Re:Phil Agre on "Imagining the Next War"
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A New Kind of War
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Here is my thinking on the subject.
Generation Memory.
WWI, WWII, Vietnam. All these actions left entire generations w/the memory of the destruction that war creates. Desert Storm did not leave this thought w/us due to the little impact it left on our country. It was short, little loss of life, etc. This war is going to be quite different. It will NOT be fought only in Asia (as we have already had the first strike here in the US). There is a GREAT potential for more strikes to occur if we do end up creating a situation over there.
Personally I do NOT feel that this war is a necessity and I do NOT back the government's descision to do this. Bush is spreading pro-war propaganda and it is doing nothing for me but annoying me furthur.
I agree that something needs to be done but sending 1000s of men over there to fight a country b/c they are harboring a single man and his "troops"? How about the fact that we were harboring a good many of those assholes ourselves? We let these people into our country, let them train here, and let them attack here. Why are we not at fault as well?
I am very afraid of the consequences of this war. We are going to be forever impacted by this just as those that lived through WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were.
I say fuck the war, find some other reasonable means to retaliate but killing more people than already died and creating a generation of seriously affected people is not the answer.
My girlfriend's grandmother randomly said once, "War is a horrific event." and said nothing more. I already know this as does everyone else but do you want to read/hear about it 50 years after it happened or do you want to live it?
umm, when isn't propaganda an important part of war strategy? Any war throughout history has been plagued by leaders handing out pro-whatever information.
Other "police actions" that we have taken part in were less than popular b/c of the fact that the propaganda was ineffective. Honestly there was little worry by most of the American public that communism would spread to the US or large European states (yes the domino effect -- no it never really truly happened -- yes this is IMHO)
This "police action" already has very little need for propaganda due to the graphic impression it left on the public.
I myself am already quite annoyed w/Bush's statements and his bullshit (yes I voted for Bush and I am a republican) but I find his "wanted dead or alive", "new war", etc to all be over-stated and obvious propaganda.
We are going to start a serious war that IMHO will have very little effect on stopping future terrorism from happening again on American soil. Take out Bin Laden and who is left? Tons more...
it originally started in just the 63.174 for me. Now it is hitting me from all over the place. It is really nasty b/c of the number of requests that each machine sends out.
I was surfing some porn sites this morning and they seemed horribly affected (none of the images would load and they were slow as hell).
ugh. Just when you thought it was safe to disable "assholes_log".
even the article mentions that one of the main reasons that VRML is not in wide use is b/c of the "getting lost" factor. People just aren't accustomed to the way that VRML represents the page. It was also noted in the page that text and VRML don't mix well together.
Apparently that's why this new fangled browser is better for 3D viewing.
I myself am quite happy w/the current status of the web but who knows what joy this could bring to seat selections for concert venues, etc;)
sorry but in no way, shape, or form do I agree that we need to goto war to eliminate this problem, nor do I feel that I should have to give up my privacy in communication when I did nothing wrong.
I want to see heavy sanctions placed on Afghanistan for their lack of serious cooperation but I do NOT feel that endangering the lives of many military personell is in any way better than what these assholes did to our civilians...
I am most certainly willing to give up short line waits, cheap airfare, etc but my privacy? NO WAY.
Q3s lag feels like shit. In fact you cannot "feel" the lag. I much prefered Q1s lag feel. Is it something like that? At least then you can adjust to the delay. In Q3 since you can't "feel" it you can never adjust.
It is not common for people to recieve thanks for the great service that they do for a community but I am going to go ahead and give you thanks for feeding us the information that I was not able to get through TV and the basically non-exitant other news-sites.
I am normally a critic of/. and the editors but this entire week I felt that they did an extraordinary job of keeping us informed. For once I am going to applaud you.
I got links to personal experiences on the tragedies, movies, images not seen on TV, and personal reflection on the entire ordeal by people that seem to have valid ideas (not the crap that you hear from most people about the attacks)
Thank you again/. for making sure we got the news we needed.
unfortunatly you have tons of people in the office that are making just as much noise as the fridge/turbines. And the problem w/them is that you can't solve it w/a swift kick;-)
"yooooou have my stapler...":)
Press conference -- no one arrested in conjunction
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More On Tragedy
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According to a press conference on CNN (dont remember which one) no one has been *arrested* yet in conjunction w/the attacks.
Yes we all know that they took into custody some people that they believe are linked to Ladin and may have had something to do w/the attacks but they know apparently little at this point.
I heard rumors that they are checking into an e-mail account that was apparently used to communicate the messages about the attack.
On a side note -- I live in an apartment complex of several buildings. My building and the one closest to me have many flags hanging from the balconies. I urge everyone to not only donate their blood (there was a 2.5 hour wait this morning in Toledo, OH) but to display an American flag for the lives lost in this tragic event.
KISS doesn't cross their mind b/c it isn't something that they care to know about or understand.
"think like a computer". No. People think like people. That's why they do what they do...
My mother used to use Lotus123 + WYSIWYG extensions to type documents b/c that's what she was accustomed to.
I am glad that I use gAIM for my IMing b/c I can at least disable incoming colors from idiots that seem to think that red letters on a blue background are "cool".
The entire article really has no bearing on today's computer users. People are NOT interested in simplicity. Do people buy cars that just have the bare esentials? NO! They *need* a/c, CD players, power windows, etc. They feel that they need all this fancy shit as well.
I have always used eye-easy color-schemes and organized desktops (no fucking icons all over the place) but then again I am a computer-dork.
It is only going to get worse b/c people aren't interested in KISS.
The reports say that they *believe* the hijackers to have used knives (until the black boxes are found -- if -- we won't know for sure).
What I am confused about is why this happened in the first place. The plane that went down in PA was taken care of correctly. Why did the pilots NOT send the planes into the water before hitting the towers unless they were dead or seriously injured?
I know that no American would allow such a tragedy. I pray for those lives that were lost and I pray for a quick and acceptable resolve to the events that happened.
EVERY single time gaming on Linux comes up we have everyone post about how easy it is to program for Windows and how much more difficult it is to program for Linux.
Until there is some sort of Linux-DX package I really don't see gamers/coders switching over to Linux. Q3 failed pretty bad (mostly due to Linux gamers grabbing the Windows version AFAIK), Loki is going under (Warez, non-interest, etc), and the fact that 3D is a pain in the ass plus all the other problems.
I am glad that someone spent the time to try and teach others but I doubt that there is a large group seriously interested in it.
The skyline in May when I brought my gf to see Ellis Island. This is a sad sad day. To think that our children will not see the skyline as we once did:(
I am not a believer in war and I am not a believer in the loss of lives at any cost. I am trying to understand the necessity of this but I can't.
I agree that chess is a fine educational game but remember that their literacy rates are probably low and learning time would be long and frustrating at times.
I know when my father taught me to play at the age of 6 or 7 that I would become quite frustrated at the fact that I could not remember all the moves of all the pieces (I was not playing constantly).
Quick learning of PC games is far easier and less frustrating than learning chess.
Knocking over the board might become a common problem.
I wonder if The Sims would have a good or bad impact on them. Would they want to have the families fail and fight or would they learn from the positive growth of the people within the game?
It would be interesting to see how each child would react.
many people are desperate for jobs and these companies were promising great salaries, nice relocation spots to live, and promising growth. As a student about to graduate I have been searching endlessly for a decent job to pay my way through life after I am finished. Remember that these people were doing the same exact thing. It is not their fault that they were caught up in the job-boom. Please do not take it out on them, they were/are just as desperate as the rest of us...
most of the people were caught up in a seemingly endless supply of capital.. There was so much out there and it just seemed like there were too few people to fill all the spots.
It was almost as if people found the pot of gold a the end of the rainbow.. Problem was that the sun disappeared behind the clouds and only the miserable rain was left.:(
I do feel bad for those that were employed. Just b/c they didn't have the skills necessary does NOT mean that they were the ones at fault. It was those that were sinking in millions to get a company off the ground knowing that it was near worthless.
just b/c you lost your job does not mean that you are quite ready to pick up and leave immediately. Most people are going to try and find a job in the general vicinity *first*, then if they cannot find anything a relocation would be necessary. I would assume that is why there is little change in that department.
I am beginning to wonder about the role that the NSA is playing. If they are becoming so open, allowing cameras in, openly admitting to being subjected to serious y2k downtime? Telling their families/neighbors they are part of the organization?
Perhaps this is a diversion from a newer, better agency working behind closed doors. Please let me hope so. If the NSA really had the problems they said I am quite afraid of the problems we may encounter w/China and International terrorists (especially now that we are thinking of arming Taiwan w/missles)
as I have said before... It is wonderful that it saves all this power as compared to the usual laptops but it is slower, more expensive, and less attractive to those people looking for clock (who doesn't?)
I guess there is a need for less power consumption but w/15" screens, DVDs playing away on long flights, and god knows what else, is it really neceesary?
I am going to guess that people aren't going to be as receptive to this as maybe they thought.
The only thing that counts is the size of your clock.;)
We need to start fighting for our rights again. I really believe that people don't have any drive to be free anymore. The number of protests have dwindled and most people find them to be an annoyance.
I am quite afraid of who is watching. I don't like to give out my name to Radio Shack, but the god damn government already has it. It's not Radio Shack I need to be worried about!
Yeah, in PA they have "This is a future VMS site" and what they are going to do is track traffic patterns, right. "We will not track speeders, or other traffic violators". Yeah, sure, not now, you just want us to get used to the fact that they are there. It takes several years to plan, build, clean up from major highway construction, and by that time it is already more congested than the new highway can handle. So what's the point?
Why aren't more people out there voicing their opinion? I am quite vocal about these practices and I will continue to be. If I had the finances I would be driving all over the fucking country to get my face out and show them that I am against this sort of shit (they probably already know).
This country was built on the idea that centralized control was not desired. Now they want to do just that.
FUCK THEM. I am "Free American" not a prisoner in my own country. If you really think that all this is ok, fine, but I don't.
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Here is my thinking on the subject.
Generation Memory.
WWI, WWII, Vietnam. All these actions left entire generations w/the memory of the destruction that war creates. Desert Storm did not leave this thought w/us due to the little impact it left on our country. It was short, little loss of life, etc. This war is going to be quite different. It will NOT be fought only in Asia (as we have already had the first strike here in the US). There is a GREAT potential for more strikes to occur if we do end up creating a situation over there.
Personally I do NOT feel that this war is a necessity and I do NOT back the government's descision to do this. Bush is spreading pro-war propaganda and it is doing nothing for me but annoying me furthur.
I agree that something needs to be done but sending 1000s of men over there to fight a country b/c they are harboring a single man and his "troops"? How about the fact that we were harboring a good many of those assholes ourselves? We let these people into our country, let them train here, and let them attack here. Why are we not at fault as well?
I am very afraid of the consequences of this war. We are going to be forever impacted by this just as those that lived through WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were.
I say fuck the war, find some other reasonable means to retaliate but killing more people than already died and creating a generation of seriously affected people is not the answer.
My girlfriend's grandmother randomly said once, "War is a horrific event." and said nothing more. I already know this as does everyone else but do you want to read/hear about it 50 years after it happened or do you want to live it?
I don't.
umm, when isn't propaganda an important part of war strategy? Any war throughout history has been plagued by leaders handing out pro-whatever information.
Other "police actions" that we have taken part in were less than popular b/c of the fact that the propaganda was ineffective. Honestly there was little worry by most of the American public that communism would spread to the US or large European states (yes the domino effect -- no it never really truly happened -- yes this is IMHO)
This "police action" already has very little need for propaganda due to the graphic impression it left on the public.
I myself am already quite annoyed w/Bush's statements and his bullshit (yes I voted for Bush and I am a republican) but I find his "wanted dead or alive", "new war", etc to all be over-stated and obvious propaganda.
We are going to start a serious war that IMHO will have very little effect on stopping future terrorism from happening again on American soil. Take out Bin Laden and who is left? Tons more...
That's just my worthless rambling.
it originally started in just the 63.174 for me. Now it is hitting me from all over the place. It is really nasty b/c of the number of requests that each machine sends out.
I was surfing some porn sites this morning and they seemed horribly affected (none of the images would load and they were slow as hell).
ugh. Just when you thought it was safe to disable "assholes_log".
even the article mentions that one of the main reasons that VRML is not in wide use is b/c of the "getting lost" factor. People just aren't accustomed to the way that VRML represents the page. It was also noted in the page that text and VRML don't mix well together.
;)
Apparently that's why this new fangled browser is better for 3D viewing.
I myself am quite happy w/the current status of the web but who knows what joy this could bring to seat selections for concert venues, etc
opinions are like assholes.
sorry but in no way, shape, or form do I agree that we need to goto war to eliminate this problem, nor do I feel that I should have to give up my privacy in communication when I did nothing wrong.
I want to see heavy sanctions placed on Afghanistan for their lack of serious cooperation but I do NOT feel that endangering the lives of many military personell is in any way better than what these assholes did to our civilians...
I am most certainly willing to give up short line waits, cheap airfare, etc but my privacy? NO WAY.
Q3s lag feels like shit. In fact you cannot "feel" the lag. I much prefered Q1s lag feel. Is it something like that? At least then you can adjust to the delay. In Q3 since you can't "feel" it you can never adjust.
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Excellent...
Exactly...
DOH!
It is not common for people to recieve thanks for the great service that they do for a community but I am going to go ahead and give you thanks for feeding us the information that I was not able to get through TV and the basically non-exitant other news-sites.
/. and the editors but this entire week I felt that they did an extraordinary job of keeping us informed. For once I am going to applaud you.
/. for making sure we got the news we needed.
I am normally a critic of
I got links to personal experiences on the tragedies, movies, images not seen on TV, and personal reflection on the entire ordeal by people that seem to have valid ideas (not the crap that you hear from most people about the attacks)
Thank you again
unfortunatly you have tons of people in the office that are making just as much noise as the fridge/turbines. And the problem w/them is that you can't solve it w/a swift kick ;-)
:)
"yooooou have my stapler..."
According to a press conference on CNN (dont remember which one) no one has been *arrested* yet in conjunction w/the attacks.
Yes we all know that they took into custody some people that they believe are linked to Ladin and may have had something to do w/the attacks but they know apparently little at this point.
I heard rumors that they are checking into an e-mail account that was apparently used to communicate the messages about the attack.
On a side note -- I live in an apartment complex of several buildings. My building and the one closest to me have many flags hanging from the balconies. I urge everyone to not only donate their blood (there was a 2.5 hour wait this morning in Toledo, OH) but to display an American flag for the lives lost in this tragic event.
God Bless America.
KISS doesn't cross their mind b/c it isn't something that they care to know about or understand.
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"think like a computer". No. People think like people. That's why they do what they do...
My mother used to use Lotus123 + WYSIWYG extensions to type documents b/c that's what she was accustomed to.
I am glad that I use gAIM for my IMing b/c I can at least disable incoming colors from idiots that seem to think that red letters on a blue background are "cool".
The entire article really has no bearing on today's computer users. People are NOT interested in simplicity. Do people buy cars that just have the bare esentials? NO! They *need* a/c, CD players, power windows, etc. They feel that they need all this fancy shit as well.
I have always used eye-easy color-schemes and organized desktops (no fucking icons all over the place) but then again I am a computer-dork.
It is only going to get worse b/c people aren't interested in KISS.
Just my worthless
as far as the planes go...
The reports say that they *believe* the hijackers to have used knives (until the black boxes are found -- if -- we won't know for sure).
What I am confused about is why this happened in the first place. The plane that went down in PA was taken care of correctly. Why did the pilots NOT send the planes into the water before hitting the towers unless they were dead or seriously injured?
I know that no American would allow such a tragedy. I pray for those lives that were lost and I pray for a quick and acceptable resolve to the events that happened.
God bless America.
EVERY single time gaming on Linux comes up we have everyone post about how easy it is to program for Windows and how much more difficult it is to program for Linux.
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Until there is some sort of Linux-DX package I really don't see gamers/coders switching over to Linux. Q3 failed pretty bad (mostly due to Linux gamers grabbing the Windows version AFAIK), Loki is going under (Warez, non-interest, etc), and the fact that 3D is a pain in the ass plus all the other problems.
I am glad that someone spent the time to try and teach others but I doubt that there is a large group seriously interested in it.
Just my worthless
that obviously was not my point but apparently you people are too confused to see this.
the point was that w/o these buildings we will have a constant reminder of the pain, suffering, and bullshit that happened today.
Give me a break.
The skyline in May when I brought my gf to see Ellis Island. This is a sad sad day. To think that our children will not see the skyline as we once did :(
I am not a believer in war and I am not a believer in the loss of lives at any cost. I am trying to understand the necessity of this but I can't.
:(
I agree that chess is a fine educational game but remember that their literacy rates are probably low and learning time would be long and frustrating at times.
I know when my father taught me to play at the age of 6 or 7 that I would become quite frustrated at the fact that I could not remember all the moves of all the pieces (I was not playing constantly).
Quick learning of PC games is far easier and less frustrating than learning chess.
Knocking over the board might become a common problem.
I wonder if The Sims would have a good or bad impact on them. Would they want to have the families fail and fight or would they learn from the positive growth of the people within the game?
It would be interesting to see how each child would react.
many people are desperate for jobs and these companies were promising great salaries, nice relocation spots to live, and promising growth. As a student about to graduate I have been searching endlessly for a decent job to pay my way through life after I am finished. Remember that these people were doing the same exact thing. It is not their fault that they were caught up in the job-boom. Please do not take it out on them, they were/are just as desperate as the rest of us...
Thank your lucky stars!
most of the people were caught up in a seemingly endless supply of capital.. There was so much out there and it just seemed like there were too few people to fill all the spots.
:(
It was almost as if people found the pot of gold a the end of the rainbow.. Problem was that the sun disappeared behind the clouds and only the miserable rain was left.
I do feel bad for those that were employed. Just b/c they didn't have the skills necessary does NOT mean that they were the ones at fault. It was those that were sinking in millions to get a company off the ground knowing that it was near worthless.
just b/c you lost your job does not mean that you are quite ready to pick up and leave immediately. Most people are going to try and find a job in the general vicinity *first*, then if they cannot find anything a relocation would be necessary. I would assume that is why there is little change in that department.
I am beginning to wonder about the role that the NSA is playing. If they are becoming so open, allowing cameras in, openly admitting to being subjected to serious y2k downtime? Telling their families/neighbors they are part of the organization?
Perhaps this is a diversion from a newer, better agency working behind closed doors. Please let me hope so. If the NSA really had the problems they said I am quite afraid of the problems we may encounter w/China and International terrorists (especially now that we are thinking of arming Taiwan w/missles)
more than a year later? You should have never heard about it b/c it should never have happened..
as I have said before... It is wonderful that it saves all this power as compared to the usual laptops but it is slower, more expensive, and less attractive to those people looking for clock (who doesn't?)
;)
I guess there is a need for less power consumption but w/15" screens, DVDs playing away on long flights, and god knows what else, is it really neceesary?
I am going to guess that people aren't going to be as receptive to this as maybe they thought.
The only thing that counts is the size of your clock.
I agree completely.
We need to start fighting for our rights again. I really believe that people don't have any drive to be free anymore. The number of protests have dwindled and most people find them to be an annoyance.
I am quite afraid of who is watching. I don't like to give out my name to Radio Shack, but the god damn government already has it. It's not Radio Shack I need to be worried about!
Yeah, in PA they have "This is a future VMS site" and what they are going to do is track traffic patterns, right. "We will not track speeders, or other traffic violators". Yeah, sure, not now, you just want us to get used to the fact that they are there. It takes several years to plan, build, clean up from major highway construction, and by that time it is already more congested than the new highway can handle. So what's the point?
Why aren't more people out there voicing their opinion? I am quite vocal about these practices and I will continue to be. If I had the finances I would be driving all over the fucking country to get my face out and show them that I am against this sort of shit (they probably already know).
This country was built on the idea that centralized control was not desired. Now they want to do just that.
FUCK THEM. I am "Free American" not a prisoner in my own country. If you really think that all this is ok, fine, but I don't.
Please help to do something about it.