost no latency.

      That's the great thing about streaming media: As the number of viewers approaches zero, the media quality approaches perfection.

    2. Re:More power to Akamai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for akamai, it's 15,000+ servers now. =)

  17. Distribution vs. Density by -tji · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google & Akamai are similar in that they both use clusters of computers to do extremely high performance tasks. While there could be some great possibilities by combining the two, this is definitely not a "no brainer". Their models are different enough to make it difficult.

    Akamai's business is distributing servers around the Internet, to maximize the efficiency of the web connections to them. They distribute the workload, and minimize the network distance needed for each person to connect. So, they need a large number of sites, each with a small number of servers (small relative to Google).

    Google has a small number of sites, with a huge number of servers. Those servers are heavily dependent on one another. As mentioned in the article, they use Google's file system technology to aggregate to huge database. If that same structure was divided up into smaller chunks that were highly distributed, the back-end cluster performance would suffer because of the WAN links interconnecting them.

    I'm sure Google will continue to grow, and create more data centers. But, they will need a different structure than Akamai uses.

  18. Personally by chadamir · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think that simon and garfinkle should stick to music.

    1. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think that simon and garfinkle should stick to music.
      I don't think Art Garfunkle would appreciate you calling him "garfinkle" :)
    2. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think Art Garfunkel would appreciate you calling him "Garfunkle" :)

  19. or you could actually read the article... by funny-jack · · Score: 2

    Or, you could actually read the article, wherein lies this quote:

    Akamai's cofounder and chief technology officer Danny Lewin was aboard American Airlines Flight 11 on September 11 and was killed when the plane was flown into the World Trade Center.

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    1. Re:or you could actually read the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.) Interestingly enough, I had lunch today with an Akamai rep. Towards the end of the lunch, Mr. Lewin's untimely demise came up. The salesman mentioned that Mr. Lewin actually died before the plane hit the building, as there is a recording of a stewardess phoning someone that "9B just slit the throat of 10B". Lewin was sitting in 10B, and someone with an Arabic name, one of the hijackers, was in 9B. So he has the distinction of being the first victim on 9/11.

    2. Re:or you could actually read the article... by great+throwdini · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The salesman mentioned that Mr. Lewin actually died before the plane hit the building, as there is a recording of a stewardess phoning someone that "9B just slit the throat of 10B". Lewin was sitting in 10B, and someone with an Arabic name, one of the hijackers, was in 9B.

      Actually, according to reports, he was shot. The FAA draft memo says as much. However, the FAA's final draft omits mention of gunfire.

  20. messed that up.... by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I discovered the power of Akamai last year during the 2003 Cricket World Cup. A company called Wisden and DD/NOW tied up to webcast around 50 eight-ten hour long cricket matches live last May.

    I was amazed with the quality of the video - almost no latency (when compared to simultaneous TV broadcast) and very high resolution. Some investigation revealed that they were caching video off the local Akamai servers in the area. Akamai is underrated for sure - atleast compared to Google but they have the POWER!

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  21. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't by David+Hume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair, there are important differences between Google and Akamai, differences that assure that Google won't be breaking into Akamai's business anytime soon, nor Akamai moving into Google's. Both companies have developed infrastructure for running massively parallel systems, but the applications that they are running on top of those systems are different. Google's primary application is a search engine. Akamai, by contrast, has developed a system for delivering Web pages, streaming media, and a variety of other standard Internet protocols.


    Two businesses in completely different lines of work don't usually make good merger partners. They're neither competitors nor in a supplier/customer relationship.


    In any other industry, this might be true. I'm not sure it is true here.

    Perhaps I'm being simplistic, but wouldn't it make some economic sense to be in the business of searching and indexing the very same web pages that you are already hosting? Wouldn't there be some cost savings? Some, gulp, synergies? Savings on hardware? Bandwidth? Optimizing your web hosting to make search more efficient or productive?

  22. Sick of all the buying by gnu-sucks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, in the past few months, I've heard more about one company buying another company than I'd care to hear:

    IBM will buy SCO
    Apple will buy Real
    Microsoft will buy everyone

    And now this. Don't people realize there is more to 'buying' a company than ordering fries and a coke? Also, sometimes its advantages not to buy a company, but rather, to create a partnership, or even to just buy or license IPO.

    The *other* way companies of similar persuasion exist at the same time, other than just eating each other, is to COMPETE.

    That is the point of our economy. Rather than having large fish eat the small fish, and then be left with nothing but big fish and us (fish food), the big fish and the small fish should compete for our business by making their offerings more attractive.

    1. Re:Sick of all the buying by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      I think it's just the evolutionary way of the business world, particularly with regard to any new territory. New technology comes out, a large number of competitors enter the market, one or two end up winning and buying out the others, liquidate their assets, and then the unemployed go on to find a new tech to exploit.

      Speaking of which, I'm temping right now at Origin's offices here in Austin, cleaning out all the leftovers. Can you say free goodies!? Man, it may be a week at $10/hr, but when you count all the crap I'm getting to take home, this job has been one of the best paying I've had in a long time...

  23. You should also check out... by halepark · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...Simson Garfinkel's other article titled "Parsly, Sayge, Rosemari and Time"

    1. Re:You should also check out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THYME, THYME... It's thyme you hale parking idiot!

  24. The article misses the point by Arch_dude · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Akamai's fundamental premis is flawed. The premis is that core bandwidth is scarce, so high-hit web pages should be replicated "locally." Therefore, Akamai servers are scattered all over the place.

    By contrast, Google has a whole bunch of computers in each of a very few places. This completely changes the economics.

    The reason Akamai's premis is flawed is simple: core bandwidth is cheap, because the core was overbuilt during the bubble and because of the incredible advances in core technologies. By contrast, the last mile is still constrained, primarily because of monopolies and politics.

    The effect of this is that once your packet gets from your house to the first router, the rest of the internet is all effectively an equal cost from you.

    1. Re:The article misses the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not correct when you consider the amount of bandwidth being used. Akamai hosts download.microsoft.com, for example, which just couldn't cope with being hosted all in one place with fat pipes.

    2. Re:The article misses the point by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and that's also the reason every MSFT story with a file link (patch or whatever) inevitably has some slashbot do a netcraft lookup on download.microsoft.com, then proudly announce how he discovered that microsoft (akamai) uses linux.

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    3. Re:The article misses the point by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

      Akami is also providing CPU cycles on all those servers, as in the Logitech example.

    4. Re:The article misses the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha yes. I wouldn't expect anything less from these idiots though.

    5. Re:The article misses the point by Arch_dude · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but Google is a case in point, and Google serves more data than download.microoft.com, I think. Akami has 14K servers. If you put them all in one place and give them 100Mbps each, and it's all used at the same time, it is 1400Gpbs. That's fourteen 10Gpbs ports on a core router facing the data center plus 14 ports facing the internet. That's not enough to fill up a single Juniper T640, or a single DWDM fiber.

    6. Re:The article misses the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Akamai hosts a lot lot more than download.microsoft.com.

      Anyway, Google is split between several locations too. You're forgetting the fact that the traffic has to go somewhere after the data centre .. it's just not logical to hold it all in one place.

      Let's face it, you don't really know what you're talking about, eh? Still, if sitting on Slashdot spitting out buzzwords makes you feel better then go for it.

    7. Re:The article misses the point by Single+GNU+Theory · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, I think you've missed the point of Akamai. Akamai is in the delivery business, but bandwidth is only part of that. Akamai delivers content, and is capable of delivering CPU cycles as well. You have also forgotten about the other last mile: the content provider's Internet connection. Most people don't go buying themselves a direct-backbone connection to put up their websites- that's left to their ISP or their ISP's ISP.

      Take, for example, a website linked to in a Slashdot front-page article. The HDD cannon today seems to have been hosed pretty badly by the Slashdot Effect. First problem was that the provider's bandwidth was not nearly enough to serve what was apparently a graphics-heavy page (I don't know- I never even got to see it!). The second problem was that even if it had been a simple page, it still takes a fair amount of power to serve a large number of simultaneous requests.

      Had that web site operator used Akamai's services, the Slashdot Effect might not have been able to make the content unavailable. Instead of one last mile to the provider being clogged, the traffic is distributed among all of Akamai's "last miles". At the same time, no one server has to cope with answering all those requests in a timely manner.

      Google can get away with a few datacenters full of servers. The bandwidth to any one Google datacenter can probably be planned for and new pipes provisioned pretty readily as they grow and expand services. Akamai is there for other uses- for example, hosting video streams of immensely popular but short-shelf-lifed sporting events. If the sanctioning body for a sport invested in enough infrastructure to provide it themselves, it would be underutilized out of season. If Akamai does it, they can host video streams of the baseball World Series for MLB, then the Superbowl for the NFL, then March Madness for the NCAA, and those organizations don't have servers sitting around twiddling virtual thumbs in the off season.

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    8. Re:The article misses the point by Arch_dude · · Score: 1

      Everything you say is completely valid, but you still miss my point. Akamai could provide all of these services from a small number of large data centers rather than a large numger of small data centers. This is why Akamai's costs are higher than Google's costs, and will remain so. When you are in a large number of places, you cannot take advantage of economies of scale in CPU upgrade, etc.

    9. Re:The article misses the point by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ah, but the grandparents point is that given the same number of CPU's and the same amount of agregate bandwidth the same task can be performed no matter if the servers are at the edge or the core. He asserts that core bandwidth is super cheap and so agregate bandwidth is achievable at the core. This ignores a large part of Akami's business model which is that they don't pay ISP's for edge bandwidth! I know that my ISP was happy to get an Akami cluster on their LAN because it saved them peering cost for Akami hosted high bandwidth content that their customers were viewing. Heck I don't think they even charged them for power and AC =)

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    10. Re:The article misses the point by Single+GNU+Theory · · Score: 1

      Google and Akamai do different things. Sure, it would be possible for Akamai to run things from a few huge datacenters. But I'm not at all convinced that it would save them money.

      Akamai does content delivery. Per end user, Akamai probably delivers lots more bits on average than the typical surfer gets searching a few pages from Google. Remember, one of the things Google uses to be fast is that their layout is pretty light bandwidth-wise (all-text ads, you know?).

      The more datacenters Akamai has, the closer they are to the recipients of that content (ultimately, they're the ones paying for the whole thing through either subscriptions or by being shown enough ads). Closer in the physical sense of geography, and in the sense of there's a chance that a link that's closer geographically is also closer network-wise. The less packets have to travel, the less latency and the less chance for them to get lost along the way.

      Akamai probably drops most of their servers in ISPs anyway. They have, what, 2,000 datacenters? The ISPs are footing the bills for their own servers anyway, so a couple more boxes in the server room isn't going to make a big difference to each ISP. Then, the ISP's customers get especially close to the premium content delivered by the Akamai servers.

      This sort of setup would be way cheaper for Akamai than trying to maintain a few huge centers (bandwidth, HVAC, power, people). And Akamai just works on getting data to the edge of the network just once as efficiently as possible.

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    11. Re:The article misses the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, delivering lots of small content across thousands of miles, at least with the current implementation of TCP, is SLOOOOOW.

    12. Re:The article misses the point by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Akamai saves ISPs bandwidth costs.

      Think of how many windows PCs there are, how many GBs of service packs and updates downloaded per day.

      If an ISP's customers download the stuff from Akamai clusters located in the ISP, that's much cheaper for the ISP than customers downloading it from Redmond, USA.

      ISPs can and do use caching servers, however some stuff could intentionally be noncacheable for various reasons. The content owner then uses Akamai so that even if stuff is noncacheable, they still get what they want.

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    13. Re:The article misses the point by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

      Akamai probably drops most of their servers in ISPs anyway. They have, what, 2,000 datacenters? The ISPs are footing the bills for their own servers anyway, so a couple more boxes in the server room isn't going to make a big difference to each ISP. Then, the ISP's customers get especially close to the premium content delivered by the Akamai servers.

      This is precisely the reason that my ISP has Akamai boxes -- our customers are essentially on the same network with no hops from Akamai. It saves us bandwidth and increases performance for our users. Akamai prepopulates the box with content from their network so that it is retrieved once from the internet side of our network and it can be delivered many times to our user side.

      Think of it as akamai-specific caching.

      Sure, Akamai could distribute content from datacenters, but they don't have to pay to use the power and hvac of my ISP and they don't need to rent space. It's a win-win symbiotic relationship that they have with ISPs.

      GF.

    14. Re:The article misses the point by Single+GNU+Theory · · Score: 1

      Oh, sure, go ahead and post a more informed, succinctly written comment why don'cha? :-)

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    15. Re:The article misses the point by mikis · · Score: 1

      Um, you'd need 140 10Gbps ports, not fourteen.

    16. Re:The article misses the point by Arch_dude · · Score: 1

      True. Somewhere beteen my brain and the "submit" button, I dropped the assumption that there would be ten data centers, each with a router. Note that the equivalent of these routers already exists in a distributes fashion to accomodate the Akamai nodes. THe basic point remains: Akamai (or a competitor) could provide its true service (dynamic, automatic expansion of server capacity) more efficiently if it would jsut get past its focus on "locality." "Locality" solves a non-problem.

    17. Re:The article misses the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It beats "me too!"

      -GF

  25. Taller, Less talented men by minusthink · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "has an article by Simson Garfinkel that compares the huge distributed systems run by Google and Akamai"

    I'm not sure why he's even doing it, but Art Garfunkel should pick a better alias.

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    "when life gets complicated, I like to take a nap in a tree and wait for dinner" - Hobbes.
  26. Big ol' computer by aaron240 · · Score: 1

    I hope Google really is, as the rumors state, going to go nuts creating grid-type apps for general consumption. I have no idea what they might do, but it will bode well for Linux. Now, how's Windows doing in the grid field?

  27. Who was the article by again? by goatpunch · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    An article by Simon & Garfunkel?

  28. Google cache by NicolaiBSD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Slashdotted, here's the Google cache.

  29. Translation by telstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Simson Garfinkel ... speculates that Google might even consider buying Akamai"

    Translation... Simson Garfinkel owns mountains of Akamai that's worth a fraction of what he paid for it during its IPO, and is hoping that his "speculation" drives its value up.

    1. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a way, yes. Those who bought during the dotcom bubble made huge losses.
      Also, akamai is making losses right now. The company has some nice technology that is useful to google. But I would not be surprised if google bought akamai.

  30. Web consumers can only do so much at a time... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of Akamai's hidden talents basically safely oversubscribe their systems because there's no way all of their customers can be at their peak resource usage at the same. Web usage is in part a zero-sum game... if thousands of people are running to their computer after being invited the same URL by a Super Bowl commercial, it's safe to assume that those thousands of people are not hitting CNN.com. Sure, some people not interested in the game might be at CNN's site, but they're not going to be part of the throng headed to the advertised site.

    They don't really need to have enough systems so that every site can have its peak usage all at once. They just need to be able to absorb their market share of the entire World Wide Web activity at any given moment. They don't particularlly care which site you hit... they know that any spike at one is most likely going to come at the expense of other sites, and that they run a good chunk of those sites that are going to have the corrisponding decreases in traffic. They're basically assured that almost nobody downloads an iTunes song and watches a TechTV video clip at the same time.

  31. too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I understand that we are not allowed to imagine beowulf clusters of these.

    pity

    1. Re:too bad by stienman · · Score: 1

      No, but apparently in Google Moonbase web sites cache Google!

      -Adam

  32. Re:Akam"ai is still losing money by conteXXt · · Score: 4, Funny

    " I mean, where else is there to turn for something as strong as Akamai for a bursting-load application?"

    This is a Viagra troll, isn't it?

    --
    The truth about Led Zep should never be told on /. (Karma suicide ensues)
  33. Missing the point by winkydink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The takeaway I got from the article wasn't Google buying Akamai, it was, as another poster mentioned, that there is no barrier to entry in the search market. If you couple that with taking advantage of Akamai's technology on the back end and some savvy, well-funded business people (their names begin with V & C), you could become the next Google, by beating Google at their own game and not have to worry about developing the underlying technology (which Google does).

    --

    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

  34. obvious to everybody in the room... by dcfix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...he repeated that figure of 1,000 queries per second--but he said that the measure was made at 2:00 a.m. on December 25, 2001. His point, obvious to everybody in the room, is that even by November 2002, Google was doing a lot more than 1,000 queries per second--just how many more, though, was anybody's guess.

    What's obvious to me is that the metrics were taken at 2am on Christmas morning... not that they were taken a year earlier.

    --
    What cod piece?
    1. Re:obvious to everybody in the room... by Drakonian · · Score: 1

      I think Nov 2002 was when the presentation was.

      --
      Random is the New Order.
    2. Re:obvious to everybody in the room... by dcfix · · Score: 1

      Ummm, the author made it seem as if the numbers were low because they were created a year before the presentation. While this was probably true, he missed the fact that it was 2am Christmas morning, when comparitively no one was online.

      --
      What cod piece?
  35. September 11th, 2001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Akamai co-founder and chief technology officer Daniel Lewin died in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. He was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 11 when it crashed into the World Trade Center north tower.

    Think that had any negative effect on Akamai's fortune?

  36. Re:Bridge Over Troubled Servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just want to say thanks, for you vocalising what so many of us think about the retarded sense of humour some of these people have.

  37. Re:Wait wait...I read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was sitting here contemplating suicide, but your funny rant really cheered me up somehow. Thanks man - and I really mean it, thanks.

  38. ping www.google.com by Knights+who+say+'INT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmmm.
    # ping www.google.com

    PING www.google.akadns.net (216.239.51.104): 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 216.239.51.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=239 time=289.6 ms
    64 bytes from 216.239.51.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=239 time=251.1 ms
    64 bytes from 216.239.51.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=239 time=278.4 ms
    64 bytes from 216.239.51.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=239 time=298.3 ms
    64 bytes from 216.239.51.104: icmp_seq=4 ttl=239 time=256.9 ms

  39. I think you mistake the point of Akamai... by Slump · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...at least from a customer's prospective.

    We're one of Akamai's larger customers.

    We use them because the traffic patterns on our websites include 10x (and up) spikes in traffic during news and weather events.

    These events are specifically times when we CANNOT be unavailable. We live and die by those events.

    But, those events are not very often - perhaps a few per month.

    Akamai allows us to serve this massive traffic spikes without requring us to maintain a massive overhead in servers and bandwidth that goes unused most of the time.

    Each site in our network has a geographically localized audience, but across the network as a whole, we have users everwhere.

    Edge Serving allows us to provide extremely low latency service to all of those users - and providing a much greater resistance to core internet connection issues.

    Further, Akamai provides us with massive redundancy. A single (or group of few) datacenter, not matter how large and well designed, is still not as redundant as the Akamai network.

    Finally, if our origins become unavailable for whatever reason, our sites live on, completely available on the edge (albeit, growing stale as time goes on) while we restore origin connectivity.

    Then we have EdgeJava, Akamai Network Storage, the video serving, etc.

    Our latest web project (which will become quite popular in mid-late August) will be served entirely from the Edge using Akamai.

    1. Re:I think you mistake the point of Akamai... by Inthewire · · Score: 1

      Our latest web project (which will become quite popular in mid-late August)

      Glad to know someone reads the business plan.

      --


      Writers imply. Readers infer.
    2. Re:I think you mistake the point of Akamai... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You may also take a look at www.netli.com - they compete with Akamai, but in different manner - they specialize in dynamic content delivery acceleration.

  40. A Google/Akamai merger could work imho... by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 1

    Two businesses in completely different lines of work don't usually make good merger partners. They're neither competitors nor in a supplier/customer relationship.

    If they're doing two totally different things, then there's no product overlap (and thus need to reconcile drop otherwise valuable product lines). So that's usually *good* for a merger. Particularly if the two companies sell to the same sort of customers in a reasonable number of cases. If that's true there might be some sales savings from calling on the customer with one sales call from a combined entity rather than two sales calls if run totally independently. Likewise there would be ability for product tie-ins, bundling, marketing, advertising, etc.

    Google sells keywords to online businesses, while Akamai sells DNS and video hosting. I think you could have a business that does all of the above and benefits from having them all under the same roof. So I'm not as pessimistic as you.

    Also, GE does pretty well at buying companies that are totally different. I think where things go wrong is if the management of the acquiring company doesn't have the expertise to even understand/manage the acquired company business; e.g. Vivendi buying SGI or something. I think the Google management would be able to manage a business like Akamai's; it's reasonably similar in many respects.

    I'd consider it if I were Google. Whether I'd pursue it or not would depend on Akamai's valuation and how much money they're losing, as well as whether the distraction is worth the synergy and whether Google couldn't build it for cheaper than they could buy it (with opportunity costs factored in).

    --LP

  41. Oddly appropriate song by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    They say that Richard Cory owns one half of this whole town, With political connections to spread his wealth around. Born into society, a banker's only child, He had everything a man could want: power, grace, and style.

    I have no idea why that came to mind...

  42. Charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I never read another article by that charlatan Simson Garfinkel it will be a week too late.

    He makes us Jews everywhere look bad.

    Boycott him!

  43. Slashdot needs Akamai by muck1969 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For all the sites that have been slashdotted into oblivion, it would neat to have Akamai cache the target site and have Slashdot link via Akamai.

    Maybe I'm talkin' out of my arse and this isn't possible. It sounds plausible to me ... or maybe it's a money issue. I dunno. Anyone able to confirm this?

    --
    m.mmm..myyy ... sssissxxxtthh bbboottle offf mmmmmoouunnnttain ddeeewww.. in thhe pppassst ffffif
    1. Re:Slashdot needs Akamai by dotslasher_sri · · Score: 1

      But the sites have to pay akamai to do that. Many of the sites which are slashdotted arent serving their customers. So will they be interested? i guess not. what do others think ? Sri

  44. its called a 401 keg by cyrax777 · · Score: 1

    Its called the 401 keg

  45. Simon and Garfunkel?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    When did Simon & Garfunkel become interesting in distributed computing?

  46. Buy Both, Own the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Akamai and Google covers both ends of the spectrum. If you plan to monopolize internet services, buying both covers would definitely go a long way.

  47. Re:Akamai competitors - AT&T and Speedera. by billstewart · · Score: 2, Informative
    AT&T and Speedera are two of their main competitors. They've all got different tradeoffs for how many servers, how big, and where to put them, and have branched off from the original big-caching models to a variety of other applications like streaming media which scale a bit differently.

    Back during the Internet boom, there were also some companies that did satellite multicast to ~600 servers around North America, which competed with some of the kinds of things Akamai is used for. (But that was the boom, and those guys are gone now.)

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  48. If those numbers are correct.... by stienman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Assuming those numbers are correct, and assuming they use several year old algorithms:

    Google can break an RSA-512 key. 12 times a day.

    It would take them 8 months to break an RSA-1024 key.

    Of course this glosses over some of the technical difficulties (such as memory bandwidth, RAM, etc) but the interesting thing is that if they directed their gaze towards a problem of for even an hour, they could solve some truly monumental problems.

    But, according to Slashdot, Google is good today, not evil, so we can expect them not to use their power for bad.

    -Adam

    1. Re:If those numbers are correct.... by stienman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately my numbers for the 1024 bit key are not correct. It would take them significantly longer than a year to break a 1024 bit key. The 512 key (12 times a day) is still pretty substantial, though - used widely in hardware crypto systems.

      See Bulletin #13 from RSA Labs for a decent machine-cost analysis of breaking larger keys.

      "There, I said it, can you please put the gun away now?" :-)

      -Adam

    2. Re:If those numbers are correct.... by pegr · · Score: 1

      Assuming those numbers are correct, and assuming they use several year old algorithms:

      Google can break an RSA-512 key. 12 times a day.

      It would take them 8 months to break an RSA-1024 key.


      Yeah, if they gave up making money for awhile...

      Wait, isn't a Google principle a former NSA brain? Dude, I take it back, it's starting to make sense to me now! Track us all with a cookie that expires in 2038, learn our IPs, save every search, and break our encryption! Damn, they're good! Too good to be gonvernment, that's for sure!

    3. Re:If those numbers are correct.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Google have 100,000 servers. Now Lets say you can get systems for (US)$200 each, that's $20,000,000 of hardware. Believe me that the NSA don't need Google, that they can spend a puny 20 million on hardware, and that they have the competence to do so as much as Google.

      Google are insignificant.

  49. Use Freecache by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thanks to archive.org, you too can join in on the caching fun! If you want to post a web page's URL to Slashdot without having it, um, Slashdotted, you could use Freecache. If you run a major ISP or university IT department, Freecache could use you.

    1. Re:Use Freecache by Cinquero · · Score: 1

      As far as I have understood FreeCache, the site owner has to modify the links on his page so that requests get redirected to FreeCache servers.

  50. Tragic Irony by Jayfar · · Score: 1

    is that the ensuing waves of traffic to various news sites validated the worth of Danny Lewin's work. Akamaized sites held up pretty well on 9-11. That Akamai clusters served up a record volume of web pages that day was very obvious from where I sat; I saw the mrtg graphs from several clusters at the isp where I work noc (it's also fun to look at the graphs when Steve Jobs streams a Macworld keynote address).

    From what I heard, Akamai gained a number of media customers as a result.

    1. Re:Tragic Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This also meant that Akamai people were too busy making sure their servers were handling all the traffic to have time to absorb and react to the death of Danny. I consider these people among the heroes of the 9/11 tragedy, albeit typically unsung ones.

  51. Don't Trust Technology Review by smiff · · Score: 2, Informative
    As I have demonstrated previously, Technology Review is not to be trusted.

    From the last time I posted:

    I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in what Technology Review has to say. With a quick look at their staff you will see where their priorities lay. They have one fact checker and 26 people involved in marketing and advertising.

    They may have once been a reputable magazine, but since Bruce Journey took over, they are more concerned with selling magazines than quality reporting. Mr. Journey used to work for such rags as Time and TV Sports. When appointing Mr. Journey to lead Technology Review, William Hecht said:

    "Technology Review has long been highly regarded for its editorial excellence," Mr. Hecht said. "It is now time for MIT to invest in its commercial potential. With the appointment of Mr. Journey, we have begun the effort to secure a prominent place for Technology Review in the competitive world of commercial publishing."

    Besides that, Technology Review is twice removed from MIT. They are run by the Association of Alumni and Alumnae of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology which is loosely associated with MIT.

    I would really like to know why Slashdot keeps posting fantastical stories from that ratings-driven rag.

  52. Re:Knopfler's words! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Sounds like you gave allot of
    >money to MS for nothing.

    Like Dire Straits used to sing:
    "MS for nothing and the chicks for free!"

    zeke

  53. where to turn... by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's actually plenty of competitors for Akamai's product -- it's one of the reasons they're having such trouble getting to profitability. It turns out that a static edge caching service is, while tricky, not quite rocket science, and several companies have done it: off the top of my head, Speedera, Globix, and Digital Islands (or whoever owns them now; probably level3).

    --

    News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.

    1. Re:where to turn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      uh.. that would be Cable and Wireless..
      Digital Islands (or whoever owns them now; probably level3).
    2. Re:where to turn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netli also a competitor.

    3. Re:where to turn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Static edge caching" is actually Akamai's oldest technology, things have moved on A LOT since then - for a year or so they've been in the position to push basic processing to the edge, not just caching.

      Part of their problem is everyone thinks they know what Akamai does, yet practically nobody really does...

  54. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

    Optimizing your web hosting to make search more efficient or productive?

    Optimizing your paying clients' web-pages to have automatically higher search priority?

  55. No free offers [Re:Strong Words!] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah sounds $$$ since even all those spam emails only offer free PhDs and MBAs, never MCSEs.

  56. Elgoog doesn't work [Re:Slash] by j.leidner · · Score: 1

    I fed it with the query "dog" and expected to get back all hits for "god", but instead it redirected me to another engine :(

  57. RTFA before you talk by CowBovNeal · · Score: 1

    You didn't read the Logitech case??

    The problem is NOT bandwidth. The problem is having enough servers for a single time offering-a contest. Logitech is probably going to run that contest during christmas time next year. Why should they invest a buttload of money and time in buying servers, configuring them, hiring personnel in maintaining them when they need it ONCE a year? That is gross wastage of money.

    Thats why they hire companies like Akamai.
    Stop talking out of your ass.

    --
    Bush is on fire and its not good for my lungs.
  58. Argh by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 1
    "Parsly, Sayge, Rosemari and Time"

    "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme" FFS. Which are spices used for contraception and abortion.

    1. Re:Argh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, somebody didn't get the joke...

  59. Re:Akamai is still losing money (SAVVIS)?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Savvis ended up buying Digital Island/Cable & Wireless they are easily as good as Akamai.

    See:
    http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040420/205399_1.ht ml

    They also do the DNS for MSFT and software updates

  60. page two of the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use the Googlebar

    Google's main search page has a link that invites you to make Google your home page. If most of your Web voyages start with a Google search, clicking on this link might make a lot of sense for you. But you can do better.

    If you use Internet Explorer on Windows, download the Google Toolbar from toolbar.google.com. The toolbar modifies Internet Explorer to add a Google search field right underneath the address bar. Once installed, you can do a search simply by typing the string into the toolbar.

    The Googlebar also opens up additional Google features. Instead of searching the whole World Wide Web, for instance, you can restrict your search to the site you are currently looking at: just click "Search Site" instead of "Search Web." For example, if you use the Googlebar to search for my name on the technologyreview.com site, you'll get 157 hits, starting with my columns that have been the most widely cited.

    Underneath the Google Toolbar's "Page Info" you can search for "Similar Pages," "Backwards Links," and see cached snapshots of the Web page (in case you think that it may have recently changed). The "Similar Pages" feature is a neat way to meet new friends: A few years ago, I asked for "Similar Pages" to my home page and was directed by Google to humorist Madeleine Kane--a strange choice, on the face of it. But it turns out that Madeleine's politics and mine are incredibly aligned, and I've enjoyed reading her stuff and corresponding with her. Without Google, I doubt I ever would have met her.

    Gaming for Google

    Many people ask me how they can increase their placement on the Google search results. The answer is simple and guaranteed: buy an advertisement.

    Surprisingly, though, most people don't want to spend money to buy an advertisement on Google. I say that this is surprising, because these same people are willing to spend a lot of time and effort in an attempt to game the system. Such approaches are called "spamdexing," a contraction of "spamming the index" that originated back in the days when the AltaVista search engine reigned supreme. Back then, people could improve their position in the search results by including a word multiple times on the same Web page. People who ran pornographic sites put entire dictionaries (with tens of thousands of words!) on their Web pages in an attempt to increase their hits.

    Google's value comes, in part, from its use of algorithms that help defend against spamdexing. If you don't want to buy an advertisement, the easiest way to increase your page rank is to make your Web site as useful as possible. Link to other sites; encourage people to link to yours. But don't link randomly: try to keep things on topic and on-target. Google's algorithms seem to reward good Web citizens. For example, two sites that heavily link to each other--and nowhere else--are ranked low.

    One way to dramatically increase the usefulness of your site is to load it up with a lot of freely available documents. These documents can be HTML files, Microsoft Word files, Excel spreadsheets, or even PowerPoint presentations: the programmers at Google have figured out how to download all of these files, turn them into text, and add the salient information to Google's index.

    What Google generally can't search is images. If you have, say, an old birth certificate that you've scanned and put on your site, you'll need to put a few sentences describing the document on the page where the document's link appears. That's because Google's engine doesn't do OCR--that is, it doesn't use optical character recognition technology to turn images into text.

    The same is true of Google's image search system. Click on the Google "Images" rectangle and type in a search string and you'll find all of the images that are on Web pages that contain your search terms. Google tries to be smart by using various hints that it can find on the Web pages, but it's fundamentally trying to solve an extremely difficult problem. If you want people to be ab

  61. Finally someone gets the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rule 1. Follow the money.

  62. please mark parent -1 off topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I screwed up and posted page 2 of a RELATED article in the same mag.

    So shoot me for trying. It looked right :

    Technology Review: Getting More From Google ... Henry Jenkins @ 4/19/2004 6:08:32 PM. Tomorrow's Technologies Today.... TODAY'S
    TOP STORIES, Google and Akamai: Cult of Secrecy vs. Kingdom of Openness. ...
    www.technologyreview.com/articles/ wo_garfinkel060403.asp?p=2 - 56k - Apr 21, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages
    [ More results from www.technologyreview.com ]

  63. The article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By Simson Garfinkel
    April 21, 2004

    "You should never trust this number," said Martin Farach-Colton, a professor of computer science at Rutgers University, speaking a little more than a year ago. "People make a big deal about it, and it's not true."

    Farach-Colton was giving a public lecture about his two-year sabbatical working at Google. The number that he was disparaging was in the middle of his PowerPoint slide:

    * 150 million queries/day

    The next slide had a few more numbers:

    * 1,000 queries/sec (peak)
    * 10,000+ servers
    * More than 4 tera-ops/sec at daily peak
    * Index: 3 billion Web pages
    * 4 billion total docs
    * 4+ petabytes disk storage

    A few people in the audience started to giggle: the Google figures didn't add up.

    I started running the numbers myself. Let's see: "4 tera-ops/sec" means 4,000 billion operations per second; a top-of-the-line server can do perhaps two billion operations per second, so that translates to perhaps 2,000 servers--not 10,000. Four petabytes is 4x1015 bytes of storage; spread that over 10,000 servers and you'd have 400 gigabytes per server, which again seems wrong, since Farach-Colton had previously said that Google puts two 80-gigabyte hard drives into each server.

    And then there is that issue of 150 million queries per day. If the system is handling a peak load of 1,000 queries per second, that translates to a peak rate of 86.4 million queries per day--or perhaps 40 million queries per day if you assume that the system spends only half its time at peak capacity. No matter how you crank the math, Google's statistics are not self-consistent.

    "These numbers are all crazily low," Farach-Colton continued. "Google always reports much, much lower numbers than are true."

    Whenever somebody from Google puts together a new presentation, he explained, the PR department vets the talk and hacks down the numbers. Originally, he said, the slide with the numbers said that 1,000 queries/sec was the "minimum" rate, not the peak. "We have 10,000-plus servers. That's plus a lot."

    Just as Google's search engine comes back instantly and seemingly effortlessly with a response to any query that you throw it, hiding the true difficulty of the task from users, the company also wants its competitors kept in the dark about the difficulty of the problem. After all, if Google publicized how many pages it has indexed and how many computers it has in its data centers around the world, search competitors like Yahoo!, Teoma, and Mooter would know how much capital they had to raise in order to have a hope of displacing the king at the top of the hill.

    Google has at times had a hard time keeping its story straight. When vice president of engineering Urs Hoelzle gave a talk about Google's Linux clusters at the University of Washington in November of 2002, he repeated that figure of 1,000 queries per second--but he said that the measure was made at 2:00 a.m. on December 25, 2001. His point, obvious to everybody in the room, is that even by November 2002, Google was doing a lot more than 1,000 queries per second--just how many more, though, was anybody's guess.

    The facts may be seeping out. Last Thanksgiving, the New York Times reported that Google had crossed the 100,000-server mark. If true, that means Google is operating perhaps the largest grid of computers on the planet. "The simple fact that they can build and operate data centers of that size is astounding," says Peter Christy, co-founder of the NetsEdge Research Group, a market research and strategy firm in Silicon Valley. Christy, who has worked in the industry for more than 30 years, is astounded by the scale of Google's systems and the company's competence in operating them. "I don't think that there is anyone close."

    It's this ability to build and operate incredibly dense clusters that is as much as anything else the secret of Google's success. And the reason, explains Marissa Mayer, the company's dire

  64. Give that man a cigar by Don+Tworry · · Score: 1

    you could become the next Google, by beating Google at their own game and not have to worry about developing the underlying technology (which Google does).

    That is totally the underlying tone of the article. I don't think this amounts to 'no barrier to entry' but this would remove barrier of proprietary and extremely complex technology our of the way.

    --
    humble and proud of it.
  65. Re:Akamai is still losing money (SAVVIS)?? by pdeyhim · · Score: 3, Funny
    They also do the DNS for MSFT and software updates

    This isn't a great recomendation given the recent news about windows update struggling to remain available.

  66. Re:Akamai competitors - AT&T and Speedera. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Did AT&T ever launch a real product, or just sales brocures.

    Back a few years ago (company was doing about 50Mbps sustained through Akamai) AT&T came and pitched us on how they were just as good as Akamai - except that they didn't actually have a large network of servers yet - just a couple here and a couple oversees - but that don't worry they were well-connected servers and could buy more someday.

    Was quite the surreal experience. I think they really just wanted us to switch phone hosting facilities (were using MCI).

  67. I miss working at Akamai by Seves · · Score: 1

    What a great place to work. It's been 2.5 years since I was laid off and I still miss working there. When Akamai streams video and audio, they actually transmit it 3 times and at the local server of the user, the packets are reassembled on a first come basis and transmitted to the user. Websites requested in local areas get cached locally, no matter where you are in the world. They mostly have linux boxes with a few wintels. Akamai definetly hires top notch people and knows how to take care of them. Morale was always high (until the layoffs haha). If I had the chance to work for them again, I'd sell my house and move to where ever they needed me.

    --
    /. .\
  68. Re:Akamai competitors - AT&T and Speedera. by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Yes, the product's quite real, and has handled a number of large customers. It's been a year or two since I've worked with it, but it works pretty well. The architecture is a smaller number of larger servers, mainly located at the peering points. Sounds like your sales rep really knew much more about phones than content distribution networks...

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks