You make a good point, but I think Moore's Law my end for a different reason. This reason is: money. The cause: average consumers will soon get to the point where they don't NEED a faster processor.
This will happen because the tasks average Joe uses a computer for have an upper limit to the amount of resources they can benefit from. Sure, there will always be things like rendering high resolution computer animations, cracking encryptions (forming encryptions), and crunching numbers (SETI), but these uses don't have the economical force that is behind processor development today.
Therefore, average consumer demand for higher performance processors will die off, and consequently research & development for faster processors will die off, causing the end of Moore's Law.
Of course, I could be way off and perhaps the software us average Joes use can find a useful way to use more power (lots and lots of bloat?). Perhaps in a decade or so I'll be quoted as an idiot:-) I mean, why not, it happens to me now!
Do you know why they always put 0 for prices? Or are they saying free? I feel I am missing something here. Thanks for the link though, I can definitely relate to most of these guys:)
I can't believe no one has mentioned using this technology for internet access as you parade around the country in your SUV. This will be highly demanded........
How much is this really going to stop piracy, though? Sure, there are ways to capture streaming music to a file, but A) most people don't know how to do that and B) most people don't want to do that. Since most people that pirate music also burn said music, I don't see how this will help all that much. I'm sure it might stop some, but most will see it as supplemental.
5) That forgotten god from American Gods - by Torinaga-Sama Okay, this has been driving my wife and I CRAZY. The god in Ameican Gods that you can't remember after you talk to him. Was that modeled after an existing god or did you make that up yourself? I believe you even stumped the internet on that one.
Neil: You'll have to remind me which character you're talking about.
Odd, I thought I remembered everyone in there. Ah well. Memory's a funny thing...
Let's say their goal is to remove the old system. Should they do that RIGHT now? Could they? More likely, this would be their first step. I have no idea what Apple's intentions are, but I do know they want to stay in business. They couldn't do that if they tried to change everything off the bat (no one would support them, customers or artists).
Yeah this guy was stupid. He acts like he is uncovering some conspiracy when all he is doing is talking about stuff he shouldn't. Of course they need Macs, how else will they develop software for them? Maybe it's to test Halo (ha). More likely it's for their next version of VPC (the one where they change something other than the logo)
So Apple should not sell music from the big 5 because they want to support indie music and strike down the RIAA. They don't care about name recognition, money, or selling iPods. This is all about you and your hatred for the RIAA. Seriously, they let indie music labels use iTMS. I think you are asking a bit much.
The iTunes executable is nearly 8 megabytes. I can't imagine that this does anything to help the ~6 second load times for iTunes that I experienced on my system (which has 768MB of DDR233 RAM, and an Athlon XP 1800+, FYI.) In comparison, Winamp loads in under a second.
Strange..which winamp are you speaking of? My computer loads iTunes near instantly, and Winamp3 takes a few seconds. AMD2600+XP.
I think the slow-down in iTunes is indeed due to their brushed-metal port to Windows. I think they also *had* to do it, rather than going with the Windows GUI. Otherwise, it wouldn't be Apple/iTunes.
Well consider that they wanted performance bad enough to spend $5 billion dollars to get it. Also, they are going to use these machines in the lab, where they would normally have to buy new computers. So basically, they are getting a new supercomputer instead of new lab machines.
Used to be they laughed at Macs over yonder. I wonder if this is an indication of changing perspectives. I admit I don't keep up with Japan's current events, so maybe this isn't such a new perspective after all.
Yeah, when I buy a car I fully expect to be able to drive it at 140MPH through my neighborhood. If the car can do it, and I bought the car, I should be able to do it.
When I buy a rifle, I expect to be able to shoot signs, lights, perhaps annoying sales people. The gun is very capable of doing said things, it would be wrong not to let me.
I bought a computer and I deserve the right to hack into online banks because I can do it, with this computer, that I bought..
When I purchase music I should be able to burn as many copies as I want, give them to my friends, host the files on streaming radio and shoot people with my rifle while driving my car through their neighborhood and hacking their bank account with my laptop.
If you took this post seriously, give me your credit card number so I can donate some money to your incredible genius.
They can run Linux, BSD, etc. too, but those aren't Mac OS X:) I think a lot of PC bulls are going to have trouble with these G5s. It's been awhile since Macs were number 1. Back then, Macs were stupid, you could only play games with them, they weren't for real work. It's funny.
1. bochs is definitely not new, been around for at least two years (maybe more)
2. a port of wine would do nearly no good as it is just a wrapper for Windows API calls. it doesn't have to interpret IA-32 code because it's designed to run on x86 processors.
I haven't heard of qemu, no idea what it is, so I'm checking it out now. Perhaps a combination of a IA-32 emulator and wine would be ok, but adding levels to emulation like that is just asking for slow-down.
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You make a good point, but I think Moore's Law my end for a different reason. This reason is: money. The cause: average consumers will soon get to the point where they don't NEED a faster processor.
:-) I mean, why not, it happens to me now!
This will happen because the tasks average Joe uses a computer for have an upper limit to the amount of resources they can benefit from. Sure, there will always be things like rendering high resolution computer animations, cracking encryptions (forming encryptions), and crunching numbers (SETI), but these uses don't have the economical force that is behind processor development today.
Therefore, average consumer demand for higher performance processors will die off, and consequently research & development for faster processors will die off, causing the end of Moore's Law.
Of course, I could be way off and perhaps the software us average Joes use can find a useful way to use more power (lots and lots of bloat?). Perhaps in a decade or so I'll be quoted as an idiot
Do you know why they always put 0 for prices? Or are they saying free? I feel I am missing something here. Thanks for the link though, I can definitely relate to most of these guys :)
No no no, let's not be rash. SCO is a friend of his not vice-a-versa.. Burn him!
WVG and is 90% identical to SVG
isn't 2/3 about 67%? I want to see the math behind this 90% FUD. Three letters...one different...two the same...2/3. Come on now.
I can't believe no one has mentioned using this technology for internet access as you parade around the country in your SUV. This will be highly demanded........
How much is this really going to stop piracy, though? Sure, there are ways to capture streaming music to a file, but A) most people don't know how to do that and B) most people don't want to do that. Since most people that pirate music also burn said music, I don't see how this will help all that much. I'm sure it might stop some, but most will see it as supplemental.
5) That forgotten god from American Gods - by Torinaga-Sama
Okay, this has been driving my wife and I CRAZY. The god in Ameican Gods that you can't remember after you talk to him. Was that modeled after an existing god or did you make that up yourself?
I believe you even stumped the internet on that one.
Neil:
You'll have to remind me which character you're talking about.
Odd, I thought I remembered everyone in there. Ah well. Memory's a funny thing...
That is some funny shit. hahahahahaha
Let's say their goal is to remove the old system. Should they do that RIGHT now? Could they? More likely, this would be their first step. I have no idea what Apple's intentions are, but I do know they want to stay in business. They couldn't do that if they tried to change everything off the bat (no one would support them, customers or artists).
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Yeah this guy was stupid. He acts like he is uncovering some conspiracy when all he is doing is talking about stuff he shouldn't. Of course they need Macs, how else will they develop software for them? Maybe it's to test Halo (ha). More likely it's for their next version of VPC (the one where they change something other than the logo)
So Apple should not sell music from the big 5 because they want to support indie music and strike down the RIAA. They don't care about name recognition, money, or selling iPods. This is all about you and your hatred for the RIAA. Seriously, they let indie music labels use iTMS. I think you are asking a bit much.
The iTunes executable is nearly 8 megabytes. I can't imagine that this does anything to help the ~6 second load times for iTunes that I experienced on my system (which has 768MB of DDR233 RAM, and an Athlon XP 1800+, FYI.) In comparison, Winamp loads in under a second.
Strange..which winamp are you speaking of? My computer loads iTunes near instantly, and Winamp3 takes a few seconds. AMD2600+XP.
I think the slow-down in iTunes is indeed due to their brushed-metal port to Windows. I think they also *had* to do it, rather than going with the Windows GUI. Otherwise, it wouldn't be Apple/iTunes.
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Well consider that they wanted performance bad enough to spend $5 billion dollars to get it. Also, they are going to use these machines in the lab, where they would normally have to buy new computers. So basically, they are getting a new supercomputer instead of new lab machines.
The G5 is clocked at 2Ghz, the Xeon at 2.4Ghz. How is the G5 faster clockwise?
powerbook g5 possibility? mwhahaha! everything is falling into place as planned..
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I wish I had enough RAM to use as a harddisk. Then I could...well no, I wouldn't do anything useful. It would be cool, in a geeky way.
apparently you took the post seriously :) lol
Used to be they laughed at Macs over yonder. I wonder if this is an indication of changing perspectives. I admit I don't keep up with Japan's current events, so maybe this isn't such a new perspective after all.
Yeah, when I buy a car I fully expect to be able to drive it at 140MPH through my neighborhood. If the car can do it, and I bought the car, I should be able to do it.
When I buy a rifle, I expect to be able to shoot signs, lights, perhaps annoying sales people. The gun is very capable of doing said things, it would be wrong not to let me.
I bought a computer and I deserve the right to hack into online banks because I can do it, with this computer, that I bought..
When I purchase music I should be able to burn as many copies as I want, give them to my friends, host the files on streaming radio and shoot people with my rifle while driving my car through their neighborhood and hacking their bank account with my laptop.
If you took this post seriously, give me your credit card number so I can donate some money to your incredible genius.
The article talks of a standalone installer available at apple.com/swupdates (or some-such link), but it is not listed on there. Anyone?
They can run Linux, BSD, etc. too, but those aren't Mac OS X :) I think a lot of PC bulls are going to have trouble with these G5s. It's been awhile since Macs were number 1. Back then, Macs were stupid, you could only play games with them, they weren't for real work. It's funny.
1. bochs is definitely not new, been around for at least two years (maybe more) 2. a port of wine would do nearly no good as it is just a wrapper for Windows API calls. it doesn't have to interpret IA-32 code because it's designed to run on x86 processors. I haven't heard of qemu, no idea what it is, so I'm checking it out now. Perhaps a combination of a IA-32 emulator and wine would be ok, but adding levels to emulation like that is just asking for slow-down.
I fear the boyscouts of america. Eep.
Hey, that's actually pretty funny. :)
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