The farthest I'd go in the Web interface is use Flash (and only optional) to ease the pageflow pain. And I'd only do that because I've built ERP Apps before using flash and - believe it or not - they work pretty well on Linux, OS X and Windows. If you know what your doing. Which, sadly enough, only very few Flash devs actually do.
Just curious, What type of functionality do you get using flash that couldn't be handled using AJAX?
I just wish they would truly support a Linux client for their business apps.
A good part of the front end is in HTML, but the other parts are written in Java and launching the apps tries to launch their own godawful JVM called Jinitiator which doesn't have a Linux version.
There is an unsupported workaround for Linux: Spoof your browser USER-AGENT to OSX safari, and the apps will just use a Sun JVM.
The last linux release from cisco's site is a year old and the kernel module doesn't compile against the 2.6.19 kernel. Just to get it to compile against 2.6.18 you had to fake a config.h in your kernel source include folder.
So you're telling me the Unreal 3 engine is purely eye candy upgrades?
When Epic went from Unreal 1 to Unreal 2 they introduced things like ragdoll physics, scripting enhancements, and vehicles, none of which were dependant on raw GPU performance.
I can't imagine Epic would be happy with a whole new game engine to simply put out better graphics.
>>All they would know is "Unreal sucks" if they saw it on the Wii.
How so? They would be comparing Unreal to other games on the Wii, not Unreal on the Wii compared to a different game on another console.
Unreal Tournament & Unreal Tournament 2004 were excellent FPS games. You can take the original on an old PC, turn the graphic settings down, and guess what? It's still loads of fun. (Facing Worlds + Low Grav, FTW!)
Personally, as much as I love Epic, this smells a bit of a copout. They could take their latest and greatest Unreal Engine3, lower the textures and poly count, and I bet it would run fine on the Wii. The problem is that you can't just port it to the Wii without putting a bunch of work into making control with the Wiimote more than just a novelty.
It could be that easy if the mythtv package that the yum repo is calling had a post install script to do those setups. Or the package included an interactive configuration script or GUI that you can run post install. Not sure that it doesn't already, but I'll know as soon as I get my tv tuner card.
Creating a seperate distro seems like overkill when it could just as easily be a well maintained repository for a popular distribution like fedora or ubuntu.
The catch with the open source solution is: you have to know that mysqlcc, mysql-administrator, mysql-query-browser, and phpMyAdmin exist,
How is that different than oracle? Oracle provides several different front ends that you don't seem to know about.
That said, I love mysql. I just wish that the developers would add sequences. Sequences are not a very complex construct, but they are extremely useful. Oracle and postgres have them (I can't speak for sql server as I have no interest in ever running windows servers)
Mod parent way up. Couldn't agree more. The game is 25 years old, but it's the first game that came to mind after reading the topic. Me and my buddies spent hours on this game.
The graphics were definetly 80's, and gameply was so incredibly simple, but it was perfect.
Anyone know of a tcp/ip multiplayer updated version?
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I followed that soap opera on the redhat dev list. I won't name names, but the FC5 graphics were referred to as "teletubbie vomit". There was also a long drawn out discussion about the inclusion of things like proprietary audio and video codecs. I'm not sure if the ability to download from repos like livna from the installer now are a result of those discussions.
And from what I've seen on here and digg, the main instigator is interested in Linspire now. A shame, because his complaining, as untactful as it may have been, may have actually helped the situation.
After using both it seems kinda 6 of one, half a dozen of the other to me. Yum does an update before upgrading packages, while apt needs to have update called first. Some times I prefer the former behaviour(make sure I'm getting the latest), sometimes the latter(just give me the package that I've already got meta-data on).
The differences though seem to be small enough these days that it doesn't really matter as long as you have good repositories to get packages from.
Oracle still doesn't support linux on the client side worth a shit. As of the 11.5.10 ERP applications, Linux as client still isn't supported. It works for the most part if you spoof your USER-AGENT as OSX safari and use the Sun JVM for applet plugin support.
The death of jinitiator on the client is waaaay overdue. Their isn't anything that the apps are doing that necessitates a custom JVM. Heck, most of what the apps do can be handled with AJAX.
Probably true, not to mention the characters that are need to be in the Hobbit are really old even in Hobbit anyways. Still I was upset PJ even spent time on king kong. If MGM & New Line did indeed get the green light to make The Hobbit, then it should be top priority.
this 800x600 stuff is really making my eyes hurt with all the new fancy graphics in other games.
Starcraft only ran at a 640x480. Just like warcraft 2. Blizzard didn't put out a game with 800x600 resolution until the Diablo2 expansion. Yeah, it could use some updating, but I'm sure Blizzard would sooner put the starcraft theme into a whole new engine.
This is a really good point. At least for snes games. They could have an entire library of mutli-player games ready to go at launch.
I've done the multi-player thing in zsnes as well, it worked great. It just has both clients displaying the same screen as though you had two controllers plugged in to one old console. It was on a LAN so not sure about bandwith, but p2p with a meet-up game server would really cool.
The needless additions where worse than the missing parts. Like all that nonsense about Aragorn falling over the edge of a cliff during a battle with worgs, being thought dead, and then returning. What the hell did they need that for??
Good point. I pretty impressed with the start of the warg scene, had forgotten how much I disliked that part.
I still think something better could have been done. Sure, it could have been alot worse as well, but also a lot better.
Absoluetly serveral parts could have been done better, but overall I still think it was very, very good.
What movies did you watch? Sure, there were some parts missing like the scouring of the shire, and some of the dialog was slighlty phantom-menace-esque("what does your heart tell you") but the extended editions of the movies were great.
I also read the books first, but the movies were... well movies. The books spent a whole lot less time on the battle sequences than the movies did. Half of the Two Towers book was slow because it was solely based on Sam & Frodo's journey whereas movies went back and forth between the plotlines.
I wouldn't want anyone other than Peter Jackson to direct it. Imagine some hack creating a live-action version of the Rankin/Bass atrocities.
Holm would do fine as the Ring had caused the aging process to slow. Gandalf was suprised at the beginning of Fellowship when he told Bilbo that he hadn't aged a day, so the stage is already set.
Also Elrond of Rivendell could still be done by Hugo Weaving.
If you could get Ian Holm, Hugo Weaving, Ian Mckellen, and Peter Jackson all together again, The Hobbit would have to be excellent. The battle of the 5 armies could be done just as well as Pellenor Fields or the Black Gate, maybe better as the CGI will have progressed through a few more years of technological enhancements.
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The farthest I'd go in the Web interface is use Flash (and only optional) to ease the pageflow pain. And I'd only do that because I've built ERP Apps before using flash and - believe it or not - they work pretty well on Linux, OS X and Windows. If you know what your doing. Which, sadly enough, only very few Flash devs actually do.
Just curious, What type of functionality do you get using flash that couldn't be handled using AJAX?
I just wish they would truly support a Linux client for their business apps.
A good part of the front end is in HTML, but the other parts are written in Java and launching the apps tries to launch their own godawful JVM called Jinitiator which doesn't have a Linux version.
There is an unsupported workaround for Linux: Spoof your browser USER-AGENT to OSX safari, and the apps will just use a Sun JVM.
For Linux to really succeed in business
Why do people so often preface Linux questions with things like that? "For Linux to really succeed in business" "For linux to succeed on the desktop".
Linux is succeeding in many aspects. Success doesn't have to mean 90% of the market share.
Anyway, that pet peeve aside. Take a look at compiere. Only drawback that I see is that it requires a non-free database to run on top of.
Completely agree with the suckiness of Cisco's proprietary VPN solution. Been using it for years. Not sure why I never came across vpnc.
:)
Thanks for the link. Turns out it's even in the fedora-extras repository. Learn something new everyday
Does this include the VPN client?
The last linux release from cisco's site is a year old and the kernel module doesn't compile against the 2.6.19 kernel. Just to get it to compile against 2.6.18 you had to fake a config.h in your kernel source include folder.
So you're telling me the Unreal 3 engine is purely eye candy upgrades?
When Epic went from Unreal 1 to Unreal 2 they introduced things like ragdoll physics, scripting enhancements, and vehicles, none of which were dependant on raw GPU performance.
I can't imagine Epic would be happy with a whole new game engine to simply put out better graphics.
>>All they would know is "Unreal sucks" if they saw it on the Wii.
How so? They would be comparing Unreal to other games on the Wii, not Unreal on the Wii compared to a different game on another console.
Unreal Tournament & Unreal Tournament 2004 were excellent FPS games. You can take the original on an old PC, turn the graphic settings down, and guess what? It's still loads of fun. (Facing Worlds + Low Grav, FTW!)
Personally, as much as I love Epic, this smells a bit of a copout. They could take their latest and greatest Unreal Engine3, lower the textures and poly count, and I bet it would run fine on the Wii. The problem is that you can't just port it to the Wii without putting a bunch of work into making control with the Wiimote more than just a novelty.
It could be that easy if the mythtv package that the yum repo is calling had a post install script to do those setups. Or the package included an interactive configuration script or GUI that you can run post install.
Not sure that it doesn't already, but I'll know as soon as I get my tv tuner card.
Creating a seperate distro seems like overkill when it could just as easily be a well maintained repository for a popular distribution like fedora or ubuntu.
The catch with the open source solution is: you have to know that mysqlcc, mysql-administrator, mysql-query-browser, and phpMyAdmin exist,
How is that different than oracle? Oracle provides several different front ends that you don't seem to know about.
That said, I love mysql. I just wish that the developers would add sequences. Sequences are not a very complex construct, but they are extremely useful. Oracle and postgres have them (I can't speak for sql server as I have no interest in ever running windows servers)
Mod parent way up. Couldn't agree more. The game is 25 years old, but it's the first game that came to mind after reading the topic.
Me and my buddies spent hours on this game.
The graphics were definetly 80's, and gameply was so incredibly simple, but it was perfect.
Here's the wikipedia page about the game.
Anyone know of a tcp/ip multiplayer updated version?
I followed that soap opera on the redhat dev list. I won't name names, but the FC5 graphics were referred to as "teletubbie vomit". There was also a long drawn out discussion about the inclusion of things like proprietary audio and video codecs.
I'm not sure if the ability to download from repos like livna from the installer now are a result of those discussions.
And from what I've seen on here and digg, the main instigator is interested in Linspire now. A shame, because his complaining, as untactful as it may have been, may have actually helped the situation.
Does anyone actually prefer rpm to apt?
Don't you mean yum to apt? Or rpm to deb ?
After using both it seems kinda 6 of one, half a dozen of the other to me.
Yum does an update before upgrading packages, while apt needs to have update called first. Some times I prefer the former behaviour(make sure I'm getting the latest), sometimes the latter(just give me the package that I've already got meta-data on).
The differences though seem to be small enough these days that it doesn't really matter as long as you have good repositories to get packages from.
Are you suggesting that using Fedora requires you to write scripts and compile kernel modules?
I call bullshit.
Ajax only breaks the back button when it us use for a site's navigation.
This is just as bad as when someone develops a site entirely in flash.
Sure the technology can be misused, but the fact that some people misuse it, doesn't make it a bad technology.
Oracle still doesn't support linux on the client side worth a shit.
As of the 11.5.10 ERP applications, Linux as client still isn't supported. It works for the most part if you spoof your USER-AGENT as OSX safari and use the Sun JVM for applet plugin support.
The death of jinitiator on the client is waaaay overdue. Their isn't anything that the apps are doing that necessitates a custom JVM. Heck, most of what the apps do can be handled with AJAX.
everything Sony has gotten wrong (supply, timing, innovation, buzz)
You missed pricing. The number one reason I'll likely be getting my kid the new Nintendo instead.
Probably true, not to mention the characters that are need to be in the Hobbit are really old even in Hobbit anyways.
Still I was upset PJ even spent time on king kong. If MGM & New Line did indeed get the green light to make The Hobbit, then it should be top priority.
Please don't work on the Halo thing until after The Hobbit.
Your actors aren't getting any younger.
Yeah, I think tcp/ip LAN play was added on the 1.10 patch. The older protocol might not have been bound to your wireless NIC.
this 800x600 stuff is really making my eyes hurt with all the new fancy graphics in other games.
Starcraft only ran at a 640x480. Just like warcraft 2. Blizzard didn't put out a game with 800x600 resolution until the Diablo2 expansion.
Yeah, it could use some updating, but I'm sure Blizzard would sooner put the starcraft theme into a whole new engine.
This is a really good point.
At least for snes games. They could have an entire library of mutli-player games ready to go at launch.
I've done the multi-player thing in zsnes as well, it worked great. It just has both clients displaying the same screen as though you had two controllers plugged in to one old console. It was on a LAN so not sure about bandwith, but p2p with a meet-up game server would really cool.
The needless additions where worse than the missing parts. Like all that nonsense about Aragorn falling over the edge of a cliff during a battle with worgs, being thought dead, and then returning. What the hell did they need that for??
Good point. I pretty impressed with the start of the warg scene, had forgotten how much I disliked that part.
I still think something better could have been done. Sure, it could have been alot worse as well, but also a lot better.
Absoluetly serveral parts could have been done better, but overall I still think it was very, very good.
What movies did you watch?
Sure, there were some parts missing like the scouring of the shire, and some of the dialog was slighlty phantom-menace-esque("what does your heart tell you") but the extended editions of the movies were great.
I also read the books first, but the movies were... well movies.
The books spent a whole lot less time on the battle sequences than the movies did. Half of the Two Towers book was slow because it was solely based on Sam & Frodo's journey whereas movies went back and forth between the plotlines.
I wouldn't want anyone other than Peter Jackson to direct it. Imagine some hack creating a live-action version of the Rankin/Bass atrocities.
Holm would do fine as the Ring had caused the aging process to slow. Gandalf was suprised at the beginning of Fellowship when he told Bilbo that he hadn't aged a day, so the stage is already set.
Also Elrond of Rivendell could still be done by Hugo Weaving.
If you could get Ian Holm, Hugo Weaving, Ian Mckellen, and Peter Jackson all together again, The Hobbit would have to be excellent.
The battle of the 5 armies could be done just as well as Pellenor Fields or the Black Gate, maybe better as the CGI will have progressed through a few more years of technological enhancements.
I'm psyched.
Old portals had working back buttons.
Pageflakes sucks because of the oh-so-clever ajax naviagation.
No better than building the whole thing in flash or a java applet.