This is Dumb Geek Outsourcing (DGO). Companies can minimize development cost by developing the idea, framework and setting the project direction. Then, all the company has to do is outsource to the dumb geeks that work for free and the company can make a handsome profit.
I've never seen a dumber bunch of geeks in my life working so hard and not getting paid.
I say, exploit the dumb geek working for free just like IBM, Sun, Redhat and others do. It's much better and cheaper than outsourcing to India.
Developer cost in USA 80k
Developer cost in India 15k
Dumb Geek Developer cost 0k
-Nazz
...that's what I would do. Recruite a talented core team of individuals, form a company, get some cash and start working for yourselves at a more leisurely pace.
No overtime or compensation? Those people are retarded.
-Nazz
Yeah, everytime I'm using a website that's using Java I know immediately because it's slow as fuck.
It scales great, performs on par w/ C++, . My ass.
I'd like to see you use a Java OS and Java Webserver and Java Networking, Java Database and Java Browser, Java Office....hehe.
You'd become the world's most patient person.
-Nazz
The "scientists" can't explain the cyclical nature of ice ages and now all of the sudden they are sure the climate is changing due to CO2 emissions?
Complete bullshit. Sure, the temperature might be rising, ice melting, etc. but to directly relate evidence A to bullshit conclusion B, is nonsense.
These are the same scientist that know squat about the weather in general and have extremely small data regarding global climate data as a whole from the past 4 billion years. They got about 50 years data and some ice core samples...whoopity shit.
You call that science?
American's aren't stupid, but TiVo is plenty stupid.
The advertisers have to go to in-show advertising. Have the actor drink a fuckin' coke or eat some popcorn. Thirty second ads are history....so is TiVo.
I'm cancellin' that shit...fuck DirectTV too.
What about the 4 Al-Quaida related attacks on the US interests during the Clinton 8 year reign?
1. World Trade Center 1st attack
2. Khobar Towers
3. Embassies in Africa
4. USS Cole
The whole Clinton administration should be thrown in jail due to negligence. Eight years in office and we bombed a tent in Afghanistan, got dragged through the streets of Somalia and bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan. Wow.
Bush is kickin' ass and taking names. Leave him alone.
Real's media player is shit. Why anyone uses that crap is beyond me. They can keep their player and the sound and play them on a "Creative" or some other lame ass player.
Nazz
Absolutely. That Microsoft patent ain't gonna fly. They have to stop issuing ridiculous patents like that in the first place. A patent for displaying photos based on time?
That's fuckin' lame.
The only way an ant would get mandibles is not because they need it, but because of a mutation.
Shit, i need some wings, but I don't just grow a pair.
Ants haven't evolved a whole helluva lot and exist in all environments? Why not? Maybe they just don't mutate that much. Who knows.
You built a fuckin' store the size of Texas and have an inventory of goods bigger than some 3rd world countries. Yet, you only have 2 cash registers of your 30, actually open at any one time because you want to save money.
Here's an idea, open all of your cash registers every operating hour of the day and advertize..."No lines in our store, ever" The sales from that will more than pay for the shitty wages that you think you're saving.
I don't know how many times I've dropped my items and walked out of Best Buy/Home Depot/etc. because those idiots had 2 registers open with a huge line.
Absolutely. If you only have a grand in the bank and I have 2 million, I better damn well get better service than you.
I better get a rep when I call, I better be moved to the head of the line when I walk in. People better kiss my ass in that bank.
Some customers are way better than others. You want to keep the best customers and get rid of the rest. Let them go screw up the competition.
..and quite frankly, don't see why people bitch about that.
Apps with the metallic look much better than the other apps. Apple is about design, looks and usability. Metal looks good. Just like the G5.
You want irritating? Try those fuckin' pop up windows like in Photoshop. That's irratating.
That's why people with PhD's are stupid, they work for 150k while developing technology that makes corporations millions.
150k for a person w/ a PhD is dirt cheap, but they haven't learned any better so they usually take a lot less than than.
-Nazz
Well, you chould be charging licensing fees as well as $120/hr to implement and support it. So, you're giving away more than half your potential revenues. That's not too bright if you ask me.
It's like a restaurant giving away free meals so they can make money off of deserts and drinks. Sure, they'll make some money, but it's a dumb ass business model that's missing out on half their revenues. Sounds like the internet days of 1998.
When someone else makes the same product as yours only much better and gives it away for free, you'll be toast, like Netscape.
Free software, like Linux, is putting a dent into MS as well as other companies profit. Throw in a kick ass free database and Oracle is toast, BEA and IBM should be losing money because of JBoss, etc. When those guys get hit hard, people get fired like about 3,000 from Sun, who in their own stupidity is comodotizing their own hardware business.
Once I write some kick ass open source and free as in beer system management system, company's won't need people like you.
People that work for free are idiots. Hey, lets all work for free, then give away our software too we should be able to pay the mortgage and car loan from our monthly paycheck of $0.
Count how may people who worked for free on something has ended up paying their bills by doing so? There's not 1,000,000 people working for free and making a living doing so.
Anyone who would work on software for free and give it away is either 1) a student or 2) a complete idiot.
I wish I had 20 people willing to work for free everyday. Hell, I'll start a cool bar or restaurant and make a ton of money.
Companies are making money on open source software, but those companies were VC funded for one and two they pay their employees.
I just don't understand why anyone would work for free.
He talks about education and competing. Companies are NOT moving jobs overseas because people there are more educated or do a better job. They move overseas because they can pay them 5k per year.
There is no way to compete with that. There is no education that can substitue for that. This is what the politicians and idiots like Grove don't understand.
I've tried Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile, they all suck. Calls drop left and right. It's reallying annoying. Cell phones are barely usable these days and it seems to be getting worse.
..company. I'm sure there are qualified Indians who
could be CEOs, CTOs, CFOs, so why keep anything in
the USA? It doesn't make any financial sense at all.
You can get a CEO in India that will surely work for $500k
per year.
If Microsoft were smart, the would just make a MicrosoftLinux and bundle everything they can with it.
If LinuxDistros can bundle all their apps, then Microsoft could make their own distro and avoid these lawsuits and squash the competition.
It would only be morally wrong when a government outsources work to other countries. Why? Because taking my tax money and using that to fuck me out of a job is immoral.
This is not the case here though. It's perfectly fine to see cheaper ways to develop software.
But, really, if they were that good in India, I just don't see it.
Of course they have some brilliant people, but as a whole, where's the software?
Where is IndiaOS? Where is a good indian database? If they are so good at producing quality software cheaply, BestBuy and CompUSA should just be flooded with software strictly from Indian companies, but they're not.
Oh, they don't compete in the consumer vertical you say? Fine.
Then they should not need to take some crappy outsourcing work from companies like Microsoft or Oracle, they should be writing their own software to crush them if they we're that good.
But they are not.
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1. Mars MAY have had water at some point in the past.
2. There COULD have been life.
3. We got some cool photos!
Wow. This is absolutely amazing science. I could have told you that for $400 million and saved you $460 million in cash. We went to Mars, and all I got was this photo.
And scientists and the/. community are amazed by this?
We're talking about the same idiots at NASA who didn't even send an astronaut outside the shuttle for a spacewalk to take a look at the wing damage.
Stop wasting my tax money on this crap. If you want to explore space, every last penny should be dedicated to building a decent space ship. I'm not talking some pile of shit strapped to a rocket either. Or some pile of shit that splashes down in the ocean for christ's sake.
Build a real spaceship and stop fucking around taking pictures of Mars and ooohing and aaahing over the fact that another planet actually had water. And? Of course there's water on other planets, life too. You happy now? Can we get on with building a decent spaceship?
Nazz
Well, I use DB2 on a P690 and let me tell you, if I were running the business there's no way in hell I would even use DB2, even if it were free. It's bloated, cumbersome, buggy and just bad. Oracle is way better. We have to use DB2 because we partnered w/ IBM.
In my experience with IBM, I haven't seen a decent piece of software from them yet. Their hardware kicks ass though.:-)
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This is Dumb Geek Outsourcing (DGO). Companies can minimize development cost by developing the idea, framework and setting the project direction. Then, all the company has to do is outsource to the dumb geeks that work for free and the company can make a handsome profit. I've never seen a dumber bunch of geeks in my life working so hard and not getting paid. I say, exploit the dumb geek working for free just like IBM, Sun, Redhat and others do. It's much better and cheaper than outsourcing to India. Developer cost in USA 80k Developer cost in India 15k Dumb Geek Developer cost 0k -Nazz
Yeah, everytime I'm using a website that's using Java I know immediately because it's slow as fuck. It scales great, performs on par w/ C++, . My ass. I'd like to see you use a Java OS and Java Webserver and Java Networking, Java Database and Java Browser, Java Office....hehe. You'd become the world's most patient person. -Nazz
The "scientists" can't explain the cyclical nature of ice ages and now all of the sudden they are sure the climate is changing due to CO2 emissions? Complete bullshit. Sure, the temperature might be rising, ice melting, etc. but to directly relate evidence A to bullshit conclusion B, is nonsense. These are the same scientist that know squat about the weather in general and have extremely small data regarding global climate data as a whole from the past 4 billion years. They got about 50 years data and some ice core samples...whoopity shit. You call that science?
It's called evolution. If you can't develop new lungs or some new capability, then you die. Evolution at work. Adapt or die, bitch.
American's aren't stupid, but TiVo is plenty stupid. The advertisers have to go to in-show advertising. Have the actor drink a fuckin' coke or eat some popcorn. Thirty second ads are history....so is TiVo. I'm cancellin' that shit...fuck DirectTV too.
What about the 4 Al-Quaida related attacks on the US interests during the Clinton 8 year reign? 1. World Trade Center 1st attack 2. Khobar Towers 3. Embassies in Africa 4. USS Cole The whole Clinton administration should be thrown in jail due to negligence. Eight years in office and we bombed a tent in Afghanistan, got dragged through the streets of Somalia and bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan. Wow. Bush is kickin' ass and taking names. Leave him alone.
Real's media player is shit. Why anyone uses that crap is beyond me. They can keep their player and the sound and play them on a "Creative" or some other lame ass player. Nazz
Absolutely. That Microsoft patent ain't gonna fly. They have to stop issuing ridiculous patents like that in the first place. A patent for displaying photos based on time? That's fuckin' lame.
The only way an ant would get mandibles is not because they need it, but because of a mutation. Shit, i need some wings, but I don't just grow a pair. Ants haven't evolved a whole helluva lot and exist in all environments? Why not? Maybe they just don't mutate that much. Who knows.
Java is an abomination. "Write once, run slow and flaky on any platform" No, thanks.
You built a fuckin' store the size of Texas and have an inventory of goods bigger than some 3rd world countries. Yet, you only have 2 cash registers of your 30, actually open at any one time because you want to save money. Here's an idea, open all of your cash registers every operating hour of the day and advertize..."No lines in our store, ever" The sales from that will more than pay for the shitty wages that you think you're saving. I don't know how many times I've dropped my items and walked out of Best Buy/Home Depot/etc. because those idiots had 2 registers open with a huge line.
Absolutely. If you only have a grand in the bank and I have 2 million, I better damn well get better service than you. I better get a rep when I call, I better be moved to the head of the line when I walk in. People better kiss my ass in that bank. Some customers are way better than others. You want to keep the best customers and get rid of the rest. Let them go screw up the competition.
That's why people with PhD's are stupid, they work for 150k while developing technology that makes corporations millions. 150k for a person w/ a PhD is dirt cheap, but they haven't learned any better so they usually take a lot less than than. -Nazz
Well, you chould be charging licensing fees as well as $120/hr to implement and support it. So, you're giving away more than half your potential revenues. That's not too bright if you ask me. It's like a restaurant giving away free meals so they can make money off of deserts and drinks. Sure, they'll make some money, but it's a dumb ass business model that's missing out on half their revenues. Sounds like the internet days of 1998. When someone else makes the same product as yours only much better and gives it away for free, you'll be toast, like Netscape.
Free software, like Linux, is putting a dent into MS as well as other companies profit. Throw in a kick ass free database and Oracle is toast, BEA and IBM should be losing money because of JBoss, etc. When those guys get hit hard, people get fired like about 3,000 from Sun, who in their own stupidity is comodotizing their own hardware business. Once I write some kick ass open source and free as in beer system management system, company's won't need people like you.
People that work for free are idiots. Hey, lets all work for free, then give away our software too we should be able to pay the mortgage and car loan from our monthly paycheck of $0. Count how may people who worked for free on something has ended up paying their bills by doing so? There's not 1,000,000 people working for free and making a living doing so. Anyone who would work on software for free and give it away is either 1) a student or 2) a complete idiot. I wish I had 20 people willing to work for free everyday. Hell, I'll start a cool bar or restaurant and make a ton of money. Companies are making money on open source software, but those companies were VC funded for one and two they pay their employees. I just don't understand why anyone would work for free.
He talks about education and competing. Companies are NOT moving jobs overseas because people there are more educated or do a better job. They move overseas because they can pay them 5k per year. There is no way to compete with that. There is no education that can substitue for that. This is what the politicians and idiots like Grove don't understand.
I've tried Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile, they all suck.
Calls drop left and right. It's reallying annoying. Cell phones are barely usable these days and it seems to be getting worse.
Nazz
If Microsoft were smart, the would just make a MicrosoftLinux and bundle everything they can with it. If LinuxDistros can bundle all their apps, then Microsoft could make their own distro and avoid these lawsuits and squash the competition.
It would only be morally wrong when a government outsources work to other countries. Why? Because taking my tax money and using that to fuck me out of a job is immoral. This is not the case here though. It's perfectly fine to see cheaper ways to develop software. But, really, if they were that good in India, I just don't see it. Of course they have some brilliant people, but as a whole, where's the software? Where is IndiaOS? Where is a good indian database? If they are so good at producing quality software cheaply, BestBuy and CompUSA should just be flooded with software strictly from Indian companies, but they're not. Oh, they don't compete in the consumer vertical you say? Fine. Then they should not need to take some crappy outsourcing work from companies like Microsoft or Oracle, they should be writing their own software to crush them if they we're that good. But they are not.
1. Mars MAY have had water at some point in the past. 2. There COULD have been life. 3. We got some cool photos! Wow. This is absolutely amazing science. I could have told you that for $400 million and saved you $460 million in cash. We went to Mars, and all I got was this photo. And scientists and the /. community are amazed by this?
We're talking about the same idiots at NASA who didn't even send an astronaut outside the shuttle for a spacewalk to take a look at the wing damage.
Stop wasting my tax money on this crap. If you want to explore space, every last penny should be dedicated to building a decent space ship. I'm not talking some pile of shit strapped to a rocket either. Or some pile of shit that splashes down in the ocean for christ's sake.
Build a real spaceship and stop fucking around taking pictures of Mars and ooohing and aaahing over the fact that another planet actually had water. And? Of course there's water on other planets, life too. You happy now? Can we get on with building a decent spaceship?
Nazz
Well, I use DB2 on a P690 and let me tell you, if I were running the business there's no way in hell I would even use DB2, even if it were free. It's bloated, cumbersome, buggy and just bad. Oracle is way better. We have to use DB2 because we partnered w/ IBM. In my experience with IBM, I haven't seen a decent piece of software from them yet. Their hardware kicks ass though. :-)